Right now Obama is mailing the framed photo of Nolan Ryan that was hung in the Lincoln Bedroom back to its rightful owner.

Right now Obama is wire tapping Chaney's calls to Haliburton

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8 years dude

"Some might dispute that. But feel free to go over there and come back with a personal report."

I don't need to go to Iraq to know that the country is far better off than it was under Saddam.
You ought to try pulling your head out of your ass and taking a look around!

"But did any real bargaining take place? "

The very timeline you posted shows the bargaining that took place after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq.
Did it result in North Korea capitulating?  No, but it reinforces the point that you need to be tough with North Korea before they begin the bargaining process.  Will North Korea go back to the bargaining table now that Obama has a toothless UN resolution to wave at them?  How about if we set up a blockade or start confronting their ships? 

As for Libya being a joke:

"Thursday, March 4, 2004
LONDON – Preliminary inspections of Libya's nuclear weapons developments have shocked western intelligence services.

A report by the International Atomic Energy Agency has concluded that the scale of Libya's nuclear weapons program far exceeded assessments by the CIA, which concluded that Tripoli did not have the technical expertise to conduct a nuclear program.

The IAEA report determined that the regime of Moammar Khaddafy succeeded in separating plutonium and enriching uranium. Furthermore, the report continued, Libya accumulated a significant amount of technical knowledge regarding the key elements required for the production of nuclear weapons assembly.

On Tuesday, Libyan ruler Moammar Khaddafy acknowledged that he maintained a secret nuclear weapons program, Middle East Newsline reported.

The 10-page report by the agency asserted that Libya began its nuclear program at least 25 years ago.

Diplomatic sources who read the report said the IAEA has concluded that Libya was preparing to receive a uranium enrichment plant meant to produce fuel for the assembly of several nuclear bombs a year. They said Libya had purchased a complete facility, including gas centrifuges.

The IAEA, which inspected 18 sites, said Libya drafted plans to accelerate its nuclear weapons program. The agency said Libya ordered 10,000 gas centrifuges through the international black market headed by Pakistani government scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan."

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"Ally" or not, and regardless of when they came into existence (1980's) I find Pakistan's nukes a lot more troubling than most of the other countries discussed.

Obalama is a dipshit.

nankerphelge wrote on Jun 24^th, 2009 at 3:18pm:


Don't patronize me, you dim-witted copying-n-pasting, talking points regurgitating fucktard. Excepting the Iran-Iraq war, it is a much more violent place in the past few years than there was in the 1980's or 1990's. Whether that's good or bad I guess I will leave to your interpretation. Since it doesn't directly affect you, and the next generation is stuck with the bill, it's all hunky dory I suppose.

I guess the 2 other Chickenhawks here with a pre-adolescent emotional investment in the whole fiasco will be along shorty with feelgood anecdotal stories from their backchannel connections.

If anyone shouldn't be patronized, it's you. You always come up with cogent posts that everyone can agree with.

ijwthstd wrote on Jun 24^th, 2009 at 3:36pm:

Troubling, yes, but less troubling than an Islamic country that hates us & has threatened our existence. Or a hermetic Commie dictatorship which is threatening Hawaii.

Why is there the idea out there that to oppose the dipshit is to be a racist? Rush opposes him because he's a socialist bent on changing this country into Sweden. Which BTW has a ton of racists!

nankerphelge wrote on Jun 24^th, 2009 at 3:18pm:


Wait...was THAT the reason we went to war in Iraq? So that they would eventually be better off?

The tens of thousands (a conservative estimate) of Iraqis we accidentally killed along the way might disagree.

The tens of thousands more who were killed during the civil war we facilitated might disagree also.

The Americans who signed up for military service because of the non-existent WMDs and the fictional al Qeda connection, but who instead got killed or crippled so that Iraq could be "far better off", or got killed in the crossfire during the afore-mentioned civil war, might harbor some hidden resentment.

Some might say (to use a favored Fox News equivocation) that blowing the place up and taking six years to do a half-assed job of rebuilding it is nothing to brag about.



But THIS kid did get some free candy, so yeah, you're right.

Kudos for not making any homosexual references in that post, btw.

mccain is at DENNYS counting his change after having a senior dinner special

mojoman wrote on Jun 24^th, 2009 at 3:57pm:

I favored McCain in 2000 & 2008. Too bad he ran the worst campaign since Dukakis.