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naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Reply #525 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 8:55am
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sirmoonie wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 8:24am:
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We've added an S to our initials thanks to Dubya, the socialist!!!


United Socialist States of America...


In case you were sleeping in your lifetime, and missed out reading books and being all naive and stupid.... If you pay income tax, if you beleive the system used in the U.S.S.A. to collect the income tax is anything besides a socialist system, then you haven't read enough books, and the socialist education system has failed you.

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And, your point is?

I think his point was, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, that 8 years of George Walker Bush III has turned the country into a massive socialist paradise of Fat government.  It will be hard to correct any of that in the short term, or even the long term.  Or probably ever.  See No. 4 on the Bush Geek List - ""The government is the only institution patient enough to buy these assets at their current low prices and hold them until their prices return to normal."  That's a bunch of retardicalism - even George Walker Bush III knows the government is not in the bizz of selling stuff it paid taxpayer money for.  He flat out lied to the public when he made that statement, which was ludicrous enough on its face to begin with.

Is that what you were talking about PDoog?





kinda... Certain forms of our government have been socialist or socialized from the begining and shaped from prior attempts to have free forms of self government. Examples, like schools, mail, fire and police, public works projects like roads... and we pay taxes for these. However the federal income tax system was a huge move to redistibute wealth, and it benefited bankers and private finanacial institutions, since the Fed Res. and the IRS aren't actually part of our govt. They work outside and are not regulated or under any laws or rules of accountabilty. And Yes, the recent moves by Bush, has taken us much farther, much deeper and into very dangerous areas, more like communism, but not totally it is very unique IMO, than even just socialism in the form of a bailout, more like fascism, since industry (money, banks, credit, finance) are all be melded into and becoming part of our government to a much larger extent. The important thing, for people to take into account, is that banks are already controling this same money, we are now giving bck to them to supposedly help them. And certain elements of the recent redistribution of wealth, leave the money in the hands of a few, not accountable to the people of the U.S., to do with what they want, with no accountabilty or consequences for their decisions...
So what we have here, is a hybrid of sorts, of this faux free market capitilism... which has run amok. We have these socialist elements which have always existed, because people created governments to run things like a post office for example. Both are good and work well together, until. (Cue scarey music), you allow banks to run your Federal Reserve and tax system, then you have Fascist elements creeping in, and when they, a beast unlike no other, hold the middle class hostage, they use the socialist aspects of government, to take advantage of their already powerful hold on the money, and grab more power and control from the Peoples Government, it is ours, in case you forgot (and this is what the so called Marxist Revolutionaries like Saul Alinsky, and me, talk about fighting to take back). So you have this faux Capi-Social thing going on, but right under the surface is looming this powerful Fasci-Commie system. IMO niether party is exempt from creating this, in fact, they don't even realize it, it is so ingrained in the system. however, the last 8 yrs, with wars, tax breaks benefiting huge corporations and the extremely wealthy disproportiantely from the  lower incomes and middle class, and now this huge movement of money and melding of govt. is the worst thing since the creation of the IRS and every war the U.S. has been involved with.
That's my motherfucking point... Take it with a grain of salt, I'm only 8th grade educated, and I've been told I'm stupid, and don't read enough... If you believe in nothing, you will fall for anything!!!
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Drinking and posting is one thing. But please,no drinking and voting:

For a brief moment on Friday, Albuquerque police officers wondered if it was illegal to drink and vote. Why? A woman had passed out while casting her ballot at an early voting site. Bernalillo County Clerk Maggie Toulouse Oliver doesn't know if the woman completed her ballot - she was subsequently transported by ambulance to a local hospital, which has no record of admitting her - but said it will be counted.

Poll workers called police after the woman began yelling and screaming at them. When the officers arrived, she had lost consciousness with a bottle of vodka tucked into her waistband. A little checking determined that it was not illegal to be drunk when casting a ballot, but election laws do prohibit liquor at voting sites and creating a disturbance. Charges have not been filed.

