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naked pictures of Reagan    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Reply #5075 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:18am
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Some Guy wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:11am:
I sense a thawing



I don't think any of us WANTS the President to fail.
I certainly don't.
To what end? To be able to say "I told you so"?


I'll be the first to admit that for the most part, the speech was better than I expected; and my expectations were low.

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Reply #5076 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:36am
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:smileI'm sorry; I'm past the point of listening to this turd speak. No thawing here - EVER!
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Reply #5077 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:45am
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LadyJane wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:18am:
Some Guy wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:11am:
I sense a thawing



I don't think any of us WANTS the President to fail.
I certainly don't.
To what end? To be able to say "I told you so"?


I'll be the first to admit that for the most part, the speech was better than I expected; and my expectations were low.

LJ.




Hate to argue semantics here LJ, but I do want Obama to fail. In the same sense that Rush meant he wanted him to fail. I want his socialist agenda to fail. I want it to fail miserably. I don't want his hard left ideological ideas to succeed even a little. To wish him any success in that regard would to be to turn our backs on our own great history with free market capitalism and all the advancements that it has given, not only the United States, but so too the rest of the world. The good news is that he will fail. Socialism doesn't work at all and it never will. History has proven that fact over the last sixty to seventy years. The bad news is that he's going to force us all to fail with him. Most importantly, and sickeningly, he's going to force the next three generations of Americans to shoulder an unbearable debt load. He is committing generational theft with the power of the federal government as his weapon. It's disgusting to watch, and he even more disgusting to watch it be praised by a bunch of brain dead drones.

As for getting radical Islamists from wanting us dead? Sure. I want him to succeed on that score. However, given the fact that Islam has been in a constant state of war since it's inception, I have my doubts about how much success we will see. Trying to claim that the US is "not a Christian country", and one week later stating that the US is "by numbers one of the largest Muslim countries in the world" is a stupid way of going about it though. Not that those quotes from Barry shock me in the least. They are rather par for the course.


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Reply #5078 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:49am
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:45am:
LadyJane wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:18am:
Some Guy wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:11am:
I sense a thawing



I don't think any of us WANTS the President to fail.
I certainly don't.
To what end? To be able to say "I told you so"?


I'll be the first to admit that for the most part, the speech was better than I expected; and my expectations were low.

LJ.




Hate to argue semantics here LJ, but I do want Obama to fail. In the same sense that Rush meant he wanted him to fail. I want his socialist agenda to fail. I want it to fail miserably. I don't want his hard left ideological ideas to succeed even a little. To wish him any success in that regard would to be to turn our backs on our own great history with free market capitalism and all the advancements that it has given, not only the United States, but so too the rest of the world. The good news is that he will fail. Socialism doesn't work at all and it never will. History has proven that fact over the last sixty to seventy years. The bad news is that he's going to force us all to fail with him. Most importantly, and sickeningly, he's going to force the next three generations of Americans to shoulder an unbearable debt load. He is committing generational theft with the power of the federal government as his weapon. It's disgusting to watch, and he even more disgusting to watch it be praised by a bunch of brain dead drones.

As for getting radical Islamists from wanting us dead? Sure. I want him to succeed on that score. However, given the fact that Islam has been in a constant state of war since it's inception, I have my doubts about how much success we will see. Trying to claim that the US is "not a Christian country", and one week later stating that the US is "by numbers one of the largest Muslim countries in the world" is a stupid way of going about it though. Not that those quotes from Barry shock me in the least. They are rather par for the course.


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We are pretty much in agreement, my friend!!

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Reply #5079 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:06am
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LadyJane wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:56am:
Bucky I have never really understood WHY a Beatles tribute Band?

WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?


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simple, LJ. chicks and booze.

that and nobody wants to dance to "sway" and "parachute woman". sad but true.

You're fucking pathetic.

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I refuse to engage; well, really I'm off to Spain for a week. Adios muchachas!
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Reply #5081 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:09pm
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Amazing Obama speech today. Hard to imagine anyone wasn't proud to hear those words of truth coming from an American President.

