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naked pictures of Reagan    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Reply #4825 - May 13th, 2009 at 7:22pm
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 6:38pm:
nankerphelge wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 3:34pm:
No, I think that "when the President does it, it is okay" strawman was one that you made up for this thread, Brainy.
I get that you might not understand the difference, being a Harvard-trained lawyer and all.
And try to get over that whole Bush hiccup thing sometime eh?

As for the substance of the article, you don't see a problem with the President of the United States interfering with private contracts between a corporation and a labor union?






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WASHINGTON (AP) — In his first quarterly report on the nation's stimulus package, Vice President Joe Biden uses anecdotes to paint a glowing picture of an economy on the rebound. In reality, the picture is incomplete and the colors far more muted.

It is not disputed that Washington is spending historic amounts of money at a rate far faster than normal. Workers are getting tax breaks, Washington is picking up a greater share of state Medicaid costs and road construction projects are beginning.

Even Recovery.gov, the Web site that has yet to live up to its billing as a one-stop way to track every penny, offers more information than typical government programs, and faster.

But the effect of that spending is less clear. Many of the claims the White House is making are based on anecdotes selected to fit the Obama administration's message. For instance, the report cites a newspaper article about workers being rehired at a factory in Chicago. That account is true, but is no more an accurate snapshot of the nation's economy than a story, not cited in the report, about a Roanoke, Va., railcar factory closing.

Capturing the full effect of the stimulus at this early stage is difficult, but the administration has set high bars for success. In championing those successes, however, the White House plays a little loose with the facts.

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BIDEN SAID: First-time homebuyers are "driving increased activity in the home sales market," while mortgage and title companies are hiring more workers because of the first-time homebuyer tax credit included in the stimulus bill.

THE FACTS: The report cites anecdotes from a New Orleans business journal to back up the claim. It's true, buyers are taking advantage of the $8,000 first-time homebuyer tax credits. The IRS said more than 567,000 tax returns claimed the credit in just the first weeks of the program. But that hasn't provided an immediate turnaround in the market.

Since February, sales of existing homes have fallen 3 percent and new home sales are down .6 percent.

And the number of jobs in the real estate industry has declined by about 20,500, according to the Department of Labor.

There are signs that the housing market is improving. But the numbers suggest that if the market bottomed out, it did so in January, before the stimulus was passed.

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BIDEN SAID: Employment agencies are placing more workers in jobs, and demand is up since February.

THE FACTS: The report cites an interview with an employment service manager quoted in the same New Orleans business article. The anecdote may be true, but it's impossible to extrapolate that any further, even just to New Orleans. The city has lost more than 200 jobs since February. Overall, Louisiana lost 16,085 jobs over the same span, according to the Department of Labor.

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THE WHITE HOUSE SAID: The stimulus has created or saved 150,000 jobs.

THE FACTS: Since February, the nation has lost more than 1.3 million jobs, according to the Department of Labor. To make the case that the country created jobs over that same stretch, the White House has put forward a benchmark of jobs created "or saved." The argument is that the job numbers would have been even worse had it not been for the stimulus, and the difference between those numbers is a net positive.

To visualize that disconnect, consider this: The administration has promised to create or save 600,000 more jobs in the next 100 days. Even if the nation loses another 5 million jobs during that span (a highly unlikely prospect) the White House could still claim success.

There are few hard numbers when it comes to tracking stimulus jobs. The Obama administration numbers are based on estimates by the White House Council of Economic Advisers, based largely on a formula Obama's transition team put forward. It estimates the effect of tax breaks, government spending and social programs on job growth.

Spending money will put people to work. But spending has a cost. At some point, Washington will have to pay for this program, either by raising taxes or interest rates, and those policies typically hurt job growth. The Obama administration's job data do not take into consideration this back-end cost, an omission some economists, particularly conservative economists, say is a flaw in the analysis.

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Reply #4827 - May 13th, 2009 at 8:53pm
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Yes sorry for the misspelling, and nice to see the "tolerant" left so tolerant of opposing views...typical...



This Pat Buchanan friend ain't no leftist, junior.  And ignorance should NEVER be tolerated.  That seems to be the trait of your ilk.....
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Reply #4828 - May 13th, 2009 at 11:26pm
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You're an anti-semite & a boor to boot. Nobody likes you & nobody even wants to meet you. Your "ilk" doesn't even pretend to like you. Ouch!
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What's President Dumbass up to now? Is his teleprompter all busted? I haven't heard much from his mushmouth lately. I did read that 30 Rock is trying to get his horrid wife on in a cameo. Just like Oprah.
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Reply #4831 - May 14th, 2009 at 6:17am
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"The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The proposal being floated with members of Congress is another indication of President Barack Obama's struggles to establish his counter-terrorism policies, balancing security concerns against attempts to alter Bush-administration practices he has harshly criticized."

