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naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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fuman wrote on May 5th, 2009 at 8:44am:
What morons, Breitbart is certifiable.

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LOL! So you're saying that the linked story is a lie? That's a great defense tactic there funman. When all else fails deny, and spin! Sounds great!

Happy Cinco de Cuatro!


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No, I didn't mean to imply that Breitbart was lying. By "certifiable" I meant he is a nut case.
(I think that's a fairly common use of the term)

I have WATCHED him say some really crazy things, Bachmann-esse stuff.


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Breitbart is certifiable??? WTF? I saw him on the Bill Maher show & he was cogent & engaging.
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Breitbart is certifiable??? WTF? I saw him on the Bill Maher show & he was cogent & engaging.



Ok, he had a fair showing on Maher. Dyson was better on the issues discussed, but Breitbart tried to give a reasonable alternate point of view.

I watched Breitbart say recently that because of Obama's policies, kids at his child's private school started referring to St Patricks Day as Potato Day. He was sober, and that is what he said. It wasn't a Fox news video cut job either.

Speaking of which, during the campaign, I watched Fox news show a story where they said Obama was dissing the US troups by saying they drop bombs on the citizens of Afghanistan. I had seen the original clip of Obama, where he said we need more troups in Afghanistan so we don't have to resort to dropping bombs which sometimes kill innocent civilians. I watched it on CSPAN.

Fox News isn't news. It is pure GOP propangada, IMO. Most other news outlets have become sappy for Obama, true. But Fox is almost 100% bullshit, and I do watch occasionally just to see for myself.
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Breitbart is certifiable??? WTF? I saw him on the Bill Maher show & he was cogent & engaging.



Ok, he had a fair showing on Maher. Dyson was better on the issues discussed, but Breitbart tried to give a reasonable alternate point of view.

I watched Breitbart say recently that because of Obama's policies, kids at his child's private school started referring to St Patricks Day as Potato Day. He was sober, and that is what he said. It wasn't a Fox news video cut job either.

Speaking of which, during the campaign, I watched Fox news show a story where they said Obama was dissing the US troups by saying they drop bombs on the citizens of Afghanistan. I had seen the original clip of Obama, where he said we need more troups in Afghanistan so we don't have to resort to dropping bombs which sometimes kill innocent civilians. I watched it on CSPAN.

Fox News isn't news. It is pure GOP propangada, IMO. Most other news outlets have become sappy for Obama, true. But Fox is almost 100% bullshit, and I do watch occasionally just to see for myself.


Oh, and PMSNBC is not 100% in the tank for Obama?
Matthews with the dribble down his leg.
Catch this from The Chosen One's staff....

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/05/white-house-msnbc.html
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fuman wrote on May 5th, 2009 at 8:58pm:
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Breitbart is certifiable??? WTF? I saw him on the Bill Maher show & he was cogent & engaging.



Ok, he had a fair showing on Maher. Dyson was better on the issues discussed, but Breitbart tried to give a reasonable alternate point of view.

I watched Breitbart say recently that because of Obama's policies, kids at his child's private school started referring to St Patricks Day as Potato Day. He was sober, and that is what he said. It wasn't a Fox news video cut job either.

Speaking of which, during the campaign, I watched Fox news show a story where they said Obama was dissing the US troups by saying they drop bombs on the citizens of Afghanistan. I had seen the original clip of Obama, where he said we need more troups in Afghanistan so we don't have to resort to dropping bombs which sometimes kill innocent civilians. I watched it on CSPAN.

Fox News isn't news. It is pure GOP propangada, IMO. Most other news outlets have become sappy for Obama, true. But Fox is almost 100% bullshit, and I do watch occasionally just to see for myself.


Oh, and PMSNBC is not 100% in the tank for Obama?
Matthews with the dribble down his leg.
Catch this from The Chosen One's staff....

