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naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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"But it's still socialism."

Are you kidding or just mentally challenged?


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nankerphelge wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:03pm:
"But it's still socialism."

Are you kidding or just mentally challenged?




That's when "the people" own the natural resources. I think we learned that in elementary school.
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Reply #5127 - Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:09pm
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The oil companies are not owned or run by the government (yet).
They are privately owned and managed by a group of corporate officers - people from the private sector and various stockholders.  
They pay some of their profits to the state - that is still not socialism.

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Vice President Joe Biden may have crossed the line when he assured national law enforcement groups Monday that Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor "has your back."

The remark quickly stirred criticism in the legal world, since Biden was making a pledge that a fair and objective justice would not necessarily be able to keep.

Biden made the remark at an assembly of eight law enforcement groups after he detailed Sotomayor's tough-on-crime record in the courtroom.

"There's a part of her record that seems to be, up to now, been flying under the radar a bit. And that's her tough stance on criminals and her unyielding commitment to finding justice for the victims of crime," Biden said.

He then repeatedly said, "She gets it," and sought to assure the law enforcement groups that she would be on their side.

"So you all are on the front lines. But as you do your job, know that Judge Sotomayor has your back as well," Biden said. "And throughout this nomination process, I know you'll have her back."



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Reply #5128 - Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:15pm
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Okay, in Alaska, the oil is "communally" owned.
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Reply #5129 - Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:41pm
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Regardless of who you think "owns" the oil, the companies that produce that oil are not owned or operated by the government.

And they do not give all of the profit of the sales of that oil to Alaska - they give a royalty and the rest goes to the private companies as profit.  Whether they choose to reinvest that profit in Alaska is their choice.

This is fundamentally a capitalistic system.

If Alaska had an agency that ran the search, production and distribution of the Alaskan oil, and all of that money went into the Alaska coffers, THEN, I would agree, you would have a socialist system.

But it doesn't.
And it isn't.

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nankerphelge wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 7:59am:
I haven't read the entire transcript, and I don't know how the Alaska tax system works, but my sense of what she is saying is that Alaska has no state tax, property tax or sales tax (most states have state tax and/or property tax).  But that one way they obtain revenues ("tax") is on a percentage on the profits on oil companies.

That is way different than a President taking federal control over the operations, pay scales, and decision-making that the Obama Administration has done with both the banking and auto industries (including the decision to force the auto companies into bankruptcy).  

It is also a far cry from the federal government's huge tax burdens on the top earners in this country in order to foot the bill for his spending which, incidently, has not done much to help the economy which remains anemic in the credit markets, faces unemployment nearing 10%, faces inflation and dollar devaluation.

Are you telling me you honestly do not see the difference?

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I guess what I was trying to say is that if Alaska gives its citizens money that has been collected from companies that operate in Alaska, that is not capitalism. It more closely resembles socialism, not that that is a bad thing in moderation. Just sounds hypocritical of her to me. I do admit to a pretty big bias against their gov. The "real America" comment was shameful, yet repeated over and over. Maybe if she had spoken to the media and answered their questions, she could have explained what she meant to imply, but it seems that was a risk her "handlers" didn't want to take. Maybe if she didn't f-ing wink at the camera during her only debate. I for one was one was not impressed by that BS. I don't want a MILF, I want to hear ideas about where we are heading, but realize she doesn't look to any future other than Jesus' return. So I guess she wouldn't see any need to manage our planet, which I believe will reject humans if we continue our current path. Maybe not for a few hundred years, but nevertheless, it will if we don't manage how we take from it.

I do not believe that Obama's actions regarding US automotive companies is an attempt to gather power. I still think that it is the workers he is looking out for. I personally don't care which companies go bankrupt, but care about the lost jobs, as I'm sure you do. Maybe propping these companies isn't the best way, I couldn't say for sure. I can say that I haven't heard an alternative argument that would help the workers while letting these companies reap what they've sown. The pay scale issue is touchy, and I don't particularly like it. As much as I frown upon the greediest of attitudes out there, I'm not happy about a government regulating them.

