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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Reply #5625 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 5:41pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 4:35pm:
Jesus Christ wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 4:05pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 1:04pm:
Yeah whatever drone. Here's what I have surmised about you. You claim that you don't hate Christians, but you slam their beliefs as idiotic. Of course you completely ignore the fact that Christians, and more importantly conservative Christians, contribute to charity more than any other group on the face of the earth. Liberals? Not so much! Liberals have no problem whatsoever forcing the tax payer up the cash, but they very seldom willingly give it up to charities of their own accord.


You slam people that don't believe in the hoax of human caused global warming as being deniers, but then you just casually dismiss any, and all evidence that proves it's a hoax! So you would happily ignore the massive boatload of evidence that proves the hoax, and the scientists that know way more about this subject than you do while at the same time believing in politicians who have zero education in the subject.


So you deny Christianity as crap, and then jump in with both feet into the religion of Man Made Global Warming.


You are a drone, and I won't stop calling you one anytime soon. A drone is someone who refuses to look at the evidence and evaluate it from a non-biased perspective. You can't, and won't do that. Thus you are a DRONE! Deal with it.



Riffy



I have to step in here.  I find it hilarious, yet nauseating, that Mr. Riffhard, of all people, is claiming Me as being on his side.  Far from it.

Mr. Riffhard, you and your slightly smarter associate Mr. Nankerphelge have argued against Me in favor of torture, pre-emptive war, and a host of other decidedly anti-Christian activities. I think you MIGHT even be self-righteous enough not to see the absurd humour in saying "F*ck you Jesus!" while arguing that waterboarding is not torture.

"You claim that you don't hate Christians, but you slam their beliefs as idiotic. "

If My beliefs could be summed up in one sentence, it would be: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You know, the whole "turn the other cheek" thing.  It's not a footnote. It's the foundation of all of My teachings.

Do YOU live by that rule? Do you advocate that America, as a Christian nation, should also live by that rule? Or would you say that this is an idiotic belief?

No "but"s, please.  No equivocation. A simple yes or no.

"Of course you completely ignore the fact that Christians, and more importantly conservative Christians, contribute to charity more than any other group on the face of the earth. Liberals? Not so much!"

Please provide the evidence which proves this "fact".  Donations to the GOP do not count as charity. And, by the way, who brought that up in the first place? Where is Mr. Nankerphelge and his Strawman detector?

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Sorry fuckstick I didn't read your post, but I can say without a second's hesitation-go fuck yourself.



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wow! i mean.. WOW!
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Reply #5626 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 5:42pm
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Someone did a study & found 100+ errors in Gore's movie. Does that concern you?



It does concern me. I read the counter argument, then read the counter counter argument and decide.

Is it a book? A movie? Internet?



I spend a lot of my free time reading this stuff (many hours a week). I am fascinated at what science has discovered since my college days.


I have stated here in the past, that I have a lot of evangelical friends, and I have read books that they recommended. Even read The Screwtape Letters (CS Eliot), which explained to me how futile it is arguing with someone about their faith.

Read a lot of the creationism vs evolution arguments. And I should also say that as pissed as I am with the current leaders in the various churches, I understand the importance of religion, but personally don't need the fantasy of eternal life to wash away my fear of dying.
It doesn't bother me in the least that we descended from the same ancestor as the apes descended from. So what, if it is true then that's it. Certainly more evidence that it is the truth, than the POOF theory in Genesis. But, to each their own. I really don't want to destroy someones faith. I only argue these points because if someone believes that God will return to gather up the believers before He wreaks havoc on the nonbelievers, well, how can they appreciate this jewel we call Earth. Kind of ruins it for all us sinners. There is no reason for them to want to take care of our planet if they believe God will rescue them.



funman, what about the idea that energy never dies it just changes form. There's gotta be at least SOME possibility that something survives death.



something survives death... what does that mean? lol!


My aunt's attempt to indoctrinate me failed when she told me cats don't go to heaven.

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Reply #5627 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 5:43pm
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wow! i mean.. WOW!


