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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #3400 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:48pm
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Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:15pm:
"Will Obama govern from the left? He doesn't have to. George W. Bush has done all the heavy lifting for him. It was under Bush that the government basically took over as the chief stockholder of our financial institutions and under Bush that we ceded our financial controls to the European Union." - Dick Morris



On this point I will concede, but only to a degree. However, what Obama has done in one short month and a half trumps every socialist move that Bush ever imposed on industry or dreamt of imposing. Just take a look at Citi Bank. And again, I stress, wait until national health care gets rolling.



Here's an example of what Saul Alinsky thought about capitalism and how to affect the desired change towards a complete socialist agenda. Bear in mind that Obama carried this book (Rules For Radicals) around like Mao carried his little red book!


These little tidbits of Socialist/Marxist horseshit are straight from Barry's favorite book that the media conveniently never told you about! Do yourselves a favor and read the damned book!

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Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. We are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people;


A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. It's time to start the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally
the political paradise of communism.


An organizer working in and for an open society
does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative
he is free from the shackles of dogma-(hello lying about anything needed to acheive the desired outcome. The ends always justifies the means!)


The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means.


The first step in community organization is community disorganization
An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.
your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.

Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.-(hello any critics of The One!)

The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.-(Hello scaring the living hell out of anyone that dares question all these made up crisis that Barry keeps putting forth!)

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.- (hello Rush Limbaugh and Obama's enemies list!)


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Hello drones! Are starting to see things the way they really are as opposed to the way that Barry and the media want you to see them?!



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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #3401 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:50pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 1:49pm:
monkey_man wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 1:26pm:
Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 1:14pm:
Gee, let's take a look at the current headlines on Yahoo News, shall we?


-Stocks Extend Slide on Lack of Positive News  

-Citigroup shares tumble below $1for the first time  

- Reuters GM auditors raise the specter of Chapter 11; shares slide below $2  

- Mortgage woes break records again in 4Q  

-Senators ask regulators about $180B AIG bailout  

- Oil prices fall with global energy demand sketchy  

And the last one?  

-Obama says US must solve HEALTH CARE crisis 'now'  



Brilliant! This one term chump is doing his level best to bring free market capitaism to it's knees!
Riffy


Free market capitalism is bringing itself to its knees. Greed and fraud on the part of financial institutions have caused the carnage we see today. AIG selling uncollateralized credit default swaps is unconscionable. . .their executives should be locked away for blatant fraud. It's like a bookie taking bets, without any money to back up his losses.



So you're saying that Obama is doing a good job then?


Riffy


I'm saying Obama just got to the beach to see a 20 foot wave that's been building out at sea about to hit him in the head. All the major industrial players in the world have been lowering interest rates and creating stimulus plans to counteract the financial crisis. What should Obama be doing differently?
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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #3402 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:51pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:48pm:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:15pm:
"Will Obama govern from the left? He doesn't have to. George W. Bush has done all the heavy lifting for him. It was under Bush that the government basically took over as the chief stockholder of our financial institutions and under Bush that we ceded our financial controls to the European Union." - Dick Morris



On this point I will concede, but only to a degree. However, what Obama has done in one short month and a half trumps every socialist move that Bush ever imposed on industry or dreamt of imposing. Just take a look at Citi Bank. And again, I stress, wait until national health care gets rolling.



Here's an example of what Saul Alinsky thought about capitalism and how to affect the desired change towards a complete socialist agenda. Bear in mind that Obama carried this book (Rules For Radicals) around like Mao carried his little red book!


These little tidbits of Socialist/Marxist horseshit are straight from Barry's favorite book that the media conveniently never told you about! Do yourselves a favor and read the damned book!

__________________________________________________________


Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. We are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people;


A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. It's time to start the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally
the political paradise of communism.


An organizer working in and for an open society
does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative
he is free from the shackles of dogma-(hello lying about anything needed to acheive the desired outcome. The ends always justifies the means!)


The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means.


The first step in community organization is community disorganization
An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.
your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.

Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.-(hello any critics of The One!)

The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.-(Hello scaring the living hell out of anyone that dares question all these made up crisis that Barry keeps putting forth!)

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.- (hello Rush Limbaugh and Obama's enemies list!)


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Hello drones! Are starting to see things the way they really are as opposed to the way that Barry and the media want you to see them?!



Riffy






What Cabinet position does Saul Alinsky currently hold?
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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #3403 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 3:36pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 1:49pm:
I'm of the camp that believes AIG should just be allowed to die. So too goes for GM, Chrysler, Citi Bank and the rest of the companies that have been bailed out. At this point a complete restructuring of these companies must happen. To continue to bail them out with the next generations money is insane.

