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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #5775 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:26am
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467K jobs cut in June; jobless rate at 9.5 percent



Is that font large enough for you guys? Does that font drive the point home?




Well it ought to wake you up. This is all Obama's economy folks. You can try the Bush hiccups all day long, but that shit just don't wash anymore.

This is pure economic illiteracy at work here.


Oh, and then there's this from the first paragraph of the linked article,(in case some here would prefer not to actually read anything critical of this idiot president)


"Employers cut a larger-than-expected 467,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate climbed to a 26-year high of 9.5 percent. Workers also saw weekly wages fall, suggesting Americans will have little appetite to spend and the economy's road to recovery will be bumpy."


He sucks! You voted for him. Good job!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy


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Reply #5776 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am
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The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!


I don't know about you drones, but I am struggling to find any transparency at all with this propagandist. It's as if Goebbels was running the show for fucks sake.


Aren't you drones even beginning to see what is happening before your very eyes? Are you so committed to this man that you will willingly turn a blind eye to this blatantly insane manipulation of the media and, more importantly, manipulation of the populace?


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090701/capt.9053461c979843a896dcbdbb0a5ed02e.aptopix_...


"The president called randomly on three audience members. All turned out to be members of groups with close ties to his administration: the Service Employees International Union, Health Care for America Now, and Organizing for America, which is a part of the Democratic National Committee. White House officials said that was a coincidence."


A coincidence. Yeah that's the ticket!



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Reply #5777 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:45am
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The Bush Hangover is a mutha!
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Reply #5778 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?
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Reply #5779 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:50am
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Zack wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?  


That's not the point Zack.
The point is that Obama is nothing new. It's more of the same garbage.
So the whole "He is a 'Messiah' and represents real change" is a complete lie.
It always was, imho.

THAT's what angers me.
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Reply #5780 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:50am
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:26am:
467K jobs cut in June; jobless rate at 9.5 percent



Is that font large enough for you guys? Does that font drive the point home?




Well it ought to wake you up. This is all Obama's economy folks. You can try the Bush hiccups all day long, but that shit just don't wash anymore.

This is pure economic illiteracy at work here.


Oh, and then there's this from the first paragraph of the linked article,(in case some here would prefer not to actually read anything critical of this idiot president)


"Employers cut a larger-than-expected 467,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate climbed to a 26-year high of 9.5 percent. Workers also saw weekly wages fall, suggesting Americans will have little appetite to spend and the economy's road to recovery will be bumpy."


He sucks! You voted for him. Good job!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy


Riffy


Can you just expalin to me again, how Bush wasn't responsible for the recssion he inheireted but Obama is for this one?
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Reply #5781 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:52am
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Zack wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?  



Not only is this trend old, it's not just who they pick, but who they don't even let in... let's be real... partisan crap is not only hysterical.. it is border line delusional for the past 10 years.
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Reply #5782 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:52am
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we are turning the corner babies!
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Reply #5783 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:57am
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LadyJane wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:50am:
Zack wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?  


That's not the point Zack.
The point is that Obama is nothing new. It's more of the same garbage.
So the whole "He is a 'Messiah' and represents real change" is a complete lie.
It always was, imho.

THAT's what angers me.
LJ.


the messiah thing is hoisted by the otherside, its a label they created and say over and over, thus making them think it is now true. I do not see it... you say it enough. Change, new, whatever... this is an ongoing poltical theme and false all around... we got a young black liberal president, that's the only change... we've hadtwo before, he was just the first black dude.
Don't believe the hype...
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Reply #5784 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 11:11am
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Pdog wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:57am:
LadyJane wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:50am:
Zack wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?  


That's not the point Zack.
The point is that Obama is nothing new. It's more of the same garbage.
So the whole "He is a 'Messiah' and represents real change" is a complete lie.
It always was, imho.

THAT's what angers me.
LJ.


the messiah thing is hoisted by the otherside, its a label they created and say over and over, thus making them think it is now true. I do not see it... you say it enough. Change, new, whatever... this is an ongoing poltical theme and false all around... we got a young black liberal president, that's the only change... we've hadtwo before, he was just the first black dude.
Don't believe the hype...