I think quoting the whole thing means he in fact read it twice.
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Reply #5628 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:07pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 1:04pm:
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 11:44am:
nankerphelge wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 9:40am:
From today's WSJ:

Steve Fielding recently asked the Obama administration to reassure him on the science of man-made global warming. When the administration proved unhelpful, Mr. Fielding decided to vote against climate-change legislation.

If you haven't heard of this politician, it's because he's a member of the Australian Senate. As the U.S. House of Representatives prepares to pass a climate-change bill, the Australian Parliament is preparing to kill its own country's carbon-emissions scheme. Why? A growing number of Australian politicians, scientists and citizens once again doubt the science of human-caused global warming.

Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as "deniers." The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S.

In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country's new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country's weeks-old cap-and-trade program.

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak "frankly" of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history." Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the "new religion." A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.)





Bam! Well there you go funman! How are you going to argue that? Only the most brainwashed amongst us believe in the hype about human causation. The evidence is pouring in that the solar cycle is what accounts for 99.99999.....% of all climatic change. So I guess the real purpose that this bill is being pushed at break-neck speed is because the science is so damned faulty that Barry wants the legislation to get rammed through before any of us have a chance to understand the true impact that it will have on our day to day lives. You, and those drones like you, would happily give up your rights to a lifestyle that is the envy of the world just so you can feel good about doing something. Even if that something is inconsequential. The problem with that is that you are forcing those of us that know the truth about this hoax to take a bite a bite out of the same shit sandwich that you happily gobble up. Thank you, no.


Riffy



Sen. Jim Inhofe ?  Isn't he one of the "certain of creationism" nuts ?

"those of us that know the truth" ?


You will thank me later, I can assure you.


You should really stop with the drone bullshit.
It's like my nephew telling me I'm crazy for not believing in Santa Claus. Really.




Yeah whatever drone. Here's what I have surmised about you. You claim that you don't hate Christians, but you slam their beliefs as idiotic. Of course you completely ignore the fact that Christians, and more importantly conservative Christians, contribute to charity more than any other group on the face of the earth. Liberals? Not so much! Liberals have no problem whatsoever forcing the tax payer up the cash, but they very seldom willingly give it up to charities of their own accord.


You slam people that don't believe in the hoax of human caused global warming as being deniers, but then you just casually dismiss any, and all evidence that proves it's a hoax! So you would happily ignore the massive boatload of evidence that proves the hoax, and the scientists that know way more about this subject than you do while at the same time believing in politicians who have zero education in the subject.


So you deny Christianity as crap, and then jump in with both feet into the religion of Man Made Global Warming.


You are a drone, and I won't stop calling you one anytime soon. A drone is someone who refuses to look at the evidence and evaluate it from a non-biased perspective. You can't, and won't do that. Thus you are a DRONE! Deal with it.



Riffy



I'm lost, you stated clearly, for years, there was no climate change... Now you're saying it does and doesn't exist at the same time, and that when it exists, it has no connection to man, and is a natural occurence... using known science, that shows earths millions of years of history.... and at no time in the history, did the climate ever change dramitically, unless there was a catastrophic event, like something large hitting the earth. So, we're using science, to disprove science... which in itself is what science is... theories, tests, opinions... then there's the evidence of what has happened, and ways to predict what might occur... I bring this up, b/c  our former president said  gloabla warming didn't exist... he said the jury was out. Then when all evidence was in, he changed his tune, and said, oh well it's too late to do anything about it... all I know, is that humans pollute and our pollution is deadly, and will kill us, and you don't need science for that, I know when I see a can flying down the highway, and realize people pretty much don't give a fuck, liberal or conservative... religous zealot or atheist religous haters... just pick a side and stick to it... I can't even tell what you're saying, if it exists or not... regardless of god or man... I do agree, the sun is a big part of this warm thing... it's 105 here, and i'm pretty sure it's b/c of the sun!
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Reply #5629 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:08pm
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ijwthstd wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 5:42pm:
Pdog wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 5:38pm:
2000monkey wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 3:37pm:
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Someone did a study & found 100+ errors in Gore's movie. Does that concern you?



