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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
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Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2775 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 8:38pm
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I just had the misfortune to listen to Ann Coulter on the radio. What a complete twat she is. The funniest thing though,was at the end of the interview,they started playing Bitch. Too bad their wasn't a song called cunt.

Of course, you didn't actually listen to the "cunt" did you? Instead, you played the radio & let a bunch of prejudged ideas about her run through youre (!) little head & then you came running here like little Nelly Kelly to tell us all about it. GROOVY BABY!

As long as "she" insists on calling the President "B. Hussein Obama," I guess we call "her" "A. Hole Coulter."

I'm pretty sure her middle name isn't "Hole" & say what you will, she at least knows how to stay on topic & answer questions which is more than your lot can do.
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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2776 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 10:20pm
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I just had the misfortune to listen to Ann Coulter on the radio. What a complete twat she is. The funniest thing though,was at the end of the interview,they started playing Bitch. Too bad their wasn't a song called cunt.

Of course, you didn't actually listen to the "cunt" did you? Instead, you played the radio & let a bunch of prejudged ideas about her run through youre (!) little head & then you came running here like little Nelly Kelly to tell us all about it. GROOVY BABY!

As long as "she" insists on calling the President "B. Hussein Obama," I guess we call "her" "A. Hole Coulter."

I'm pretty sure her middle name isn't "Hole" & say what you will, she at least knows how to stay on topic & answer questions which is more than your lot can do.


And of course promote whatever she is selling....Which in a couple of years will probably be her skanky ass on a street corner somewhere.
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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2777 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 10:24pm
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LOL She's had 6 #1 bestsellers, a successful column & is a frequent on-air commentator. You, on the other hand? So long suckerr
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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2778 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 11:38pm
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Feb 5th, 2009 at 6:40pm:
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Feb 4th, 2009 at 2:47pm:
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This gang can't shoot straight. Would W have backed down?


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5655115.ece

No, Dubya would have driven us headlong into a trade war with Europe.

And they would have backed down. This pussy rolls over. We're fucked.

Oh BTW "Dubya" isn't in office any more. Let's stick to apt critiques of the current idiot. And he is at elast as dumb as er ah er ah "Dubya."

It goes like this.  Glencar asks a question about Dubya:  "Would W have backed down?"  I answer the question.  Glencar complains that Dubya isn't in office anymore, implying that I shouldn't have answered his question, raising the question why he asked it in the first place.  This is the "bitchy lil stuff about Dubya" about which glencar bitches.  Is it any wonder we get tired of trying to communicate with these idiots?


Oh Woe is me!!
How I do agree
mm and BJ
what can I say
I am so bored
Listenin to this broken record...

What can you say? How 'bout you answer questions once in a while? You NEVER did answer my question about redistribution of income. Your Gidget game is getting real old real fast. All I ever see you do these days is raise the pom poms when someone on your side "scores." It's especially frustrating getting an honest answer out of you. Even drunken idiots seem to do better.

No sensible person will answer glencar's so-called "questions" now that I have exposed his little game.
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Reply #2779 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:02am
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Ok, ok, I'll try this another way. No snarky Barry bashing. No witty conservative repartay. Just the pork and nothing but the pork. Please explain to the masses gathered in this thread how a bill that was handed directly to Pelosi in the form of a blank slate and then promptly porked up with constituency pay outs and rediculously exspensive social engineering programs helps to stimulate the economy? Please try and avoid the old fall back, "Bush did it too"  crap. This dosen't have a damned thing to do with Bush, and anyone that is intellectually honest about it knows it!


Please tell us how stealing from future generations with this crap bill will help the economy. The Democrats want this thing rushed through the House and Senate for one reason, and one reason alone. It stinks to high heaven, and they don't want the American people to wake up in time to stop it!

Let's just take a look at few of the stimulating proposals that this Spending Package really stimulates. Then perhaps you can enlighten us again as to how Obama has shown such great leadership.


