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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
  5 (20.0%)
Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Pdog I will offer you a public apology for insulting you. That was not, and never has been, my intent. I know you. I have hungout with you. Hell, I have even spent the night in a hotel room with you! Not like that you freaks!!!

It's just that for the life of me I cannot understand your position on Obama. I have tried in vain to get someone, anyone, to give me one thing about this man that shows that he has any leadership qualities. I can list item after item that not only shows why I don't support him, but I can give reams of evidence that proves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he is not only not to be trusted, but should be rejected by anyone that is honest about who he is. This is why I always ask you to do some reading about the real Barrack Obama.

He has less experience that does Palin yet Obama supporters continue to slam Palin for lack of experience! It is like living in the Twilight Zone! Facts mean nothing. 143 "present" votes mean nothing. Radical associates mean nothing. A tax plan that will adversly affect every single man, woman, and child in the USA means nothing. A blatant wealth redistribution socialist agenda means nothing. His adhearence to the views of Saul Alinsky means nothing. 200 million in illegal over seas contributions means nothing.


So I ask again. What does Barrack Obama bring to the table that inspires any confidence in his abilities to be president? Also, can anyone name one single cotribution that Barrack Obama has to his name. Just one.

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lotsajizz wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 7:31pm:
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Funny. Now do me a favor and give me an example of one thing that I have made up about The Socialist One.


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I have read both of Obama's books. I have read an incredibly taxing book by Saul Alinsky called Rules For Radicals. I read the freakshow lib websites on a daily basis. I read the NYT on a regular basis just to get a laugh. I also watch that mental midget Keith Olberman and Chris "a thrill going up my leg" Matthews. I can say unequivacly that I read more than you do on this subject from every prespective out there. I know I do in fact. I, unlike many, am a very informed voter. Too bad that more aren't really. Because I know for a fact that if more people knew who Obama was he wouldn't stand a chance. We'd be talking about Hillary vs McCain right now. I think that you that that's true as well Jizzy.


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Riffhard wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 7:45pm:
Pdog I will offer you a public apology for insulting you. That was not, and never has been, my intent. I know you. I have hungout with you. Hell, I have even spent the night in a hotel room with you! Not like that you freaks!!!

It's just that for the life of me I cannot understand your position on Obama. I have tried in vain to get someone, anyone, to give me one thing about this man that shows that he has any leadership qualities. I can list item after item that not only shows why I don't support him, but I can give reams of evidence that proves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he is not only not to be trusted, but should be rejected by anyone that is honest about who he is. This is why I always ask you to do some reading about the real Barrack Obama.

He has less experience that does Palin yet Obama supporters continue to slam Palin for lack of experience! It is like living in the Twilight Zone! Facts mean nothing. 143 "present" votes mean nothing. Radical associates mean nothing. A tax plan that will adversly affect every single man, woman, and child in the USA means nothing. A blatant wealth redistribution socialist agenda means nothing. His adhearence to the views of Saul Alinsky means nothing. 200 million in illegal over seas contributions means nothing.


So I ask again. What does Barrack Obama bring to the table that inspires any confidence in his abilities to be president? Also, can anyone name one single cotribution that Barrack Obama has to his name. Just one.

Riffy


He won the democratic national party convention, and is currently leading the race to be the next president all while pissing of you. Pretty remarkable accomplishment...
He didn't have to do anything but talk. See people are so shut out by the past 8 yrs, ignored, left out, hopeless, miserable, hurting, frightened... he made them feel like someone cared, and has taken those people and already given great amounts of hope. Maybe you don't like it, but for most humans, the entire lifes come and go, and this may be the only time they might ever feel good or beoieve that good stuff can happen in their lives.  I don't know why you don't like it or compare to a messiah like it is a bad thing. Some people drink and shoot drugs to try to feel good. He's inspired millions to believe in america again. There's no resume required to be a leader. Thety come from gutters, prisons, schools, churches, backrooms, farms, armies and even sometimes it is just a child. That was my case, he inspired my kid. I didn't push Barrack, I was libertarian, my wife was Clinton. We did the opposite of pushing towrds, we asked hard questions. My son doesn't like hearing about young soldiers dyi ng in a war, and thinks Bush was wrong. He believes Obama, would work hard to make sure, he doesn't have to go kill and die in a war. I'll have him call you, so you can dash his 7 yr old hope and tell him how fucked up Obama is, and how Obama will kill him, you take Hope and turn it into despair, give him some Christian beliefs!
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Reply #456 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 9:49pm
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Pdog wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 9:00pm:
Riffhard wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 7:45pm:
Pdog I will offer you a public apology for insulting you. That was not, and never has been, my intent. I know you. I have hungout with you. Hell, I have even spent the night in a hotel room with you! Not like that you freaks!!!