It does concern me. I read the counter argument, then read the counter counter argument and decide.

Is it a book? A movie? Internet?



I spend a lot of my free time reading this stuff (many hours a week). I am fascinated at what science has discovered since my college days.


I have stated here in the past, that I have a lot of evangelical friends, and I have read books that they recommended. Even read The Screwtape Letters (CS Eliot), which explained to me how futile it is arguing with someone about their faith.

Read a lot of the creationism vs evolution arguments. And I should also say that as pissed as I am with the current leaders in the various churches, I understand the importance of religion, but personally don't need the fantasy of eternal life to wash away my fear of dying.
It doesn't bother me in the least that we descended from the same ancestor as the apes descended from. So what, if it is true then that's it. Certainly more evidence that it is the truth, than the POOF theory in Genesis. But, to each their own. I really don't want to destroy someones faith. I only argue these points because if someone believes that God will return to gather up the believers before He wreaks havoc on the nonbelievers, well, how can they appreciate this jewel we call Earth. Kind of ruins it for all us sinners. There is no reason for them to want to take care of our planet if they believe God will rescue them.



funman, what about the idea that energy never dies it just changes form. There's gotta be at least SOME possibility that something survives death.



something survives death... what does that mean? lol!


My aunt's attempt to indoctrinate me failed when she told me cats don't go to heaven.



no atheriss in foxholes and no pussy in heaven?
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Reply #5630 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:28pm
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Someone did a study & found 100+ errors in Gore's movie. Does that concern you?



It does concern me. I read the counter argument, then read the counter counter argument and decide.

Is it a book? A movie? Internet?



I spend a lot of my free time reading this stuff (many hours a week). I am fascinated at what science has discovered since my college days.


I have stated here in the past, that I have a lot of evangelical friends, and I have read books that they recommended. Even read The Screwtape Letters (CS Eliot), which explained to me how futile it is arguing with someone about their faith.

Read a lot of the creationism vs evolution arguments. And I should also say that as pissed as I am with the current leaders in the various churches, I understand the importance of religion, but personally don't need the fantasy of eternal life to wash away my fear of dying.
It doesn't bother me in the least that we descended from the same ancestor as the apes descended from. So what, if it is true then that's it. Certainly more evidence that it is the truth, than the POOF theory in Genesis. But, to each their own. I really don't want to destroy someones faith. I only argue these points because if someone believes that God will return to gather up the believers before He wreaks havoc on the nonbelievers, well, how can they appreciate this jewel we call Earth. Kind of ruins it for all us sinners. There is no reason for them to want to take care of our planet if they believe God will rescue them.



funman, what about the idea that energy never dies it just changes form. There's gotta be at least SOME possibility that something survives death.



something survives death... what does that mean? lol!


My aunt's attempt to indoctrinate me failed when she told me cats don't go to heaven.



no atheriss in foxholes and no pussy in heaven?


Speaking of heaven, I hear Obama had Michael Jackson killed to draw attention away from Cap And Trade.

The only interesting thing about all the whining on the fringes during the Clinton years is all the death lists and conspiracies. The funny thing is now that the Democrats are really giving them something to cry about, no one is even listening!
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Reply #5631 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 7:30pm
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This seems to me to be a pretty unbiased explanation of climate change, and thorough.
It is 4 parts.

The concept:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo

Other theories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoSVoxwYrKI&feature=related

Myths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_AtHkB4Ms&NR=1

Gore v Durkin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2B34sO7HPM&NR=1
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Reply #5632 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 7:31pm
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Pdog wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:08pm:
ijwthstd wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 5:42pm:
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Someone did a study & found 100+ errors in Gore's movie. Does that concern you?



It does concern me. I read the counter argument, then read the counter counter argument and decide.

Is it a book? A movie? Internet?



I spend a lot of my free time reading this stuff (many hours a week). I am fascinated at what science has discovered since my college days.


I have stated here in the past, that I have a lot of evangelical friends, and I have read books that they recommended. Even read The Screwtape Letters (CS Eliot), which explained to me how futile it is arguing with someone about their faith.