Riffy


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AIG has its hands in so many banks around the world that if it collapses, it will cause a depression that would make the 30s look like playing with tinker toys.

MM was right....capitalism has done this to itself to a great degree.

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Reply #3404 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 3:52pm
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monkey_man wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:51pm:
Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:48pm:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:15pm:
"Will Obama govern from the left? He doesn't have to. George W. Bush has done all the heavy lifting for him. It was under Bush that the government basically took over as the chief stockholder of our financial institutions and under Bush that we ceded our financial controls to the European Union." - Dick Morris



On this point I will concede, but only to a degree. However, what Obama has done in one short month and a half trumps every socialist move that Bush ever imposed on industry or dreamt of imposing. Just take a look at Citi Bank. And again, I stress, wait until national health care gets rolling.



Here's an example of what Saul Alinsky thought about capitalism and how to affect the desired change towards a complete socialist agenda. Bear in mind that Obama carried this book (Rules For Radicals) around like Mao carried his little red book!


These little tidbits of Socialist/Marxist horseshit are straight from Barry's favorite book that the media conveniently never told you about! Do yourselves a favor and read the damned book!

__________________________________________________________


Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. We are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people;


A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. It's time to start the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally
the political paradise of communism.


An organizer working in and for an open society
does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative
he is free from the shackles of dogma-(hello lying about anything needed to acheive the desired outcome. The ends always justifies the means!)


The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means.


The first step in community organization is community disorganization
An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.
your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.

Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.-(hello any critics of The One!)

The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.-(Hello scaring the living hell out of anyone that dares question all these made up crisis that Barry keeps putting forth!)

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.- (hello Rush Limbaugh and Obama's enemies list!)


_________________________________________________


Hello drones! Are starting to see things the way they really are as opposed to the way that Barry and the media want you to see them?!



Riffy






What Cabinet position does Saul Alinsky currently hold?


For all intents and purposes he holds the office of President of the United States. Obama was, and is, a huge Alinsky acolyte and constantly used the book Rules For Radicals (from which the above quotes were lifted) to help pepper his speeches to fellow community organizers. He read it, soaked it up and carried it with him everywhere he went according to numerous sources.

Then there's his wife Michelle, also a huge fan of Alinsky's via her relationship with Barack. Consider the following taken from Gateway Pundit back in August of last year...

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Last night Michelle Obama used lines from Rules for Radicals, a radical Far Left book by Saul Alinsky ("father of community organizing" and a notorious far-left radical) in her DNC Convention speech.

Gateway Pundit nailed her:

What to make of Michelle Obama's use the terms, "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be?" From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals.
"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..."

And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do - that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."


Here's an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals:

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive -- but real -- allies of the Haves...The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."


Dan Reihl writes that although Gateway Pundit points out that Michelle Obama quoted concepts from Rules for Radicals in her speech last night and suggests she heard it in church, more likely, it was Barack Obama that came up with it due to the individual who started him off in his activist pursuits - Jerry Kellman, an organizer working on Chicago's far South Side.

Kellman was an Alinsky protege.

After college Obama moved to Chicago to be part of the Jerry Kellman organization as a community organizer. [Kellman was a Saul Alinsky protege.] Among the primary goals of Alinsky was radical socialism and redistribution of wealth. Alinsky taught his proteges to "HIDE" their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine. The objective of Alinsky and Kellman was to turn people against the white establishment.


Posted by Richard at August 26, 2008 2:43 PM

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So there you go. Now don't go accusing me of over reaching here. The fact is that the media hid any, and all, of Obama's radical associations or played them all off with the standard canard, "it's nothing more than guilt by association". The fact is that Barack Obama was steeped in the socialist/Marxist dogma and claptrap of Saul Alinsky from a young age, and his interest in all things socialist only increased when he went to Harvard. Those are the verifiable facts that the "in the tank" media decided weren't important enough to share with the average voter!



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Facts huh ? Those are facts?

What do you know about Preston Bush dude?
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Reply #3406 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 4:31pm
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fuman wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 4:18pm:
Facts huh ? Those are facts?

What do you know about Preston Bush dude?



Funman no offense but you're hopeless. You point to Preston Bush, a man two generations and sixty years removed from George W. Bush as proof of what exactly?