It's just that for the life of me I cannot understand your position on Obama. I have tried in vain to get someone, anyone, to give me one thing about this man that shows that he has any leadership qualities. I can list item after item that not only shows why I don't support him, but I can give reams of evidence that proves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he is not only not to be trusted, but should be rejected by anyone that is honest about who he is. This is why I always ask you to do some reading about the real Barrack Obama.

He has less experience that does Palin yet Obama supporters continue to slam Palin for lack of experience! It is like living in the Twilight Zone! Facts mean nothing. 143 "present" votes mean nothing. Radical associates mean nothing. A tax plan that will adversly affect every single man, woman, and child in the USA means nothing. A blatant wealth redistribution socialist agenda means nothing. His adhearence to the views of Saul Alinsky means nothing. 200 million in illegal over seas contributions means nothing.


So I ask again. What does Barrack Obama bring to the table that inspires any confidence in his abilities to be president? Also, can anyone name one single cotribution that Barrack Obama has to his name. Just one.

Riffy


He won the democratic national party convention, and is currently leading the race to be the next president all while pissing of you. Pretty remarkable accomplishment...
He didn't have to do anything but talk. See people are so shut out by the past 8 yrs, ignored, left out, hopeless, miserable, hurting, frightened... he made them feel like someone cared, and has taken those people and already given great amounts of hope. Maybe you don't like it, but for most humans, the entire lifes come and go, and this may be the only time they might ever feel good or beoieve that good stuff can happen in their lives.  I don't know why you don't like it or compare to a messiah like it is a bad thing. Some people drink and shoot drugs to try to feel good. He's inspired millions to believe in america again. There's no resume required to be a leader. Thety come from gutters, prisons, schools, churches, backrooms, farms, armies and even sometimes it is just a child. That was my case, he inspired my kid. I didn't push Barrack, I was libertarian, my wife was Clinton. We did the opposite of pushing towrds, we asked hard questions. My son doesn't like hearing about young soldiers dyi ng in a war, and thinks Bush was wrong. He believes Obama, would work hard to make sure, he doesn't have to go kill and die in a war. I'll have him call you, so you can dash his 7 yr old hope and tell him how fucked up Obama is, and how Obama will kill him, you take Hope and turn it into despair, give him some Christian beliefs!


Well then I am glad that this charlatan has given you, and your family hope. That, by the way, is straight out of Rules For Radicals. It's a strategy. A hoax, a plot, if you will.

I would strongly suggest that you give this a listen and understand that Barrack's class warfare tactics, his pinning his hopes on the "helpless", and his continual use of the mantra "hope and change" come directly, almost verbatim from this book. This book was designed for the explicit purpose of duping people into buying into socialism, and more to the point, Marxism. It is a strategy and it is working for Obama because people actually believe that this guy cares. He doesn't give two shits about you or your seven year old son, and this proves it. Just listen to that crazy right wing bastard Mark Levin read directly from Rules For Radicals, a book that has taught me just about all I need to know about Barry. I read it about a month ago and it is the very source that Obama lifts all of his radical, and they are radical, ideas from. This is the exact same book that led Barry to the doorstep of The Saul Alinsky Action Group. It is this very book that Barry used to help indoctrinate many other socialist leaning types in Chicago, and in ACORN specifically.