Read a lot of the creationism vs evolution arguments. And I should also say that as pissed as I am with the current leaders in the various churches, I understand the importance of religion, but personally don't need the fantasy of eternal life to wash away my fear of dying.
It doesn't bother me in the least that we descended from the same ancestor as the apes descended from. So what, if it is true then that's it. Certainly more evidence that it is the truth, than the POOF theory in Genesis. But, to each their own. I really don't want to destroy someones faith. I only argue these points because if someone believes that God will return to gather up the believers before He wreaks havoc on the nonbelievers, well, how can they appreciate this jewel we call Earth. Kind of ruins it for all us sinners. There is no reason for them to want to take care of our planet if they believe God will rescue them.



funman, what about the idea that energy never dies it just changes form. There's gotta be at least SOME possibility that something survives death.



something survives death... what does that mean? lol!


My aunt's attempt to indoctrinate me failed when she told me cats don't go to heaven.



no atheriss in foxholes and no pussy in heaven?


Speaking of heaven, I hear Obama had Michael Jackson killed to draw attention away from Cap And Trade.

The only interesting thing about all the whining on the fringes during the Clinton years is all the death lists and conspiracies. The funny thing is now that the Democrats are really giving them something to cry about, no one is even listening!


Michael jackson dying was the best thing to happen to Gov. Sanford since his long walk to see his mistress!!!
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Reply #5633 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 9:41pm
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Biden also praised Tim Kaine as the "great governor of New Jersey."

One problem: Tim Kaine's not governor of New Jersey.

Jon Corzine (right) is governor of New Jersey (Remember, he didn't wear his seatbelt in the state patrol car for the big high-speed crash).

Tim Kaine is governor of another state, called Virginia.

He's also chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Biden is from Delaware.

He used a Teleprompter.
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So Democrats and Obama don't want energy costs to go up, huh funman? Well perhaps you can tell that to the idiot that's calling the shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4


Every single industry that relies on cheap energy is going to get hammered with new regulations and massive taxes. Taxes, which in turn, will passed down to every one of us. Job losses will be in the millions. Corporations are going to close shop and move to countries with less strict idiotic regulatory standards. Have you idiots not figured it out yet?! He is doing exactly what he said he would do. He is redistributing wealth, OUR WEALTH!!!! And he's doing it in such a dramatic fashion, and at such breakneck speed that most otherwise well thinking Americans haven't had time to figure it out yet. He's doing all of this and the effect on the climate is going to be totally meaningless. Well some of us have figured it out, and the rest of you sons-a-bitches better wake up and wake up quick. Your hero is going to destroy the economic engine of this country and with it our way of life, as well as the way of life we hand over to our children.


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House Democrats and 8 Republicans pass cap and Trade
June 26, 10:49        
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Congratulations to the House Democrats, and their eight Republican abettors, on the passage of the Waxman-Markey cap and trade tax climate change legislation.

Today's victors are to be congratulated for demonstrating that by using dilatory tactics, such as posting the "final" version of a 1,200 page bill the night before the vote, issuing a 300 page amendment to the 1,200 page bill after 3:00 a.m., and allowing only five hours of debate, it is possible to pass a cap and trade tax plan. A plan that presidential candidate Obama said will cause electricity rates to "necessarily skyrocket" and will bankrupt anyone who builds a coal-powered plant. And show that it is possible to pass such a plan with a whopping seven vote margin - 219-212, with less than 4% of the favorable votes coming from the loyal opposition and more than 20% of the negative votes coming from the majority party.

It does make wonder what is hidden in all those pages that no Representative really had a chance to read, let alone study, that made the Democrats so determined to avoid a real honest to goodness debate.
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 4:35pm:
Jesus Christ wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 4:05pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 at 1:04pm:
Yeah whatever drone. Here's what I have surmised about you. You claim that you don't hate Christians, but you slam their beliefs as idiotic. Of course you completely ignore the fact that Christians, and more importantly conservative Christians, contribute to charity more than any other group on the face of the earth. Liberals? Not so much! Liberals have no problem whatsoever forcing the tax payer up the cash, but they very seldom willingly give it up to charities of their own accord.