I can provide you with reams of evidence that Obama was, and still is, a devout follower of Saul Alinsky and you dismiss it out of hand because the facts of that association are too damning to Obama to be explained away. Face it my man Barack Obama is a socialist! Hell, I'd go so far as to call him a Marxist even. The funny thing is that back before he decided to run for public office he openly professed as much! Of course, as per the Alinsky MO, he has lied about it ever since. Only those too blind to the reality of what he's all about haven't noticed this.


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Reply #3407 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 4:48pm
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Well, if nothing else, I really appreciate this response.

Hopeless? I don't think I'm hopeless. I am absorbing many points of view on these matters.
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Reply #3408 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 5:36pm
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Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:48pm:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:15pm:
"Will Obama govern from the left? He doesn't have to. George W. Bush has done all the heavy lifting for him. It was under Bush that the government basically took over as the chief stockholder of our financial institutions and under Bush that we ceded our financial controls to the European Union." - Dick Morris



On this point I will concede, but only to a degree. However, what Obama has done in one short month and a half trumps every socialist move that Bush ever imposed on industry or dreamt of imposing. Just take a look at Citi Bank. And again, I stress, wait until national health care gets rolling.



Here's an example of what Saul Alinsky thought about capitalism and how to affect the desired change towards a complete socialist agenda. Bear in mind that Obama carried this book (Rules For Radicals) around like Mao carried his little red book!


These little tidbits of Socialist/Marxist horseshit are straight from Barry's favorite book that the media conveniently never told you about! Do yourselves a favor and read the damned book!

__________________________________________________________


Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. We are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people;


A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. It's time to start the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally
the political paradise of communism.


An organizer working in and for an open society
does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative
he is free from the shackles of dogma-(hello lying about anything needed to acheive the desired outcome. The ends always justifies the means!)


The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means.


The first step in community organization is community disorganization
An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.
your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.

Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.-(hello any critics of The One!)

The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.-(Hello scaring the living hell out of anyone that dares question all these made up crisis that Barry keeps putting forth!)

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.- (hello Rush Limbaugh and Obama's enemies list!)


_________________________________________________


Hello drones! Are starting to see things the way they really are as opposed to the way that Barry and the media want you to see them?!



Riffy



Perhaps if you spent more time learning how to make money shorting stocks and less time reading Saul Alinsky, your 401K might be in better shape. Just a thought. . . .
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Reply #3409 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 7:03pm
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Reply #3410 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 8:52pm
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If we go "socialist" does that mean I have to give up my gardener and pool boy Raul?
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Reply #3411 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 10:48pm
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fuman wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 4:18pm:
Facts huh ? Those are facts?

What do you know about Preston Bush dude?

All I knows 'bout him is that he's really known as "Prescott" Bush. LOL
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Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 7:27am:
glencars one liners are now tied for first.

c'mon g, we need more classic one liners!

See above, beeyatch!
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So socialism hadn't been invented yet so the Founding Fathers could never have really commented on it, huh? Is that your assertion BJ?

Well perhaps the word socialism was not yet in vogue, or that particular form of governance had not yet been put into practice. However, there can be no doubt that the Founders were well aware of the evils of this particular "progressive" form of government that had not yet been invented.


Here's what a few of them had to say about it.

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'"
-- Thomas Jefferson


“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson




"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787


“[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.” — James Madison



I personally always loved this one-

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin


Another great one from Ben-

“The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” — Benjamin Franklin


I could cite many more BJ, but you get the general idea here I think. The bottom line is the Founding Fathers feared the thought of wealth redistribution as means for providing for the populace. This is, of course, the very principle upon which socialism/Marxism/communism/collectivism are founded on. These are these ideas that, so called, progressives embrace openly. They could not be futher from the ideals upon which our nation was founded though, and I could care less if socialsim had been invented yet or not! The Founders were wise enough to know that it would spell the end of the republic should it ever be adopted. Obama ignores these warnings and so too do all of the drones that believe that he has any answers to ur economic downturn. He doesn't!

Oh, and here are a couple of brilliant quotes about socialism/communism from a couple of conservatives that liberals love to hate.

"Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good."
-- Ayn Rand



"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an Anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
-- Ronald Reagan


And one more from Moonie's favorite conservative!


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."
-- Winston Churchill



Riffy




Well done, Riffy.  Of course, the Founding Fathers also restricted voting rights to those who owned property, for the reason expressed by Ben Franklin.  Do you propose we return to that portion of the "original intent" of the Framers?
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This Obalama guy might be THE stupidest ever elected to any office anywhere.