Trust me Pdog, even though you may hate Levin, you can not deny what he is reading because it is exactly what Obama has been shoveling down everyone's throats. Man up and give this a listen. It may just open your eyes to the real Obama and his plan for you, your wife, your seven year old son, and your country. It may also scare the living shit out of you. It certainly should.


http://marklevinshow.com/wp-content/themes/levin/player/?url=http://podloc.andom...


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Reply #457 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 9:51pm
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Pdog wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 2:29pm:
LJ, and everyone... Regardless of you are voting for, I like you, am enjoying my right to vote, and cast no judgement on your voting choices. I have a great respect for anyone who is voting their conscoius, and especially someone who struggled with the decision and may have voted in a "new way". I'm voting for a Dem, I always have voted Green or Libertarian. I know Jizzy has changed his mind, LJ, Meg and possibly a few others from how they voted for years ago... I am not stupid or ignorant or out of my mind. I am an american exercisisng my right to vote for whoever and however I choose! If you don't like it, you think I give a rats ass? People died for this shit, I do not take it lightly or throw around attacks so lightly, and so blindly!!!




Amen P.
Amen.

I am now done with this thread.
I have a mouse trap right here and will attach it to my fingers if I feel the need to post.

God Bless the Winner and God Bless the United States of America.

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I'm with ya LJ. Yes I will vote for Obama. But if McStain wins. So be it. I really hope he is the man for the job. Yes,it is possible....But tearing everbody apart with partisanship does no good....Let's (dare to dream) hope that after the election.Everybody let's bygone's be bygone's...And gosh darnit ...We let bygones,be what they are...And whoever does it.This beatiful land of ours,gets back on the right track. Smiley
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"True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.."


Hmmmm...Gee, I wonder who took these teachings to heart. "Fool them, infiltrate them, offer them hope, and then change them."



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"True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.."


Hmmmm...Gee, I wonder who took these teachings to heart. "Fool them, infiltrate them, offer them hope, and then change them."



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I occasionally represent clients who subscribe to what may be charitably described as unusual legal theories.  Some of them believe, for example, that they can make themselves immune to the criminal law by designating themselves as "secured party creditors" and incorporating their legal names, thus preventing prosecutors from placing their names on charging instruments.  These clients, for some reason, are not swayed by my argument that, if their theory were valid, attorneys for powerful criminals like John Gotti or Martha Stewart would have used it to keep their clients out of prison.  Similarly, I suspect that you will not be daunted by the suggestion that you just might not be so much smarter or better informed than Warren Buffett and Colin Powell that you have uncovered this hidden Obama.  Mr. Levin and his mentors, Limbaugh and Hannity, are self-evidently not as smart as Buffett or Powell.  So forgive me if I see you as well-meaning (I'll give you that) but embarrassingly delusional.
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Let the Blame Game Begin

Barack Obama and the Democrats appear poised for an historic sweep, we have a message for our Republican friends: It is time to point fingers.

We are pro-finger-pointing. We disagree strongly with Gov. Sarah Palin who said recently, "Do you notice that our opponents sure have spent a lot of time looking at the past and pointing fingers? You look to the past because that's where you find blame, but we're...looking to the future, because that's where you find solutions." On the contrary, Governor, blame assignment, while much maligned, is essential to determining what went wrong and how to set it right. Besides, it's a hell of a spectator sport. Here's our primer for a little game we like to call Big Losers Always Make Excuses (BLAME):

First -- a couple of ground rules. You can't blame the press or minorities. Sure, media-bashing is part of the conservative catechism, and minority voters are likely to support Barack Obama in record numbers. But finger-pointing is only interesting when you point at someone on your team. Republicans need a civil war -- a steel cage death match -- to sort out what they stand for. Scapegoating outsiders won't purge the party of what's rotting it on the inside.

Here's the most important thing about finger-pointing: you have to start early. If you're a Republican who wants to avoid blame for the current meltdown, you cannot afford to wait until after the election is over.

The smartest people in the conservative movement are already pointing like a bird dog on a South Georgia quail hunt. David Brooks and Bill Kristol are leading the way. Mr. Brooks, representing the intellectual wing of the conservative movement, called Ms. Palin, "a fatal cancer to the Republican Party." Attaboy, Brooksie. Score one for the brainiacs.