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Not as easy as you thought, huh dummy?

Might want to check with your Constitutional law scholar Biden about this though.
Once they step foot on US soil, things change.

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Reply #4832 - May 14th, 2009 at 6:35am
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you made a grown man cry


as wrong as ever, blueboy



btw, speaking of teleprompters--
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Reply #4833 - May 14th, 2009 at 8:13am
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Even in death Ronald Reagan makes Barry look like the Marixst hack that he is! Remember back when people did more than apologize for their country and talk it down? I remember those days well, and it's only too bad that so many brainwashed young Obamadrones never had the chance to know the greatness of America's last great president.

Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Here Reagan completely destroys the Saul Alinsky dipshit, and to think, Reagan didn't even have to have his convictions spoon fed to him ala Barry and his Saul Alinsky Communist street organizing manifesto.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6DmjBneGBc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethebigfeedblo...



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Reply #4834 - May 14th, 2009 at 8:16am
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Reply #4835 - May 14th, 2009 at 8:26am
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Some Guy wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 8:16am:
Was this on Glen Beck?



No. Not that I watch Beck though. But I'll tell you what SG, it should be mandatory teaching in our schools. Because the words of Reagan in that clip are so much more honest to God  American than the utter horseshit emanating from Barry's mouth it's scary. It's also scary that so many lemming-like drones have drank the Barry Juice Kool-aid. Had Reagan been alive and well during the campaign Barry would have had his ass handed to him over, and over, and over, and over again..... Reagan would have schooled this little Chicago Marxist fucknut!


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Reply #4836 - May 14th, 2009 at 9:41am
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Tincture of Lawlessness
Obama's Overreaching Economic Policies

By George F. Will
Thursday, May 14, 2009



Anyone, said T.S. Eliot, could carve a goose, were it not for the bones. And anyone could govern as boldly as his whims decreed, were it not for the skeletal structure that keeps civil society civil -- the rule of law. The Obama administration is bold. It also is careless regarding constitutional values and is acquiring a tincture of lawlessness.

In February, California's Democratic-controlled Legislature, faced with a $42 billion budget deficit, trimmed $74 million (1.4 percent) from one of the state's fastest-growing programs, which provides care for low-income and incapacitated elderly people and which cost the state $5.42 billion last year. The Los Angeles Times reports that "loose oversight and bureaucratic inertia have allowed fraud to fester."

But the Service Employees International Union collects nearly $5 million a month from 223,000 caregivers who are members. And the Obama administration has told California that unless the $74 million in cuts are rescinded, it will deny the state $6.8 billion in stimulus money.

Such a federal ukase (the word derives from czarist Russia; how appropriate) to a state legislature is a sign of the administration's dependency agenda -- maximizing the number of people and institutions dependent on the federal government. For the first time, neither sales nor property nor income taxes are the largest source of money for state and local governments. The federal government is.

The SEIU says the cuts violate contracts negotiated with counties. California officials say the state required the contracts to contain clauses allowing pay to be reduced if state funding is.

Anyway, the Obama administration, judging by its cavalier disregard of contracts between Chrysler and some of the lenders it sought money from, thinks contracts are written on water. The administration proposes that Chrysler's secured creditors get 28 cents per dollar on the $7 billion owed to them but that the United Auto Workers union get 43 cents per dollar on its $11 billion in claims -- and 55 percent of the company. This, even though the secured creditors' contracts supposedly guaranteed them better standing than the union.

Among Chrysler's lenders, some servile banks that are now dependent on the administration for capital infusions tugged their forelocks and agreed. Some hedge funds among Chrysler's lenders that are not dependent were vilified by the president because they dared to resist his demand that they violate their fiduciary duties to their investors, who include individuals and institutional pension funds.

The Economist says the administration has "ridden roughshod over [creditors'] legitimate claims over the [automobile companies'] assets. . . . Bankruptcies involve dividing a shrunken pie. But not all claims are equal: some lenders provide cheaper funds to firms in return for a more secure claim over the assets should things go wrong. They rank above other stakeholders, including shareholders and employees. This principle is now being trashed." Tom Lauria, a lawyer representing hedge fund people trashed by the president as the cause of Chrysler's bankruptcy, asked that his clients' names not be published for fear of violence threatened in e-mails to them.

