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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #275 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 11:05pm
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Doesn't this fly in the face of your logic that all network news has a liberal bias?


I am speaking specifically to radio formats MM.

I have no doubt that MSNBC made a bussiness decision to go far left in order to attract the audience that Fox could never appeal to. It's rather telling though that their ratings blow when compared to Fox's.


The Columbia School of Broadcasting (no conservative bastion they) did a blind test with their student body back in 2003 where news transcripts were evaluated on their bias. Shockingly Fox News was determined to be the most "fair and balanced" of the three network, and cable outlets. The report was quickly dismissed by all the Huff Po types that could never abide by the results. However, there you are. Oh, and guess which broadcast team was determined to be the most biased and partisan? Here's a hint. It starts with MS and ends with NBC!


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Reply #276 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 4:39am
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Joe the plumber gave himself his own tax break.  (Note...from Fox News so it must be true).

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/joe-plumber-owes-taxes/
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I boarded an international flight yesterday.  The Threat Level is Orange!  I repeat, the Threat Level is Orange.  That's the terrorist equivalent of Hezz-Con 3.

I have arrived safely, thanks to the dedication of security and customs forces on both sides of the border.  Canadians are our allies in the War on Terrorism.  The women are very attractive as well, so that's cool too.  Lots of booze in Canada too - pubs everywhere.
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sirmoonie wrote on Oct 17th, 2008 at 4:46am:
I boarded an international flight yesterday.  The Threat Level is Orange!  I repeat, the Threat Level is Orange.  That's the terrorist equivalent of Hezz-Con 3.

I have arrived safely, thanks to the dedication of security and customs forces on both sides of the border.  Canadians are our allies in the War on Terrorism.  The women are very attractive as well, so that's cool too.  Lots of booze in Canada too - pubs everywhere.


Damn right its orange.  The enemy this weekend is orange.

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Reply #279 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 5:51am
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robpop wrote on Oct 17th, 2008 at 4:39am:
Joe the plumber gave himself his own tax break.  (Note...from Fox News so it must be true).

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/joe-plumber-owes-taxes/



What's the old line about attacking the messenger? Gee the guy owes some back taxes?! Wow! That's insane! Imagine that, a guy that already has a problem paying off taxes is concerned about electing the candidate that has already proposed more federal spending (ie;-higher taxes) than any candidate in the history of this nation by ten fold! I can't imagine why any sane person would consider the idiot from Chicago to be tax hike threat, can you?


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Well we have Joe 6 Pack and Joe the Plumber taken care of. When is one of these asshat candidates going to figure out how to help the Average Joe?. Tax plans are worthless without a spending cut of massive proportions.
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Which candidate is more likely to stop spending increases? I doubt we'll see actual cuts in the total budget but if McCain's elected, we'll see some programs cut. Unless he pulls a W...
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Which candidate is more likely to stop spending increases? I doubt we'll see actual cuts in the total budget but if McCain's elected, we'll see some programs cut. Unless he pulls a W...


I have really been having a tough time defending Bush of late. Though to be honest I have always bitched about his spending from day one, and I'm not talking about necessary spending like the war. I am no Bush Geek as some one sided mono visual types love to claim. I support Bush when he's right, and withdraw that support when he's wrong. The bailout bill is wrong on every level and I can't defend it for a second. Though I have zero doubt that if it were a Democrat in office that the bill would be even more pork soaked than it already is. Let's remember that Barrack Obama tried like hell to get an additional 20 billion for ACORN!! You know the group that he doesn't really know that well! LOL! Can you imagine what that bill would have looked like had the Dems had a super majority plus a spender like Barry in office at the time? The mind reels at the thought. Yet some are ready to elect that exact situation into office!


Good news is that every poll is showing a dramatic turn around with regards to the poll numbers. I have stated all along that McCain will win this thing. I still think that he will, but I pray for it every night all the same!