Mr. Kristol, on the other hand, blames neither Ms. Palin nor Sen. John McCain, but rather McCain's campaign advisers, writing of the campaign: "Its combination of strategic incoherence and operational incompetence has become toxic." See? That's how you do it. Kristol can't say McCain's problem is that he supported the Iraq war, (which Kristol advocated) or that he chose Sarah Palin (whom Kristol praised). So rather than play defense, Bill went on offense, blaming McCain's Steve Schmidt-led campaign. But we have a feeling this fight will only begin when the Schmidt hits the fan.

But where are the other voices? We need to hear, for example, from Karl Rove. Whom will he blame? We stipulate that Karl is a genius -- albeit a genius whose advice took Pres. Bush from a 91 percent approval rating down to 26. With the House of Bush ablaze, Karl is going to have to do some quick finger-pointing before they change his nickname from The Architect to The Arsonist.

How about Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and other radio personalities? They never liked McCain much -- but his campaign cratered only when he embraced their wild attacks on Sen. Obama. It was only after Mr. McCain borrowed the Limbaugh-Hannity line on Bill Ayers, only after Gov. Palin accused Mr. Obama of "pallin' around with terrorists," that the bottom fell out for Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin. We're betting the hot air boys will blame the intellectuals. After all, if you want to make an omelet, you've got to break a few eggheads.

The Republican Party is atomizing, and each faction must participate in Project BLAME. The neocons may want to blame the theocons. The economic conservatives will likely blame the big spenders. The conflagration will be so multi-dimensional we'll need a program to sort out the players. They will need to answer fundamental questions: What does it mean to be a Republican? Do Republicans support laissez-faire or nationalized banking? Do Republicans support a balanced budget or half-trillion-dollar deficits? Do Republicans want a "humble foreign policy" like George W. Bush, or preventive war against countries that pose no threat, like, umm, George W. Bush? Are Republicans the party of limited government or a vast Medicare prescription drug benefit? Are they wary of Big Brother or eager to expand warrantless wiretaps? Do they support Christian values or torture? Are they the party that believes that cutting-edge technology can shoot a missile out of the sky or the party that believes humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously?

These questions should define the 2012 GOP presidential primaries. So start blaming, all you would-be candidates. That means you, Ms. Palin, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist. Hurry up. You only have 1,165 days left until the Iowa Caucuses.
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Riffy,
I occasionally represent clients who subscribe to what may be charitably described as unusual legal theories.  Some of them believe, for example, that they can make themselves immune to the criminal law by designating themselves as "secured party creditors" and incorporating their legal names, thus preventing prosecutors from placing their names on charging instruments.  These clients, for some reason, are not swayed by my argument that, if their theory were valid, attorneys for powerful criminals like John Gotti or Martha Stewart would have used it to keep their clients out of prison.  Similarly, I suspect that you will not be daunted by the suggestion that you just might not be so much smarter or better informed than Warren Buffett and Colin Powell that you have uncovered this hidden Obama.  Mr. Levin and his mentors, Limbaugh and Hannity, are self-evidently not as smart as Buffett or Powell.  So forgive me if I see you as well-meaning (I'll give you that) but embarrassingly delusional.



With all due respect BJ I reject your contention that Warren Buffet or Colin Powell is "self-evidently" smarter than Mark Levin. I don't see how you can even try and claim that in fact. Warren Buffet is a very rich man big deal. Colin Powell has never struck me as the most intelligent man in the room either frankly. Not that he's dumb, but there is certainly no evidence that he is smarter than Mark Levin.

Levin is considered by his peers to be one of the top legal minds in the country when it comes to Constitutional Law. He was the Chief of Staff for Edwin Meese in the Reagan Administration, and founded the Landmark Legal Foundation as well. He is a best selling author two times over. He also is the host of the fastest growing talk radio program in the nation. So any bones of contention that you may have with his intellect is founded on nothing but a partisan bias on your part. The guy is flat out smart, and I'd put his legal mind well above those of Buffet's or Powell's any day of the week.