VARIOUS LEFT-WINGERY:

1. $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

2. $380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program

3. $300 million for grants to combat violence against women

4. $2 billion for federal child care block grants

5. $6 billion for university building projects

6. $15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships

7. $4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion to provide “youth” summer jobs for people up to the age of 24

8. $1 billion for community development block grants

9. $4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”

10. $650 million for digital TV coupons, including $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations”

POORLY DESIGNED TAX RELIEF:

11. $15 billion for business-loss carry-backs

12. $145 billion for “Making Work Pay” tax credits

13. $83 billion for the earned income credit

STIMULUS FOR THE GOVERNMENT:

14. $150 million for the Smithsonian

15. $34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters

16. $500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities

17. $44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters

18. $350 million for Agriculture Department computers

19. $88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building next year

20. $448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters

21. $600 million to convert federal auto fleet to hybrids

22. $450 million for National Aeronautics and Space Administration

23. $600 million for National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

24. $1 billion for the Census Bureau

INCOME TRANSFERS:

25. $89 billion for Medicaid

26. $30 billion for COBRA insurance extension

27. $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits

28. $20 billion for food stamps

PURE PORK:

29. $4.5 billion for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

30. $850 million for Amtrak

31. $87 million for a polar icebreaking ship

32. $1.7 billion for the National Park System

33. $55 million for Historic Preservation Fund

34. $7.6 billion for “rural community advancement programs”

35. $150 million for agricultural commodity purchases

36. $150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish”

RENEWABLE WASTE:

37. $2 billion for renewable energy research

38. $2 billion for a “clean-coal” power plant in Illinois

39. $6.2 billion shall be for the Weatherization Assistance Program

40. $3.5 billion shall be for energy efficiency and conservation block grants

41. $3.4 billion shall be for the State Energy Program

42. $200 million shall be for state and local electric-transport projects

43. $300 million shall be for energy-efficient appliance rebate programs

44. $400 million for hybrid cars for state and local governments

45. $1 billion for the manufacturing of advanced batteries

46. $1.5 billion for green technology loan guarantees

47. $8 billion for innovative technology loan guarantee program

48. $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects

49. $4.5 billion for electricity grid

REWARDING STATE IRRESPONSIBILITY:

50. $79 billion for State Fiscal Stabilization Fund



This bill sucks hard and you guys know it! While some of these proposals may well be good intentioned (aren't all Democrat ideas?!), they can hardly be described as a Stimulus Package!


BJ as a father of young girls I would have expected you to rally to their defense here. This is their money that Pelosi is demanding! This is their future children's money as well. It's also my damned money and I say hands off! This is the largest ever transfer of taxpayer cash directly to the federal beauracy in Washington DC. It is a massive expansion of power for the federal government and I am stunned that anyone would just blindly trust the government to what's right with it! Especially given their history with Medicare, Medicaid, puplic schools, Social Security, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac,....need I go on?


This is a disaster! Though I'd love to hear you guys try and defend it.



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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2780 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:20am
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Feb 5th, 2009 at 11:38pm:
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PartyDoll MEG wrote on Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:38pm:
Brainbell Jangler wrote on Feb 5th, 2009 at 6:40pm:
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Feb 4th, 2009 at 2:47pm:
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This gang can't shoot straight. Would W have backed down?


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5655115.ece

No, Dubya would have driven us headlong into a trade war with Europe.

And they would have backed down. This pussy rolls over. We're fucked.

Oh BTW "Dubya" isn't in office any more. Let's stick to apt critiques of the current idiot. And he is at elast as dumb as er ah er ah "Dubya."

It goes like this.  Glencar asks a question about Dubya:  "Would W have backed down?"  I answer the question.  Glencar complains that Dubya isn't in office anymore, implying that I shouldn't have answered his question, raising the question why he asked it in the first place.  This is the "bitchy lil stuff about Dubya" about which glencar bitches.  Is it any wonder we get tired of trying to communicate with these idiots?


Oh Woe is me!!
How I do agree
mm and BJ
what can I say
I am so bored
Listenin to this broken record...

What can you say? How 'bout you answer questions once in a while? You NEVER did answer my question about redistribution of income. Your Gidget game is getting real old real fast. All I ever see you do these days is raise the pom poms when someone on your side "scores." It's especially frustrating getting an honest answer out of you. Even drunken idiots seem to do better.

No sensible person will answer glencar's so-called "questions" now that I have exposed his little game.

How about instead of attacking me you answer/defend your Prez. This guy's a loser & you might as well start calling him Carter 2.0. He sucks & WE TOLD YOU SO.
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Reply #2781 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:22am
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Riffhard wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:02am:
Ok, ok, I'll try this another way. No snarky Barry bashing. No witty conservative repartay. Just the pork and nothing but the pork. Please explain to the masses gathered in this thread how a bill that was handed directly to Pelosi in the form of a blank slate and then promptly porked up with constituency pay outs and rediculously exspensive social engineering programs helps to stimulate the economy? Please try and avoid the old fall back, "Bush did it too"  crap. This dosen't have a damned thing to do with Bush, and anyone that is intellectually honest about it knows it!


