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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5575 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:02pm

ijwthstd wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 1:59pm:

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 1:55pm:

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When I was in Spain, I saw tons of wind turbines & solar panels covering whatever terrain wasn't covered by olive trees or sunflower farms. It really was quite a sight. I thought it'd be nice if we could do that. But then I read today that the program hasn't helped Spain & jobs in Spain decreased despite a promised increase in employment because of green energy. Now, I still think it'd be great to harness the wind & the sun as much as possible but we have to watch the cost.

Bottom line is that the US, as well as the rest of world, is still an oil driven economy and society. All of these feel good Eco plans won't change that. And Barry's penalizing the oil industry and the consumers of fossil fuel (read-every single person alive) will not change that fact, but he could very well, and will, do great damage to our way of life. Such is the cost of redistributing wealth.

Riffy

I have left less of a footprint than people who claim to care about the environment. How I can sell some carbon credits? I am going to start burning my garbage unless someone coughs up some cash.

"How I can sell?" How you can write?

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5576 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:08pm

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ijwthstd wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 1:59pm:

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 1:55pm:

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When I was in Spain, I saw tons of wind turbines & solar panels covering whatever terrain wasn't covered by olive trees or sunflower farms. It really was quite a sight. I thought it'd be nice if we could do that. But then I read today that the program hasn't helped Spain & jobs in Spain decreased despite a promised increase in employment because of green energy. Now, I still think it'd be great to harness the wind & the sun as much as possible but we have to watch the cost.

Bottom line is that the US, as well as the rest of world, is still an oil driven economy and society. All of these feel good Eco plans won't change that. And Barry's penalizing the oil industry and the consumers of fossil fuel (read-every single person alive) will not change that fact, but he could very well, and will, do great damage to our way of life. Such is the cost of redistributing wealth.

Riffy

I have left less of a footprint than people who claim to care about the environment. How I can sell some carbon credits? I am going to start burning my garbage unless someone coughs up some cash.

"How I can sell?" How you can write?

If only I had a politically powerful father and wealthy benefactors, a little dyslexia wouldn't stop me from going all the way to the top. And at least half the sheeple would defend me for it.

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Obama elected President Reply #5577 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:12pm Point taken, Obalama has done so much with very, very little. If you want, $5 is coming your way!
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5578 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:14pm

ijwthstd wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 1:59pm:

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 1:55pm:

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When I was in Spain, I saw tons of wind turbines & solar panels covering whatever terrain wasn't covered by olive trees or sunflower farms. It really was quite a sight. I thought it'd be nice if we could do that. But then I read today that the program hasn't helped Spain & jobs in Spain decreased despite a promised increase in employment because of green energy. Now, I still think it'd be great to harness the wind & the sun as much as possible but we have to watch the cost.

Bottom line is that the US, as well as the rest of world, is still an oil driven economy and society. All of these feel good Eco plans won't change that. And Barry's penalizing the oil industry and the consumers of fossil fuel (read-every single person alive) will not change that fact, but he could very well, and will, do great damage to our way of life. Such is the cost of redistributing wealth.

Riffy

I have left less of a footprint than people who claim to care about the environment. How I can sell some carbon credits? I am going to start burning my garbage unless someone coughs up some cash.

I can understand what you're trying to express here ijwthstd.

I have a friend in San Fran that I believe to have the lowest carbon footprint of any individual in the state. It's truly amazing, his operation. It's not because he cares so much about the issue, but rather because he's strapped for money.

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Obama elected President Reply #5579 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:21pm Well, I'm sure his footprint will be even smaller in the future.
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glencar Ex Member	Re: Obama elected President Reply #5581 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:33pm No loss, frankly. It's gotten unwieldy. And some people who don't even post in any Stones threads come here just to offend.
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5582 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:55pm

This article from the WSJ puts a pretty fine point on the whole sham that is cap and trade. By trying to sell a gullible American public into believing that this will save the planet from irreparable harm Democrats are trying to levy the largest tax in US history, but hey, don't take my word for it, just read the article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html

Oh, and funman. I know that you have a hard time following the logic of Dems deliberatly wanting to raise the cost of fuel, so I have decided to lift this quote directly from the above article just in case you refuse to read the entire article.

Here---> "The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars."