The Troubled Assets Relief Program, which has not yet been used for its supposed purpose (to purchase such assets from banks), has been the instrument of the administration's adventure in the automobile industry. TARP's $700 billion, like much of the supposed "stimulus" money, is a slush fund the executive branch can use as it pleases. This is as lawless as it would be for Congress to say to the IRS: We need $3.5 trillion to run the government next year, so raise it however you wish -- from whomever, at whatever rates you think suitable. Don't bother us with details.

This is not gross, unambiguous lawlessness of the Nixonian sort -- burglaries, abuse of the IRS and FBI, etc. -- but it is uncomfortably close to an abuse of power that perhaps gave Nixon ideas: When in 1962 the steel industry raised prices, President John F. Kennedy had a tantrum and his administration leaked rumors that the IRS would conduct audits of steel executives, and sent FBI agents on predawn visits to the homes of journalists who covered the steel industry, ostensibly to further a legitimate investigation.

The Obama administration's agenda of maximizing dependency involves political favoritism cloaked in the raiment of "economic planning" and "social justice" that somehow produce results superior to what markets produce when freedom allows merit to manifest itself, and incompetence to fail. The administration's central activity -- the political allocation of wealth and opportunity -- is not merely susceptible to corruption, it is corruption.
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Reply #4838 - May 14th, 2009 at 11:02am
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nankerphelge wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 3:59pm:
Sorry Jesus, but you don't know shit!

As you probably know, when you make an argument that no one has made, only to knock it down, it IS a strawman.
When you do so by taking an argument to the extreme, as you have, it is not only a strawman, but a pathetic one at that.



Sorry not to get back to you on this - I had a full schedule of healing the sick, raising the dead, et cetera.

This seems to be a case of you not seeing the forest for the trees.  Far from addressing an argument no one had made, I was addressing the opening statement of the article you posted. To wit:

"The rule of law, not of men -- an ideal tracing back to the ancient Greeks and well-known to our Founding Fathers -- is the animating principle of the American experiment."

I didn't take the time to parse the dreadfully dull (given that the venue of our discussion is a messageboard and not a court of corporate law) details of this issue.  I believe they boil down to: Obama has the upper hand in the negotiations and is making use of it;  no laws have been broken ("yet!!" I hear you crying from the peanut gallery) but it could be a slippery slope type sitch.

And again, that seems to point toward a strawman which has some flesh on its bones. Because THOSE are the exact issues which I raise about torture and which you and your stooges argue so vociferously against.

I apologize if I have confused your pro-torture stance with that of your colleagues, if in fact they are any different.


nankerphelge wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 3:59pm:
The problem is, in your hatred for Bush, you put the cart before the horse logically.


I hate no man or thing: I am Jesus, after all.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven."

-Matthew 5:43-45

As far as putting carts before horses due to blindness caused by hatred of the President: why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?


nankerphelge wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 3:59pm:
You assume that whatever was done was legally torture, and then you make the argument that Bush said it was okay to torture because he was the President.


Waterboarding has been considered torture since it was invented by the Spanish Inquisitors, and the argument about saying it was okay came from the mouth of Condoleeza Rice.


nankerphelge wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 3:59pm:
But the issue is that the harsh interrogation practices were deemed by Justice Department lawyers to not be "torture" under the prevailing laws at issue.  As you probably learned at Harvard, that is what lawyers do -- they look at the legal landscape, they apply that landscape to the facts at hand, and they come to a legal conclusion.  There can be debate as to the validity of that legal analysis, but the fact remains that they lawyers that looked at the issue determined that the tactics used were not legally "torture" as that term is defined.  


So, I would assume, if Hermann Goerring had a team of attorneys who found a loophole which seemed to okay genocide under certain extenuating circumstances, you would have told the Nuremberg lawyers to lose those Hitler hiccups.



nankerphelge wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 3:59pm:
So when the Administration acted upon that legal advice, as all Administrations do, it was not an argument of "it is okay because I am the President" as your strawman argument suggests.




When specifically asked whether waterboarding is torture Rice said, "if it was authorized by the President, it did not violate our obligations under the Conventions Against Torture."

