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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
  5 (20.0%)
Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #6025 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 1:04pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 14th, 2009 at 4:42pm:
Sorry I've been gone a few days. Vacation in the Poconos. I counted three Obama= Socialism (or sayings to that effect) stickers while on the road! A good sign! What did I miss? Is Obama still sucking with teeth? No need to tell me I know the answer to that! Yes he is!


Is JC still the biggest pussy on this board? No need to tell me that either! Yes he is!


Riffy


PS-I've been gone so long that I just gotta say it,......Hey, JC go fuck yourself you little bitch!


Welcome back, Mr. Riffhard!  Hope you had a splendid vacation.  THREE bumperstickers!  MY! That IS
something to crow about! Were they all on one car?  Was it yours?

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Love your enemies and pray for
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nankerphelge wrote on Jul 10th, 2009 at 9:09am:
...your "slightly smarter" comments are a good example of the way you operate.



I apologize for this unfair characterization.  You're actually MUCH smarter.



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Reply #6026 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 2:11pm
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nankerphelge wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:07am:
I have never been on the "Obama is not a US born citizen" bandwagon.

But here is an interesting tidbit:

A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.

"We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"
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That is odd.
This suit was filed and now the Order is pulled?

Makes ya wonder...



CAUTION!!

The editorial staff at The Big Feed (http://www.thebigfeedblog.com/) ; don't take kindly to outlanders reprinting their exclusive original content.  To wit (sic) :

This guy at "Magic Negro Watch" literally copied and pasted my entire post from a few days ago about Obama forgetting where he met his wife. I mean word for word. Didn't even have the decency to link to the original post. Should I be flattered?


http://www.thebigfeedblog.com/2009/07/is-thievery-sincerest-form-of-flattery.htm...









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Mmmm.  I know that scent.  Camel cigarettes, old 78s and cat urine.  We had such good times back in the day.  That is, before you kicked me out of the club.  How have you been my friend?
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Mmmm.  I know that scent.  Camel cigarettes, old 78s and cat urine.  We had such good times back in the day.  That is, before you kicked me out of the club.  How have you been my friend?


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Reply #6029 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 3:57pm
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Mmmm.  I know that scent.  Camel cigarettes, old 78s and cat urine.  We had such good times back in the day.  That is, before you kicked me out of the club.  How have you been my friend?


weak.


You hate Jesus for his wit and intellect.  And his denim jacket.  And then there's that righteous indignation thing.  But other than that, he's cool.

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Reply #6030 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 3:58pm
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I find it pretty amusing that JC, and his happy little troll friend leonid, claim some kind of intellectual superiority. Especially so considering that they apparently support a man that has all but destroyed the free market economy and capitalist system that has created the most prosperous nation in the history of civilization. They support a man that believes that it's fair and just to take from one group of people and give to another group of people out of some sort of liberal definition of fairness. Yet these clowns have thus far refused to address any of the issues that I, and those like me, have raised with regards to the radical far left swing that Barry has wrought on this country. Have they successfully defended the 187 billion dollar stimulus package that hasn't done a damned thing to turn the economy around? Have they explained why the jobs losses are continuing unabated because of Obama's idiotic liberal policy? No. Have they made a solid argument for the unbelievably stupid idea of nationalized health care? No. All these cretins do is attack me because I have no problem calling them out for their drone like stupidity.


JC, you are not only the biggest pussy on this board (leonid is a very very close second btw), but you are also dumber than a sack of week old shit. Leonid is a very close second, btw.

You want an honest intellectual debate? I could give that to both of you morons in a New York second. I could discuss the issues in depth, and at great length. I just haven't the desire nor the patience to get into the details of Obama's assault on the US Constitution. I haven't the desire to get down in the mud with you idiots about his total disregard of federalism, and his blatant disregard of the 10th Amendment. I could school you two idiots, but I haven't the time to try and educate someone who brings zero intellectual honesty to any debate worth having.