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5584 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 4:32pm

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:55pm:

This article from the WSJ puts a pretty fine point on the whole sham that is cap and trade. By trying to sell a gullible American public into believing that this will save the planet from irreparable harm Democrats are trying to levy the largest tax in US history, but hey, don't take my word for it, just read the article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html

Oh, and funman. I know that you have a hard time following the logic of Dems deliberatly wanting to raise the cost of fuel, so I have decided to lift this quote directly from the above article just in case you refuse to read the entire article.

Here---> "The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars."

Riffy

Well, you're correct in the assumption that I wouldn't read the entire article.

I disagree that the Dems want the price of energy to increase so that they can somehow gather more political power or tax revenue.

I side with the concept that when industry is faced with more expensive energy costs, finally we will see innovation regarding decreasing the pollution associated with electricity generation (and other industries), and it will be the free market that makes it happen.

All of the opposition is again, large companies not wanting to lose one cent of their profit (and anybody they can sway).

My bottom line on this is that I'm for whatever lessens the pollution. That's where my vote will be cast. The squandering of the Earth's resources for the profit for a few has to stop, IMO. All of this should have started in the '70's. We knew, but didn't properly address it back then.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5586 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 5:26pm

fuman wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 4:32pm:

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:55pm:

This article from the WSJ puts a pretty fine point on the whole sham that is cap and trade. By trying to sell a gullible American public into believing that this will save the planet from irreparable harm Democrats are trying to levy the largest tax in US history, but hey, don't take my word for it, just read the article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html

Oh, and funman. I know that you have a hard time following the logic of Dems deliberatly wanting to raise the cost of fuel, so I have decided to lift this quote directly from the above article just in case you refuse to read the entire article.

Here---> "The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars."

Riffy

Well, you're correct in the assumption that I wouldn't read the entire article.

I disagree that the Dems want the price of energy to increase so that they can somehow gather more political power or tax revenue.

I side with the concept that when industry is faced with more expensive energy costs, finally we will see innovation regarding decreasing the pollution associated with electricity generation (and other industries), and it will be the free market that makes it happen.

All of the opposition is again, large companies not wanting to lose one cent of their profit (and anybody they can sway).

My bottom line on this is that I'm for whatever lessens the pollution. That's where my vote will be cast. The squandering of the Earth's resources for the profit for a few has to stop, IMO. All of this should have started in the '70's. We knew, but didn't properly address it back then.

So your saying that any scientist that refutes the whole global warming hoax is in the pocket of "big business". Yet at the same time you put all your faith in the insane tax hiking bills put forth by liberal politicians that are, themselves, not scientists? Wow!

Here you look like need some......

Riffy

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Obama elected President Reply #5587 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 5:33pm I have read that those in the alternative energy field have deep ties to Obamadrones. Ergo those who have interest in gaining money will give money to gain more money. Lobbyists don't just work for "corporate" America.
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5588 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 5:53pm

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I have read that those in the alternative energy field have deep ties to Obamadrones. Ergo those who have interest in gaining money will give money to gain more money. Lobbyists don't just work for "corporate" America.

Sure, of course. I agree that there are progressive lobbyist's trying to influence the outcome.

Again, even if they're in it ONLY for the profit, it is the direction I want to see things go.

We need to clean things up, rather than rape the land for quick profit, IMO.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5590 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:07pm

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2000monkey wrote on Jun 24^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

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Don't worry about it, cupcake. Just make sure you keep sucking on that Obalama teat.

So in other words you can't back up your thinly veiled lame attempts at racist humor. Idiot.

I fail to see racism in my posts, asshole. Back up your allegations or go to back your fuckwit board.

Ha , you can't even effectively sidestep the issue, silly twat.

I don't "sidestep" anything, you asshole. DON'T CALL ME A RACIST! You got that?

Forget your racist slurs against the president. What's the deal with your vile hatred of Michelle Obama's body? What's THAT all about? The newly emerging moose wing of your political affliliation wants to know!

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5591 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:19pm

OK, so you admit that calling me a racist was just a game? You really are something else. Please stop the games. If you want to discuss politics, fine. All I see you doing is assigning certain posters to various wings of the GOP. Or else decrying someone's linking of articles. You really never have attempted to defend Obalama other than saying he has high approval rates. 4th rate might cut it at GasX but we have a slightly higher standard here.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5592 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:19pm

fuman wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 5:53pm:

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I have read that those in the alternative energy field have deep ties to Obamadrones. Ergo those who have interest in gaining money will give money to gain more money. Lobbyists don't just work for "corporate" America.