You slam people that don't believe in the hoax of human caused global warming as being deniers, but then you just casually dismiss any, and all evidence that proves it's a hoax! So you would happily ignore the massive boatload of evidence that proves the hoax, and the scientists that know way more about this subject than you do while at the same time believing in politicians who have zero education in the subject.


So you deny Christianity as crap, and then jump in with both feet into the religion of Man Made Global Warming.


You are a drone, and I won't stop calling you one anytime soon. A drone is someone who refuses to look at the evidence and evaluate it from a non-biased perspective. You can't, and won't do that. Thus you are a DRONE! Deal with it.



Riffy



I have to step in here.  I find it hilarious, yet nauseating, that Mr. Riffhard, of all people, is claiming Me as being on his side.  Far from it.

Mr. Riffhard, you and your slightly smarter associate Mr. Nankerphelge have argued against Me in favor of torture, pre-emptive war, and a host of other decidedly anti-Christian activities. I think you MIGHT even be self-righteous enough not to see the absurd humour in saying "F*ck you Jesus!" while arguing that waterboarding is not torture.

"You claim that you don't hate Christians, but you slam their beliefs as idiotic. "

If My beliefs could be summed up in one sentence, it would be: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You know, the whole "turn the other cheek" thing.  It's not a footnote. It's the foundation of all of My teachings.

Do YOU live by that rule? Do you advocate that America, as a Christian nation, should also live by that rule? Or would you say that this is an idiotic belief?

No "but"s, please.  No equivocation. A simple yes or no.

"Of course you completely ignore the fact that Christians, and more importantly conservative Christians, contribute to charity more than any other group on the face of the earth. Liberals? Not so much!"

Please provide the evidence which proves this "fact".  Donations to the GOP do not count as charity. And, by the way, who brought that up in the first place? Where is Mr. Nankerphelge and his Strawman detector?

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Sorry fuckstick I didn't read your post, but I can say without a second's hesitation-go fuck yourself.



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Biden also praised Tim Kaine as the "great governor of New Jersey."

One problem: Tim Kaine's not governor of New Jersey.

Jon Corzine (right) is governor of New Jersey (Remember, he didn't wear his seatbelt in the state patrol car for the big high-speed crash).

Tim Kaine is governor of another state, called Virginia.

He's also chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Biden is from Delaware.

He used a Teleprompter.




You're certainly going to have a lot of fun with Biden, no doubt. He's only just begun . . .
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So Democrats and Obama don't want energy costs to go up, huh funman? Well perhaps you can tell that to the idiot that's calling the shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4


Every single industry that relies on cheap energy is going to get hammered with new regulations and massive taxes. Taxes, which in turn, will passed down to every one of us. Job losses will be in the millions. Corporations are going to close shop and move to countries with less strict idiotic regulatory standards. Have you idiots not figured it out yet?! He is doing exactly what he said he would do. He is redistributing wealth, OUR WEALTH!!!! And he's doing it in such a dramatic fashion, and at such breakneck speed that most otherwise well thinking Americans haven't had time to figure it out yet. He's doing all of this and the effect on the climate is going to be totally meaningless. Well some of us have figured it out, and the rest of you sons-a-bitches better wake up and wake up quick. Your hero is going to destroy the economic engine of this country and with it our way of life, as well as the way of life we hand over to our children.


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Yeah yeah, a round and round we go.

Can we get back to talking about me?
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 27th, 2009 at 1:36am:
So Democrats and Obama don't want energy costs to go up, huh funman? Well perhaps you can tell that to the idiot that's calling the shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4


Every single industry that relies on cheap energy is going to get hammered with new regulations and massive taxes. Taxes, which in turn, will passed down to every one of us. Job losses will be in the millions. Corporations are going to close shop and move to countries with less strict idiotic regulatory standards. Have you idiots not figured it out yet?! He is doing exactly what he said he would do. He is redistributing wealth, OUR WEALTH!!!! And he's doing it in such a dramatic fashion, and at such breakneck speed that most otherwise well thinking Americans haven't had time to figure it out yet. He's doing all of this and the effect on the climate is going to be totally meaningless. Well some of us have figured it out, and the rest of you sons-a-bitches better wake up and wake up quick. Your hero is going to destroy the economic engine of this country and with it our way of life, as well as the way of life we hand over to our children.