CBS News, May 1, 2009



I'm sorry if I automatically assumed that you would parrot the previous administration's talking points. So you disagree with Ms. Rice? Do go on.


nankerphelge wrote on May 13th, 2009 at 3:59pm:
I am quite certain that Obama did not make the moves he made in the Chrysler and banking cases without similar advice from his lawyers.

Who knows, maybe after he is out of office, we will get a look at those memos to see what his lawyers said about the constitutionality (or not) of his actions.  

You say that he hasn't broken any laws -- we'll see if you are right.  



That all sounds fine and dandy.  However, first things first.  Let's talk to your boys about torture.




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First off, apologies to BJ.
He is far too wise to write this intellectually dishonest sidestep.

I thought you a far better debater than this,  Jesus.
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Even in death Ronald Reagan makes Barry look like the Marixst hack that he is! Remember back when people did more than apologize for their country and talk it down? I remember those days well, and it's only too bad that so many brainwashed young Obamadrones never had the chance to know the greatness of America's last great president.

Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Here Reagan completely destroys the Saul Alinsky dipshit, and to think, Reagan didn't even have to have his convictions spoon fed to him ala Barry and his Saul Alinsky Communist street organizing manifesto.


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Reagan?  Wasn't he the washed-up actor who deregulated the Savings and Loans,
taught Latin American dictators how to torture, institutionalized greed as THE
driving force in America and laid a wreath at the graves of the Waffen-SS in Germany?

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were planted by that Hollywood hack.

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Jesus Christ wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 1:08pm:
Riffhard wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 8:13am:
Even in death Ronald Reagan makes Barry look like the Marixst hack that he is! Remember back when people did more than apologize for their country and talk it down? I remember those days well, and it's only too bad that so many brainwashed young Obamadrones never had the chance to know the greatness of America's last great president.

Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Here Reagan completely destroys the Saul Alinsky dipshit, and to think, Reagan didn't even have to have his convictions spoon fed to him ala Barry and his Saul Alinsky Communist street organizing manifesto.


Riffy


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Reagan?  Wasn't he the washed-up actor who deregulated the Savings and Loans,
taught Latin American dictators how to torture, institutionalized greed as THE
driving force in America and laid a wreath at the graves of the Waffen-SS in Germany?

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After reading your revisionist hagiography, I'm wondering
why you aren't accused of Gipper hiccups.  But while we're
hiccupping, I would say yea, verily the seeds of today's turmoil
were planted by that Hollywood hack.

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Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you are like whitewashed tombs which do
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First off, apologies to BJ.
He is far too wise to write this intellectually dishonest sidestep.

I thought you a far better debater than this,  Jesus.
You disappoint.


That's all you got?  "Intellectually dishonest"?

Look, I'm Jesus.  I don't give a rats ass about Chrysler.  They build crappy
gasguzzlers. I drive a Taurus.

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I'm much more concerned about people like you who come up with intellectually
dishonest sidesteps to the torture question. Your eternal soul hangs in the balance.


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Chicken head biters?   Gee, you're deep.

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By Paul Kane
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today accused the CIA of "misleading" her on the use of harsh interrogation techniques in the fall of 2002, acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago.

Pelosi called for the CIA to release detailed notes from her own September 2002 briefing about interrogation techniques.She said today that, at that 2002 briefing, she was told the CIA was not waterboarding detainees despite later government reports showing that a high value al Qaeda detainee had been subjected to waterboarding 83 times in the weeks leading up to Pelosi's briefing.

"At every step of the way, the administration was misleading the Congress. And that is the issue," Pelosi said in a heated news conference, linking the alleged misinformation on waterboarding to now discredited intelligence reports in fall 2002 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Today was Pelosi's first chance to address the interrogation briefing issue since the CIA released a detailed memo last Thursday outlining 40 congressional briefings given since September 2002 regarding the use of what it calls "enhanced interrogation techniques" on suspected terrorists. That memo included footnotes that appeared to contradict Pelosi's previous statements that she was never personally briefed by Bush administration officials on the use of such tactics, including waterboading, a controversial technique that simulates drowning.

In a statement today, the agency stood by its memo, which said that Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.), the top members of the intelligence committee at the time, were briefed on Sept. 4, 2002 on the "the use of EITS" on an al Qaeda prisoner. "The language in the chart--'a description of the particular EITs that had been employed'--is true to the language in the Agency's records," a CIA spokesman said.

However, the agency reiterated its pronouncement from last week, when CIA Director Leon Panetta wrote to Congress that agency officials were relying on old "notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals." Classified memos, with more detailed accounts of those recollection, remain under seal at the agency's Langley, Va., headquarters, where members of the intelligence committees are allowed only to review them.