Please tell us how stealing from future generations with this crap bill will help the economy. The Democrats want this thing rushed through the House and Senate for one reason, and one reason alone. It stinks to high heaven, and they don't want the American people to wake up in time to stop it!

Let's just take a look at few of the stimulating proposals that this Spending Package really stimulates. Then perhaps you can enlighten us again as to how Obama has shown such great leadership.


VARIOUS LEFT-WINGERY:

1. $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

2. $380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program

3. $300 million for grants to combat violence against women

4. $2 billion for federal child care block grants

5. $6 billion for university building projects

6. $15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships

7. $4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion to provide “youth” summer jobs for people up to the age of 24

8. $1 billion for community development block grants

9. $4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”

10. $650 million for digital TV coupons, including $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations”

POORLY DESIGNED TAX RELIEF:

11. $15 billion for business-loss carry-backs

12. $145 billion for “Making Work Pay” tax credits

13. $83 billion for the earned income credit

STIMULUS FOR THE GOVERNMENT:

14. $150 million for the Smithsonian

15. $34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters

16. $500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities

17. $44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters

18. $350 million for Agriculture Department computers

19. $88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building next year

20. $448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters

21. $600 million to convert federal auto fleet to hybrids

22. $450 million for National Aeronautics and Space Administration

23. $600 million for National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

24. $1 billion for the Census Bureau

INCOME TRANSFERS:

25. $89 billion for Medicaid

26. $30 billion for COBRA insurance extension

27. $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits

28. $20 billion for food stamps

PURE PORK:

29. $4.5 billion for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

30. $850 million for Amtrak

31. $87 million for a polar icebreaking ship

32. $1.7 billion for the National Park System

33. $55 million for Historic Preservation Fund

34. $7.6 billion for “rural community advancement programs”

35. $150 million for agricultural commodity purchases

36. $150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish”

RENEWABLE WASTE:

37. $2 billion for renewable energy research

38. $2 billion for a “clean-coal” power plant in Illinois

39. $6.2 billion shall be for the Weatherization Assistance Program

40. $3.5 billion shall be for energy efficiency and conservation block grants

41. $3.4 billion shall be for the State Energy Program

42. $200 million shall be for state and local electric-transport projects

43. $300 million shall be for energy-efficient appliance rebate programs

44. $400 million for hybrid cars for state and local governments

45. $1 billion for the manufacturing of advanced batteries

46. $1.5 billion for green technology loan guarantees

47. $8 billion for innovative technology loan guarantee program

48. $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects

49. $4.5 billion for electricity grid

REWARDING STATE IRRESPONSIBILITY:

50. $79 billion for State Fiscal Stabilization Fund



This bill sucks hard and you guys know it! While some of these proposals may well be good intentioned (aren't all Democrat ideas?!), they can hardly be described as a Stimulus Package!


BJ as a father of young girls I would have expected you to rally to their defense here. This is their money that Pelosi is demanding! This is their future children's money as well. It's also my damned money and I say hands off! This is the largest ever transfer of taxpayer cash directly to the federal beauracy in Washington DC. It is a massive expansion of power for the federal government and I am stunned that anyone would just blindly trust the government to what's right with it! Especially given their history with Medicare, Medicaid, puplic schools, Social Security, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac,....need I go on?


This is a disaster! Though I'd love to hear you guys try and defend it.



Riffy

Why bother? They'll just attack you or me instead of talking about the issues & the people pushing for this nonsense. I have yet to see that wanker talk about Daschle. Has he forgotten him after 30 hours?
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Reply #2782 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 1:29am
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Seriously people, this guy sucks. From The Weekly Standard:

The White House has its signals crossed. President Obama flew to Williamsburg, Va., tonight to address the House Democrats. Originally the speech was supposed to be off the record. But the White House decided to let the cameras in so that the president's appeal for the economic stimulus bill could be heard around the world.