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Yeah yeah, a round and round we go.

Can we get back to talking about me?

 

Hey funman you want to talk about you? Okay fine. I present you with facts. YOU have no answer and try and deflect. Here is your ideological far left rabid wealth redistributor Marxist/Socialist president who is an economic illiterate, and you can't defend what he just said! Did you hear the man say that that prices would "necessarily skyrocket", because I sure as hell did! How about you?! So much for showing any compassion for the poor and elderly in this country. When some little old lady freezes to death in Duluth, Minn. because she can no longer afford her "skyrocketing" natural gas prices at least you can feel good about the fact that you, and idiots like you did something that made absolutely zero impact on the climate! Hooray for you!



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One problem: Tim Kaine's not governor of New Jersey.




He got confused with Tom Kean (pronounced Kayne), who indeed is former governor of New Jersey, and also first Homeland Security secretary or anti-terrorism czar or something like that.

Typical Biden.  What's your point?




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Tom Keane was co-chairman of the 9-11 commission. He was governor 20 years ago. Biden is a dolt. Point made. Over & over again.
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 27th, 2009 at 11:31am:
fuman wrote on Jun 27th, 2009 at 11:09am:
Riffhard wrote on Jun 27th, 2009 at 1:36am:
So Democrats and Obama don't want energy costs to go up, huh funman? Well perhaps you can tell that to the idiot that's calling the shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4


Every single industry that relies on cheap energy is going to get hammered with new regulations and massive taxes. Taxes, which in turn, will passed down to every one of us. Job losses will be in the millions. Corporations are going to close shop and move to countries with less strict idiotic regulatory standards. Have you idiots not figured it out yet?! He is doing exactly what he said he would do. He is redistributing wealth, OUR WEALTH!!!! And he's doing it in such a dramatic fashion, and at such breakneck speed that most otherwise well thinking Americans haven't had time to figure it out yet. He's doing all of this and the effect on the climate is going to be totally meaningless. Well some of us have figured it out, and the rest of you sons-a-bitches better wake up and wake up quick. Your hero is going to destroy the economic engine of this country and with it our way of life, as well as the way of life we hand over to our children.


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Yeah yeah, a round and round we go.

Can we get back to talking about me?

 

Hey funman you want to talk about you? Okay fine. I present you with facts. YOU have no answer and try and deflect. Here is your ideological far left rabid wealth redistributor Marxist/Socialist president who is an economic illiterate, and you can't defend what he just said! Did you hear the man say that that prices would "necessarily skyrocket", because I sure as hell did! How about you?! So much for showing any compassion for the poor and elderly in this country. When some little old lady freezes to death in Duluth, Minn. because she can no longer afford her "skyrocketing" natural gas prices at least you can feel good about the fact that you, and idiots like you did something that made absolutely zero impact on the climate! Hooray for you!



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Little old men and little old ladies die every year because of heat and cold, and it is going to get worse in the coming years. And lots of them died from little ole H2O in New Orleans while your hero was attending a birthday party (he loves birthday parties, always has. Cake, party hats, whats not to like).

You obviously believe I'm not a critical thinker, because I don't agree with Rush's talking points. So be it.
You apparently believe you are a critical thinker, because you get your science updates from financial people.

Bottom line, we'll see how the masses view all of this come 2010. You really should stop worrying, because you have stated that already know the Dems will be voted out in droves. Then we can get back to the direction of the country circa late 2007, the good ole days.

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Biden also praised Tim Kaine as the "great governor of New Jersey."

One problem: Tim Kaine's not governor of New Jersey.