The pretentious crap about "well-meaning, but embarrassingly delusional" is a pure crap patronizing argument as well. I'm no lawyer, but it doesn't take a lawyer to figure out what Obama is all about. He didn't ever try and hide until he decided to run for public office. (Remember Alinsky's teachings here about fooling and infiltrating them "fitting in")

Let's go over the known facts about the man.

His father, who left him in childhood still played a huge roll in his worldview as he points out with great clarity in Dreams of My Father. His father was also an avowed socialist with strong leanings towards Marxism, and it could be argued, Stalinism.

He went to Harvard and immediately became part of at least two socialist organizations on campus that he has spoken about publicly (no longer obviously). It was also in Harvard that he delved deeply into the teaching of Saul Alinsky the radical socialist/Marxist. He was nose deep in Reveille For Radicals and Rules For Radicals before he ever stepped foot onto Harvard's campus. From there he became a member of The Saul Alinsky Action Group. He taught many students the teachings of Alinsky, and continue to do so when he became a community organizer. It's no coincidence that Saul Alinsky too was a community organizer.

He, even back in his Harvard days, hung out almost exclusively with students and faculty that were decidedly leftist in their own worldview.

After Harvard Barrack immediately pursued a career in local politics. He, at this time, befriended William Ayers and started his political career in the living room of Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dorn. This was a fundraiser that launched his run for a state senate seat in Illinois. He, btw, blatantly lied about this in the last debate.

It was also at this time that Barrack started attending Trinity. Reverend Wright became a part of his circle of leftist friends, and Obama soaked up Black Liberation Theology (socialism) with fervor. He attended this church for over twenty years, and also was introduced to another socialist named Father Micheal Phleger. Barrack had his kids baptized by Reverand Wright, and only quit (I could no longer disown him then I could my own typical white grandmother) when Wright became a political liability.

In 1995 Obama penned his first of two books. Dreams of My Father. This book is steeped in socialism and is also loaded with heavy doses of Alinsky's teachings on the tenets of activism within the confinds of a socialist viewpoint.


I could go and on, and there is not one damned thing that is "secret" about who Obama really is. The media have done their best to keep these facts about Obama hidden, but they are readily available to anyone that takes 30 seconds of their time to do a google search. I did considerably more than that. I read. I read voraciously in fact. I read the man's own words, and the word's of his friends and associates.

You don't have to a genius on the level of Mark Levin, or even of Buffett or Powell to see the common thread in Obama's life. He's a socialist with heavy doses of Marxism thrown in for good measure.


I mean all you have to do is go back to his now infamous line to Joe the Plumber,"I want to spread the wealth around."


Not to mention his wife's own lunatic ravings!

What to make of Michelle Obama's use the terms, "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be?" From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals.
"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..."

And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do - that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."


Here's an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals:

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive -- but real -- allies of the Haves...The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."





Yeah, I know damned good and well what Barry is all about. Too bad so many have been duped. That, of course, is exactly what he has been hoping for all along. Anyone with even a hint of doubt about that hasn't been reading or listening to what he has said for years now.


Barry's bible--->...



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25 things you might not know about Barack Obama
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1. His high school basketball nickname at Punahou School in Hawaii was "O'Bomber" and he favored a left-hand, double-pump shot

2. He has two Grammy awards for recording his best-selling books, "Dreams from My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope."

3. His mother's name was Stanley Ann Dunham -- her father, Stanley, wanted a boy.

4. His mother and father, Barack Obama Sr., met in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii. She was 18. He was a scholarship student from Kenya.

5. His father, a goat herder as a child, was a member of the Luo tribe and came from a village in Kenya.

6. As a child in Indonesia he was introduced to snake meat and roasted grasshopper. His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, presented him with a pet monkey, "Tata."

7. While living in Indonesia, his mother would wake him at 4 a.m. for three hours of English lessons before he went to school.

8. His maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was a "Rosie the Riveter" at a Boeing Co. plant in Wichita, Kan., during World War II.

9. While a student at Harvard Law School, he applied to appear in a black pride pinup calendar. He was rejected by an all-female committee.