Well, maybe Rush would be an exception. He can't make any money agreeing with a Democratic.
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Reply #5082 - Jun 5th, 2009 at 7:33am
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Probably not surprised to hear this fuman, but I think the speech was disgraceful.

Iran and Bin Laden scoffed at his empty rhetoric and will no doubt look upon Obama as a weak leader.

His incessant duplicity and repeated sell-outs of this country are disgusting.

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Obama in Cairo: Words, Words, Words

He talks the talk – but will he walk the walk?

by Justin Raimondo, June 05, 2009
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The Obama fan club – and by this I mean the media, of course – is already hailing our President’s Cairo speech as the latter-day equivalent of the Sermon on the Mount, and there is no doubt that it was a splendid performance. All the usual superlatives are being unleashed by our love-struck commentariat – soaring, inspiring, intelligent, a triumph – and yet the reality, as the cheers die down, is that his Cairo peroration was just what we have come to expect from this President: pretty words, and even prettier promises. But where’s the action?


Well, we’ll just have to wait and see, now won’t we? Yet even the words – if we look at them on the printed page, stark and bare, without the soaring (there’s that word again!) cadences Obama is so good at, we see … the problem:


"Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire."

Well, yes, we were – note the past tense – born out of an anti-imperialist revolution. That was then, however: this is now. We were a republic, but now we’re well past our prime as an empire. The US military is engaged in a military occupation not only of Iraq and Afghanistan, but is spread throughout the world. Our globe-spanning navy has a presence – a dominating presence – in every ocean. We are, indeed, a self-interested empire – although one wonders, all too often, whether this has anything to do with protecting our real interests.

To point this out is not to nitpick – it is to put the perceptions of the Arab world – and, indeed, the whole world – in their proper context. And at the risk of violating the unspoken precepts of political correctness, there is something to be said for stereotypes: they don’t just fall out of the sky, you know. In order for a stereotype to become accepted, it must have some substantial basis in fact. Obama, of course, knows this, at least when it comes to perceptions of America abroad: that’s why he referred, in his speech, to the history of colonialism in the region, and specifically to the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran.

There were other, more troubling themes, however, quite aside from this, and also quite aside from the worrisome "interdependency" meme he trotted out, which threw in the world economic crisis, Darfur, Bosnia, and this comment: "When one nation pursues a nuclear weapon, the risk of nuclear attack rises for all nations."

There can be little doubt the President was referring to Iran – in spite of the fact that his own CIA has recently said Tehran shelved its nuclear weapons program years ago. Yet the President, and members of his administration, keep reiterating this propagandistic point, in a replay of the phony "weapons of mass destruction" theme that animated his predecessor in the run up to the invasion of Iraq.

This notion of "we’re all in this together," and "an injury to one is an injury to all" – bromides he didn’t utter, but might as well have – is one of the main causes of war: it means that no "crisis," anywhere on earth, can pass unnoticed, and without US intervention (or "multilateral" meddling). This whole idea of "collective security" sets up a series of tripwires that are easily triggered, resulting in widening rather than containing a conflict that nobody wants and in which everyone suffers. Yet "collective security" has been the linchpin of American foreign policy since the days of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and isn’t likely to change with this President – quite the opposite, in fact. It won’t be challenged, or changed, because it is a key argument in making the case for the wars we are currently fighting, and are not about to disengage from. As Obama put it:

"When violent extremists operate in one stretch of mountains, people are endangered across an ocean."


This is just plain untrue. If by "endangered" one means an immediate, palpable, and credible threat to the security of the United States, the American people are not endangered by the Taliban, or even by al-Qaeda, as long as they are isolated in the mountains of Afghanistan or the tribal areas of Pakistan. 


Obama has said this kind of thing before, and it is no more convincing today. Al-Qaeda doesn’t’ need a "safe haven" to plot new strikes against America: that is, it doesn’t need to control territory. Why this requires any explanation – especially given what we know about how the 9/11 attacks were actually planned and carried out – is beyond me.