"No one knew if this was illegal; we've never dealt with this before," says Nadine Hamby, a police spokeswoman. Lawmakers apparently didn't think this would be a problem either, figuring they addressed it by restricting Election-Day liquor sales until after the polls close. They hadn't anticipated what early voters might do. Because the woman had passed out before inserting her ballot into an electronic tabulator, her vote will be hand counted. Her political affiliation is not known
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Why the economy fares much better under Democrats
On job and income growth, the record couldn't be clearer.
By Larry M. Bartels
from the October 21, 2008 edition
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Princeton, N.J. - John McCain is a maverick and Barack Obama is a postpartisan problem-solver. But you wouldn't know it by looking at their economic plans. Both candidates' proposals faithfully reflect the traditional economic priorities of their respective parties. That makes the track records of past Democratic and Republican administrations a very useful benchmark for assessing how the economy might perform under a President McCain or a President Obama. The bottom line: During the past 60 years, Democrats have presided over much less unemployment and much more robust income growth.

The $52.5 billion plan Senator McCain announced last week includes $36 billion in tax breaks for senior citizens withdrawing funds from retirement accounts and $10 billion for a reduction in the capital gains tax. Those are perks for investors, most of whom are relatively affluent. (McCain is also proposing a two-year suspension of taxes on unemployment benefits, but that's a fraction of the plan's cost.) He also favors broader tax cuts for businesses and wants to extend President Bush's massive tax cuts indefinitely, even for people earning more than $250,000 per year.

McCain's proposals reflect the traditional Republican emphasis on cutting taxes for businesses and wealthy people in hopes of stimulating investment – "trickle down" economics, as it came to be called during Ronald Reagan's administration. But will proposals of this sort really "stop and reverse the rise of unemployment" and "create millions of new jobs" as McCain has claimed? The historical record suggests not.

President Bush's multitrillion-dollar tax cuts, which were strongly tilted toward the rich, could not prevent (and may even have contributed to) significant job losses. On the other hand, when Bill Clinton raised taxes on affluent people to balance the federal budget (while significantly expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit for working poor people), unemployment declined substantially. Under Clinton's watch, 22 million jobs were created.

Prefer a broader historical comparison? In the past three decades, since the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries oil price shocks of the mid-1970s and the Republican turn toward "supply side" economics, the average unemployment rate under Republican presidents has been 6.7 percent – substantially higher than the 5.5 percent average under Democratic presidents. (The official unemployment rate takes no account of people who have given up looking for work or taken substantial pay cuts to stay in the labor force.) Over an even broader time period, since the late 1940s, unemployment has averaged 4.8 percent under Democratic presidents but 6.3 percent – almost one-third higher – under Republican presidents.

Lower unemployment under Democratic presidents has contributed substantially to the real incomes of middle-class and working poor families. Job losses hurt everyone – not just those without work. In fact, every percentage point of unemployment has the effect of reducing middle-class income growth by about $300 per family per year. And the effects are long term, unlike the temporary boost in income from a stimulus check. Compounded over an eight-year period, a persistent one-point difference in unemployment is worth about $10,000 to a middle-class family. The dollar values are smaller for working poor families, but in relative terms their incomes are even more sensitive to unemployment. In contrast, income growth for affluent people is much more sensitive to inflation, which has been a perennial target of Republican economic policies.

Although McCain portrays Senator Obama as a "job killing" tax-and-spend liberal, the new $60 billion plan Obama unveiled last week also has a tax break as its centerpiece – a tax break specifically tailored to create jobs by offering employers a $3,000 tax credit for each new hire over the next two years. Obama's proposal would also extend unemployment benefits by 13 weeks for those who remain jobless, as well as match McCain's in suspending taxes on unemployment benefits.

Obama's new proposal complements $115 billion in economic stimulus measures he had already announced, including $65 billion in direct rebates to taxpayers and $50 billion to help states jump-start spending on infrastructure projects. All of this is squarely in the tradition of Democratic presidents since John F. Kennedy, who have relied on public spending and tax breaks for working people to stimulate consumption and employment during economic downturns.