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/05/white-house-msnbc.html



Yeah, they're MS-DNC. PMS really fits Fox News better these days, wouldn't you agree? In my view, Matthews is the best on MS-DNC, although he is certainly partisan. He knows the political dodges and calls them out, which is entertaining. I'm guessing that's the reason he keeps having Tom Delay on. Waiting for a gaffe. Matthews understand the reasons and ramifications for points of views on both sides, and he presses. True, he can also lay it on grossly thick, especially back around Nov 11th.

Olbermann makes some good points, in the format of some low budget Shakespearean drama. He did catch Hannity on that waterboarding dare. $1000/second! That dollar amount is not lost on Hannity. I bet he is furious still. He eats some serious crow on that one. Thing is, if Hanninny would just say that he's not gonna do it, it would be over with. $1000 per second. Ha. I can hold my breath for 90 seconds.

Maddow is too cutesy these days. She was authentic when she was a guest, back before her own show. She seems to be diong the schtik for Olbermann, or the network. I don't get it.

Who does Fox have, journalist-wise? O'reilly I guess, a journalist but a morbid MF'er. Most of Fox's daytime anchors are ex-underwear models. I just hear the political hackery as plain as day from them. Terrorist Fist Jab? WTF? Occasionally you get some actual positions. I sorta like Frum. He seems to speak his mind. Not just another memo reader. A fairly checkered past though, for my politics.
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    New Ice Cream Favor

    In Honor of the 44th President of the United States, Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has issued a new flavor, ” Barocky Road.” Barocky Road is a blend of half Vanilla, half Chocolate, and surrounded by Nuts and Flakes. The Vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient. The Nuts and Flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow. The Cost is $100.00 per scoop.

    When purchased, it will be presented to you in a large beautiful cone, but then the Ice Cream is taken away and given to the person in line behind you. Thus you are left with an empty Wallet, no change, holding an empty cone, with no hope of getting any Ice Cream.
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Corruption? Yes he can!

You Obmadrones really need to face up to the fact that this man is a petty, vindictive, self serving, union stroking cock sucker. Because that's exactly what he is.



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White House puts UAW ahead of property rights
By: Michael Barone
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05/05/09 7:11 PM   

Last Friday, the day after Chrysler filed for bankruptcy, I drove past the company’s headquarters on Interstate 75 in Auburn Hills, Mich.

As I glanced at the pentagram logo I felt myself tearing up a little bit. Anyone who grew up in the Detroit area, as I did, can’t help but be sad to see a once great company fail.

But my sadness turned to anger later when I heard what bankruptcy lawyer Tom Lauria said on a WJR talk show that morning. “One of my clients,” Lauria told host Frank Beckmann, “was directly threatened by the White House and in essence compelled to withdraw its opposition to the deal under threat that the full force of the White House press corps would destroy its reputation if it continued to fight.”

Lauria represented one of the bondholder firms, Perella Weinberg, which initially rejected the Obama deal that would give the bondholders about 33 cents on the dollar for their secured debts while giving the United Auto Workers retirees about 50 cents on the dollar for their unsecured debts.

This of course is a violation of one of the basic principles of bankruptcy law, which is that secured creditors — those who lended money only on the contractual promise that if the debt was unpaid they’d get specific property back — get paid off in full before unsecured creditors get anything. Perella Weinberg withdrew its objection to the settlement, but other bondholders did not, which triggered the bankruptcy filing.

After that came a denunciation of the objecting bondholders as “speculators” by Barack Obama in his news conference last Thursday. And then death threats to bondholders from parties unknown.

The White House denied that it strong-armed Perella Weinberg. The firm issued a statement saying it decided to accept the settlement, but it pointedly did not deny that it had been threatened by the White House. Which is to say, the threat worked.

The same goes for big banks that have received billions in government Troubled Asset Relief Program money. Many of them want to give back the money, but the government won’t let them. They also voted to accept the Chrysler settlement. Nice little bank ya got there, wouldn’t want anything to happen to it.

Left-wing bloggers have been saying that the White House’s denial of making threats should be taken at face value and that Lauria’s statement is not evidence to the contrary. But that’s ridiculous. Lauria is a reputable lawyer and a contributor to Democratic candidates. He has no motive to lie. The White House does.