I never did believe the hype!
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Same as the old Boss"

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Iraq: A Bitter Strategic Failure

By Robert Parry
July 1, 2009
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President Barack Obama and Iraqi leaders may try to sugarcoat the bitter pill for the United States by talking up the achievements of the six-year occupation, but the public celebrations by Iraqis marking the American pullout from Iraq’s cities tell the painful story of a U.S. strategic failure.

Essentially, the Iraqis are serenading the American withdrawal with an Arabic version of “Na-na-nah-na, na-na-nah-na, hey, hey, hey, goodbye.”

Yes, it’s true that 130,000 U.S. troops remain in Iraq, many shifted only miles to heavily fortified bases on the cities’ outskirts, but the withdrawal from the cities – which Obama promises will be followed by a pullout of all combat troops by next August – has the distinct feel of an end game.

Those scenes of joyous Iraqis also represent another blow to the grandiose neoconservative scheme that sought to use sophisticated U.S. military power to tame the Middle Eastern countries that were regarded as hostile to Israel.

The U.S. invasion in March 2003 had other motives as well – from George W. Bush’s personal animus toward dictator Saddam Hussein to making sure Iraq’s oil resources would be available to U.S. oil companies – but perhaps the principal goal was the projection of American power deep into the Arab world, to strike at enemy states beyond Israel’s limited military reach.

Some of the neocons who helped formulate Bush’s Iraq War strategy had cut their teeth in the 1980s on Ronald Reagan’s interventions in Central America, which used a compliant Honduras as a staging area for assaults on leftist-ruled Nicaragua and against peasant insurgencies in nearby El Salvador and Guatemala.

Viewing the Central American outcome as a success – despite the horrendous death toll – some of these neocons, such as Bush’s deputy national security adviser Elliott Abrams, sought to apply those lessons to the Middle East, with Iraq playing the role of Honduras.

Neocon Dreams

In the neocon dreams, the invasion of Iraq would transform it into an ally of Israel and a base for pressuring regime change on other hard-line Muslim states, especially Syria and Iran.

A favorite neocon joke in 2003 was to ask whether to next hit Damascus or Tehran, with the punch-line, “Real men go to Tehran.”

Then, once President Bush had compelled regime change in Syria and Iran, the neocons hoped support would dry up for Hezbollah in Lebanon and for Hamas in the Palestinian territories, freeing Israel to dictate terms to its Arab adversaries and thus bring a form of enforced peace to the region.

In early 2004, as the Iraqi insurgency was already gaining strength, I encountered this scheme while talking to a leading neocon intellectual who told me that he had heard from his friends inside the Bush administration that the invasion of Syria was just around the corner.

But the violence in Iraq and the Bush administration’s inept war strategy soon made it clear that there would be no invasion of Syria – and that “real men” wouldn’t make it to Damascus or Tehran at least not anytime soon.

Of course, these realpolitik motives behind the Iraq War were rarely even hinted at publicly, but this neocon idea of the United States achieving military dominion over the Middle East was always at the center of the Bush administration’s thinking. It was in line with the imperial ambitions of the Project for the New American Century, which foresaw permanent U.S. military domination of the planet.

However, the human catastrophe unleashed by this neocon plan is hard to overstate. More than 4,300 U.S. soldiers have been killed along with estimates of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Also, more than 30,000 American troops were wounded or maimed.

And it is far from over. In the past few weeks, sectarian violence has been on the upswing, with bombs killing scores of Iraqis.

Yet, in part because of all this sacrifice, the public can expect politicians and pundits – especially those who cheered on the war – to insist the bloodshed was somehow worth it, that some good was achieved, that it was the right thing to depose and execute Saddam Hussein even if he didn’t have those weapons of mass destruction, and that Iraq is in a better place than it was.

There is also the argument that the neocons achieved some measure of success for their private goal by crippling Iraq as a nation state and thus weakening the overall strength of Israel’s Arab enemies. Yet, even that “achievement” must be balanced against the increased resentment of Israel and the United States throughout the region.