And what an appeal. Obama lambasted Republican critics of the stimulus and heaped scorn on the Bush administration for piling up the national debt. He said the stimulus bill could end the "tyranny of oil," whatever that means, and made fun of Republicans for questioning whether some of the spending in the bill is actually stimulative. "What do you think 'stimulus' is?" Obama said. "It's spending -- that's the whole point! Seriously." (Just an aside: Obama is wrong. Stimulus is short-term spending to increase aggregate demand during an economic downturn. When the economy recovers, the stimulus spending is supposed to stop. The spending in Obama's plan doesn't stop after the economy recovers. Quite the contrary. Most of the spending is long-term.)

Obama's performance was fiery. He went way off script. He seemed genuinely angry. He's already blaming Republicans for holding up the stimulus -- even though the GOP leader in the Senate says he has no intention of filibustering the bill. No bill, however important, ought to be passed without scrutiny. Certainly Democrats, who have spent the last eight years criticizing Republicans for rushing into things, should realize that.

The speech to the House Democrats is just part of Obama's stimulus counteroffensive. He published an op-ed in today's Washington Post and delivered equally strong remarks this afternoon at the Department of Energy (you can read them here.) The White House has recognized that the debate over the stimulus is spinning out of control and that the bill is in serious danger. So they've retooled their message to make it more aggressive.

One problem. Logically, that message makes no sense. At the Energy Department, Obama said the "time for action is now," but then said that "I would love to see additional improvements" to the stimulus. He says he welcomes new ideas, then goes to Williamsburg, blames the economic crisis on the GOP alone, and says conservative economic policies have been discredited. He says he's not trying to ram this legislation through Congress, then warns of looming economic catastrophe if the package isn't signed into law quickly.

As Obama delivered his call to arms, the Senate debated its version of the stimulus. Earlier this evening, word was that Harry Reid was going to force the Senate to debate all night in order to bring the legislation to a vote. Then, hours later, Reid sent the Senate home and asked them to try again tomorrow. The bipartisan group of senators who want to pare the stimulus back by $100 billion will be given another chance to rein in some of the spending.

So who told Reid to get some rest? To let the folks with the discredited ideas shape the bill? The White House!

Confusion reigns. The stimulus has hit rocky shoals. There's now a chance that the legislation may have to be seriously revised. A tell-tale sign in politics is when people get angry. It means they are losing the argument. Obama is angry. And he has only himself to blame.
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Reply #2783 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 3:04am
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LOL LOL at glencar playing the victim! Listen pal, if anyone is guilty of attacking others on this board, it's you glencar. Your bigoted, misogynistic posts have been a huge downer for a while now. Perhaps you should get a hobby.  really?
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Reply #2784 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 8:31am
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Playing victim?  Kiss my undercover ass LOL
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Reply #2785 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 8:44am
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bigoted and mysoginistic are frankly too kind a description for that poster


gives Archie Bunker a bad name...
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Reply #2786 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 8:53am
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Anyways, back on topic, this thread started with an apparently praiseful column by one Charles Krauthammer about one B. Hussein Obalama. Looks like the 1st guy has had a change of heart!

From his column today:

Not just to abolish but to create something new -- a new politics where the moneyed pork-barreling and corrupt logrolling of the past would give way to a bottom-up, grass-roots participatory democracy. That is what made Obama so dazzling and new. Turns out the "fierce urgency of now" includes $150 million for livestock (and honeybee and farm-raised fish) insurance.


The Age of Obama begins with perhaps the greatest frenzy of old-politics influence peddling ever seen in Washington. By the time the stimulus bill reached the Senate, reports the Wall Street Journal, pharmaceutical and high-tech companies were lobbying furiously for a new plan to repatriate overseas profits that would yield major tax savings. California wine growers and Florida citrus producers were fighting to change a single phrase in one provision. Substituting "planted" for "ready to market" would mean a windfall garnered from a new "bonus depreciation" incentive.

After Obama's miraculous 2008 presidential campaign, it was clear that at some point the magical mystery tour would have to end. The nation would rub its eyes and begin to emerge from its reverie. The hallucinatory Obama would give way to the mere mortal. The great ethical transformations promised would be seen as a fairy tale that all presidents tell -- and that this president told better than anyone.
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Reply #2787 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 9:16am
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Obama should just nominate the richest 1,000 Democrats for his Cabinet. They will all scramble to pay their taxes, and the deficit is gone........
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Reply #2788 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 11:18am
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LOL Just think of the jobs created by this week's tax receipts alone!
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Reply #2789 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 11:54am
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Congressional Budget Office says the Stimulus Plan will do more long term harm than if he did nothing.