This speech was like a great big ice cream sundae, with all the toppings – and something rather unappetizing at its center, which was this:

"The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America’s goals and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued Al Qaida and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice. We went because of necessity. I’m aware that there’s still some who would question or even justify the offense of 9/11. But let us be clear. Al Qaida killed nearly 3,000 people on that day."

Yes, but the Taliban  — did they kill 3,000 people that day? Well, say the Obamaites, the Taliban gave Osama bin Laden a "safe haven," and "we did not go by choice." Yet bin Laden and his cohorts are long gone: we’re still there,  however, and in greater numbers than ever. Our government says bin Laden and his lieutenants are – or might be – in Pakistan, and yet in his speech Obama also says al-Qaeda is in "many countries." According to this sort of "logic," therefore, we have the "right" to attack any – or all – of these many countries, and may very well do so at some time in the future.

All the prettiest words in the world, including his expression of respect for Islam, his support for a two-state solution to the Palestinian question, and, yes, even his implied slap at Israel’s nukes — "Now, I understand those who protest that some countries have weapons that others do not" – can’t erase the reality of the ever-widening "Af-Pak" war, and the President’s lame attempts to justify it:

"Make no mistake, we do not want to keep our troops in Afghanistan. We see no military — we seek no military bases there. It is agonizing for America to lose our young men and women. It is costly and politically difficult to continue this conflict.


"We would gladly bring every single one of our troops home if we could be confident that there were not violent extremists in Afghanistan and now Pakistan determined to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. But that is not yet the case. And that’s why we’re partnering with a coalition of 46 countries. And despite the costs involved, America’s commitment will not weaken."


How many violent extremists, who want to kill as many Americans as possible, are spread throughout the world? According to the Obama Doctrine – and the Bush Doctrine – we not only have the right but the duty to go in there and wipe them all out, one by one or all at once, whatever it takes. This is our foreign policy, stripped of pretense, pretty phrases, and declarations of our "peaceful" intentions. 


Those 46 allied countries, I might add, are largely a delusion: our "allies" are ratcheting down their alleged "commitment" – just as our own commitment is bound to waver over time, no matter what Obama says. Whether we leave because the American people finally rise up and say "Enough!", or due to economic circumstances beyond our control – say the Chinese decide to stop investing in our debt – is a matter of which comes first: bankruptcy, or the awaking of the American people from their decades-long slumber . In my view, it’s likely that these two events will occur roughly simultaneously – in which case Obama’s war, like Bush’s, will become unsustainable. 


I have to say, however, that as much as I regard Obama as the smiling face of US imperialism, whose goal it is to prettify the ugly and justify the unjustifiable, his pronouncements on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are refreshing, albeit disturbing in a different way.

"Hamas," the President avers, "does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have to recognize they have responsibilities, to play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, recognize Israel’s right to exist."

To address Hamas – which is, after all, the elected leadership of the Palestinian people, insofar as they have been allowed to express their preferences at the ballot box – as if it were capable of change, as if its leaders could be given a place at the negotiating table, is a qualitative break from the Israel-centric policies of the past eight years.

Now that is some real change. It is also crossing a line, one that has not been crossed since the days of George Herbert Walker Bush – and you can bet the Israel lobby is not going to take this lightly. Expect a full-bore attack from the Israel Firsters, the "liberal" types like Haim Saban & Co., as well as the neocons and the Religious Right. To make matters worse – from the Lobby’s point of view — I think the President has a real understanding of the Palestinians’ plight, as evidenced not only by his denunciation of the "settlements" – an easy target – but his phraseology when he described the conditions under which people must live in the occupied territories.

I  take it as a good sign that all the extremists in the region – the crazed Israeli settlers and their American supporters, as well as Osama bin Laden himself – are screeching bloody murder at this aspect of Obama’s policy. That odd confluence is telling: it tells us that these supposed antipodes have more in common than you’d think. The whole force of their hatred is going to be focused on our President on account of his brave stand, and I just hope that he survives the dangers – political and personal – that his stance will conjure. I don’t want to get more explicit than that, except to note that there are monsters in this world, a great many of them motivated by a toxic combination of the religious and the political — and they’re capable of anything.