Uglier Reality

Yet, any happy talk about limited successes obscures a much uglier reality. Beyond the death and devastation, another casualty has been the delicate structure of international law, which couldn’t stop President Bush and his “coalition of the willing” from setting their sights on a weak nation and unleashing hell on its people.

Relying on false intelligence and laughable legal theories, Bush justified launching what the New York Times may call an “unnecessary war” but what was in reality a “war of aggression,” what the Nuremberg Tribunal after World War II deemed “the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

And Bush’s “war of aggression” did unpack many of those other crimes from the “accumulated evil of the whole,” including the slaughter of civilians and extensive use of torture and sexual abuse against Iraqis who dared to resist their nation’s occupier.

While those crimes were underway, major U.S. media outlets avoided stating the obvious because any recognition that Bush waged “a war of aggression” would force other conclusions, such as the need to subject him, his senior advisers and some foreign allies (i.e. Tony Blair) to a war crimes tribunal.

The big news organizations also didn’t want to admit their own complicity in this crime since almost everyone in American journalism, who wanted to keep a comfortable seat at the Establishment’s table, either endorsed the enterprise or kept quiet.

So even today – more than five months after Bush left office – it’s still much easier to dismiss what happened as “unnecessary,” to cite the pre-war “intelligence failures,” and to criticize Bush primarily for his tactical misjudgments in planning an effective occupation -- not committing enough troops and not having a detailed enough post-invasion plan.

Accusing him of criminality is much trickier. After all, in the view of the mainstream news media, war crimes are something that “rogue states” commit, petty tyrants from Rwanda or Yugoslavia who can then be dragged off to The Hague and put on trial.

Such humiliations are not for the former “Leader of the Free World” and his subordinates (nor for an ex-British prime minister). Instead, Bush gets to settle down with a fat pension, to be cheered at Texas Rangers baseball games, and to give paid speeches seated next to another former President, Bill Clinton.

At this point, chances of any serious accountability look slim to none. Though a vocal supporter of international law, President Obama has made it clear that he won’t tolerate any serious investigation of the Bush administration’s crimes. Obama says he wants “to look forward, not backward.”

As part of that ducking of the past, Obama also can be expected to avoid describing the war as a failure. That would only provoke Republicans and right-wing pundits to accuse him of defeatism and “apologizing for America.”

Instead, to protect the withdrawal’s political flanks, Obama will pretend that the sacrifice of American troops achieved great things in Iraq.

Deferring Truth

Under Obama’s approach, the truth of the bloody misadventure must be deferred as the 130,000 U.S. troops continue the schedule for departure, with combat troops to leave by next August and the final pullout of all troops by the end of 2011.

Still, some on the Right are already blaming Obama for this impending U.S. defeat in Iraq, even though it was Bush who accepted the “status-of-forces agreement” that set the timetable for the departure from the cities and for the final withdrawal of U.S. forces.

Bush had hoped to negotiate a SOFA that would permit an open-ended American occupation, thus locking his successor into an indefinite continuation of the war. But Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki issued a series of escalating demands regarding setting a timetable for a full U.S. withdrawal.

To get any SOFA at all for allowing American troops to remain legally after the end of 2008, Bush was forced to accept a deadline for the U.S. pullout, something that he had long resisted. The irony was that Bush’s desire to use the SOFA to cement a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq had the opposite result.

Given broad Iraqi opposition to the U.S. occupation, Iraqi political factions decided to position themselves as defenders of the nation’s sovereignty, not as American puppets.

The likely outcome in Iraq now appears to be the departure of U.S. forces with Washington left with little to show for its investment in blood and treasure. As the Washington Post reported on June 30, “there is little talk among U.S. commanders and diplomats of engineering a victory in the 2½ years they expect to remain here.”

As for Iraq, it seems doomed to continue as a country plagued by sectarian divisions. The Shiite majority can be expected to firm up ties with neighboring Shiite-ruled Iran; the Sunnis will remain resentful over their reduced status; and the Kurds will insist on their autonomous region in the north.

Whether a meaningful democracy can survive long amid these tensions – and after years of horrific violence – is doubtful. More likely might be a Balkanization of the country into sectarian enclaves or the emergence of another strongman in the mold of Saddam Hussein.