Think carefully about what’s happening here. The White House, presumably car czar Steven Rattner and deputy Ron Bloom, is seeking to transfer the property of one group of people to another group that is politically favored. In the process, it is setting aside basic property rights in favor of rewarding the United Auto Workers for the support the union has given the Democratic Party. The only possible limit on the White House’s power is the bankruptcy judge, who might not go along.

Michigan politicians of both parties joined Obama in denouncing the holdout bondholders. They point to the sad plight of UAW retirees not getting full payment of the health care benefits the union negotiated with Chrysler. But the plight of the beneficiaries of the pension funds represented by the bondholders is sad too. Ordinarily you would expect these claims to be weighed and determined by the rule of law. But not apparently in this administration.

Obama’s attitude toward the rule of law is apparent in the words he used to describe what he is looking for in a nominee to replace Justice David Souter. He wants “someone who understands justice is not just about some abstract legal theory,” he said, but someone who has “empathy.” In other words, judges should decide cases so that the right people win, not according to the rule of law.

The Chrysler negotiations will not be the last occasion for this administration to engage in bailout favoritism and crony capitalism. There’s a May 31 deadline to come up with a settlement for General Motors. And there will be others. In the meantime, who is going to buy bonds from unionized companies if the government is going to take their money away and give it to the union? We have just seen an episode of Gangster Government. It is likely to be part of a continuing series.

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I see the truth about Barry Co. bores you funman. Well, fear not my man. Soon he and the entire Democrat party will pay the price for fleecing the country, and trying to socially engineer the electorate.

I can tell for a fact that many many people are starting to wake up about this horrible president. Congrats! The Democrat Party can now claim the top, or should I say bottom, two spots of worst presidents ever. Carter and Obama. Democrats have sealed their collective fates by electing the most radical president in the history of this nation. People in the media love to talk about the Republican Party being in disarray, but they are conveniently ignoring the fact that people are scared to death of what this clown is doing. Mark my words here funman, the Democrats are going to get a huge comeuppance, and when that happens I hope that we can undo even half of what this Marxist bastard has done. We will, and when we do we won't forget the idiocy that led to this ideologues election and the people, read media, that helped get him elected are going to pay a huge price as well.


Liberals are idiots. I can see no other rational explanation for their idiotic drone-like devotion to a man that has as his number one priority the complete remaking of the American way of life. Redistribution is nothing more than stealing. The fact that liberals think that nothing is wrong with this insanity proves to me that they are complete and utter morons that should pitied. I can't pity them though. No I'm too pissed at these asshole partisans that so hated Bush that happily handed over their liberty, as well as mine to a man that would like nothing more than to be president for life. You liberals fucked us all. So go fuck yourselves!


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This wasn't "from" DailyKOS, that was where I saw it. The site it was from is the link above, although it has been taken down.

    New Ice Cream Favor

    In Honor of the 44th President of the United States, Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has issued a new flavor, ” Barocky Road.” Barocky Road is a blend of half Vanilla, half Chocolate, and surrounded by Nuts and Flakes. The Vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient. The Nuts and Flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow. The Cost is $100.00 per scoop.

    When purchased, it will be presented to you in a large beautiful cone, but then the Ice Cream is taken away and given to the person in line behind you. Thus you are left with an empty Wallet, no change, holding an empty cone, with no hope of getting any Ice Cream.
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Man this still rages on......Im headin back to regularly scheduled threading.....good luck to all
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I see the truth about Barry Co. bores you funman. Well, fear not my man. Soon he and the entire Democrat party will pay the price for fleecing the country, and trying to socially engineer the electorate.

I can tell for a fact that many many people are starting to wake up about this horrible president. Congrats! The Democrat Party can now claim the top, or should I say bottom, two spots of worst presidents ever. Carter and Obama. Democrats have sealed their collective fates by electing the most radical president in the history of this nation. People in the media love to talk about the Republican Party being in disarray, but they are conveniently ignoring the fact that people are scared to death of what this clown is doing. Mark my words here funman, the Democrats are going to get a huge comeuppance, and when that happens I hope that we can undo even half of what this Marxist bastard has done. We will, and when we do we won't forget the idiocy that led to this ideologues election and the people, read media, that helped get him elected are going to pay a huge price as well.