"Damn it!  Those are MY flags, I won them fair and square.  Now do what I say"

http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/05/Obama45_r350x200.jp...
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Reply #2790 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:09pm
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riffy, you ask why we libs don't respond to your statements about barry?

simple fact of the matter is it just is a pain in the ass to read glenny's posts. they are unbearably confrontational, poorly thought out and personally insulting. glenny is a nice guy in real life, but his personality on the board now is just too much. his post count in the politics thread alone must be reaching 700, and they are all one liners with zero substance that insult obama, his cabinet and board regulars.

has this been a smooth transition so far? hell no. daschle was an embarassment, as were the others who didn't pay their taxes. made barry look like an idiot for even considering them. but i hardly think he's shown he's in over his head. i'll say it again, he has been prez for just over two weeks. two weeks, and you are already declaring victory in 2012. hilarious! barry may fail...he may be the worst prez since coolidge or hoover...but after two weeks, it is impossible to tell. again, give him time to fail before he actually does fail.

riffy, you sound so suprised and shocked....a democratic administration and a democratic congress incuding provisions in a bill that call for cash for things like the natl endowment for the arts, pell grants, renewable energy research....riffy, this is who we voted for! it shouldn't be surprising. you knew it was coming.

there. see? i didn't even mention bush!
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Reply #2791 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:20pm
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Coolidge wasn't rated as a bad President. Certainly better than Carter & Clinton.


BTW Am I a racist or misogynist? Please add your vitriol!
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Congressional Budget Office says the Stimulus Plan will do more long term harm than if he did nothing.

"Damn it!  Those are MY flags, I won them fair and square.  Now do what I say"

http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/img/photos/2009/02/05/Obama45_r350x200.jp...

You know, the Dims run the CBO these days. Things must be REALLY bad!
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Reply #2793 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 2:05pm
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Biden Gives Odds on Messing Up
By Edward Epstein, CQ Staff
Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is nothing if not optimistic. So it was a little surprising when he hedged a bit earlier today, telling House Democrats there is "30 percent chance we'll get it wrong."

He was referring to efforts by the new administration and the Congress to address what he called a "constellation of crises" at home and abroad that pose great risks for the nation.

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30 percent chance we'll get it wrong," he told the lawmakers at their policy retreat in Williamsburg, Va.

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Biden Math - 100% = 70%.

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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2794 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 2:10pm
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I'm curious with how he comes up with his probabilities. As a math minor, I've never heard such poppycock. Biden never got the media scrutiny he should have gotten; the fix was in.
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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2795 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 2:27pm
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Here's some numbers:

A Rasmussen poll is out showing waning public support for President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus bill, and we asked Rasmussen what that means.

“First of all, the basic numbers are that a couple of weeks ago as the new president was being inaugurated, 45 percent supported the bill,” Rasmussen said. “It’s down to 37 percent today and for the first time a plurality is actually opposed to the package.

“The reason is very clear: There is a real resistance to the amount of spending in this package. Right now there is more support for a bill that is nothing but tax cuts than there is for the package working its way through Congress.”

Martella noted that a majority of Americans feel it is better to cut taxes than to increase the size of the government, and asked Rasmussen if there is anything surprising in that.

“No, this has been true since Ronald Reagan…

“Consistently, and we have surveyed this year after year no matter who is in office, Americans believe that tax cuts are good for the economy.”

Rasmussen added that most Americans do not agree with the view that a dollar of public spending is better for stimulus than a dollar of tax cuts.

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Reply #2796 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 2:30pm
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I watched CBS last night for the 1st & last time since the election & their poll said 51% supported it. I thought that # was a bit suspiciously high.
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Reply #2797 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 2:30pm
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Oh looky!


SANTA FE, N.M. - Holy hornet's nest, Batman! The New Mexico governor's mansion?

Fresh from the inauguration, actor Val Kilmer is pondering running for governor in 2010, when Democrat Bill Richardson's second term ends.

"I'm just looking for ways to be contributive," Kilmer told The Associated Press on Thursday. "And if that ends up being where I can make a substantial contribution, then I'll run."
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But there's no decision yet.

"It's really day to day," he said over tea at a local restaurant.

Kilmer, 49, grew up in Los Angeles but has called New Mexico home for more than two decades. He's currently registered as a Democrat and said he cast a ballot for Barack Obama from Bulgaria, where he was filming.