For the United States, memories of its military intervention in a country halfway around the world may fade gradually into history, swallowed by the shifting sands of the ancient land of Mesopotamia, another chapter of failed imperial overreach in that region, a long and bloody saga dating back to Biblical times.

Despite the terrible price in lives, money and prestige, little may remain of Bush’s macho adventure besides the eventual recognition of a painful strategic defeat for the United States.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth' are also available there. Or go to Amazon.com.

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Reply #5786 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 11:15am
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Zack wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?  



Well, the dude was promising change. Perhaps some thought it meant less planted questions and more transparency. Also maybe not ramming thru laws no one has even read.
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LadyJane wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 11:11am:
Pdog wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:57am:
LadyJane wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:50am:
Zack wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?  


That's not the point Zack.
The point is that Obama is nothing new. It's more of the same garbage.
So the whole "He is a 'Messiah' and represents real change" is a complete lie.
It always was, imho.

THAT's what angers me.
LJ.


the messiah thing is hoisted by the otherside, its a label they created and say over and over, thus making them think it is now true. I do not see it... you say it enough. Change, new, whatever... this is an ongoing poltical theme and false all around... we got a young black liberal president, that's the only change... we've hadtwo before, he was just the first black dude.
Don't believe the hype...


I never did believe the hype!
"Meet the new Boss
Same as the old Boss"

LJ.


ExactaMundo!

Hey, check this out... Is this really the voice and logic of the right? He wants an attack, to address immigration issues? Talk about losing focus of your country over an ageneda... regardless if you agree with immigation policy on way or the other... Really? WTF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNJoAIYn2zE
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"Al Carlin, is an economist, not a climate scientist"

And what meteorologic institute did Al Gore attend?
I can't recall, I seem to think that his background was in politics as the VP, politics as a Senator, politics as a Senator's son,...

hmmm, well he won the Oscar, so ge must know something about it!

The point is, what was Carlin's role and why suppress his report?
This guy at least works in the agency that has a role in the decision whether to pursue certain climate legislation, and if so, what legislation.  It just looks very untransparent from an Administration that says it is so transparent and lofty.  They should investigate it - if someone in the agency knowingly suppressed relevant information on the issue of climate change during the consideration and advocacy of legislation directed to the issue, that would be devastating to the Administration's credibility.






AL Gore was a spokesman for science, this guy was off on his own. That's the difference I see.

Is it relevant information? I am sure any relevant information would be seriously discussed by the scientists involved.
I for one trust the scientist community.

Lots of people ( many of them scientists) disagree with the cause of the warming, very few dispute the change.
I've watched Senators say that there is actually global cooling, citing some '70's data. That data had been misread, due to a shift in the satellite's orbit. New understanding of what had gone wrong showed things are worse than previously expected.

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I think that the resistance to change is too intense. Obama can't do it without the Congress, which is showing it's desire for lobbyist money for their reelection campaigns. Who really thinks that Obama is throwing the gay/lesbian cause under the proverbial bus. It's just a matter of priorities, trying to move the nation towards clean industries and health care for all is a massive undertaking. Profits will drop, and that will bring a lot of resistance out.

And yes, I realize it's a Dem majority. Still holds true.

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Reply #5790 - Jul 2nd, 2009 at 11:42am
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467K jobs cut in June; jobless rate at 9.5 percent



Is that font large enough for you guys? Does that font drive the point home?




Well it ought to wake you up. This is all Obama's economy folks. You can try the Bush hiccups all day long, but that shit just don't wash anymore.

This is pure economic illiteracy at work here.


Oh, and then there's this from the first paragraph of the linked article,(in case some here would prefer not to actually read anything critical of this idiot president)


"Employers cut a larger-than-expected 467,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate climbed to a 26-year high of 9.5 percent. Workers also saw weekly wages fall, suggesting Americans will have little appetite to spend and the economy's road to recovery will be bumpy."


He sucks! You voted for him. Good job!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy


Riffy


Can you just expalin to me again, how Bush wasn't responsible for the recssion he inheireted but Obama is for this one?