Plus, I'd much rather just say-go fuck yourselves!


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Reply #6031 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 5:06pm
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Is that some kind of joke?

I can remember when you schooled me on why Obama's plan to increase spending to combat the economic crisis was the wrong direction. When I stated that FDR did exactly that, you schooled me on how it was the war that relieved the FDR economy, and not his budget spending. Remember that discussion? Remember when I asked you if it was the actual killing of human beings or the massive expense of the war that made the difference?

I got schooled alright. I learned you are only as current as what Rush told you that week.

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Reply #6032 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 5:12pm
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When it comes to the First Amendment, Team Obama believes in Global Chilling.

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Cass Sunstein, a Harvard Law professor who has been appointed to a shadowy post that will grant him powers that are merely mind-boggling, explicitly supports using the courts to impose a "chilling effect" on speech that might hurt someone's feelings. He thinks that the bloggers have been rampaging out of control and that new laws need to be written to corral them.

Advance copies of Sunstein's new book, "On Rumors: How Falsehoods Spread, Why We Believe Them, What Can Be Done," have gone out to reviewers ahead of its September publication date, but considering the prominence with which Sunstein is about to be endowed, his worrying views are fair game now. Sunstein is President Obama's choice to head the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. It's the bland titles that should scare you the most.

"Although obscure," reported the Wall Street Journal, "the post wields outsize power. It oversees regulations throughout the government, from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Obama aides have said the job will be crucial as the new administration overhauls financial-services regulations, attempts to pass universal health care and tries to forge a new approach to controlling emissions of greenhouse gases."

Sunstein was appointed, no doubt, off the success of "Nudge," his previous book, which suggests that government ought to gently force people to be better human beings.

Czar is too mild a world for what Sunstein is about to become. How about "regulator in chief"? How about "lawgiver"? He is Obama's Obama.

In "On Rumors," Sunstein reviews how views get cemented in one camp even when people are presented with persuasive evidence to the contrary. He worries that we are headed for a future in which "people's beliefs are a product of social networks working as echo chambers in which false rumors spread like wildfire." That future, though, is already here, according to Sunstein. "We hardly need to imagine a world, however, in which people and institutions are being harmed by the rapid spread of damaging falsehoods via the Internet," he writes. "We live in that world. What might be done to reduce the harm?"

Sunstein questions the current libel standard - which requires proving "actual malice" against those who write about public figures, including celebrities. Mere "negligence" isn't libelous, but Sunstein wonders, "Is it so important to provide breathing space for damaging falsehoods about entertainers?" Celeb rags, get ready to hire more lawyers.

Sunstein also believes that - whether you're a blogger, The New York Times or a Web hosting service - you should be held responsible even for what your commenters say. Currently you're immune under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. "Reasonable people," he says, "might object that this is not the right rule," though he admits that imposing liability for commenters on service providers would be "a considerable burden."

But who cares about a burden when insults are being bandied about? "A 'chilling effect' on those who would spread destructive falsehoods can be an excellent idea," he says.

"As we have seen," Sunstein writes, having shown us no such thing, "falsehoods can undermine democracy itself." What Sunstein means by that sentence is pretty clear: He doesn't like so-called false rumors about his longtime University of Chicago friend and colleague, Barack Obama.

He alludes on page 3 (and on page 13, and 14, and 45, and 54 - the book is only 87 pages) to the supposedly insidious lie that "Barack Obama pals around with terrorists." Since Sunstein intends to impose his Big Chill on such talk, I'd better get this in while I can. The "rumor," i.e., "fact," about the palsy-walsiness of Obama and unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers (Ayers referred to Obama as a "family friend" in a memoir) did not "undermine democracy," i.e., prevent Obama's election. The facts got out, voters weighed them and ruled that they weren't disqualifying.

Sunstein calls for a "notice and take down" law that would require bloggers and service providers to "take down falsehoods upon notice," even those made by commenters - but without apparent penalty.