He got confused with Tom Kean (pronounced Kayne), who indeed is former governor of New Jersey, and also first Homeland Security secretary or anti-terrorism czar or something like that.

Typical Biden.  What's your point?






I know really, you'd think these guys never saw a Republican make a mistake... and calling out biden on flubs is like making fun of a person in a wheelchair b/c they can't walk....
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Zack wrote on Jun 27th, 2009 at 11:58am:
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Biden also praised Tim Kaine as the "great governor of New Jersey."

One problem: Tim Kaine's not governor of New Jersey.




He got confused with Tom Kean (pronounced Kayne), who indeed is former governor of New Jersey, and also first Homeland Security secretary or anti-terrorism czar or something like that.

Typical Biden.  What's your point?






I know really, you'd think these guys never saw a Republican make a mistake... and calling out biden on flubs is like making fun of a person in a wheelchair b/c they can't walk....



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Ha - you libs are actually defending the idiot racist Biden!

A new low!

You can't even admit that he is a moron!

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I think Biden is fair game. He does put his foot in his mouth quite often.
The bit about the flu virus was great advice, but apparently not what the administration wanted out there. Still, it's what I would say to family and friends . . .

Still happy he's VP myself, but he will continue to provide fodder.


Off to see Wilco in a bit. Festival seating, and want a good spot to record from.
They're also streaming the show, so looks like I'll get to make another matrix (my 3rd).

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I think Biden is fair game. He does put his foot in his mouth quite often.
The bit about the flu virus was great advice, but apparently not what the administration wanted out there. Still, it's what I would say to family and friends . . .

Still happy he's VP myself, but he will continue to provide fodder.


Off to see Wilco in a bit. Festival seating, and want a good spot to record from.
They're also streaming the show, so looks like I'll get to make another matrix (my 3rd).

http://wilcoworld.net/roadcase/berkeley_pre.php


Good luck with that! Just saw Nels Cline with Scarnella a few weeks ago performing a live soundtrack to Laugh Clown Laugh.

Last night I showed up to my gig way early but my usual spot was taken and it was already crowded enough that I couldn't stake out a few inches of steady surface to eat off of (the Redwood has great food). I centered off and it was pretty wild. For the first 20 minutes this fat chick kept slamming into me. I used to be open to any and all possibilities but after last night's experience I don't think I could ever have a fat girlfriend.
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A battle in the war on drugs nearly won until the damn meddling defense attorneys ruined it!

Damn defense attorneys!

Suspects Turns Tables on NYPD
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When undercover detectives busted Jose and Maximo Colon last year for selling cocaine at a seedy club in Queens, there was a glaring problem: The brothers hadn't done anything wrong.

But proclaiming innocence wasn't going to be good enough. The Dominican immigrants needed proof.

"I sat in the jail and thought ... how could I prove this? What could I do?" Jose, 24, recalled in Spanish during a recent interview.

As he glanced around a holding cell, the answer came to him: Security cameras. Since then, a vindicating video from the club's cameras has spared the brothers a possible prison term, resulted in two officers' arrest and become the basis for a multimillion-dollar lawsuit.

The officers, who are due back in court June 26, have pleaded not guilty, and New York Police Department officials have downplayed their case.

But the drug corruption case isn't alone.

On May 13, another NYPD officer was arrested for plotting to invade a Manhattan apartment where he hoped to steal $900,000 in drug money. In another pending case, prosecutors in Brooklyn say officers were caught in a 2007 sting using seized drugs to reward a snitch for information. And in the Bronx, prosecutors have charged a detective with lying about a drug bust captured on a surveillance tape that contradicts her story.

Elsewhere, Philadelphia prosecutors dismissed more than a dozen drug and gun charges against a man last month when a narcotics officer was accused of making up information on search warrants.

The revelations in New York have triggered internal affairs inquiries, transfers of commanders and reviews of dozens of other arrests involving the accused officers. Many drug defendants' cases have been tossed out. Others have won favorable plea deals.

The misconduct "strikes at the very heart of our system of justice and erodes public confidence in our courts," said Bronx District Attorney Robert Johnson.