10. He met his wife, Michelle, while she was his adviser one summer when he worked at a corporate law firm in Chicago. She also is a Harvard Law School graduate.

11. On his first date with his wife, they had ice cream at a Baskin-Robbins in Chicago. (One of his jobs as a teen was scooping ice cream at a Baskin-Robbins.)

12. His favorite movies include "Casablanca," "The Godfather" films, "Lawrence of Arabia" and "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

13. During his community organizing days, some residents in Chicago dubbed him "baby face" because of his youthful looks.

14. He considers his worst habit to be checking his Blackberry.

15. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, but he got a D in eighth-grade French.

16. His prized possession is a photograph of the cliffs of Oahu's South Shore, where his mother's ashes are scattered.

17. He is a good -- but cautious -- poker player who joined other lawmakers in Springfield, Ill., for weekly games. They dubbed their group "The Committee."

18. His music favorites include Bob Dylan, Sheryl Crow, Yo-Yo Ma, Bruce Springsteen, Jay-Z and jazz legends Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Charlie Parker. One of his favorite songs during the political season is Dylan's "Maggie's Farm."

19. He carries good luck charms, including a gambler's lucky chip, a tiny Madonna and child, and a bracelet belonging to a soldier deployed in Iraq.

20. He announced his campaign for the presidency at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill., where Abraham Lincoln gave his famous "house divided" speech.

21. His office wall has a framed original program from the 1963 March on Washington where Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his "I have a dream" speech. Obama accepted the Democratic presidential nomination on the 45th anniversary of that address.

22. He owns a set of red boxing gloves autographed by Muhammad Ali.

23. He keeps on his desk a carving of a wooden hand holding an egg, a Kenyan symbol of the fragility of life.

24. He has promised his daughters, Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, a dog -- win or lose

25. He doesn't like to shop.

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Obama up by 8 with two weeks to go.Its over folks.The number will grow to close to 10 as the "herd" like to say they voted for the winner.Now having said that with such disgust for the current Congress where Dems hold the edge could there be a backlash against incumbents giving the GOP a rebound in the House and Senate? (or are they not enough Dems up for re-election?  that I dont know)
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gimmekeef wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 8:50am:
Dems hold the edge could there be a backlash against incumbents giving the GOP a rebound in the House and Senate? (or are they not enough Dems up for re-election?  that I dont know)


Nope. The staticians are projecting a 10 -20 seat gain for the dems in the house. And 2-3 gain in the Senate....maybe more. It's a "pocket book" issue election. 
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It's going to be a landslide, a toast slide, a slide of toast.
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Riff, seriously, all due respect and acknowledging your sincerity, but your narrative reads like a 9/11 conspiracy theory and your portrait of Alinsky as the boogieman operating from beyond the grave pulling the strings of Obama (and Hillary, too, oui?) is not, really, accurate.  You're gonna float STALINISM with regards to Alinsky and Obama?  STALINISM?  Talk about playing a card out of a loaded deck.

Here's an interesting quote from the man in question.

"Philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what judge Learned Hand described as "that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're right." If you don't have that, if you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated.

"The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide. The great atomic physicist Niels Bohr summed it up pretty well when he said, "Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question." Nobody owns the truth, and dogma, whatever form it takes, is the ultimate enemy of human freedom.

"Now, this doesn't mean that I'm rudderless; I think I have a much keener sense of direction and purpose than the true believer with his rigid ideology, because I'm free to be loose, resilient and independent, able to respond to any situation as it arises without getting trapped by articles of faith. My only fixed truth is a belief in people, a conviction that if people have the opportunity to act freely and the power to control their own destinies, they'll generally reach the right decisions. The only alternative to that belief is rule by an elite, whether it's a Communist bureaucracy or our own present-day corporate establishment. You should never have an ideology more specific than that of the founding fathers: "For the general welfare." That's where I parted company with the Communists in the Thirties, and that's where I stay parted from them today."