These and other policies have produced not only lower unemployment under Democratic presidents but also more economic output and income growth. In fact, over the past 60 years, the real incomes of middle-income families have grown about twice as fast under Democratic presidents as they have under Republican presidents. The partisan difference is even greater for working poor families, whose real incomes have grown six times as fast under Democratic presidents as they have under Republican presidents.

Of course, past performance is no guarantee of what will happen when the next president takes office. However, given the striking fidelity of both presidential candidates to their parties' traditional economic priorities, the profound impact of partisan politics on the economic fortunes of American families over more than half a century ought to weigh heavily in the minds of voters.

• Larry M. Bartels directs the Center for the Study of Democratic Politics in Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. He is the author of "Unequal Democracy: The Political Economy of the New Gilded Age."
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Reply #528 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 10:55pm
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Since we're posting articles here I figured I'd post an article that was not written by a partisan hack, Obamadrone, or a guy with an agenda. No, it's written by a Democrat in fact. He is fully calling out the media for ignoring the truth about The Marxist One, and for blatantly ignoring many truths that they have buried in order to get this asshat elected. Read it. You might actually learn something. Or you might continue to ignore this manchild's reality. What is it about Obamadrones that prevents them from accepting any negative truths about The Marxist One?



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Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
By Orson Scott Card

Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.

An open letter to the local daily paper — almost every local daily paper in America:

I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism.  You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.

This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere.  It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.

It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people.  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.

What is a risky loan?  It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.

The goal of this rule change was to help the poor — which especially would help members of minority groups.  But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay?  They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house — along with their credit rating.

They end up worse off than before.

This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it.  One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules.  The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.

Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans.  (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me.  It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)

Isn't there a story here?  Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout?  Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?

I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal.  "Housing-gate," no doubt.  Or "Fannie-gate."

Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.

As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled "Do Facts Matter?" ( http://snipurl.com/457townhall_com] ): "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago.  So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President.  So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury."

These are facts.  This financial crisis was completely preventable.  The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party.  The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.

Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie.  Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!

What?  It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?

Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.

And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.

If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an "adviser" to the Obama campaign — because that campaign had sought his advice — you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.

You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.

If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.

If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.

There are precedents.  Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension — so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link.  (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)

If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.

Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth.  That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.

But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie — that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans.  You have trained the American people to blame everything bad — even bad weather — on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.

If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth — even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.

Because that's what honorable people do.  Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences.  That's what honesty means .  That's how trust is earned.

Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one.  He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.

Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter — while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.

So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all?  Do you even know what honesty means?

Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?

You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women.  Who listens to NOW anymore?  We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.

That's where you are right now.

It's not too late.  You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.

Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis.  You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.

This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.

If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.

This article first appeared in The Rhinoceros Times of Greensboro, North Carolina, and is used here by permission.

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Reply #529 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 11:35pm
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Angry Sad Shocked Cool Kiss my undercover ass Boring post......Go ahead and post some more interesting articles Riffy...Or better yet...Just go for a walk man. Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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He's a nazi hearted smear machine growing ever more desperate....
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He's a nazi hearted smear machine growing ever more desperate....


You are such a douchebag Jizzstain. I merely post an article that cannot factually be refuted, and because you are such a mindless Obamadrone moron you attack the messenger. You must blow as a lawyer. Give me a few years to get a law degree and I'd wipe the floor with you in court ya stupid cocksucker.


Ok now, CaFuckoff!


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No matter who wins, there's going to be plenty of lawsuits and riots....especially if its a close election.
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Barack star: Obama's appeal likened to Jagger swagger, Denzel charm
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WASHINGTON — In the beginning, there was "Obama Girl," a young model who became an Internet sensation for her video "I Got a Crush on Obama."

Actress Scarlett Johansson followed, famously claiming - with some apparent hope - that she was engaged to the happily married Barack Obama. She eventually had Canadian actor Ryan Reynolds as her groom instead.

Barbara Walters gushed that the Democratic presidential nominee was "very sexy" when he appeared on "The View" in March.