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Reply #283 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:14am
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Starbuck wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 8:49pm:
Riffhard wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 8:26pm:
SIA I seem to be the only one on this entire board that has read Barry's books....My father, a man that is far wiser than any of the drones on this board..... You see, I know his agenda. I have read about him more than 99.9% of all his supporters, including every single member of this board.


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it's so nice to have you around here, riffy, so you can tell us how ignorant and stupid we all are.

who's the elitist asshole again?


But didn't you read Obama's communist manifesto? It is better than "my pet goat", and The Bush Doctrine. I'm done talking politics with someone who keeps telling me I'm stupid, ignorant ect...
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Riffhard wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 6:42pm:
Nasty Habits wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 6:32pm:
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About time McCain has a clear victory! I won't be around much until around Halloween but here's something worth reading before that Empty Suit finishes measuring the drapes...





Wow!  The rarely seen triple self quote.

Seems that the gist of that article is that the guy who is leading the polls before the election rarely wins by as much as the poll says he's going to win by.  Thanks for the info!

Glad to see you're back in play, Riffy!  Rage on!

BTW, don't waste your time on such a stupid argument.  That one goes 95% of income tax payers and you know it.  You can do better!



It ain't easy trying to save the country from a bunch of drones who know next to nothing about the Marxist that they have pinned their hopes on Nasty, but by God I'm doing my best!


Oh, and guess what Saul Alinsky points out in his 1971 book, "Rules For Radicals"? He says to agitate the "middle class masses" by playing "the class warfare card", and then when they feel that all is lost offer them "hope and change"! Yes those quotated bits are actualy lifted directly from this book hailing communism! Shocking, huh? Too bad so many people have been taken in by this charlatan. He is a good little commrade though. That much is for sure.


I'm glad that you have actually read up on this moron's history and his radical belief system. Other wise you might fall victim to the Kool Aid mentality of the other drones.



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Sorry, Riff, but although I am still not completely thrilled with the man, I must be counted as an idiot drone.  
Having listened close over the last four months, I have decided to go with intellect over emotion.  You gotta put me on the enemy list.

But it's much more fun to see you confident rather than desparate and angry, and look how this thread has grown since I visited it last.  That's some quality ragin'!

And your only 65% of Americans thing pay taxes is still a really poor gotcha.  It just is.   Oooooh, Obama's statement doesn't say "of course children and folks living on social security won't really get a tax break under my system".  So he is obviously lying.  It's a reach.  Seems I remember similar sweeping and inaccurate claims made about the stimulus checks.  I prefer your older, funnier material.

And when I heard the Joe the Plumber segment, my first reaction was "dude, that should be a pretty easy workaround."  Seriously - he's not pocketing 250,000 a year.  You don't pay your business taxes on your gross, you pay it on your net.  And most likely he pays himself a salary, and will pay based on what's on his W2 he gives himself, the advantage of the LLC or the S Corp.  If his business is making 250 - 280, he's well under that 250 cap less perfectly legal and necessary write offs.  WTF?   Makes no sense.  Don't see Joe's issue, except that maybe he needs to take a business class or two.  $75 well spent at a Tech college, Joey!
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Which candidate is more likely to stop spending increases? I doubt we'll see actual cuts in the total budget but if McCain's elected, we'll see some programs cut. Unless he pulls a W...


I have really been having a tough time defending Bush of late. Though to be honest I have always bitched about his spending from day one, and I'm not talking about necessary spending like the war. I am no Bush Geek as some one sided mono visual types love to claim. I support Bush when he's right, and withdraw that support when he's wrong. The bailout bill is wrong on every level and I can't defend it for a second. Though I have zero doubt that if it were a Democrat in office that the bill would be even more pork soaked than it already is. Let's remember that Barrack Obama tried like hell to get an additional 20 billion for ACORN!! You know the group that he doesn't really know that well! LOL! Can you imagine what that bill would have looked like had the Dems had a super majority plus a spender like Barry in office at the time? The mind reels at the thought. Yet some are ready to elect that exact situation into office!


Good news is that every poll is showing a dramatic turn around with regards to the poll numbers. I have stated all along that McCain will win this thing. I still think that he will, but I pray for it every night all the same!


