Riffhard wrote on Feb 26^th, 2009 at 10:26pm:


oh yeah    I forgot Bushy had such great knowledge of our history and respect for our Constitution 

Saint Sway wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 12:53pm:



I didn't understand his statement that I "don't know anything about history". It was just thrown out there, with no specific argument.

Just another flare up.

fuman wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 1:27pm:



You didn't get that reference funman? Then please allow me to explain. The Founding Fathers did not believe in socialism! They abhorred the very thought of it. So if you had any knowledge of history then you would understand that what Dear Leader is doing is in complete contradiction to the belief system upon which this great nation was founded! The USA has been the most successful, and benevolent representative republic in history. Dear Leader does not respect that history, and he wants to change the entire way of life for Americans in general. Anyone that agrees with these sweeping country altering changes has zero knowledge, or zero respect for our history!


Don't believe me though. Here's what George Washington had to say about the issue. Please note how Washington was so cognizant of the class warfare card that Dear Leader plays time and time again!


In his Farewell Address, President George Washington warned: “Towards the preservation of your Government and the permanency of your present happy state, it is requisite … that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles however specious the pretexts. Those who would overthrow the Constitution may form a party, announcing their good intentions. But beware party spirit", continued Washington: “It serves always to distract the public councils, and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and will of one country, are subjected to the policy and will of another.”


I'd say that rather sums it up nicely. Of course, I know the history of the founding of this nation. Some don't know it, and some, like Dear Leader can't stand it!



Riffy

fuman wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 2:00pm:



What I am saying is that in the very near future every drone that voted for Dear Leader is gonna get in the neck with his insane spending programs! Programs, I might add, that are specifically designed and targeted, to do one thing and one thing only. Namely to destroy capitalism! He wants to destroy our way of life funman! Don't you get it?! It advances his far left ideology to do so! He has zero interest in saving Wall Street or the banks! Why do you think he constantly portrays them as the guilty parties in this economic downturn! He wants to eliminate entrepreneurship as well! He wants everyone on the government tit! He's a power hungry ideologue! Are you really that blind to the record amount of debt that he is racking up? To what end? He makes Bush look like a piker for fuck's sake, and Bush spent like an idiot!


I'm saying that the morons that drive around in their Volvo's with the Obama stickers who wanted to be a part of an historical moment are going to be fucked hard! I would vote for Bush for ten more terms over this clown! Bush may well have been foolhardy on some issues, but he did not want to impose a radical remaking of the American way of life! Some people are starting to figure this out rather quickly, you will too one day believe me. I don't think that I'm right about Dear Leader. I know damned good and well that I'm right, because I knew, and still do know, more about him than does 95% of all the drones that voted for him!



Riffy

Wild Bill wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 11:30am:



so good to see you...have you knocked off any more alt country masterpieces yet?

What I am saying is that in the very near future every drone

- Why am I a drone, but you are an informed voter? It's hard for me to give any credibility to your views when you repeatedly say this.

that voted for Dear Leader is gonna get in the neck with his insane spending programs! Programs, I might add, that are specifically designed and targeted, to do one thing and one thing only. Namely to destroy capitalism!

- He is trying to prevent a complete shut-down of our economy. Look at all of the support he has, not the average voter but major economists. Look at the opposition, people that believe "I got mine, you get yours".

He wants to destroy our way of life funman! Don't you get it?! It advances his far left ideology to do so! He has zero interest in saving Wall Street or the banks!

- He has stated that he doesn't want to bail them out, but the American economy depends on them.

Why do you think he constantly portrays them as the guilty parties in this economic downturn!

-The MAJOR players ARE GUILTY. That's why. Americans aren't used to hearing straight forward truth from our leaders, so skepticism from you is not hard to fathom.

He wants to eliminate entrepreneurship as well! He wants everyone on the government tit! He's a power hungry ideologue! Are you really that blind to the record amount of debt that he is racking up? To what end? He makes Bush look like a piker for fuck's sake, and Bush spent like an idiot!


-This is completely wrong. I really can't believe that this is what you think.
I am beginning to think you're not being completely honest with what really bothers you about President Obama.


I'm saying that the morons that drive around in their Volvo's with the Obama stickers who wanted to be a part of an historical moment are going to be fucked hard!

- Morons in Volvos? You think that is a precondition for purchasing one of the safest vehicles ever built?
It never was an issue of the "historical moment" for dems. We had Hillary. Out and out, the most qualified candidate in the race.
Obama spoke truth to power. Where were you? Do you live in "the real America". Is that what this is about?

I would vote for Bush for ten more terms over this clown!

- A quick review of the Amendments to the Constitution will tell you that Bush can't run anymore, but you knew that.


Bush may well have been foolhardy on some issues, but he did not want to impose a radical remaking of the American way of life!

- Bush transfer more wealth than any previous American leader. Fact. Not my opinion, it's a "real American" fact.