More recently, onetime "Golden Girl" Betty White confessed to her own lust for the Illinois senator.

"That is one hot piece of man," the 86-year-old White told Craig Ferguson on "The Late Late Show." "If Barack Obama needs more experience, I could give it to him."

Women - young and old, famous and non-famous, and significant numbers of voters - seem to be collectively swooning over Obama. While it's his policies that have primarily attracted them, some haven't been shy about admitting they also find the tall, lanky and youthful Obama physically fetching.

"This is the single greatest photo in the history of American politics," one woman wrote on the Wonkette website this summer after it published a photograph of a buff Obama in a swimsuit on a Hawaiian beach.

Obama has consistently enjoyed a significant lead over his Republican rival, John McCain, among women voters. With female voters expected to outpace men by a staggering nine million this election, Obama's popularity among women - who report they like his stances on the economy and women's issues - is expected to be crucial.

Some of his female fans aren't just attracted to the pro-choice Obama's policies, however. They frequent the message boards of political websites, calling him "hot" and "stunning," and entire blogs are dedicated to him, including one that features nothing but photos of young Obama fans and images of him cuddling babies, entitled Yes We Can Hold Babies (http://yeswecanholdbabies.wordpress.com/).

"I swear to God, I ovulate every time I see a picture of him holding a baby," says Katherine Hamill, 25, a New York City actress who doesn't hesitate to make mention of her ardour when she comments on various blogs.

Hamill admits to a full-fledged crush on the 47-year-old Obama, but it's not all physical.

"In all seriousness, there's no denying Barack's an attractive man, but what really makes him hot to me are his policies - very pro-woman, very populist, so great on health care and the environment. Those things make him infinitely more attractive to me," she said in a recent interview.

"It's like finding this guy who cooks and cleans and is nice to your mother, who will also just happen to get us out of Iraq. And look at him during the debates - he was such a gentleman. My sister-in-law kept texting each other throughout the debates and telling each other how in love with him we are."

Jane Hall, a frequent Fox News pundit and associate communications professor at American University in Washington, D.C., compares Obama's allure to that of both John F. Kennedy and the suave, fictional spy James Bond - without the chronic womanizing.

"There are certainly parallels to JFK in terms of the appeal Kennedy had - he was handsome, he was young compared to Dwight D. Eisenhower, he had real charisma and was graceful and witty, much like Obama," Hall said.

"But I see parallels to James Bond as well - Obama is preternaturally cool and unflappable, and we like cool in our celebrities, and we like physically attractive people too. People are excited by his optimism and his looks and his personal manner, and he's moved totally into rock star category now."

As the 72-year-old McCain has complained, members of the media have apparently fallen under Obama's spell as well.

"Imagine the cool cred of a Steve McQueen, the black charisma of a Denzel Washington, the lean athleticism of a young Mick Jagger, and you have a politician made partly out of rock star and partly out of movie idol," journalist Dennis Ellman wrote recently in the British tabloid the Sunday Mirror.

"He's not just a terrific orator, he has sex appeal too ... tall, relaxed, supremely self-assured, he strides to the microphone, arms held loosely, head to one side, the top act about to kick off the show."

The Nation's JoAnn Wypijewski wrote this summer that Obama is a sex symbol for a new, younger generation of Americans - one that is colour-blind.

"If politically he now appears to be not substantively different from any other neoliberal, as a sex symbol he is the new man," she wrote.

"New, most plainly, because in his mingled blood those born since 1980 or so can see their future lovers and children, if they don't already see themselves. For this generation, interracial sex is a normal experience, still complicated but nothing that 60 per cent of them have not already entertained ... nothing more risky than love."
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  A Sci-Fi writer, who calls himself a Democrat and openly supports George/Bush...


This must be the Powell endorsemnt backlash... This is big, like Wilfred Bromley for McCain big!!!

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lotsajizz wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 4:52am:
He's a nazi hearted smear machine growing ever more desperate....


You are such a douchebag Jizzstain. I merely post an article that cannot factually be refuted, and because you are such a mindless Obamadrone moron you attack the messenger. You must blow as a lawyer. Give me a few years to get a law degree and I'd wipe the floor with you in court ya stupid cocksucker.


