Riffhard wrote on Jun 26
th, 2009 at 11:44am:
nankerphelge wrote on Jun 26
th, 2009 at 9:40am:
From today's WSJ:
Steve Fielding * recently asked the Obama administration to reassure him on the science of man-made global warming. When the administration proved unhelpful, Mr. Fielding decided to vote against climate-change legislation.
If you haven't heard of this politician, it's because he's a member of the Australian Senate...)
Bam! Well there you go funman! How are you going to argue that?
Only the most brainwashed amongst us believe in the hype about human causation. The evidence is pouring in that the solar cycle is what accounts for 99.99999.....% of all climatic change. Riffy
Another thing about you that I find absurdly hilarious is that you will point out that the other side is exaggerating their claims - and then go over the top with the most ridiculous exaggerations imaginable.
For example, the section of your post which I've included above.
If I was a betting man, I would wager that not even your like-minded cohorts Messrs. Nankerphelge and Glencar believes what you said there.
In fact, most of the problems we face are a bit more nuanced than your shrill worldview allows.
Here are some polls which call your figures into doubt:
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http://www.connpost.com/ci_12625040By Amanda Cuda
Staff writer
Despite conflicting messages on global warming, the majority of Americans believe in the phenomenon, see it as an environmental threat and want to do something about it. However, they might not be totally sure how to do that.
That's according to a national poll released this week by Sacred Heart University in Fairfield. The survey showed that about 80 percent of those interviewed were completely or mostly convinced global warming was occurring today. Only 17.5 percent said they weren't very convinced or not convinced at all.
Meanwhile, 94 percent of survey respondents were very or somewhat willing to change their lifestyles to reduce the impact of climate change. But poll participants seem unsure of exactly how deeply their way of life is affecting the environment.
"[Global warming] is a big topic of conversation and a big source of confusion," he said. "There's a lot of different messages that add to that sense of confusion."
Other findings from the Sacred Heart Survey:
61.9 percent of those surveyed said they believed that global warming was due to a combination of human activity as well as natural cycling. Only 20.1 percent believed it was entirely due to human activity and even less -- 12.6 percent -- thought it was totally caused by natural cycling 94 percent said they were very or somewhat willing to change their own lifestyle to reduce the impact of climate change and 95.1 believed there were things they could be doing to use energy more wisely 68.6 expressed a willingness to pay higher prices for "green" energy sources or items like electric cars to reduce the effect of global warming.
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http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090623/OPINION/90622029/1006/NEWS01/Our+vi...When it comes to the climate change, the old saying “Wake up and smell the coffee” applies.
Most Floridians, and Americans, have opened their eyes, taken a good whiff and understand the importance of reducing the man-made greenhouse gases that are causing global warming.That was shown in a 2007 Mason-Dixon poll, when 71 percent of Florida residents called the problem critical and wanted anti-warming measures in place, with support across party lines.
A new poll by the Pew Environmental Group shows the same thing nationally, with 77 percent calling for action.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/117772/Awareness-Opinions-Global-Warming-Vary-Worldwi...April 22, 2009 -
Another example that reveals that public knowledge of the concept of global warming is not the same thing as public belief that global warming is a result of human activities is in the U.S. Despite the fact that the U.S. ranks third in overall awareness of global warming -- at 97% --
only 49% of this 97% say they think rising temperatures are a result of human activities.__________________________
Speaking from Prague, Czech Republic, pollster John Zogby said 55 percent of the 1,001 Catholics polled between March 30 and April 14 believed global warming and climate change were serious problems. The poll found that
60 percent of respondents felt that climate change must be addressed immediately even if not everything is known about it.The margin of error for the poll was plus or minus 3.2 percent.
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http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2009/06/25/public-votes-yes-on-wa...Public Votes "Yes" on Waxman-Markey
Posted by Anna Fahey
06/25/2009 04:20 PM
Polls show Americans across party lines favor climate legislation.
As the House of Representatives fine tunes legislation like the American Clean Energy and Security Act, public opinion weighs far less than other pressures. But as our elected officials make perhaps the biggest decision of their careers about the biggest, most sweeping climate and energy legislation ever, it’s worth noting that the American public is calling for "yes" votes – and that’s across party lines.
Washington Post and ABC took the nation’s pulse on this issue last week and here’s what they found:
Three-quarters of Americans think the federal government should regulate the release into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases from power plants, cars and factories to reduce global warming, with substantial majority support from Democrats, Republicans and independents alike.
52 percent support a cap-and-trade approach to limiting greenhouse gas emissions. (Forty-two percent of those surveyed this month oppose such a program.)
62 percent of those surveyed said they would support regulation even if it raised the price of purchases and 56 percent would back cap and trade if it resulted in a $10 increase in utility costs, 44 percent said they would back a cap-and-trade system if it boosted monthly electricity bills by $25.
Despite nay saying about costs to households and negative economic effects of a cap and trade system, 60 percent of Republicans back a cap-and-trade program.
Six in 10 Americans favor US action, even if other countries do less to confront climate change.
So, in a nutshell, Americans from both parties favor action. A solid majority is ready for cap and trade (including a sizable majority of Republicans -- 60 percent). We are willing to pay a bit more for energy to make this happen. We're no longer content to use India and China as scapegoats for our own foot dragging. (According to the Post, while partisan divides are dwindling, age matters in voters' position on cap and trade and, understandably, income matters when it comes to the question of cost).
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* Oh, and that Senator Fielding who you guys
are trumpeting as being on your side of this issue?

Here's a picture of Senator Fielding.

Here's another one.