Liberals are idiots. I can see no other rational explanation for their idiotic drone-like devotion to a man that has as his number one priority the complete remaking of the American way of life. Redistribution is nothing more than stealing. The fact that liberals think that nothing is wrong with this insanity proves to me that they are complete and utter morons that should pitied. I can't pity them though. No I'm too pissed at these asshole partisans that so hated Bush that happily handed over their liberty, as well as mine to a man that would like nothing more than to be president for life. You liberals fucked us all. So go fuck yourselves!


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I actually like Carter, he is a man of integrity. As I recall, it was Rove who touted a Permanent Majority with his Christian fear voters. That didn't work out so well for him though. There are still many citizens who don't vote and a large portion of them DID vote in 2008. I think that was the difference. That and the fact that the Republican VP nominee was a total nutcase, and fear does motivate.

I'm thinking we don't have the same definition of "rational".

Pitty you aren't able to enjoy the Obama Presidency. He is making lots of tough calls, lots to be concerned about, true. I wonder what Jesus would do . . . oh, probably cut taxes for the wealthy.
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Pity you aren't able to see it for what it is...

WASHINGTON — Although President Obama has vowed that citizens will be able to track "every dime" of the $787 billion stimulus bill, a government website dedicated to the spending won't have details on contracts and grants until October and may not be complete until next spring — halfway through the program, administration officials said.
Recovery.gov now lists programs being funded by the stimulus money, but provides no details on who received the grants and contracts. Agencies won't report that data until Oct. 10, according to Earl Devaney, chairman of the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, which manages the website.

Devaney told a House subcommittee Tuesday that it will be a challenge to have the site ready to present spending data in five months. He said after the hearing that the board doesn't have enough data storage capacity, for example.

Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, a Republican serving on the House Science and Technology subcommittee, criticized the administration's decision to require reporting of only the first two recipients of stimulus spending. Broun said that means if the money goes to a state and then a city, the identities of the city's contractors will be unavailable.

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Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free

Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:03 PM

By: Dave Eberhart   

According to a new study released by the Mercatus Center of George Mason University, some of the most liberal U.S. states rank lowest when it comes to personal freedom.

The study, which calls itself the “first-ever comprehensive ranking of the American states on their public policies affecting individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres,” made a host of findings:

The freest states in the country are New Hampshire, Colorado, and South Dakota, which together achieve a virtual tie for first place. All three states feature low taxes and government spending -- and middling levels of regulation and paternalism.

New York is the least overall free by a considerable margin, followed by New Jersey, Rhode Island, California, and Maryland.

Unfortunately, say the report authors, these freedom-disadvantaged states “make up a substantial portion of the total American population. Moreover, these bottom five states have considerable ground to make up even to move off this ignoble list, let alone into a creditable position in the rankings.”

When weighing personal freedom alone, Alaska is the clear winner, while Maryland brings up the rear.

Sarah Palin’s Alaska does extremely well on personal freedom, conclude study authors. Reasons for its high personal freedom alone score include: fully legalized possession of small amounts of marijuana (accomplished through a court ruling), the best (least restrictive) gun laws in the country, recognition of same-sex domestic partnerships, and possibly the best homeschooling laws in the country.

As for freedom in the different regions of the country, the Mountain and West North Central regions are the freest overall -- while the Middle Atlantic lags far behind on both economic and personal freedom.

There are real benefits to scoring high on economic and personal freedoms, conclude the study’s authors. Their analysis demonstrated that states enjoying more economic and personal freedom tend to attract substantially higher rates of internal net migration.

The Problem with Being Liberal

According to the study, previous research has shown that, as of 2006, Alabama and Mississippi were the most conservative states in the country, while New York and New Jersey were the most liberal. In the index put forth by the new study, Alabama and Mississippi fall in the middle, while New York and New Jersey are at the bottom.