Ok now, CaFuckoff!


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While I do not agree that you posted an article that cannot be factually refuted (you posted an op-ed, by definition, not fact), I agree with your every right to smack down lotsajizz - I tried to warn his ass that the public had spoken and negative campaigning was no way to win an election.

I do find it interesting that you'd stand by the words of as eccentric and Free Market Hating a science fiction writer/journalist (and fellow NC'er - woot!) as Orson Scott Card, just because you happen to agree with this particular position.  I also found the op-ed very interesting.  Thanks for posting it.

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Pdog wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:28am:
 A Sci-Fi writer, who calls himself a Democrat and openly supports George/Bush...


This must be the Powell endorsemnt backlash... This is big, like Wilfred Bromley for McCain big!!!



Powell has been sucked into the Dem camp in full battle mode. 
If he stood at the coronation in August, in the stadium with the
Roman backdrop, the endorsement would have been meaningless.
Instead, he goes on Meet The Friends, on the Peacock-Chris Matthews
"I have a tingle running down my leg for Obama" network, with that
Fraud Brokaw, does a 30 min, unchallenged endorsement on Prime Time
Sunday.  It appears Powell is not easily of his own mind, being able to
be roundly lobotomized by any side that suits him.  Wonder what cabinet
position he will have, Secy of African Affairs?  And, to think I once thought
this guy would be a good President.....
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Pdog wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:28am:
 A Sci-Fi writer, who calls himself a Democrat and openly supports George/Bush...


This must be the Powell endorsemnt backlash... This is big, like Wilfred Bromley for McCain big!!!



No need to smack down Card - he's an oddball whose occasional vilification by the forces of PC'itude are a pretty good argument for the kind of oppositional shut down that Riffhard (and myself) worry (he more than me) may become more prevalent under an Obama administration, but he's also a smart (like many science fiction writers, maybe TOO smart) cat.

He does tend to be of the, uh, Robert Heinlein school of science fictional thought, however. . .except maybe for the fact that he hates the military.


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Nasty Habits wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:50am:
Pdog wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:28am:
 A Sci-Fi writer, who calls himself a Democrat and openly supports George/Bush...


This must be the Powell endorsemnt backlash... This is big, like Wilfred Bromley for McCain big!!!



No need to smack down Card - he's an oddball whose occasional vilification by the forces of PC'itude are a pretty good argument for the kind of oppositional shut down that Riffhard (and myself) worry (he more than me) may become more prevalent under an Obama administration, but he's also a smart (like many science fiction writers, maybe TOO smart) cat.

He does tend to be of the, uh, Robert Heinlein school of science fictional thought, however. . .except maybe for the fact that he hates the military.





your last sentence says alot, this guy is the one giving opinion, and he has alot of opinions in direct contradiction to Republicans and Democrats, and some real over the top shit... IMO, using him a source, you set yourself up for alot of criticism... He makes good points, but like you said, maybe he is too smart and way over-thinking stuff... Common sense goes a long way...
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Being villified by the likes of phalangists such as riffy and nanky is a true honor.  I'd be worried otherwise.
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Yet another piece of the puzzle thats fucking this country. . .

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Ratings-agencies-put-system-risk/story.asp...

Ratings agencies 'put system at risk,' CEO says
Testimony shows watchdogs were 'Kool-Aid drinking' lapdogs

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
Last update: 5:19 p.m. EDT Oct. 22, 2008
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Credit rating agencies put the global financial system at risk because they had to be lapdogs, not watchdogs, to survive, a top CEO testified Wednesday.

The three major agencies -- Moody's, Standard & Poor's and Fitch -- were caught in a race to bottom, forced to lower their standards in an attempt to maintain their market share, said Raymond McDaniel, chief executive officer of Moody's, who testified on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.