Finally, I would also note that a speech is nothing but words, as Obama acknowledged in his text. This vision of peace in the Middle East, sincerely held by our President, is achievable only if it is followed by action. Such a comment is, by now, becoming a cliché – only hours after the speech was actually delivered – and yet it bears repeating, especially to my American readers. There are powerful forces in both parties that will do anything – and I do mean anything – to prevent this vision of peace from being realized.

For the President to have explicitly acknowledged Hamas, and seeming to characterize it as a potential partner in the peace process, is worse than heresy in some quarters, and I cannot see how Congress – which is, as Pat Buchanan quite accurately put it, "Israeli-occupied territory" – is going to sit still for it. AIPAC’s gears are already turning, and the propaganda machine is slated to go full blast. What’s significant, however, is that, for the first time in a very long time, the Lobby faces a formidable opponent: a popular American President who speaks with clarity and conviction.

If he follows through on his words with concrete and decisive action – if he threatens, say, to close off the spigot of US tax dollars flowing to Israel if Tel Aviv keeps funding and building settlements with our "aid" money – then the battle is joined, and, believe you me, it is going to be a doozy. The President may have stood aloof from the Charles Freeman fracas, but surely he must have noticed what happened to the poor guy. Of course, Obama went through that particular mill during the campaign, but, in the wake of  Cairo, one gets the distinct feeling that was only the beginning.

I have to reiterate, at this point, my belief that all the good generated by Obama’s support for a viable Palestinian state is bound to be tragically undermined by the running sore of Afghanistan. As long as we are fighting what is essentially a war of vengeance against a people that had little to do with the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Obama is fated to repeat the mistakes made by his predecessor that turned Iraq into a bloody quagmire, albeit on a bigger scale.
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How many more czars does this government need?

Border Czar Alan Bersin 
Energy Czar Carol Browner
Urban Czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr.
Infotech Czar Vivek Kundra
Faith-based Czar Joshua DuBois
Health reform Czar Nancy-Ann DeParle
New TARP Czar Herb Allison,
Stimulus accountability Czar Earl Devaney
Non-proliferation Czar Gary Samore
Terrorism Czar John Brennan
Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein
Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske
Guantanamo closure Czar Daniel Fried

New Cyber Czar & Compensation Czar are in the pipeline

I'm certain if you add in all of the foreign envoys the list could be near 20.

Good jobs at good wages. 

It would be good to see how much each of these "czars" donated to the cause

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nankerphelge wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 7:33am:
Probably not surprised to hear this fuman, but I think the speech was disgraceful.

Iran and Bin Laden scoffed at his empty rhetoric and will no doubt look upon Obama as a weak leader.

His incessant duplicity and repeated sell-outs of this country are disgusting.




Well, they are just words, but I found them very principled. Now we'll have to see if any progress comes from them, and as history has shown, it's very unlikely. Governments won't change their behavior, nor the extremists, but the youth might. And that's the future. It all comes down to education IMO. Not faith based education, but science based education. That's how I see it. Faith is fine as a hobby but most deny what the scientific world now knows to be absolute truth. So how can they be taken seriously?

The Jews versus the Palestinians was the perfect tone.
And I actually liked hearing him talk about Islam the way he did. I have zero problems with Obama's Muslim roots.

I would add that I AM aware that my perceptions of Obama aren't necessarily accurate. They are what I would hope for, while believing Obama is a bright and decent man.  I haven't seen any evidence to refute my hopes yet . . .
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Nellcote wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:12am:
How many more czars does this government need?

Border Czar Alan Bersin  
Energy Czar Carol Browner
Urban Czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr.
Infotech Czar Vivek Kundra
Faith-based Czar Joshua DuBois
Health reform Czar Nancy-Ann DeParle
New TARP Czar Herb Allison,
Stimulus accountability Czar Earl Devaney
Non-proliferation Czar Gary Samore
Terrorism Czar John Brennan
Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein
Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske
Guantanamo closure Czar Daniel Fried

New Cyber Czar & Compensation Czar are in the pipeline

I'm certain if you add in all of the foreign envoys the list could be near 20.