“The problem is that the cultural values of liberal governments seem on balance to require more regulation of individual behavior than do the cultural values of conservative governments,” say the study’s authors. “While liberal states are freer than conservative states on marijuana and same-sex partnership policies, when it comes to gun owners, home schoolers, motorists, or smokers, liberal states are nanny states, while conservative states are more tolerant.”

Some Individual State Profiles

Illinois is one of the worst states to live in from a personal freedom perspective (#49). On economic freedom it is in the middle of the pack (#29). Illinois has the fourth harshest gun control laws in the country, after California, Maryland, and New York, and the state’s victimless crimes arrest rates are almost unfathomable: In 2006, more than 2 percent of the state’s population was arrested for a victimless crime (and that figure does not count under-18s). Nearly one-third of all arrests were for victimless crimes.

Texas (#7 economic, #5 personal, #5 overall) has one of the smallest state governments in the country. As a percentage of corrected GSP, Texas has the second lowest tax burden in the country and the third lowest grants-adjusted government spending. However, government employment is a standard deviation higher than the national average. Gun control is better than average, but the state falls short on open-carry laws, stricter-than-federal minimum age for purchase rules, and dealer licensing.

Alcohol is less regulated than in most other states, and taxes are low. Low-level marijuana cultivation is a misdemeanor, but otherwise marijuana laws are very harsh.

Colorado, the #2 state, achieved its ranking through excellent fiscal numbers and above-average numbers on regulation and paternalism. The state is the most fiscally decentralized in the country, with localities raising fully 44.5 percent of all state and local expenditures. By percentage of adjusted GSP, Colorado has the third lowest tax burden in the country, surpassed only by Tennessee and Texas. It has resisted the temptation of “sin taxes,” with low rates on beer, wine, spirits, and cigarettes. On the other hand, Colorado’s smoking bans are among the most extreme in the country, with no exceptions or local option for any locations other than workplaces. Colorado is 1 of 12 states to have decriminalized low-level marijuana possession.

Oregon (#36 economic, #7 personal, #27 overall) is the freest Pacific state. Oddly, government spending is high but taxes are low, resulting in rather high state debt. Public safety and administration look particularly ripe for cutting. Gun control laws are about average. Marijuana possession is decriminalized below a certain level, and there is medical marijuana (cultivation and sale are felonies, though). Oregon is one of the few states to refuse to authorize sobriety checkpoints. Oregon is the only state to permit physician-assisted suicide. Private and home school regulations are quite reasonable. State land use planning is far advanced. The minimum wage is the highest in the country when adjusted for average wages.

The study touts that it improves on prior attempts to score economic freedom for American states in three primary ways: (1) it includes measures of social and personal freedoms such as peaceable citizens’ rights to educate their own children, own and carry firearms, and be free from unreasonable search and seizure; (2) it includes far more variables, even on economic policies alone, than prior studies, and there are no missing data on any variable; and (3) it uses new, more accurate measurements of key variables, particularly state fiscal policies.

“We develop and justify our ratings and aggregation procedure on explicitly normative criteria, defining individual freedom as the ability to dispose of one’s own life, liberty, and justly acquired property however one sees fit, so long as one does not coercively infringe on another individual’s ability to do the same,” note the authors.
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The Democrat Party can now claim the top, or should I say bottom, two spots of worst presidents ever. Carter and Obama.


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please refer to the following ranking of the presidents, published in february of this year.

http://www.c-span.org/PresidentialSurvey/Overall-Ranking.aspx

there are ten presidents between jimmy carter and bush. i know because i counted them. so pardon moi for saying so, but i would take the word of the presidential historians who made the list over you. no offense. notice that it also doesn't include barry, mostly because of the fact that it is too #@!$ing early to tell.

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No I'm too pissed at these asshole partisans that so hated Bush that happily handed over their liberty, as well as mine to a man that would like nothing more than to be president for life. You liberals fucked us all. So go fuck yourselves!


also, please direct me to the video/book/pamphlet in which barry declares his intentions to be dictator for life.

and if you could, please have glenny make a few more references to austrian doors and windows.