"We drank the 'Kool-Aid,'" McDaniel wrote in an internal memo released Wednesday.
That race to the bottom was very lucrative in the short-run for the companies, but disastrous for the global economy in the long haul, said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Waxman said revenues at the three ratings agencies doubled between 2002 and 2007 to $6 billion, while Moody's had the highest profit margin of any company in the S&P 500 for five years running.

The three agencies rate financial securities on the risk that they won't be paid off.
Between 2002 and 2007, the agencies rated a flood of mortgage-related securities issued by Wall Street firms, giving many of the securities a coveted AAA rating at the time, only to downgrade most of them as house prices tanked and defaults spiked. The subsequent collapse in the value of those securities has taken the global financial system to the "brink of the abyss," in the words of the head of the IMF.

"The story of the credit rating agencies is a story of colossal failure," Waxman said. "Millions of investors rely on them for independent, objective assessments." The companies were rewarded not by having high standards to come up with honest assessments, but by lowering them, McDaniel said in an internal memo written almost exactly one year ago.

In a section of his memo titled, "Conflicts of interest," McDaniel said the market "actually penalizes quality" because companies hire rating agencies based on which agency is willing to give a securities offering the highest rating, not on which one is the most honest.
"Unchecked competition on this basis can place the entire financial system at risk," McDaniel wrote in the Oct. 21, 2007 memo. "It turns out that ratings quality has surprisingly few friends: issuers want high ratings; investors don't want ratings downgrades; short-sighted bankers labor short-sighted to game the ratings agencies for a few extra basis points on execution."

While many inside the rating agencies warned of the impending disaster (one employee wrote, "let's hope we are all wealthy and retired by the time this house of cards falters") others continue to insist that nothing was wrong.
"Virtually no one -- be they homeowners, financial institutions, rating agencies, regulators, or investors -- anticipated what is occurring," testified Deven Sharma, president of Standard & Poor's. "We never expected such severe, negative performance in the housing and mortgage markets."

Sharma rejected McDaniel's assessment that the rating agencies "drank the Kool-Aid" by giving the issuers (who paid the fees) high ratings for their securities just to maintain market share. "The [Securities and Exchange Commission] itself concluded that it found no evidence during its examination that S&P had compromised its standards to please issuers," he said.

Waxman will ask SEC Chairman Chris Cox about his agency's oversight of the credit rating agencies at a hearing on Thursday. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and former Treasury Secretary John Snow are also scheduled to testify.
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"Being villified by the likes of phalangists such as riffy and nanky is a true honor"

You'd be proud as a peacock then if you knew how many people think you are a true douchebag!
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Pdog wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 10:37am:
Nasty Habits wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:50am:
Pdog wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:28am:
 A Sci-Fi writer, who calls himself a Democrat and openly supports George/Bush...


This must be the Powell endorsemnt backlash... This is big, like Wilfred Bromley for McCain big!!!



No need to smack down Card - he's an oddball whose occasional vilification by the forces of PC'itude are a pretty good argument for the kind of oppositional shut down that Riffhard (and myself) worry (he more than me) may become more prevalent under an Obama administration, but he's also a smart (like many science fiction writers, maybe TOO smart) cat.

He does tend to be of the, uh, Robert Heinlein school of science fictional thought, however. . .except maybe for the fact that he hates the military.





your last sentence says alot, this guy is the one giving opinion, and he has alot of opinions in direct contradiction to Republicans and Democrats, and some real over the top shit... IMO, using him a source, you set yourself up for alot of criticism... He makes good points, but like you said, maybe he is too smart and way over-thinking stuff... Common sense goes a long way...



Look Pdog I don't know the guy. I don't even know his real politics. I do know that what he wrote in that particular op-ed piece is spot on. If you're trying to tell me that the media has given due diligence to the reality of the sub-prime mess and the Democrats' role in it than you are out of your mind. This may be the only thing the guy writes that I would ever agree with, but that article is one that any honest person would have a hard time honestly refuting. It is telling that you go after the messenger as opposed to trying to debate the substance of the message.