Consider how well this nudge would work. You blog about Obama-Ayers. You get a letter claiming that your facts are wrong so you should remove your post. You refuse. If, after a court proceeding proves simply that you are wrong (but not that you committed libel, which when a public figure is the target is almost impossible), you lose, the penalty is . . . you must take down your post.

How long would it take for a court to sort out the truth? Sasha and Malia will be running for president by then. Nobody will care anymore. But it will give politicians the ability to tie up their online critics in court.

Sunstein, trying to fair, argues that libel awards should be capped at $15,000, or at least limited for anyone demonstrating financial hardship. But $15K is the limit you'd pay to your opponent. The legal bill is the scary part, and the reason bloggers already have plenty of reason to be careful about what they say, even if they don't much fear a libel conviction.

Sunstein dreams of an impossibly virtuous America: "We could also imagine a future in which those who spread false rumors are categorized as such, discounted and marginalized . . . people would approach rumors skeptically even they provide comfort and fit their own biases." But if his chilling wind doesn't work, Sunstein may try to make good on the implicit threat that runs through his book: that he would redefine libel as the spread of false information and hold everyone up the ladder responsible.

If this happened, the blogosphere would turn into Pluto overnight. Comments sections would slam shut. Every writer would work on a leash shorter than a shoelace.

Sunstein is an enemy to every news organization and blogger. We should return the favor and declare war on him.
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Reply #6033 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 5:29pm
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Saint Sway wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 12:20pm:
Nanky, keep in mind he's an excellent hoopster. A skilled athlete. But baseball isn't his game. That said, he did well.



and you're probably not the one who should be pointing out anyone's athletic short comings



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fuman wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 5:06pm:
Is that some kind of joke?


I got schooled alright. I learned you are only as current as what Rush told you that week.



I have brought that up before, the talking points are Rush and the AM right to the "t"...
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Reply #6035 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 6:27pm
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"and you're probably not the one who should be pointing out anyone's athletic short comings "

Did you see the throw Sway?
I mean, seriously, you dump on my abilities to say I didn't watch our Prez throw like a girl?
Try not to be such a douchebag.
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Reply #6036 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 6:33pm
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July 15 (Bloomberg) -- House Democrats plan to fund the broadest U.S. health-care expansion in four decades by increasing taxes on the wealthiest Americans, imposing a surtax of 5.4 percent on couples with more than $1 million in income.

The legislation unveiled yesterday would place additional taxes on households with more than $350,000 a year in income and calls for further increases if the measure doesn’t hit a target for cost savings. The provisions are intended to raise $544 billion over 10 years.

House leaders said the plan, which includes mandates to purchase coverage and a public health-insurance option, would cover 97 percent of Americans by 2019. President Barack Obama praised their work, saying it will “begin the process of fixing what’s broken” in the system.

“We can’t continue to put more and more money into health care,” said Representative Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who runs the House Energy and Commerce Committee. “We cannot go home for recess unless the House and the Senate pass bills to reform and restructure our health-care system.”
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We can't continue to more and more money into healthcare.
So what do they propose.
Putting more money into healthcare on the people's back.

Shame on Congress.
Even if nationalizing and beaurocritizing the best private health care system were a good idea, the plan put forth post haste by the Dems and with the full backing of Obama is a nightmare.

you made a grown man cry

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It's not the best health care system, It's the best medical treatment.

Our health care system is all about profit (most HMO's, but not all).
It is common to be dropped, if you're not in a large group of insured people.

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fuman wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 5:06pm:
Is that some kind of joke?

I can remember when you schooled me on why Obama's plan to increase spending to combat the economic crisis was the wrong direction. When I stated that FDR did exactly that, you schooled me on how it was the war that relieved the FDR economy, and not his budget spending. Remember that discussion? Remember when I asked you if it was the actual killing of human beings or the massive expense of the war that made the difference?