As for the banks and investment firms, maybe it would have been better to let them fail. As long as our government made good on FDIC, the investment side could eat their losses, me included. Fair enough. It is certainly infuriating to see the attitudes of these investment firms in the news. Screw 'em if they think they're masters of the universe. They don't seem to have any guilt about what their gambling did to our 401k's. Maybe I'm wrong, and I certainly don't believe that ALL investment firms operated this way.

The huge tax burden on the top earners has only increased by 3 or 4 percent. When they saved that 3 or 4 percent under W's policy, I didn't see any trickle down effect, well . . . maybe a few areas. Where was the job creation that was supposed to occur? They actually reclassified burger flipping as a manufacturing job, so as to pad manufacturing job numbers. Jobs have been going overseas where workers are paid next to nothing, and yet glad to have a job. Then the goods are sold back to us at places like WalMart, where they are staffed by the same people that lost jobs to overseas mfr's.

My bottom line is that we need to play the bench, not just the starting five (to use a basketball metaphor). We need to focus on education, so that all citizens can take care of themselves and not rely on welfare. Basic education needs to include college rather than stop at high school. We are falling behind, globally.
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So under your theory. any time a state or government "taxes" or otherwise takes a share of any profit of any privately owned corporation, you classify that as socialism?

I think that is a pretty radical view.

State ownership of businesses and the redistribution of what would otherwise be profit to the common good - that is socialism.  And the more Obama & Co. continue to do so, the more they will be labelled as such.

But a state that derives revenues from a portion of the private exploitation of mineral rights does not equate to socialism.
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nankerphelge wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:52pm:
So under your theory. any time a state or government "taxes" or otherwise takes a share of any profit of any privately owned corporation, you classify that as socialism?

I think that is a pretty radical view.

State ownership of businesses and the redistribution of what would otherwise be profit to the common good - that is socialism.  And the more Obama & Co. continue to do so, the more they will be labelled as such.

But a state that derives revenues from a portion of the private exploitation of mineral rights does not equate to socialism.



I agree with your/the definition of socialism. I was saying that doling out company profits to the citizenry isn't capitalism, and that it approaches socialism.

Obama isn't taking government control and profit sharing of the revenues. He's bailing them out and maintaining some level of control to manage this bailout money. If the American workers are going to get screwed in the end, why bail the company out.
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Reply #5133 - Jun 10th, 2009 at 1:45pm
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So under your theory. any time a state or government "taxes" or otherwise takes a share of any profit of any privately owned corporation, you classify that as socialism?

I think that is a pretty radical view.

State ownership of businesses and the redistribution of what would otherwise be profit to the common good - that is socialism.  And the more Obama & Co. continue to do so, the more they will be labelled as such.

But a state that derives revenues from a portion of the private exploitation of mineral rights does not equate to socialism.



Paying the people off so you can get past envoirmental restraints isn't socialism, it is just lame...
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The oil industry is one of the most regulated industries ever.
I don't know what "environmental restrains" you think are being avoided, or how paying the people of Alaska (who have no direct regulatory control over oil companies) can somehow get past those regulations.

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So, ol' Newties ridiculed Barack for calling himself "a citizen of the United States and the world" and it turns out that Ronald Raygun said precisely the same thing in a speech at the UN.  Hilarious.
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Palin was the only other Republican option.

Biden was Obama's first big decision.

Wow what a bad choice.
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Palin was the only other Republican option.


If that's true then the party truly is over.

Other options could have been Tim Pawlenty, Lindsay Graham, Charlie Crist, Tom Ridge, Mark Sanford, JC Watts, Eric Cantor, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney (though my initial reaction was relief that he wasn't chosen).

Not that he was going to win anyway.
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Palin was the only other Republican option.