Bottom line-Democrats hid the sub-prime fiasco within Fannie Mae because they were lining their pockets, and the CEO and all the board members were Dems. Obama got $126,000.00 in less than three years from the very people that created the housing crisis. You may not like those FACTS. You may not even want to acknowledge them (most Obama supporters ignore any and all negative truths about their guy after all), but what this guy says is true. Democrats have managed to bury the truth about Fannie Mae, and a willing press has buried it too because the truth would destroy their candidate. The fact that it doesn't bother you that the press is trying to determine the outcome of this election by selectively covering the news is very odd to me. This kind of obfuscation by the major media players should scare the hell out of everyone. Though it never seems to bother Obama supporters. I wonder why?

Answer this question honestly. Had all the major players at Fannie Mae been Republicans, and had John McCain received $126,000.00 from Fannie would a Democrat House and Senate have started a massive investigation into the corruption by now? Today, there has yet to be a single call for a congressional investigation into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. No, they are investigating Wall Street instead. I wonder why?

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Hey Riffy is Greenspan a Dem too?


Greenspan says flaw in market system

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_bi_ge/greenspan

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer Martin Crutsinger, Ap Economics Writer
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WASHINGTON – Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, describing the current financial crisis as a "once-in-a-century credit tsunami" acknowledged Thursday that the crisis has exposed flaws in his thinking and in the workings of the free-market system.

Greenspan told the House Oversight Committee that his belief that banks would be more prudent in their lending practices because of the need to protect their stockholders had been proven wrong by the current crisis. He called this a "mistake" in his views and said he had been shocked by that.

Greenspan said he had made a "mistake" in believing that banks in operating in their self-interest would be sufficient to protect their shareholders and the equity in their institutions.

Greenspan called this "a flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works."

The head of the nation's central bank for 18 1/2 years, Greenspan said in his testimony to the committee that he and others who believed lending institutions would do a good job of protecting their shareholders are in a "state of shocked disbelief."

During questioning, Greenspan was challenged about various statements he had made during the five-year housing boom including forecasts that it was unlikely that there would be a nationwide collapse of home prices.

Greenspan said he had failed to predict a significant decline in home prices because the country had never experienced such a decline before.

Greenspan said that the current crisis had "turned out to be much broader than anything that I could have imagined."

The committee called Greenspan to testify along with former Treasury Secretary John Snow and Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox as lawmakers sought to discover if regulatory failings had contributed to the crisis.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman said that he believed that the Federal Reserve, which regulates banks, the SEC and the Treasury had all played a role in contributing to the mistakes.

"The list of mistakes is long and the cost to taxpayers is staggering," Waxman, D-Calif., told the three men. "Our regulators became enablers rather than enforcers. Their trust in the wisdom of the markets was infinite. The mantra became that government regulation is wrong. The market is infallible."

In his testimony, Greenspan blamed the problems on heavy demand for securities backed by subprime mortgages by investors who did not worry that the boom in home prices might come to a crashing halt.

"Given the financial damage to date, I cannot see how we can avoid a significant rise in layoffs and unemployment," Greenspan said. "Fearful American households are attempting to adjust, as best they can, to a rapid contraction in credit availability, threats to retirement funds and increased job insecurity."

Greenspan said that a necessary condition for the crisis to end will be a stabilization in home prices but he said that was not likely to occur for "many months in the future."

When home prices finally stabilize, Greenspan said, then "the market freeze should begin to measurably thaw and frightened investors will take tentative steps towards re-engagement with risk."

Greenspan said until that occurs, the government is correct to move forward aggressively with efforts to support the financial sector. He called the $700 billion rescue package passed by Congress on Oct. 10 "adequate to serve the need" and said that its impact was already being felt in markets.

Greenspan did not specifically address the criticism he is receiving now as being partly to blame for the current crisis.

Greenspan's critics charge that he left interest rates too low in the early part of this decade, spurring an unsustainable housing boom, while also refusing to exercise the Fed's powers to impose greater regulations on the issuance of new types of mortgages, including subprime loans. It was the collapse of these mortgages and rising defaults a year ago that triggered the current crisis.