I got schooled alright. I learned you are only as current as what Rush told you that week.





I know how much libs like you love to try and belittle a point by claiming some crap about Rush's talking points, etc. However, as I have stated time and time again I rarely, if ever, listen to Rush Limbaugh. I do, however, read. I read a lot in fact. I would wager that I read more than any of our oh-so-intellectual types like JC and leonid combined. I don't think this to be true. I know it to be true.

It is this reason that I can say once again without having to resort to any right wing conservative radio host talking points that yes, The Great Depression was not ended by FDR's insane spending policies, but rather in spite of them. WWII was the catalyst to bring about the end of the depression.


This is a demonstrable fact, and I can prove it by using talking points from none other than  Henry Morgenthau Jr. — close friend, lunch companion, loyal secretary of the Treasury to President Franklin D. Roosevelt — and key architect of FDR’s New Deal.


“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”-Tresury Secretary Henry Morgenthau Jr.


If that doesn't work for you funman you may want to take a look at this graph. Please note that it uses US Census Bureau numbers so you just know it has to be accurate!


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I know that these facts may burst your little liberal bubble of a great benevolent government, but hey, sometimes reality sucks.

See funman, what you, and folks like JC, leonid, and other brainwashed drones never bother to do is to look at all sides of the debate. I do. In fact as I stated before, I read much more than you, leonid, and big JC would ever dream of reading. Why? Because I want to know of what I speak. You, and the aforementioned drones like you, on the other hand, just want to believe your own version of the facts. In other words, all you believe are.......wait for it......here it comes.......liberal talking points!


It's funny how liberals are always guilty of what they accuse others of doing! It is always that way. Be it racism, hypocrisy, etc. Liberals are always the ones that are truly guilty of these things. That's why race baiters like Sharpton, Jesse, and the like are always liberal. It also explains all the tax cheats in the Democrat Party, and in this administration in particular.




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The Democrats’ Selective Amnesia on Assassination

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Members of Congress have expressed outrage over the "secret" CIA assassination program that former vice president Dick Cheney allegedly ordered concealed from Congress. But this program — and the media descriptions of it — sounds a lot like the assassination policy implemented by President Bill Clinton, particularly during his second term in office.

Partisan politics often require selective amnesia. Over the past decade, we have seen this amnesia take hold when it comes to many of President Bush’s most vile policies. And we are now seeing a pretty severe case overtake several leading Democrats. It makes for good speechifying to act as though all criminality began with Bush and — particularly these days — Cheney, but that is extreme intellectual dishonesty. The fact is that many of Bush’s worst policies (now being highlighted by leading Democrats) were based in some form or another in a Clinton-initiated policy or were supported by the Democrats in Congress with their votes. To name a few: the USA PATRIOT Act, the invasion of Iraq, the attack against Afghanistan, the CIA’s extraordinary rendition program, the widespread use of mercenaries and other private contractors in US war zones and warrant-less wire-tapping.

Regarding the Bush-era assassination program, there is great reason to be skeptical that the program CIA Director Leon Panetta alleges was concealed from Congress is actually the program the public is currently being led to believe it is. Why would the CIA need to conceal a program that never was implemented and, if it never was implemented, why did Panetta need to shut it down? Moreover, who was running this inactive program from the minute Obama was sworn in until June 24 when Panetta supposedly announced its cancellation? This program — as it is currently being described — should hardly be a major scandal to members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, as some are now treating it. As they well know, President Obama has continued the Bush targeted assassination program using weaponized drones and special forces teams hunting "high value targets." As former CIA Counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro and others have pointed out, "The CIA runs drones and targets al-Qaeda safe houses all the time." Cannistraro told Talking Points Memo that there is no important difference between those kinds of attacks and "assassinations" with a gun or a knife.