Good jobs at good wages.  

It would be good to see how much each of these "czars" donated to the cause




It certainly is getting out of control. I dislike the use of the term czar.

Here's another one: Sublime notes czar Mick Taylor
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fuman wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:48am:
Nellcote wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:12am:
How many more czars does this government need?

Border Czar Alan Bersin  
Energy Czar Carol Browner
Urban Czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr.
Infotech Czar Vivek Kundra
Faith-based Czar Joshua DuBois
Health reform Czar Nancy-Ann DeParle
New TARP Czar Herb Allison,
Stimulus accountability Czar Earl Devaney
Non-proliferation Czar Gary Samore
Terrorism Czar John Brennan
Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein
Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske
Guantanamo closure Czar Daniel Fried

New Cyber Czar & Compensation Czar are in the pipeline

I'm certain if you add in all of the foreign envoys the list could be near 20.

Good jobs at good wages.  

It would be good to see how much each of these "czars" donated to the cause




It certainly is getting out of control. I dislike the use of the term czar.

Here's another one: Sublime notes czar Mick Taylor


hitting czar: joe mauer
spam posting czar: TTM

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Buckorama, please call your optomotrist immediately.
I do not find Mauer on this list.

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Kindly provide cogent, accurate information during your next post.

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Reply #5089 - Jun 5th, 2009 at 10:21am
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Starbuck wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 10:11am:
fuman wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:48am:
Nellcote wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:12am:
How many more czars does this government need?

Border Czar Alan Bersin  
Energy Czar Carol Browner
Urban Czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr.
Infotech Czar Vivek Kundra
Faith-based Czar Joshua DuBois
Health reform Czar Nancy-Ann DeParle
New TARP Czar Herb Allison,
Stimulus accountability Czar Earl Devaney
Non-proliferation Czar Gary Samore
Terrorism Czar John Brennan
Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein
Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske
Guantanamo closure Czar Daniel Fried

New Cyber Czar & Compensation Czar are in the pipeline

I'm certain if you add in all of the foreign envoys the list could be near 20.

Good jobs at good wages.  

It would be good to see how much each of these "czars" donated to the cause




It certainly is getting out of control. I dislike the use of the term czar.

Here's another one: Sublime notes czar Mick Taylor


hitting czar: joe mauer
spam posting czar: TTM




Yikes, he's hitting .436 ? I haven't followed baseball much for a couple of years now.


Kool-Aid czar  fuman
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Probably not surprised to hear this fuman, but I think the speech was disgraceful.

Iran and Bin Laden scoffed at his empty rhetoric and will no doubt look upon Obama as a weak leader.

His incessant duplicity and repeated sell-outs of this country are disgusting.


DITTO! This guy is the biggest loser to occupy the office since Carter.
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fuman wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:48am:
Nellcote wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:12am:
How many more czars does this government need?

Border Czar Alan Bersin  
Energy Czar Carol Browner
Urban Czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr.
Infotech Czar Vivek Kundra
Faith-based Czar Joshua DuBois
Health reform Czar Nancy-Ann DeParle
New TARP Czar Herb Allison,
Stimulus accountability Czar Earl Devaney
Non-proliferation Czar Gary Samore
Terrorism Czar John Brennan
Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein
Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske
Guantanamo closure Czar Daniel Fried

New Cyber Czar & Compensation Czar are in the pipeline

I'm certain if you add in all of the foreign envoys the list could be near 20.

Good jobs at good wages.  

It would be good to see how much each of these "czars" donated to the cause




It certainly is getting out of control. I dislike the use of the term czar.

Here's another one: Sublime notes czar Mick Taylor


hitting czar: joe mauer
spam posting czar: TTM




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You realize he's got a bra and panties on under that suit  . . .
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Probably not surprised to hear this fuman, but I think the speech was disgraceful.

Iran and Bin Laden scoffed at his empty rhetoric and will no doubt look upon Obama as a weak leader.