The agency is reviewing the bipartisan request, from Pelosi and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), currently the ranking member of the House intelligence committee, to release the detailed summaries of that particular briefing.

Republicans have accused Pelosi of having full knowledge of the use of waterboarding and of tacitly supporting the program, noting that she never lodged any protest with the CIA about the issue or registered any complaint with Bush White House officials. Hoekstra, at a press briefing after Pelosi's remarks, suggested that every classified briefing he has been a part of ended with intelligence officials asking lawmakers, "Are we OK to move forward on this?"

Last month President Obama released Bush-era Justice Department documents that provided the legal basis for the use of waterboarding and other harsh tactics on detainees, in interrogations that took place in so-called "dark sites" overseas. After the release of the legal memos Pelosi joined other Democrats in calling for a "truth commission" to investigate those legal memos authorizing tactics that critics have said was torture, outlawed by international treaties.

Obama has rejected calls for such a commission, saying it would become a highly politicized issue that would do little to enhance public knowledge. However, the Senate Intelligence Committee is conducting a broad review of the interrogation techniques.

Under pressure from the good guys to address when she learned of waterboarding,
Pelosi for several weeks has insisted she was never briefed on the use of waterboarding.
She did not point out that in December 2007 she issued a little-noticed statement that said she became aware of waterboarding in February 2003, when she left the intelligence committee to become House minority leader and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) succeeded her on the panel. Harman was briefed Feb. 5, 2003 about the use of waterboarding and told that tapes existed of the waterboarding of one detainee.

As the Washington Post reported Saturday, Pelosi's top aide on intelligence matters also attended the Harman briefing, a fact that
Pelosi omitted from her statements on the issue for the past several years.
Today she acknowledged that her aide, Michael Sheehy, subsequently told her about the waterboarding interrogations.

It's unclear if at that time Pelosicunt also learned that the detainee, Abu Zubaida, had been subjected to the harsh interrogation tactics before her September briefing.

She deflected criticism from Republicans that she did not object to waterboarding by suggesting that she supported Harman. who wrote a letter to the CIA general counsel questioning the techniques and whether President Bush knew of their use.

"That is the proper person to send the letter," Pelosi said, explaining that she was then the House minority leader and was not the "appropriate" person to object to the technique.

"My job was to change the majority in Congress and to change -- to fight to have a new president, because what was happening was not consistent with our values. ... Something that had to be changed. We did that. We have a new president," she said.

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mojoman wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 1:34pm:
Jesus Christ wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 1:08pm:
Riffhard wrote on May 14th, 2009 at 8:13am:
Even in death Ronald Reagan makes Barry look like the Marixst hack that he is! Remember back when people did more than apologize for their country and talk it down? I remember those days well, and it's only too bad that so many brainwashed young Obamadrones never had the chance to know the greatness of America's last great president.

Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Here Reagan completely destroys the Saul Alinsky dipshit, and to think, Reagan didn't even have to have his convictions spoon fed to him ala Barry and his Saul Alinsky Communist street organizing manifesto.


Riffy


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Reagan?  Wasn't he the washed-up actor who deregulated the Savings and Loans,
taught Latin American dictators how to torture, institutionalized greed as THE
driving force in America and laid a wreath at the graves of the Waffen-SS in Germany?

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After reading your revisionist hagiography, I'm wondering
why you aren't accused of Gipper hiccups.  But while we're
hiccupping, I would say yea, verily the seeds of today's turmoil
were planted by that Hollywood hack.

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Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you are like whitewashed tombs which do
indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside
are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanliness.






Well.........There you go again


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A contentious "Rightwing Extremism" report that warned of military veterans as possible recruits for terrorist attacks against the U.S. was not authorized, has been withdrawn and is being rewritten, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told Capitol Hill lawmakers.


"The wheels came off the wagon because the vetting process was not followed," Ms. Napolitano told the House Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday.


"The report is no longer out there," she said. "An employee sent it out without authorization."


The report was shared with state and local law enforcement officials nationwide via the department's internal Web site on April 7, angering Republican lawmakers and military veterans who said it unfairly stereotyped veterans.

Ms. Napolitano did not say when the report was taken off the "intel Web site" and all Homeland Security Department Web sites, but she said it is in the process of being "replaced or redone in a much more useful and much more precise fashion."

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So someone in the Administration admitted a mistake.  A little hard to get used to after the past 8 years, but still the right thing to do.
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