Saul Alinsky, 1972

You can disagree with that statement or you can buy it, your choice, but Alinsky was not the devil, nor was he, in the strict definition of the term (in your definitions of the term, yes) a Marxist, or a Stalinist.  You read that Playboy interview that's online?  That shit is fascinating.  Motherfucker is an interesting SOB.   SOB no doubt, but interesting for sure.  Spectre of ultimate destruction for America?  Nope.  I don't buy it.
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 10:18am:
Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 10:13am:
For some reason the republicans hate the working class. Whether or not Obama is a socialist I don't know, but when it come to choosing the lesser of two evils, which it always is in a "two party sytem", alot of people will vote for Obama because after eight years of scumbagism-republicanism  they need a break from crisis, lies and stupid wars.  


And what will they get?

crisis, lies and stupid wars.



Yes of course but for 6 months they'll like them......
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Obama is the most crafty of all terrorists ever. He has not only gotten to the verge of running this country, but he will, after he is sworn in, assasinate himself, in the first ever Sui-assination of an american President. He is a secret A.Q. agent, sent here to kill himself! And if you don't like the Muslim Terrorist theory, just substitute it for Commie.
I voted today, All done... Just to piss off the "smart" people, and show that I too can ifilitrate the system I voted straight Democrat for the first time ever. It was awesome. I'm joining a church, PTA (already did), The NRA, Pro-Life Groups and whatever radical right wing groups I can infilitrate. Thanks to the "smart" people for giving me this great idea, you are so smart, you work for those you despise by presenting information to the stupid people, they can use against you...
It iz grate bean stoopid!
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I swore I'd never post in here again but I'm curious. How does one vote early (see Meggy, Pdog)??

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Reply #470 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 11:21am
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Some of you guys are tilting at windmills here. I never once said that Barrack was a terrorist, a Stalinist (I said that his father had some Stalinist tendancies-that's true), I never said that Saul Alinsky was out to destroy the USA. Likewise I never said that Obama was out to destroy the country either.

I have made it abundantly clear over the course of this 19 page thread that Obama is a socialist. He is. He doesn't want to destroy America. He wants to totally change the class structure of the USA by implementing "spread the wealth around" socialist ideology. Saul Alinsky was not the devil, I never said he was. I said that the man was an avowed socialist with strong Marxist leanings (he was). I never called him a communist in the Soviet sense of the word. He hated free market capitalist economics. So too does Obama. That is the polar opposite of the ideas that this nation was founded on. Those facts can't be argued with. They are what they are. Facts.

If this election is all about the economy, and it certainly is, then the idea of handing the entire government over to the most spend happy Democrat run congress ever with a socialist at the helm is just too stupid to contemplate. Think the economy sucks now? Wait until Obama gets in office! The guy does not believe in drilling for oil, he doesn't believe in nuclear power, he has a very tough time with clean coal technology despite what he claims, and he wants to spread the wealth around. He also has zero foriegn policy experience, and has stated that he would sit down with the terrorists in Iran, North Korea, and the hard left Ameirca hating Hugo Chavez.

Quit trying to imply that I said the man child was a terrorist or a communist. I never said any such thing! Idiot? Yes. Absolutly.


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LadyJane wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 11:15am:
I swore I'd never post in here again but I'm curious. How does one vote early (see Meggy, Pdog)??

LJ.




alot of places do it, plus you can always sign up for absentee voting, so you don't get stuck in long lines. You would probably know about it, if Bufallo had it, I would check. SF it was at City Hall, here in Austin there's alot of loacations. They are prepared for massive turnout. Already on the first day, it was 7k more people voting eatly than in 2004. All democrats too, I bet in Austin. I read in ten years, maybe less, Texas might swing blue if the trend continues!
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"[I]f you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated."--Saul Alinsky

I thought that comment was worth repeating.

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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 12:25pm:
"[I]f you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated."--Saul Alinsky

I thought that comment was worth repeating.




Your implication with that quote is pretty obvious. I am certainly not trying to say that I have the absolute truth on anything. However, I do know alot more about what makes Barrack tick than many of his supporters do. That much I am absolutly sure of.


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Fake and Un-Patriotic America is voting... We have to do something to stop this!!!
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