Biden was Obama's first big decision.

Wow what a bad choice.



Not sure I get your point. McCain HAD to choose Palin? There were no qualified candidates?

The American voters had the choice of Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin. They made their choice. If the election was held again today it would turn out the same.

Palin was McCain's first big decision - after his decision to back-pedal on the torture issue - Wow what a ridiculous, absolutely absurd choice she was!

Vice President Biden's frequent stupid comments are the kind of stuff American vice presidents have always been known for, with the notable exception of Mr. Cheney.  He's no worse than Spiro Agnew or Hubert Humphrey.

You think Vice President Palin wouldn't have made any major gaffes by now?  

Puh-leeeeese.

Being a dead-ender must be tiring. Your arguments are getting weaker...weaker...weaker....
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My point is Biden, our VP, is an idiot.
Obama an idiot for picking him.
Sorry for the confusion.
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On a related, Obama is an idiot note, I see we are Mirandizing terroists now, whereas Obama said in March that we would do no such thing.

What a giant ass.
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Palin was the only other Republican option.

Biden was Obama's first big decision.

Wow what a bad choice.



I thought Palin was presented to McCain as the best choice for Evangelical votes. That he was barely aware of her.

Biden can be argued to be Obama's first bad decision.
I personally don't hold the view that Biden was a bad choice, but I understand the argument.

He occasionally says dumb things, and I know how much the current minority party hates the appearance of stupidity.
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nankerphelge wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 4:20pm:
On a related, Obama is an idiot note, I see we are Mirandizing terroists now, whereas Obama said in March that we would do no such thing.

What a giant ass.



Nice touch, made me laugh.

I don't see a way out of this Gitmo detainee situation. We can't keep them locked up forever. No charges presented. Many could be wrong place / wrong time cases. Who knows?
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So, ol' Newties ridiculed Barack for calling himself "a citizen of the United States and the world" and it turns out that Ronald Raygun said precisely the same thing in a speech at the UN.  Hilarious.



Isn't that the one when Reagan talked about an alien threat from outerspace, could unite us all? Can you imagine the feild day some would have if Biden said that... and Republicans glamorize this man like he was Moses!!! Hysterical!!!
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So, if you actually listened to this mans idealistic speech, and insert Biden, no fucking dif... haha...
How many here, heard Cheney blame 9/11 on Richard Clarke? The same man who handed them a memo on sept. 5th 2001, saying Bin Laden determined to attack and kill thousands, and specified airline threats? It is clear how many actually want this country to fail, regardless of president... zero acountability, in partisan respect! sad.
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 2:42pm:
So, ol' Newties ridiculed Barack for calling himself "a citizen of the United States and the world" and it turns out that Ronald Raygun said precisely the same thing in a speech at the UN.  Hilarious.



Isn't that the one when Reagan talked about an alien threat from outerspace, could unite us all? Can you imagine the feild day some would have if Biden said that... and Republicans glamorize this man like he was Moses!!! Hysterical!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA

So, if you actually listened to this mans idealistic speech, and insert Biden, no fucking dif... haha...
How many here, heard Cheney blame 9/11 on Richard Clarke? The same man who handed them a memo on sept. 5th 2001, saying Bin Laden determined to attack and kill thousands, and specified airline threats? It is clear how many actually want this country to fail, regardless of president... zero acountability, in partisan respect! sad.
carry on... I love the laffs I get from this thread!




I did hear Cheney say that recently. I was shocked. Cheney doesn't know about the intertubes? Or doesn't care.

When Clarke handed over the document regarding eminent attack, he was told "Ok, you're covered your ass".
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I like how Obama got Colbert to shave his head.






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This thread needs some feedback from the O.G.s... Riffy, Lugar, Feej, Where you at dawgs? 

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don't forget your roots!

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This thread needs some feedback from the O.G.s... Riffy, Lugar, Feej, Where you at dawgs?  

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Wow!


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