Now, if it turns out that the actual plan Cheney allegedly concealed is something other than what has been publicly described, that will be a different matter. For instance, if the CIA had a secret post-9/11 program planning assassinations on US soil or of US citizens and it was ordered concealed by Cheney. Or, if it was a plan to target in other ways "enemies of the state" within the U.S. as Seymour Hersh has suggested: "The Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state," Hersh said in March. "Without any legal authority for it. They haven’t been called on it yet. That does happen."

Let’s look at the program the Democrats claim was kept secret. The Bush administration reportedly authorized the CIA to use small paramilitary teams to hunt down and assassinate "al-Qaeda" leaders around the world. It is currently being reported that this plan was never implemented and was born after 9/11. Both of these assertions are very, very doubtful.

The plan, as currently described in the press and by Democrats, is one that continues to exist under the Obama administration right now. In fact, this program has been part of official U.S. policy — under Democratic and Republican administrations — for decades.

By way of background, there is technically a U.S. ban on assassination that dates back to President Ford in 1976. "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination," states Executive Order 11905. That was then updated by President Carter who dropped the term "political" simply prohibiting "assassination." The current Executive Order, 12333, was signed by president Reagan in 1981 and has remained on the books through every administration since. What is brutally ironic about Reagan signing this ban was that he authorized repeated assassinations, notably the 1986 attempt on Col. Moammar Gadhafi, which failed to kill Gadhafi but instead killed his infant daughter. But in that brutal apparent contradiction is the truth: the U.S. does not have a ban on assassinations as long as government lawyers can figure out some legal acrobats for the president to use in sidelining the ban. Every president from Reagan to Obama has reserved the right to assassinate "terrorists" by claiming it as a military operation or a preemptive strike.

It is pretty clear that when the Bush administration took over, it picked up the Clinton administration’s policy on assassination and ran with it — albeit with more of a missionary zeal for killing and a removal of some of the layers of lawyering. In short, the Bush team expanded and streamlined the longstanding U.S. government assassination program.

Throughout the 1990s, the question of covert assassinations was a source of major discussion within the Clinton White House and it is clear assassinations were attempted with presidential approval. Newsweek magazine reported on how, in 1995, U.S. Special Forces facilitated the assassination of a Libyan "terrorist" in Bosnia, saying, "American authorities justified the assassination under a little-known 1993 ‘lethal finding’ signed by President Bill Clinton that gave permission to target terrorists." A former senior Clinton official speaking shortly after 9/11 called on the Bush administration not to escalate the U.S. assassination program, saying "We have a war on drugs, too, but we don’t kill drug lords." But then, with no apparent sense of contradiction, the official added, "we have proxies who do."

Clinton-era officials’ attempt to hide behind "proxies" is a stunning trampling of the assassination ban as it currently exists. Not only does it ban U.S. government personnel from engaging in or conspiring to engage in "assassination," it also bans "Indirect Participation," stating: "No agency of the Intelligence Community shall participate in or request any person to undertake activities forbidden by this Order."

The truth is, under Clinton, it wasn’t just proxies authorized to do the assassinations.

The Clinton White House worked for years with the CIA to craft an assassination policy — specifically relating to "al-Qaeda" in general and Osama bin Laden and his top deputies specifically. CIA operatives like Billy Waugh complained in the early and middle years of the Clinton presidencies that they were lawyered to death by Clinton’s attorneys in their attempts to get the green light to kill bin Laden in Sudan. "[I]n the early 1990s we were forced to adhere to the sanctimonious legal counsel and the do-gooders," recalled Waugh. Among Waugh’s rejected ideas was an alleged plot to kill bin Laden in Khartoum, Sudan and dump his body at the Iranian Embassy in an effort to pin the blame on Tehran. Eventually, however, Clinton did authorize what amounted to assassination squads to hunt down and kill bin Laden and other "al-Qaeda leaders." That happened officially in 1998 with Clinton’s signing of a Memorandum of Notification authorizing the CIA to carry out covert assassinations. George W. Bush was not the president and Dick Cheney was not the vice president. Of course, current CIA Director Leon Panetta was Clinton’s chief of staff from 1994 to 1997 and would have been party to years worth of discussion on this issue when Clinton was president.