Sure, of course. I agree that there are progressive lobbyist's trying to influence the outcome.

Again, even if they're in it ONLY for the profit, it is the direction I want to see things go.

We need to clean things up, rather than rape the land for quick profit, IMO.

You should go to Spain. If you don't mind adding to your carbon footprint...

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5593 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:26pm

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 5:26pm:

fuman wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 4:32pm:

Riffhard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2009 at 2:55pm:

This article from the WSJ puts a pretty fine point on the whole sham that is cap and trade. By trying to sell a gullible American public into believing that this will save the planet from irreparable harm Democrats are trying to levy the largest tax in US history, but hey, don't take my word for it, just read the article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html

Oh, and funman. I know that you have a hard time following the logic of Dems deliberatly wanting to raise the cost of fuel, so I have decided to lift this quote directly from the above article just in case you refuse to read the entire article.

Here---> "The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars."

Riffy

Well, you're correct in the assumption that I wouldn't read the entire article.

I disagree that the Dems want the price of energy to increase so that they can somehow gather more political power or tax revenue.

I side with the concept that when industry is faced with more expensive energy costs, finally we will see innovation regarding decreasing the pollution associated with electricity generation (and other industries), and it will be the free market that makes it happen.

All of the opposition is again, large companies not wanting to lose one cent of their profit (and anybody they can sway).

My bottom line on this is that I'm for whatever lessens the pollution. That's where my vote will be cast. The squandering of the Earth's resources for the profit for a few has to stop, IMO. All of this should have started in the '70's. We knew, but didn't properly address it back then.

So your saying that any scientist that refutes the whole global warming hoax is in the pocket of "big business". Yet at the same time you put all your faith in the insane tax hiking bills put forth by liberal politicians that are, themselves, not scientists? Wow!

Here you look like need some......

Riffy

That is not what I was saying. Progressive pols are echoing what I have read, watched, and witnessed.

I'm for whatever it takes to begin a new direction.

By the way, here's a wacky librul comment for ya.

The reason we stay on oil, putting aside the easy profits, is because if we don't burn MORE than our fair share, other nations would have access to that energy and we can't allow their economies to out grow ours.

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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5594 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:27pm

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OK, so you admit that calling me a racist was just a game? You really are something else. Please stop the games. If you want to discuss politics, fine. All I see you doing is assigning certain posters to various wings of the GOP. Or else decrying someone's linking of articles. You really never have attempted to defend Obalama other than saying he has high approval rates. 4th rate might cut it at GasX but we have a slightly higher standard here.

Of course not. You know what you said but are too chickenshit to even repeat it. Don't pretend as though you get on here and discuss politics. So what is the deal with your sexual and ethnic animosites against the Obamas?

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Reply #5595 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:30pm

Hey funman I'm not trying to personally insult you, but I've got to be honest I have never seen such blatant disregard for the scientific data that proves unequivically that Co2 is inconsequential with regards to our climate! Yet you're ready to destroy the economy in the name of a sham! If you would prove to me that you know the whole story, fine. Make your case. In the meantime here's the words of Office of Management and Budget to the EPA that show just how devastating this bill would be to our way of life. Will you read it? Probably not. It's a non-partisan report that destroys the notion of this bill being a "jobs creator", which is what Barry had the gall to claim today!

Here, read this, and then make your case!

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_i...

Saul Alinsky said years ago in Rules For Radicals, and I paraophrase here,-"When you can rally the poulace on a topic as simple as pollution you can effect change of an entire society."

That is what is going on here funman! This admnistration is trying to reorganize our entire society, and you just happily go along with it.

Read the article! Learn!

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Obama elected President Reply #5596 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:31pm So you're nothing but a little game player? Well, play with someone else. G-assX must be really dull these days.
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #5597 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 6:38pm

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So you're nothing but a little game player? Well, play with someone else. G-assX must be really dull these days.

Ha, you called me out, old cock but obviously you have no game. Pathetic. I've been here since this joint opened in the B2B days. Why the heck would I leave because some miserable wretch can't defend his racist misogyny ? Ouch!

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Obama elected President Reply #5598 - Jun 25^th, 2009 at 8:08pm Idiot wind...
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