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I hope there is a turnaround. It be interesting if Joe The Plumber saves McCain's campaign (and the country!).
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Which candidate is more likely to stop spending increases? I doubt we'll see actual cuts in the total budget but if McCain's elected, we'll see some programs cut. Unless he pulls a W...


I have really been having a tough time defending Bush of late. Though to be honest I have always bitched about his spending from day one, and I'm not talking about necessary spending like the war. I am no Bush Geek as some one sided mono visual types love to claim. I support Bush when he's right, and withdraw that support when he's wrong. The bailout bill is wrong on every level and I can't defend it for a second. Though I have zero doubt that if it were a Democrat in office that the bill would be even more pork soaked than it already is. Let's remember that Barrack Obama tried like hell to get an additional 20 billion for ACORN!! You know the group that he doesn't really know that well! LOL! Can you imagine what that bill would have looked like had the Dems had a super majority plus a spender like Barry in office at the time? The mind reels at the thought. Yet some are ready to elect that exact situation into office!


Good news is that every poll is showing a dramatic turn around with regards to the poll numbers. I have stated all along that McCain will win this thing. I still think that he will, but I pray for it every night all the same!


Riffy

I hope there is a turnaround. It be interesting if Joe The Plumber saves McCain's campaign (and the country!).



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What polls are showing any turnaround? What I see is still about a 6 point lead.Pennsyvania is as good as lost and if you optimistically give FL/OH and NC to McCain where he trails now in all 3 Obama still has enough electoral college votes to win.There is time left yes...but Dandy Don is warming up his song.Hey maybe Palin appearing on SNL pulls this out. Can you imagine the irony in that?
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There's a tracking poll by Gallup that shows a 2% O'Blama lead, nationwide.
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george stephanopoulus said there was no way mccain could win!
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BTW I realize it's tough for McCain to win but there are whole racist areas of this country (such as western PA!) that will not vote for O'Bama. And the MSM seems to overdo the horse race aspects of the story.
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Wrong.  It shows Obama STILL ahead by 7 points.  A 2 point drop from his previous lead.
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A spate of widely publicized newspaper and network polls over the past week have shown Barack Obama opening a big lead over John McCain. But other surveys tell a somewhat different story, suggesting the presidential race is still close, and the Republican has even gained ground in recent days.

The reason for the divergence: Pollsters are facing new challenges this year, trying to gauge whether the electorate is changing, and how much.

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See presidential polls nationwide and in battleground states.

Surveys giving Sen. Obama a large and growing lead tend to assume that a growing proportion of voters are Democrats, and a shrinking percentage Republicans. They also point to a big increase in turnout, particularly among voters under the age of 30. Surveys showing a closer race assume less change in party affiliation in particular.

To be sure, Sen. Obama leads in every national poll, and the Electoral College map appears to favor the Illinois senator, who campaigns this weekend in Republican-leaning states that all voted for President George W. Bush.

Real Clear Politics, a nonpartisan Web site that tracks major polls, reported Thursday that Sen. Obama led Sen. McCain by 49.5% to 42.7%, based on an average of 13 national surveys taken in the past week.

The polls feeding into that conclusion show a wide range, from a CBS/New York Times poll giving Sen. Obama a 14-point lead, to a Gallup poll showing the Illinois senator with just a two-point edge, equal to the margin of error.

A Los Angeles Times-Bloomberg poll this week shows the Illinois senator leading by nine points, while a Pew Research Center survey gives him a seven-point lead. But an Investor's Business Daily-TIPP poll shows Sen. Obama with a nearly four-point advantage. Recent polls by Rasmussen Reports and Zogby International show Sen. Obama leading by four and five points, respectively.

One Gallup poll shows the Democratic nominee's lead has shrunk since last week, falling to six points from 10. "Clearly, the race has tightened," says Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Daily.
[Some Polls Indicate Tighter Presidential Race]

The polls owe their wide variations, in part, to differences in how they determine likely voters. Gallup actually conducts two separate daily polls, one that includes all surveyed adults who say they will vote, and a second that is more restricted, using a decades-old methodology that determines "likely voters" in part by examining historical models on the types of voters who have showed up at the polls.