Under Clinton, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel issued secret rulings stating that the Ford/Reagan ban on assassinations did not apply to "military targets" or "to attacks carried out in preemptive self-defense," according to Steve Coll, Pulitzer-Prize winning author of Ghost Wars.

Shortly after 9/11, Clinton stated this position publicly, supporting the Bush administration’s "war on terror" targeted assassination policy, saying on NBC News, "The ban that was put in effect under President Ford only applies to heads of state. It doesn’t apply to terrorists." That is a stunning statement that is a true legal stretch given the explicit language of the ban. Moreover, Clinton did, in fact, try to kill a head of state on April 22, 1999, when he ordered a NATO airstrike on the home of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. Clinton and Gen. Wesley Clark also authorized an assassination attempt on Serbian Information Minister, Aleksander Vucic, bombing Radio Television Serbia when Vucic was scheduled to appear via satellite on CNN’s "Larry King Live." Vucic was not killed, but 16 media workers were.

Clinton also publicly acknowledged his own administration’s attempt to assassinate bin Laden. "I worked hard to try to kill him," Clinton said. "I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since." Clinton’s National Security Advisor Sandy Berger said after Clinton issued his 1998 "lethal finding," U.S. operatives worked with Afghan rebels for two years in an attempt to kill bin Laden. "There were a few points when the pulse quickened, when we thought we were close," Berger later recalled. Among the alleged attempts on bin Laden’s life taken by Clinton was the 1998 bombing of Afghanistan (which was coupled with a massive strike on the Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan).

As Coll observed of the Clinton policy: "Clinton had demonstrated his willingness to kill bin Laden, without any pretense of seeking his arrest."

After 9/11, the CIA, which had been frustrated by some of the hurdles to assassination posed by the Clinton administration’s legal team, now had the conditions and the commander-in-chief it needed to take its assassination program to the next level. The main operations were run out of the CIA’s Counter-Terrorism Center (CTC) headed by J. Cofer Black, who had served as Clinton’s CIA station chief in Sudan when bin Laden was there in the 1990s. After 9/11, Black’s division at the CIA was authorized by President Bush — with the consent of Congress — to hunt down bin Laden and others alleged to be responsible for 9/11. As I describe in my book, Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army:

Before the core CIA team, Jawbreaker, deployed [to Afghanistan] on September 27, 2001, Black gave his men direct and macabre directions. "Gentlemen, I want to give you your marching orders, and I want to make them very clear. I have discussed this with the President, and he is in full agreement," Black told covert CIA operative Gary Schroen. "I don’t want bin Laden and his thugs captured, I want them dead… . They must be killed. I want to see photos of their heads on pikes. I want bin Laden’s head shipped back in a box filled with dry ice. I want to be able to show bin Laden’s head to the President. I promised him I would do that." Schroen said it was the first time in his thirty-year career he had been ordered to assassinate an adversary rather than attempting a capture. Black asked if he had made himself clear. "Perfectly clear, Cofer," Schroen told him. "I don’t know where we’ll find dry ice out there in Afghanistan, but I think we can certainly manufacture pikes in the field." Black later explained why this would be necessary. "You’d need some DNA," Black said. "There’s a good way to do it. Take a machete, and whack off his head, and you’ll get a bucketful of DNA, so you can see it and test it. It beats lugging the whole body back!"

The actions of the teams run by Cofer Black were certainly known to Congress. In fact, Black himself testified in front of Congress in 2002 about what he called the new "operational flexibility" being employed in the "war on terror." "This is a very highly classified area, but I have to say that all you need to know: There was a before 9/11, and there was an after 9/11," Black said. "After 9/11 the gloves come off." By 2004, Black claimed that "over 70 percent" of al-Qaeda’s leadership had been arrested, detained, or killed, and "more than 3,400 of their operatives and supporters have also been detained and put out of an action." The existence of this program is not secret. It has been documented in books by former CIA operatives, is discussed in public speeches by former officials and is reflected extensively in the Congressional record.