Despite the fallout, authorities describe the corruption allegations as aberrations in a city where officers daily make hundreds of drugs arrests that routinely hold up in court. They also note none of the cases involved accusations of organized crews of officers using their badges to steal or extort drugs or money for personal gain - the story line of full-blown corruption scandals from bygone eras.

Peter Moskos, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, agrees the majority of narcotics officers probably are clean. But he also believes the city's unending war on drugs will always invite corruption by some who don't think twice about framing suspects they're convinced are guilty anyway.

"Drugs are a dirty game," Moskos said. "Once you realize it's a game, then you start playing with the rules to win the game."

Just ask the Colon brothers.

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The brothers' evening started much like any other.

Max's friend worked at a bodega down the street from Delicias de Mi Tierra, where they'd sometimes drink and play pool in the evenings. This night, the pool table was closed. They instead sat at the bar. Security cameras ended up filming their every move.

The brothers barely moved from the same spot for about 90 minutes as the undercovers entered the bar and mixed with the crowd. Moments after the officers left, a backup team barged in and grabbed six men, including the brothers.

Paperwork signed by "UC 13200" - Officer Henry Tavarez - claimed that he told a patron he wanted to buy cocaine. By his account, that man responded by approaching the 28-year-old Max, who then went over to the undercover and demanded to pat him down to make sure he wasn't wearing a wire.

Max collected $100 from Tavarez, the report said. The officer claimed to see two bags of cocaine pass through the hands of three men, including Jose, before they were given to him.

Jose was released after a court appearance. His brother was shipped off to Riker's Island until he could make bail.

"I was scared," Max said of his time at Rikers. "I don't get into trouble, and here I am with real criminals."

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The moment Jose walked out of the holding cell, he made a beeline for Delicias and asked for a copy of the security tapes from the night they were arrested, Jan. 4, 2008.

"I knew it would be the only way to defend myself, because I knew the police would not believe me," he said.

The owner of Delicias queued up the tapes and the two waded through an entire day's worth of surveillance - until they found the two hours the men spent in the club that night - supposedly selling drugs.

Jose quickly got the tape to defense attorney Rochelle Berliner, a former narcotics prosecutor. She couldn't believe what she was seeing.

"I almost threw up," she said. "Because I must've prosecuted 1,500, 2,000 drug cases ... and all felonies. And I think back, Oh my God, I believed everything everyone told me. Maybe a handful of times did something not sound right to me. I don't mean to sound overly dramatic but I was like, sick."

What the tape doesn't show is striking: At no point did the officers interact with the undercovers, nor did the brothers appear to be involved in a drug deal with anyone else. Adding insult to injury, an outside camera taped the undercovers literally dancing down the street.

Berliner handed the tape over to the District Attorney's integrity unit. It reviewed the images more than 100 times to make sure it wasn't doctored by the defense before deciding to drop all charges against the brothers in June.

Six months later, Officer Tavarez and Detective Stephen Anderson pleaded not guilty to drug dealing and multiple other charges that their lawyers say were overblown.

Anderson's attorney has described him as a seasoned investigator who had no reason to make a false arrest. Tavarez, his attorney said, was a novice undercover merely along for the ride.

___

Life quickly deteriorated for Max and Jose after their arrest.

They owned a successful convenience store in Jackson Heights, but lost their license to sell tobacco, alcohol and lottery tickets. The store closed a week before their case was dismissed.

"My life changed completely," Jose said. "I had a life before, and I have a different existence now. ... Now, I'm not able to afford to live in my own house or care for my children."

Jose has found construction work, while Max commutes two hours to Philadelphia to work at a relative's bodega. They stay away from the old neighborhood, where they say ugly rumors about them persist.

The brothers have filed a $10 million false arrest lawsuit against the police department, the officers involved and the city.

"I'm angry because, why'd it happen to me? I know a lot of people ... they don't go the right way and they can get away with it," Max said. "I'm young and I try to go the right way and boom, this happened to me. So I'm angry with life, too."



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