In the first Gallup sample, Sen. Obama leads Sen. McCain by six points. The second group yields the two-point gap. Both polls were conducted from Oct. 13-15.

Differences over how to accurately gauge party affiliation also help account for the discrepancies. Some pollsters argue polls should be statistically "weighted" so that their results achieve a partisan composition that reflects long-term national averages -- particularly if a poll shows that one party gets an unusually large share among the respondents, compared with past elections.

Pollster Scott Rasmussen, for example, weights current polls so that Democrats outnumber Republicans by a 39.3% to 33% margin, while pollster John Zogby adjusts polls so that Democrats account for around 38% of the electorate and Republicans, 36%. So even if a particular sample of calls shows different ratios, the pollsters adjust to fit that formula.

"What troubles me is when I see some of my colleagues have 27% of the respondents that are Republicans. That's just not America, period," says Mr. Zogby, whose polls have shown Sen. Obama with a lead ranging from two to six points this month. He argues that while party affiliation fluctuates over time, it doesn't change "day-to-day, and it never fluctuates by eight points in a short time period."
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Some surveys suggest McCain has gained ground in recent days.

Other pollsters argue that polls should use whatever partisan mix results from a particular survey rather than arbitrarily establishing party affiliation weights. "How do you know that's right? I mean, they're making up numbers," says Susan Pinkus, who conducts the Los Angeles Times-Bloomberg poll, which isn't weighted. In this week's poll, the respondents were 34% Democratic and 26% Republican.

Both campaigns are running large vote turnout operations, and the Obama campaign is counting on unprecedented turnout from young voters, which further complicates efforts to determine likely voters. "It's more art than science in many cases. They're very difficult decisions to make," says Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster who conducts the NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll.

Predicting turnout among young voters remains particularly challenging because many of those voters don't use landline phones that pollsters traditionally rely on to achieve a balanced sample. Pollsters have also struggled with accurately predicting minority turnout and how race could influence the current election.
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There's a tracking poll by Gallup that shows a 2% O'Blama lead, nationwide.


Wrong.  It shows Obama STILL ahead by 7 points.  A 2 point drop from his previous lead.

Don't argue with me, creep. I'm quoting Drudge. And he's doing it again. Drudge links to an AP/Yahoo poll that shows a 44/42% O'Bama lead. Barry knows this isn't over yet. McCain HAS to keep the pressure on. BTW that AP/Yahoo poll? 873 Dems were pooled versus 650 GOP. Odd...
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Wrong.  It shows Obama STILL ahead by 7 points.  A 2 point drop from his previous lead.

From that article I posted..."The polls feeding into that conclusion show a wide range, from a CBS/New York Times poll giving Sen. Obama a 14-point lead, to a Gallup poll showing the Illinois senator with just a two-point edge, equal to the margin of error." Learn to read before posting.
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Wrong.  It shows Obama STILL ahead by 7 points.  A 2 point drop from his previous lead.

Don't argue with me, creep. I'm quoting Drudge. And he's doing it again. Drudge links to an AP/Yahoo poll that shows a 44/42% O'Bama lead. Barry knows this isn't over yet. McCain HAS to keep the pressure on. BTW that AP/Yahoo poll? 873 Dems were pooled versus 650 GOP. Odd...



No need for a tantrum, glencar.  You referenced a Gallup poll and I looked it up.  And I'll argue with you any time I feel like it.
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You can argue all you want but at least have some truthiness. And read before posting. You do agree that it's a 2% lead, correct? You were wrong.
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Our posts must have crossed.  I was being truthful and reported the facts as I found them given the reference you made in the post I quoted.  You made no reference to Drudge in that post.  I will continue my truthiness and tell you that I don't read your long cut and pastes (or anyone else's) no matter how many times you post them.  I hope in future exchanges we can do without the name calling.
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