A Kilmer candidacy could throw a monkey wrench into the well-oiled Democratic machine of Lt. Gov. Diane Denish, who's already running for the job.

Kilmer's screen credits include Batman in "Batman Forever" in 1995, brash fighter pilot Lt. Tom "Iceman" Kazansky in the 1986 hit "Top Gun," and rock icon Jim Morrison in the 1991 Oliver Stone film, "The Doors."

Kilmer said if he ran it wouldn't have to be a conventional campaign. While the actor decides, he's getting out and about and has been listening to people — something he says he's pretty good at.

"What I do for a living is listen," he said, making a bold prediction: "If I run, I'm going to be the next governor."

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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2798 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 2:36pm
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Since this thread began with Charles Krauthammer, I thought you'd all enjoy his latest musings:

Catastrophe, mind you. So much for the president who in his inaugural address two weeks earlier declared "we have chosen hope over fear." Until, that is, you need fear to pass a bill.

And so much for the promise to banish the money changers and influence peddlers from the temple. An ostentatious executive order banning lobbyists was immediately followed by the nomination of at least a dozen current or former lobbyists to high position. Followed by a Treasury secretary who allegedly couldn't understand the payroll tax provisions in his 1040. Followed by Tom Daschle, who had to fall on his sword according to the new Washington rule that no Cabinet can have more than one tax delinquent.

The Daschle affair was more serious because his offense involved more than taxes. As Michael Kinsley once observed, in Washington the real scandal isn't what's illegal, but what's legal. Not paying taxes is one thing. But what made this case intolerable was the perfectly legal dealings that amassed Daschle $5.2 million in just two years.

He'd been getting $1 million per year from a law firm. But he's not a lawyer, nor a registered lobbyist. You don't get paid this kind of money to instruct partners on the Senate markup process. You get it for picking up the phone and peddling influence.

At least Tim Geithner, the tax-challenged Treasury secretary, had been working for years as a humble international civil servant earning non-stratospheric wages. Daschle, who had made another cool million a year (plus chauffeur and Caddy) for unspecified services to a pal's private equity firm, represented everything Obama said he'd come to Washington to upend.

And yet more damaging to Obama's image than all the hypocrisies in the appointment process is his signature bill: the stimulus package. He inexplicably delegated the writing to Nancy Pelosi and the barons of the House. The product, which inevitably carries Obama's name, was not just bad, not just flawed, but a legislative abomination.

It's not just pages and pages of special-interest tax breaks, giveaways and protections, one of which would set off a ruinous Smoot-Hawley trade war. It's not just the waste, such as the $88.6 million for new construction for Milwaukee Public Schools, which, reports the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, have shrinking enrollment, 15 vacant schools and, quite logically, no plans for new construction.

It's the essential fraud of rushing through a bill in which the normal rules (committee hearings, finding revenue to pay for the programs) are suspended on the grounds that a national emergency requires an immediate job-creating stimulus -- and then throwing into it hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress's own budget office says won't be spent until 2011 and beyond, and that are little more than the back-scratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism that Obama came to Washington to abolish. He said.

Not just to abolish but to create something new -- a new politics where the moneyed pork-barreling and corrupt logrolling of the past would give way to a bottom-up, grass-roots participatory democracy. That is what made Obama so dazzling and new. Turns out the "fierce urgency of now" includes $150 million for livestock (and honeybee and farm-raised fish) insurance.

The Age of Obama begins with perhaps the greatest frenzy of old-politics influence peddling ever seen in Washington. By the time the stimulus bill reached the Senate, reports the Wall Street Journal, pharmaceutical and high-tech companies were lobbying furiously for a new plan to repatriate overseas profits that would yield major tax savings. California wine growers and Florida citrus producers were fighting to change a single phrase in one provision. Substituting "planted" for "ready to market" would mean a windfall garnered from a new "bonus depreciation" incentive.

After Obama's miraculous 2008 presidential campaign, it was clear that at some point the magical mystery tour would have to end. The nation would rub its eyes and begin to emerge from its reverie. The hallucinatory Obama would give way to the mere mortal. The great ethical transformations promised would be seen as a fairy tale that all presidents tell -- and that this president told better than anyone.

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half weeks.

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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2799 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 2:37pm
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I posted that earlier but I guess Brainbell Jingler has walked away from his creation...
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