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Reply #4717 - May 6th, 2009 at 4:08pm
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I figured a "Bush hiccup" was due...
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Reply #4718 - May 6th, 2009 at 4:55pm
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nankerphelge wrote on May 6th, 2009 at 3:25pm:
Pity you aren't able to see it for what it is...

WASHINGTON — Although President Obama has vowed that citizens will be able to track "every dime" of the $787 billion stimulus bill, a government website dedicated to the spending won't have details on contracts and grants until October and may not be complete until next spring — halfway through the program, administration officials said.
Recovery.gov now lists programs being funded by the stimulus money, but provides no details on who received the grants and contracts. Agencies won't report that data until Oct. 10, according to Earl Devaney, chairman of the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, which manages the website.

Devaney told a House subcommittee Tuesday that it will be a challenge to have the site ready to present spending data in five months. He said after the hearing that the board doesn't have enough data storage capacity, for example.

Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, a Republican serving on the House Science and Technology subcommittee, criticized the administration's decision to require reporting of only the first two recipients of stimulus spending. Broun said that means if the money goes to a state and then a city, the identities of the city's contractors will be unavailable.




Well, the stimulus is certainly debatable. Seems like anytime the government hands out money, there are more than a few greedy Americans stealing what they can. Elizabeth Warren has been saying that much more oversight is necessary, and I agree with her.

Earl Devaney seems like a decent American, but I know little about him.

There's always going to be fraud.
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nankerphelge wrote on May 6th, 2009 at 3:48pm:
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Don't think you have to worry about President Obama declaring himself to be dictator for life, but I admit I was concerned about W with the provisions that were put in the Patriot Act regarding postponement of elections. Seems foolish to me now, but I had some ranting moments last summer because of the threats to Obama coming from racists.
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Reply #4720 - May 6th, 2009 at 6:34pm
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Howe about posting some of those stock market charts that were so popular a couple of months ago?
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Reply #4721 - May 6th, 2009 at 6:41pm
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Riffhard wrote on May 6th, 2009 at 2:29pm:
Corruption? Yes he can!

You Obmadrones really need to face up to the fact that this man is a petty, vindictive, self serving, union stroking cock sucker. Because that's exactly what he is.



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By: Michael Barone
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05/05/09 7:11 PM  

Last Friday, the day after Chrysler filed for bankruptcy, I drove past the company’s headquarters on Interstate 75 in Auburn Hills, Mich.

As I glanced at the pentagram logo I felt myself tearing up a little bit. Anyone who grew up in the Detroit area, as I did, can’t help but be sad to see a once great company fail.

But my sadness turned to anger later when I heard what bankruptcy lawyer Tom Lauria said on a WJR talk show that morning. “One of my clients,” Lauria told host Frank Beckmann, “was directly threatened by the White House and in essence compelled to withdraw its opposition to the deal under threat that the full force of the White House press corps would destroy its reputation if it continued to fight.”

Lauria represented one of the bondholder firms, Perella Weinberg, which initially rejected the Obama deal that would give the bondholders about 33 cents on the dollar for their secured debts while giving the United Auto Workers retirees about 50 cents on the dollar for their unsecured debts.

This of course is a violation of one of the basic principles of bankruptcy law, which is that secured creditors — those who lended money only on the contractual promise that if the debt was unpaid they’d get specific property back — get paid off in full before unsecured creditors get anything. Perella Weinberg withdrew its objection to the settlement, but other bondholders did not, which triggered the bankruptcy filing.

After that came a denunciation of the objecting bondholders as “speculators” by Barack Obama in his news conference last Thursday. And then death threats to bondholders from parties unknown.

The White House denied that it strong-armed Perella Weinberg. The firm issued a statement saying it decided to accept the settlement, but it pointedly did not deny that it had been threatened by the White House. Which is to say, the threat worked.