His incessant duplicity and repeated sell-outs of this country are disgusting.


DITTO! This guy is the biggest loser to occupy the office since Carter.


dude! that was almost a compliment to the clinton years!
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    On May 27, CNN’s Carol Costello reported on tobacco company R.J. Reynolds new dissolvable “smokeless products.” Noting that critics call them “tobacco lollipops” that are aimed at getting “kids hooked on nicotine,” Costello reported that “R.J. Reynolds will soon test three new products — Camel sticks that dissolve as you suck them, minty tobacco strips that look like breath strips, and orbs — flavored, dissolvable tablets that some say look and taste exactly like candy.”

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Probably not surprised to hear this fuman, but I think the speech was disgraceful.

Iran and Bin Laden scoffed at his empty rhetoric and will no doubt look upon Obama as a weak leader.

His incessant duplicity and repeated sell-outs of this country are disgusting.


DITTO! This guy is the biggest loser to occupy the office since Carter.


So let me take stock of this -  during the (excuse my hiccup) Bush era, you rightwingers berated anyone who disagreed with the President as unAmerican, empowering the terrorists, and idiots.  People who protested what they saw as an illegal and unjustified war were traitors. 

Now, after a fair election, a President who you disagree with is in place.  You all proudly wish him to fail, despite the fact that his failure will be the country's. Instead of protesting the war, you protest paying taxes. (Teabagging... Grin) And...anyone who doesn't join you in your treasonous, anti-American diatribes is...an idiot.

Tell me, did you WANT Bin Laden to give the speech a thumbs-up?
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Jesus, master of the strawmen, strikes again.

I don't think I berated anyone who disagreed with Bush, in fact I disagreed with Bush on many issues including his federal spending and immigration policy.  And I certainly did not label anyone a traitor for not supporting the war.

As for Obama, I have not wished him failure.
I just think his policies are wrong for this country, and that he is already failing us by implementing those policies.

As for protesting taxes, yes, I have always had an issue with a federal government overtaxing people who already pay a disproportionate share as compared with others.

Nor do I think my position is treasonous or anti-American.

That's a lot of strawmen even for you jackass!


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Jesus, master of the strawmen, strikes again.

I don't think I berated anyone who disagreed with Bush, in fact I disagreed with Bush on many issues including his federal spending and immigration policy.  And I certainly did not label anyone a traitor for not supporting the war.

As for Obama, I have not wished him failure.
I just think his policies are wrong for this country, and that he is already failing us by implementing those policies.

As for protesting taxes, yes, I have always had an issue with a federal government overtaxing people who already pay a disproportionate share as compared with others.

Nor do I think my position is treasonous or anti-American.

That's a lot of strawmen even for you jackass!



My remarks were not directed to you specifically, but to the "righties" who wish their president to fail.  You are obviously a free thinker who loves his country, and I apologize for any confusion I may have inadvertantly caused by the poor placement of my post. (However, even taking this into consideration, it appears that I responded to Mr. Glencar, not you, so your comments might appear to be overly sensitive.)

I suppose I should have positioned my comment after the exchange between Mr Riffhard and LJ, where he said that in fact he DOES wish the President to fail, ("Hate to argue semantics here LJ, but I do want Obama to fail") and talked her into agreeing that she did too ("We are pretty much in agreement, my friend!! ").  

So, by your definition, that would not be a strawman, or a response to an argument no one has made. In fact,  I'm pretty sure My synopsis of the Right's response to dissent during the Bush (hiccup) years contains no strawmen whatsoever.

I can understand you being so bitchy, though. I'm sure it must be uncomfortable to have one's own views conflated with Mr. Riffhard's.  


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You never answered the one point which WAS directed at you - what reaction to Obama's unprecedented address to the Muslim world did you expect/require from bin Laden?  
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LadyJane wrote on Jun 8th, 2009 at 1:30pm:
But I will NEVER, EVER go on recored as saying "I hope My President fails".
I never said it when Bush was in office and I won't say it now.



actually, we never really even got a chance to say "I hope Bush fails"
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