Pdog Bush did indeed inherit a recession. He also turned that recession around very quickly with tax cuts. Not just tax cuts for the rich, mind you. That is a bunch of class warfare horseshit that Democrats love to throw around. No, Bush installed across the board tax cuts. The economy rebounded sharply and unemployment went way down, and the stock market went way up. Flash forward to the Fannie and Freddie catastrophe. Remember that? Back in 2004 when Bush, McCain, and the entire Republican party tried in vain to reel in the housing bubble before it burst. Which party insisted that there was no problem with Fannie and Freddie? The housing crash, and Fannie and Freddie particularly, was the direct cause of the recession that Obummer inherited. Funny enough, he received more money from Fannie Mae than anyone in DC save Chris Dodd! Strange, huh?

So I could turn the whole thing around and claim that not only is Obummer responsible for the economy now because of his outrageous spending and massive new expensive governmental regulations (which will hit every single American in the throat btw), but he is also at least partially responsible for the economic downturn under Bush in the final months. Hey you can't say that Bush didn't warn us about the coming housing crisis! He did. Who ignored that warning, and acted as if all was fine? Who insisted upon granting loans to people who never would come close to qualifying for the loans that they eventually were handed by the Democrat run Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Loans which predictably went bust and ended up bringing the whole housing market crashing to the ground.


Yes. I can easily explain why Obama is responsible for this mess. In fact I just did.

For further evidence of this insane Democrat created catastrophe please watch the video linked. These morons through government fiat paid their constituents with economically unsound means when they HAD to know that the entire American economic system would collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs



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"A favorite neocon joke in 2003 was to ask whether to next hit Damascus or Tehran, with the punch-line, “Real men go to Tehran.” "


That's neocon humor for you. Not a friggin' one of them served.



Who suggested going war with Iran?

Here's a better idea. Why don't we wait a full 14 days before we condemn (in a rather tepid fashion) what is happening on the streets of Iran. And then, just for kicks, let's telegraph the fact that our president is ready to sit down with the same Iranian government that is now killing it's civilians in mass. We can't be seen to be meddling after all.


And then just for kicks let's meddle in Honduras! There's an idea! The radically far left president who was just peacefully removed by the military while he was in the process of trying to make himself El Presidente for life ala Hugo Chavez. So the Honduran Supreme Court ruled that he was trying to rewrite the Honduran Constitution without reason. Gee, sounds familiar, huh? In other words it was a perfectly legal coup. The military did not hold power they just enforced their constitution. Why is Obummer coming down on the side of Chavez' puppet? I guess he just loves to meddle.


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"A favorite neocon joke in 2003 was to ask whether to next hit Damascus or Tehran, with the punch-line, “Real men go to Tehran.” "


That's neocon humor for you. Not a friggin' one of them served.


By neocon, do you mean the cabal of dual-citizenship holding, self-styled intellectuals, or anyone who signed up with the Project For The New American Century?
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fuman wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 11:45am:
"A favorite neocon joke in 2003 was to ask whether to next hit Damascus or Tehran, with the punch-line, “Real men go to Tehran.” "


That's neocon humor for you. Not a friggin' one of them served.


By neocon, do you mean the cabal of dual-citizenship holding, self-styled intellectuals, or anyone who signed up with the Project For The New American Century?

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Zack wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:47am:
Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:43am:
The other day we saw another example of planted questions at the Barry pep rally aka press conference. Today we are learning that not only does Barry's staff stage the questions that it wants asked, but they also stage the people that receive the oh-so-special presidential hugs!




Are you suggesting that this is new, that previous administrations both Dem and GOP did not all do the same damn thing?   



Well, the dude was promising change. Perhaps some thought it meant less planted questions and more transparency. Also maybe not ramming thru laws no one has even read.

They'll never understand. Obalama kept saying he would change everything & it's like a return to Nixon/Ford/Carter. We've got the paranoia/horrid economics of the first, the verbal ineptitude of the second & the immature foreign policy/economics of the third.
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The economy is improving if you work for Obama -

White House Salaries Released
The Obama administration today released the annual salaries of all White House staffers.