In his testimony, Greenspan put the blame for the subprime collapse on over-eager investors who did not properly take into account the threats that would be posed once home prices stopped surging upward.

"It was the failure to properly price such risky assets that precipitated the crisis," Greenspan said.
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To all the lurkers and non-Americans (ie the SANE people), imo, this is just the beginning of the nastiness and divisiness that awaits the "Un-United States of America".

I cannot recall times EVER being so bad.

Very sad. Very frightening.

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Riffhard wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:27am:
Pdog wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 10:37am:
Nasty Habits wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:50am:
Pdog wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:28am:
 A Sci-Fi writer, who calls himself a Democrat and openly supports George/Bush...


This must be the Powell endorsemnt backlash... This is big, like Wilfred Bromley for McCain big!!!



No need to smack down Card - he's an oddball whose occasional vilification by the forces of PC'itude are a pretty good argument for the kind of oppositional shut down that Riffhard (and myself) worry (he more than me) may become more prevalent under an Obama administration, but he's also a smart (like many science fiction writers, maybe TOO smart) cat.

He does tend to be of the, uh, Robert Heinlein school of science fictional thought, however. . .except maybe for the fact that he hates the military.





your last sentence says alot, this guy is the one giving opinion, and he has alot of opinions in direct contradiction to Republicans and Democrats, and some real over the top shit... IMO, using him a source, you set yourself up for alot of criticism... He makes good points, but like you said, maybe he is too smart and way over-thinking stuff... Common sense goes a long way...



Look Pdog I don't know the guy. I don't even know his real politics. I do know that what he wrote in that particular op-ed piece is spot on. If you're trying to tell me that the media has given due diligence to the reality of the sub-prime mess and the Democrats' role in it than you are out of your mind. This may be the only thing the guy writes that I would ever agree with, but that article is one that any honest person would have a hard time honestly refuting. It is telling that you go after the messenger as opposed to trying to debate the substance of the message.

Bottom line-Democrats hid the sub-prime fiasco within Fannie Mae because they were lining their pockets, and the CEO and all the board members were Dems. Obama got $126,000.00 in less than three years from the very people that created the housing crisis. You may not like those FACTS. You may not even want to acknowledge them (most Obama supporters ignore any and all negative truths about their guy after all), but what this guy says is true. Democrats have managed to bury the truth about Fannie Mae, and a willing press has buried it too because the truth would destroy their candidate. The fact that it doesn't bother you that the press is trying to determine the outcome of this election by selectively covering the news is very odd to me. This kind of obfuscation by the major media players should scare the hell out of everyone. Though it never seems to bother Obama supporters. I wonder why?

Answer this question honestly. Had all the major players at Fannie Mae been Republicans, and had John McCain received $126,000.00 from Fannie would a Democrat House and Senate have started a massive investigation into the corruption by now? Today, there has yet to be a single call for a congressional investigation into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. No, they are investigating Wall Street instead. I wonder why?

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I stand up for you when someone throws the nazi card at you and then you throw it back my way?!?!? JESUS CHRIST! Shocked

What I want to know is why isn't McCain hollering this from the rooftops?   Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that his own Chief Executive Officer has his own Fanny Mae ties?  Why ain't the entire Republican congress campaigning on the "It's the DEM's fault" ticket?   Couldn't be because they all got their things to hide, could it?  Dude, a mess this big, everybody has got their hands dirty.  

You ask Pdog to answer a question about a speculative reality honestly?  Don't you know that only you or a science fiction author can accurately predict "what would have happened/be happening"??  Is congress even in session to call for an investigation?  I suppose getting an investigation underway as to whose fault it was was more important than putting measures to solve the issue before they adjourned?  


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At the airport, I was informed that the Threat Level was Orange.  I repeat, the Threat Level is Orange.

Please be aware of that. 

Furthermore, do you have any fucking idea how long the goddam fucking Threat Level has been at Orange?  Jesus fucking Falwell Christ, that goddam thing never moves.  I'll bet when McCain gets to be Prez, you'll see that goddam thing change faster than a mood ring.  Change is coming, faggits!
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