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Not a big fan of their food, too much pork.

Beautiful cities though. I'd prefer Italy, awesome food, beautiful cities.

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:30pm:




I have seen so much evidence to the contrary, it would be tough to sway me at this point. If Gore himself said "I was wrong", it wouldn't move me a bit. He came in pretty late to the concept, and why it's not more of a focal point of the way forward is beyond me.

CO2 absorbs heat, heat that would normally escape. The troposphere is such a small part of our atmosphere, yet we are filling it up with crap from our factories at an alarming rate. Without this this thin layer of oxygen that supports ALL life on Earth, we're doomed. The Earth would eventually recover (it has before), but it's very possible that humans won't be a part of what survives, as ingenious as we are. Once plants start going, it gets pretty grim and canned food won't get us past this. It's happened many times in the past 4.6 billion years. It will happen again, even if humans never came to supremacy and started our blind ambitions.

I don't think this will happen in my lifetime, probably more than a few generations away, but it will happen if we continue.

Why do we continue? Greed. It's in our genes to compete for survival. All animals compete for survival. Billions of years of this competition. Human endeavors (like business) follow this same pattern.

This may sound like crazy liberal BS, but it's not. Competition to survive long enough to reproduce is what life on Earth is all about.
Most don't even know of this motivation. Look at the animal world, it's all there. And we are merely highly evolved animals.

Gloomy forecast, maybe. Too much information, probably. Truth, yep.  (I was channeling Rumsfield there)

2000monkey wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 8:17pm:



From the Grand Coulee Dam, to the Capitol.
(LOVE that line)

What a fabulous song, and album.

C. S. Lewis wrote the Screwtape Letters. I don't see much difference attitudinally between evangelicals & Algore types. It's just a different religion.

From today's WSJ:

Steve Fielding recently asked the Obama administration to reassure him on the science of man-made global warming. When the administration proved unhelpful, Mr. Fielding decided to vote against climate-change legislation.

If you haven't heard of this politician, it's because he's a member of the Australian Senate. As the U.S. House of Representatives prepares to pass a climate-change bill, the Australian Parliament is preparing to kill its own country's carbon-emissions scheme. Why? A growing number of Australian politicians, scientists and citizens once again doubt the science of human-caused global warming.

Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as "deniers." The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S.

In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country's new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country's weeks-old cap-and-trade program.

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak "frankly" of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history." Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the "new religion." A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.)

nankerphelge wrote on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 9:40am:




Bam! Well there you go funman! How are you going to argue that? Only the most brainwashed amongst us believe in the hype about human causation. The evidence is pouring in that the solar cycle is what accounts for 99.99999.....% of all climatic change. So I guess the real purpose that this bill is being pushed at break-neck speed is because the science is so damned faulty that Barry wants the legislation to get rammed through before any of us have a chance to understand the true impact that it will have on our day to day lives. You, and those drones like you, would happily give up your rights to a lifestyle that is the envy of the world just so you can feel good about doing something. Even if that something is inconsequential. The problem with that is that you are forcing those of us that know the truth about this hoax to take a bite a bite out of the same shit sandwich that you happily gobble up. Thank you, no.


Riffy

"You will thank me later, I can assure you."

I can assure you that we won't.
The liberal alarmism over climate change is borderline psychotic and if this Crap and Tirade bill passes, it will do nothing but increase prices on just about everything, and probably do little to nothing to help the climate.

God, in the 1950s, the John Birch Society was demonized for suggesting that the climate was being manipulated.  Now you libs treat it like gospel.

See a shrink.
Quickly!

"As the House Speaker, I am here to tell you that when we pass this climate bill, each and every American will feel the effects.  Similar to me shoving my fist up your collective asses like some rough German porn movie"

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090626/capt.93ecfad87cfd446784eaf06a3d8b44a1.climate_...

fuman wrote on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 12:24pm:




Yeah whatever drone. Here's what I have surmised about you. You claim that you don't hate Christians, but you slam their beliefs as idiotic. Of course you completely ignore the fact that Christians, and more importantly conservative Christians, contribute to charity more than any other group on the face of the earth. Liberals? Not so much! Liberals have no problem whatsoever forcing the tax payer up the cash, but they very seldom willingly give it up to charities of their own accord.


You slam people that don't believe in the hoax of human caused global warming as being deniers, but then you just casually dismiss any, and all evidence that proves it's a hoax! So you would happily ignore the massive boatload of evidence that proves the hoax, and the scientists that know way more about this subject than you do while at the same time believing in politicians who have zero education in the subject.


So you deny Christianity as crap, and then jump in with both feet into the religion of Man Made Global Warming.


You are a drone, and I won't stop calling you one anytime soon. A drone is someone who refuses to look at the evidence and evaluate it from a non-biased perspective. You can't, and won't do that. Thus you are a DRONE! Deal with it.



Riffy

fuman wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 9:10pm:

funman, what about the idea that energy never dies it just changes form. There's gotta be at least SOME possibility that something survives death.

Riffhard wrote on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 1:04pm:



I have to step in here.  I find it hilarious, yet nauseating, that Mr. Riffhard, of all people, is claiming Me as being on his side.  Far from it.

Mr. Riffhard, you and your slightly smarter associate Mr. Nankerphelge have argued against Me in favor of torture, pre-emptive war, and a host of other decidedly anti-Christian activities. I think you MIGHT even be self-righteous enough not to see the absurd humour in saying "F*ck you Jesus!" while arguing that waterboarding is not torture.

"You claim that you don't hate Christians, but you slam their beliefs as idiotic. "

If My beliefs could be summed up in one sentence, it would be: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You know, the whole "turn the other cheek" thing.  It's not a footnote. It's the foundation of all of My teachings.

Do YOU live by that rule? Do you advocate that America, as a Christian nation, should also live by that rule? Or would you say that this is an idiotic belief?

No "but"s, please.  No equivocation. A simple yes or no.

"Of course you completely ignore the fact that Christians, and more importantly conservative Christians, contribute to charity more than any other group on the face of the earth. Liberals? Not so much!"

Please provide the evidence which proves this "fact".  Donations to the GOP do not count as charity. And, by the way, who brought that up in the first place? Where is Mr. Nankerphelge and his Strawman detector?

2000monkey wrote on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 3:37pm:


Whatever happens after we die, happens to all living things (plants, animals, bacteria, etc). That's what I believe anyway.


Ok, I would like to sincerely apologize for my God tirade. I certainly know better, but this time it got the better of me.

We all can believe what we choose to believe, and if I didn't mention it before, religion does provide some value, IMO of course.

2000monkey wrote on Jun 26^th, 2009 at 3:37pm:



something survives death... what does that mean? lol!