It's the top story in our web-briefing but, if you haven't heard, the President gave U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown a gift of 25 DVDs of classic American films. Given enough exposure, no doubt Brown will soon develop a taste for the strange and provincial American cultural expression known as "cinema." I hear it's finally starting to catch on abroad. Now here are the gifts Brown gave Obama:

Mr Brown’s gifts included an ornamental desk pen holder made from the oak timbers of Victorian anti-slaver HMS Gannet, once named HMS President.

Mr Obama was so delighted he has already put it in pride of place in the Oval Office on the Resolute desk which was carved from timbers of Gannet’s sister ship, HMS Resolute.

Another treasure given to the U.S. President was the framed commission for HMS Resolute, a vessel that came to symbolise Anglo-US peace when it was saved from ice packs by Americans and given to Queen Victoria.

Finally, Mr Brown gave a first edition set of the seven-volume classic biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert.

These gifts are even more impressive and thoughtful than these few paragraphs suggest, given the amazing story behind the Resolute and how it is a potent symbol of U.S.-U.K. goodwill. So Brown clearly outclassed Obama in that regard.

But I also love the symbolism of that final gift — Martin Gilbert's classic Churchill biography. If it seemed a bit tone deaf when Obama returned the Churchill bust that had been in the White House, well it now appears that no less a figure than the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is subtly sending a message that Obama should better understand the historical importance of one of his country's greatest leaders. Well played.
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The MSM is starting to question this idiot's honesty. Bout effing time!


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Reply #3416 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 7:00am
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The MSM is starting to question this idiot's honesty. Bout effing time!


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2009/03/medical-bankrup.html


The beauty of that story are the comments that follow it. I'd say there are at least ten to one against The Socialist One. The bloom is coming off the rose in record time with this guy. I know of several former Obama supporters who will now only grudgingly admit that they ever supported him. It's only gonna get worse, for him, and our country I fear. The one silver lining is that the Democrat party will be in utter shambles after four years of Barry, and two years with Nancy and Harry at the helm in congress. We need a true conservative in the White House. One that will give people a chance at actually living the American Dream. That dream can't be handed down from on high. It must be pursued and earned by one's own self determination and work ethic, as in the right to "pursue happiness".


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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #3417 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 7:18am
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monkey_man wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 5:36pm:
Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:48pm:
Some Guy wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 2:15pm:
"Will Obama govern from the left? He doesn't have to. George W. Bush has done all the heavy lifting for him. It was under Bush that the government basically took over as the chief stockholder of our financial institutions and under Bush that we ceded our financial controls to the European Union." - Dick Morris



On this point I will concede, but only to a degree. However, what Obama has done in one short month and a half trumps every socialist move that Bush ever imposed on industry or dreamt of imposing. Just take a look at Citi Bank. And again, I stress, wait until national health care gets rolling.



Here's an example of what Saul Alinsky thought about capitalism and how to affect the desired change towards a complete socialist agenda. Bear in mind that Obama carried this book (Rules For Radicals) around like Mao carried his little red book!


These little tidbits of Socialist/Marxist horseshit are straight from Barry's favorite book that the media conveniently never told you about! Do yourselves a favor and read the damned book!

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Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. We are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people;


A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. It's time to start the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally
the political paradise of communism.


An organizer working in and for an open society
does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative
he is free from the shackles of dogma-(hello lying about anything needed to acheive the desired outcome. The ends always justifies the means!)


The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means.


The first step in community organization is community disorganization
An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.
your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.

Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.-(hello any critics of The One!)

The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.-(Hello scaring the living hell out of anyone that dares question all these made up crisis that Barry keeps putting forth!)

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.- (hello Rush Limbaugh and Obama's enemies list!)


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Hello drones! Are starting to see things the way they really are as opposed to the way that Barry and the media want you to see them?!



Riffy



Perhaps if you spent more time learning how to make money shorting stocks and less time reading Saul Alinsky, your 401K might be in better shape. Just a thought. . . .
MM



Well perhaps you're right. But I would counter that perhaps you should have spent more time reading Saul Alinsky, you may not have voted for Obama and all of our 401Ks would be in better shape! Presuming you did vote for him. Wink



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Reply #3418 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 8:55am
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 11:18pm:
Riffhard wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 6:57am:
So socialism hadn't been invented yet so the Founding Fathers could never have really commented on it, huh? Is that your assertion BJ?

Well perhaps the word socialism was not yet in vogue, or that particular form of governance had not yet been put into practice. However, there can be no doubt that the Founders were well aware of the evils of this particular "progressive" form of government that had not yet been invented.