The Hotline crunches the numbers and finds an 18% increase in the total amount paid to Obama staffers over Bush staffers.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/July1Report-Draft12.pdf

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2009/07/obama_staff_pai.php
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Riffhard wrote on Jul 2nd, 2009 at 10:26am:
467K jobs cut in June; jobless rate at 9.5 percent



Is that font large enough for you guys? Does that font drive the point home?




Well it ought to wake you up. This is all Obama's economy folks. You can try the Bush hiccups all day long, but that shit just don't wash anymore.

This is pure economic illiteracy at work here.


Oh, and then there's this from the first paragraph of the linked article,(in case some here would prefer not to actually read anything critical of this idiot president)


"Employers cut a larger-than-expected 467,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate climbed to a 26-year high of 9.5 percent. Workers also saw weekly wages fall, suggesting Americans will have little appetite to spend and the economy's road to recovery will be bumpy."


He sucks! You voted for him. Good job!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy


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Can you just expalin to me again, how Bush wasn't responsible for the recssion he inheireted but Obama is for this one?




Pdog Bush did indeed inherit a recession. He also turned that recession around very quickly with tax cuts. Not just tax cuts for the rich, mind you. That is a bunch of class warfare horseshit that Democrats love to throw around. No, Bush installed across the board tax cuts. The economy rebounded sharply and unemployment went way down, and the stock market went way up. Flash forward to the Fannie and Freddie catastrophe. Remember that? Back in 2004 when Bush, McCain, and the entire Republican party tried in vain to reel in the housing bubble before it burst. Which party insisted that there was no problem with Fannie and Freddie? The housing crash, and Fannie and Freddie particularly, was the direct cause of the recession that Obummer inherited. Funny enough, he received more money from Fannie Mae than anyone in DC save Chris Dodd! Strange, huh?

So I could turn the whole thing around and claim that not only is Obummer responsible for the economy now because of his outrageous spending and massive new expensive governmental regulations (which will hit every single American in the throat btw), but he is also at least partially responsible for the economic downturn under Bush in the final months. Hey you can't say that Bush didn't warn us about the coming housing crisis! He did. Who ignored that warning, and acted as if all was fine? Who insisted upon granting loans to people who never would come close to qualifying for the loans that they eventually were handed by the Democrat run Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Loans which predictably went bust and ended up bringing the whole housing market crashing to the ground.


Yes. I can easily explain why Obama is responsible for this mess. In fact I just did.

For further evidence of this insane Democrat created catastrophe please watch the video linked. These morons through government fiat paid their constituents with economically unsound means when they HAD to know that the entire American economic system would collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs



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since you like facts and evidence... is this all true?

The dot-com bubble had burst in 2000, and the economy was sinking even before the shock of 9/11.
Senate Democrats and Bush both phased in the tax rate reductions and settled for politically popular but economically feckless tax rebate checks. Those checks provided a short-term lift to consumer spending but no real boost to risk-taking or business investment, which was still recovering from the tech implosion. By late 2002, the economy was struggling again -- which is when Mr. Bush proposed his second round of tax cuts.
As the tax cuts became law in late May 2003, the recovery began in earnest. Growth averaged nearly 4% over the next three years, the jobless rate fell from 6.3% in June 2003 to 4.4% in October 2006, and real wages began to grow despite rising food and energy prices. The 2003 tax cut was the high point of Bush economic policy.
In June 2003, even as the tax cuts were passing and the economy took off,  the fed cut funds rate to 1% and kept it there for a year. His stimulus worked -- far too well. The money boom created a commodity price spike as well as a subsidy for credit across the economy.
This extra easy policy was responsible for accelerating the housing boom and thereby ultimately leading to the housing bust, By pushing all of this excess credit into the economy, the Fed created a housing and mortgage mania that Wall Street was only too happy to be part of. For that matter, most everyone else was: from homebuyers who put nothing down for a loan, to a White House that bragged about record home ownership, to the Democrats who promoted and protected Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.


The perfect storm, and Bush just as much as the house dems... and behind it, banking greed and wall street. IMO, Obama is just as bad. b/c he won't stand up to the banks, just like Bush, and these banks run our Federal Reserve, thus they run the country, and no party affiltion serves or protects you, me or any other citizen.
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