Some people are starting to figure this out rather quickly, you will too one day believe me. I don't think that I'm right about Dear Leader. I know damned good and well that I'm right, because I knew, and still do know, more about him than does 95% of all the drones that voted for him!

- Really, tell me something then. Surely you're not just going to repeat one of your opinions. I will be back later to see what you come up with. Who knows, maybe you can.


One thing that I have noticed, Republican leaders don't seem to realize that their statements can be looked up (factually verified or disproved) by our zealous press,  and they usually end up looking like fools (to everyone except their most avid supporters). Look at Bobby Jindal, he completely made shit up in his response to the Presidents address to a joint session of Congress last week.
Looks like he's out. Too bad, he seems like an intelligent man.

-Sarah Palin kept telling us that she was against the bridge to nowhere. Guess what. She didn't make that claim while she was campaigning in Alaska. She couldn't say that because they heard a different story from her. She bragged about it to Alaskans. We know this thanks to the press corp that traveled with her. She is a frequent liar, but Jesus will forgive her. Right?
Speaking of Palin, she would tell you to not fret your losses, you'll get your just rewards in heaven. I have heard her use this line repeatedly to the disaffected. Some comfort, huh.

I know you REALLY distrust President Obama, but I find it hard to believe you responded favorably to McCain/Palin.

Riffhard wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 1:38pm:

Riffy,

You are correct; the Founders did not believe in socialism, but for the same reason they did not believe in nuclear (that's nucular for the Bush geeks) power:  because it had not been invented yet.  The quotation from George Washington is not a rebuke of socialism, but of party politics generally.  Washington abhorred the idea of political parties.  As an expert in American history, you no doubt recall that under the Constitution as first written, two (or more) candidates of different parties did not compete for the presidency.  Rather, the winner in the Electoral College (or the House of Representatives if no majority in the E.C.) became President and the runner-up became Vice-President.  And it is ridiculous to claim that the Framers had a single vision of American government.  Again, as an expert in American history, you must know the difference between the Jeffersonian and Hamiltonian visions of American government (please discuss), not to mention the changes wrought by Jackson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive Movement and FDR.  Surely you do not wish to return to the Lochner era, when laws limiting the work week to five days were held unconstitutional because they supposedly restricted a worker's (hah!) right to form a contract to work six ten-hour days a week?

Speaking of FDR, I was surprised that you, as an expert in American history, cited FDR's Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, for the proposition that the New Deal and its spending programs were not successful.  Surely you, as an expert in American history, know that Morgenthau represented the conservative wing of the Roosevelt Administration and that true New Dealers, such as Harold Ickes Sr. (father of the Clinton supporter) argued that Morgenthau's insistence on lowering federal spending and deficits in 1937 was responsible for the upswing in unemployment in 1937 and 1938.

I was particularly puzzled by your earlier post attacking President Obama's proposal of universal college education as socialistic.  Howe is it any different than universal high school education?  I understand that some wingnuts like A. Hole Coulter dismiss public education as a failure, but that is a problem of funding and is not inherent in the idea of providing education to all.  Public education, properly performed and properly funded, is the strongest force for democratization and against the institution of a social class system.  I am a product of both the working class and public education, yet I attended the finest (private) law school in the world. My children also attend public schools.  They are getting a fine education.  Please do not throw the canard about Barack's kids attending private school at me.  No one would want to send their children to D.C.'s public schools (which could be fixed if their funding was controlled locally and not by a Congress which until recently had been controlled for years by reactionaries).  

I know you think I'm a socialist.  I'm not.  I know this for a fact because, 35-40 years ago, I was a socialist, so I know the difference.  I do not believe, nor does Barack, that the major means of production should be owned in common by the community.  It is no longer 1850; the world is no longer divided between laissez faire capitalists and socialists.  There is a lot of room between those two extremes, and most sensible economists and public servants reside in that middle ground.  I would describe myself as a nep-Keynesian.

As for the quack psychoanalysis of Barack and the comparisons to Hitler and Stalin, the best English word for that (which does not involve bodily functions) is PREPOSTEROUS!

Brainy

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:23pm:


brainbell

had you put "preposterous" in bigger font, that would have made it truer.

try to keep up with changes in postal etiquette. underlining is so last year.

Starbuck wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:30pm:

glencars one liners is tied for first.

Some Guy wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:35pm:

LOL You voted for that, dincha?

Quote:

first!

Nice rant Brainbell Jangler, a lot of facts in there. Nice read.

I will admit that I'm more than a little concerned about the disarray in the Republican party right now. They are needed for checks and balances against a Democratic majority. But their BS is just free flowing these days. They haven't expressed any ideas, and I know for a fact the Obama was counting on them to be rational and bring ideas to the table. But alas, it was more than they could muster.

They (Repubs) are now attacking one of their own for speaking his mind. Can't have free thinkers. So he (Bunning?) is threatening to resign, thus leaving the Democratic governor to appoint a replacement, which would give the Dems 60 seats in the Senate (filibuster proof).