Here's what a few of them had to say about it.

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'"
-- Thomas Jefferson


“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson




"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787


“[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.” — James Madison



I personally always loved this one-

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin


Another great one from Ben-

“The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” — Benjamin Franklin


I could cite many more BJ, but you get the general idea here I think. The bottom line is the Founding Fathers feared the thought of wealth redistribution as means for providing for the populace. This is, of course, the very principle upon which socialism/Marxism/communism/collectivism are founded on. These are these ideas that, so called, progressives embrace openly. They could not be futher from the ideals upon which our nation was founded though, and I could care less if socialsim had been invented yet or not! The Founders were wise enough to know that it would spell the end of the republic should it ever be adopted. Obama ignores these warnings and so too do all of the drones that believe that he has any answers to ur economic downturn. He doesn't!

Oh, and here are a couple of brilliant quotes about socialism/communism from a couple of conservatives that liberals love to hate.

"Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good."
-- Ayn Rand



"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an Anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
-- Ronald Reagan


And one more from Moonie's favorite conservative!


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."
-- Winston Churchill



Riffy




Well done, Riffy.  Of course, the Founding Fathers also restricted voting rights to those who owned property, for the reason expressed by Ben Franklin.  Do you propose we return to that portion of the "original intent" of the Framers?



Thank you BJ. See the thing is that the Founders were also wise enough to build the amendment process into the constitution. So these oversites, or mistakes (if you will) could be amended at a later date, and in most cases they were.

Which brings me to point that needs to be addressed. MM had earlier in this thread made the comment about the two thirds of a man vote for the Southern states. The implication being that the Founders only considered slaves, or negros, to be 2/3rds of a man. MM, and others have argued that this proves that the Founders were a bunch of racists and shortsighted with regards to racial questions. That ignores the truth of the 2/3rds rule though. The fact is that the 2/3rds rule was only adopted to thawrt the Southern states from gaining a more powerful voice in the Continental Congress. Back in the day the Southern states were the financial giants of the country, due in large part to slavery. To keep them from gaining a larger vote in congressional matters the idea was put forth to only allow the Southern states 2/3rds of a vote for each slave. Not that the slaves could vote mind you, but the population of the states determined the vote count for each representative. This idea was adopted by none other than John Adams, a stauch beleiver in abolition. So the whole 2/3rds rule was adopted as a means to prevent the Southern states from overriding the Northern states, and thus making the true population of slave states a moot point. It was actually a brilliant move on the part of the Founders, and eventually helped lead the way to the abolition movement years later. With that rule in place Southern states could not get a majority of votes on the slavery issue which, of course, eventually led to the civil war years later. Slavery was a moral problem for many of the Founders, but they were well aware of the fact that the issue would have to be resolved at a later time in order to keep the fledgling nation in tact.

There you go. The racist Founding Fathers myth debunked with a few facts that many that have seemingly been forgotten or never known about to begin with. Wink



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Reply #3419 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 9:04am
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Facts huh ? Those are facts?

What do you know about Preston Bush dude?

All I knows 'bout him is that he's really known as "Prescott" Bush. LOL



Oops. I am so embarrassed. Thanks for pointing that misspelling out.
Good point you make there.

Now I'm wondering if you were ROTFLMAO.

Serves me right.


All I knows? Dude. Didn't I see you in one of those videos of the McCain supporters in line at a campaign stop?
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Reply #3420 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 10:49am
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Hah! I show that yer stoopit & then you accuse me of being a yahoo? LOL BTW Those campaign supporters at most Obalama events had that glazed look in their eyes, a la Jonestown massacre types.

PS You didn't misspell "Prescott." You had the wrong name. Learn the difference.
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Reply #3421 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 10:53am
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ooooooh you's misspells on the internets!

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The only time I point out misspellings is when someone's talking about how dumb someone else is OR when someone has this big conspiracy & they don't even get the guy's name right. The problem with the internet is that anyone can post & seem like a swami.
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Reply #3424 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 11:21am
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Hah! I show that yer stoopit & then you accuse me of being a yahoo? LOL BTW Those campaign supporters at most Obalama events had that glazed look in their eyes, a la Jonestown massacre types.

PS You didn't misspell "Prescott." You had the wrong name. Learn the difference.



You showed that I got the first name wrong.
That is all you showed. And I admit, you were right. Do you really think I need to learn the difference?
Or, are you upset and venting. I know that I do that myself.

We obviously have a different view of what's going on. To presume you're right is absurd.

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