The same goes for big banks that have received billions in government Troubled Asset Relief Program money. Many of them want to give back the money, but the government won’t let them. They also voted to accept the Chrysler settlement. Nice little bank ya got there, wouldn’t want anything to happen to it.

Left-wing bloggers have been saying that the White House’s denial of making threats should be taken at face value and that Lauria’s statement is not evidence to the contrary. But that’s ridiculous. Lauria is a reputable lawyer and a contributor to Democratic candidates. He has no motive to lie. The White House does.

Think carefully about what’s happening here. The White House, presumably car czar Steven Rattner and deputy Ron Bloom, is seeking to transfer the property of one group of people to another group that is politically favored. In the process, it is setting aside basic property rights in favor of rewarding the United Auto Workers for the support the union has given the Democratic Party. The only possible limit on the White House’s power is the bankruptcy judge, who might not go along.

Michigan politicians of both parties joined Obama in denouncing the holdout bondholders. They point to the sad plight of UAW retirees not getting full payment of the health care benefits the union negotiated with Chrysler. But the plight of the beneficiaries of the pension funds represented by the bondholders is sad too. Ordinarily you would expect these claims to be weighed and determined by the rule of law. But not apparently in this administration.

Obama’s attitude toward the rule of law is apparent in the words he used to describe what he is looking for in a nominee to replace Justice David Souter. He wants “someone who understands justice is not just about some abstract legal theory,” he said, but someone who has “empathy.” In other words, judges should decide cases so that the right people win, not according to the rule of law.

The Chrysler negotiations will not be the last occasion for this administration to engage in bailout favoritism and crony capitalism. There’s a May 31 deadline to come up with a settlement for General Motors. And there will be others. In the meantime, who is going to buy bonds from unionized companies if the government is going to take their money away and give it to the union? We have just seen an episode of Gangster Government. It is likely to be part of a continuing series.


Take heed Obamadrones! A FOX News pundit has spoken!

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Reply #4722 - May 6th, 2009 at 6:55pm
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And the hits just keep on coming! I mean who ya gonna believe a Chicago thug politician that used dispicable tactics in getting elected to the Ill. State Senate or all the people that coming out and claiming that The Marxist One is using mafia-like extortion tactics?


Barry is as corrupt as the day is long.



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New Allegations Of White House Threats Over Chrysler
John Carney|May. 5, 2009, 12:33 PM|162


Creditors to Chrysler describe negotiations with the company and the Obama administration as "a farce," saying the administration was bent on forcing their hands using hardball tactics and threats.

Conversations with administration officials left them expecting that they would be politically targeted, two participants in the negotiations said.

Although the focus has so been on allegations that the White House threatened Perella Weinberg, sources familiar with the matter say that other firms felt they were threatened as well. None of the sources would agree to speak except on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of political repercussions.

The sources, who represent creditors to Chrysler, say they were taken aback by the hardball tactics that the Obama administration employed to cajole them into acquiescing to plans to restructure Chrysler. One person described the administration as the most shocking "end justifies the means" group they have ever encountered.  Another characterized Obama was "the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger." Both were voters for Obama in the last election.

One participant in negotiations said that the administration's tactic was to present what one described as a  "madman theory of the presidency" in which the President is someone to be feared because he was willing to do anything to get his way. The person said this threat was taken very seriously by his firm.

The White House has denied the allegation that it threatened Perella Weinberg.

Last week Obama singled out the firms that continue to oppose his plan for Chrysler, saying he would not stand with them. Perella Weinberg says it was convinced to support the plan by this stark drawing of a line between firms that have the president's backing and those that did not. They didn't want to be on the wrong side of Obama. Privately, administration officials have expressed confidence that other firms will switch sides for this reason.

These allegations add to the picture of an administration willing to use intimidation to win over support for its Chrysler plans--and then categorically deny it.
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Reply #4724 - May 6th, 2009 at 7:41pm
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on May 6th, 2009 at 6:34pm:
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Howe about posting some of those stock market charts that were so popular a couple of months ago?
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I think you should sell all of your 401K to protest the corrupt socialist system we have now!!
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