Obviously, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees should investigate the assassination policy under the Bush administration. Cheney’s role is central to that. Prosecutors should also be authorized to do the same. If there is a nefarious program that the public is unaware of and was unlawfully concealed, it should be brought out into the light. But, the truth is that a real investigation — one that actually seeks to get to the broader truths of these matters — would require investigating the current assassination program under Obama and the roots of the program that preceded the day when George W. Bush took power. That means looking at the Clinton White House and further back. It means looking at both Democratic and Republican assassination teams. The sad fact is that nobody on Capitol Hill has demonstrated in any way that they have the political courage to do that.
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"It's not the best health care system"

Yes it is the best health care system.
There is a system in place that is responsible for providing most people in this country with affordable health care.
You libs want to paint the picture that there is no system so you can "make" one.
But the one we have, with some adjustments, is fine.

No need to federalize and nationalize health care.
Look at Medicaid -- it is a disaster.
Look at Medicare - disaster.

Why do you think that Obama will make a system that works.
His stimulus hasn't worked.
And his Crap and Tirade bill is still being read!

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sometimes I just go through and read the smaller posts.
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Here ya go...
PHOENIX -- A Social Security Administration motivational management conference held at a high-end Valley resort last week cost $700,000, the SSA told the ABC15 Investigators.

Costs for the conference at the Arizona Biltmore Resort & Spa included airfare, hotel entertainment, dancers, motivational speakers, and food, an administration official said.
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nankerphelge wrote on Jul 16th, 2009 at 8:07am:
Costs for the conference at the Arizona Biltmore Resort & Spa included airfare, hotel entertainment, dancers, motivational speakers, and food, an administration official said.


I wonder who they hired for motivational speakers....Johnny Rocco?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACTkVM6t_bo&feature=related
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I apologize for this unfair characterization.  You're actually MUCH smarter.



Mmmm.  I know that scent.  Camel cigarettes, old 78s and cat urine.  We had such good times back in the day.  That is, before you kicked me out of the club.  How have you been my friend?


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nankerphelge wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 6:27pm:
"and you're probably not the one who should be pointing out anyone's athletic short comings "

Did you see the throw Sway?
I mean, seriously, you dump on my abilities to say I didn't watch our Prez throw like a girl?
Try not to be such a douchebag.


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100% agreed, my friend Mr. Nankerphelge. Not only does the President "throw like a girl", (and really, is there ANYTHING worse than girls? Yuck!) he appeared to be wearing her jeans too.

And did you notice that the camera angle was carefully chosen so as NOT to show the shortness of the pitch??? G-d d-mned MSM!!!  The Network is IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA!!!

Oh..wait...it was on Fox...

Well, did you notice that Obama is a LEFTIE????  Hmmmm???


Of course, in this particular realm of "Who Cares?" lame-ass criticisms,  the fact that President Obama seems to be the best athlete we've ever had in the Oval Office when he's on on the basketball court cannot be mentioned, or at least I would  assume not.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rdy-6Wk08


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I'm sure it's a strawman or a hiccup or some other infraction of the official GOP Big Book of Postin' Rules and Regs.



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"Of course, in this particular realm of "Who Cares?" lame-ass criticisms"

So now, in addition to being King of the Strawmen arguments, you are also the self-proclaimed "decider" of what people care about.

How positively condescending of you Jon..I mean Jesus!

You throw like a girl too!
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Reply #6047 - Jul 16th, 2009 at 1:31pm
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Nanky,

Is it true that halfway thru your last post you got winded and had to take a knee??
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Sway,

No, that isn't true.

Thanks for your concern tho.

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ah, the phalangists continue to foam at their mouth and declare their hatred of Jesus....sweet....
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