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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
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DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
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JC's boss's phone number    
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bucket of chicken    
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three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Re:  Obama elected President
Reply #2600 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:34pm
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sirmoonie wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 2:00pm:

Sadly, once again, I'm left to lead the way in denouncing un-American activity.


but who better to do so

seriously moonie  - you should get yer own TV show or something - i know i'd watch     :funny
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Reply #2601 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 9:45pm
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 12:14am:
Check this out.  ]I'M ON FRONTLINE!!!  The episode is Dreams of Obama, which aired tonight on PBS.  I appear in Section 3:  "Honing His Political Skills."  I appear at 0:40 wearing an Aussie hat and holding a sign that says "Reflect Reality."  I'm also visible from 1:15-1:20 behind Professor Bell.  STONES CONTENT:  I played harmonica with a guitar player at the start of the demonstration (Spring 1990); we played "You Can't Always Get What You Want."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dreamsofobama/view/3.html


Finally got a chance to watch.
Very cool BJ.
Nice to put a face with a "name".
You look mucher younger than you claim to be.

LJ.


Nice BBJ.  Did you ever talk to him personally?   I did have the honor to shake his hand.

Not much more than "hello" in passing.  We were both fairly visible figures on campus, but we didn't hang out.
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Reply #2602 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 10:53am
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sirmoonie wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:26pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 11:47am:
Surely I'm not the only one that has noticed that not one single liberal has managed to explain the position of Reich (Obama Administration) or the tax cheat Cadillac Charlie Rangal?

Come on guys. Let's hear it. How can this blatant attempt at wealth redistribution and social egineering be explained in the context of what the US Constitution allows? Anyone? 10th Amendment? Anyone?


Hello? Hello......?


Your silence on this issue is very telling.


chirp, chirp, chirp..........




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Agreed.  You can read a boatload into what people don't respond to.  Boat ass fucking load.

I'm not a "liberal" under my vague understanding of the term, I don't know who those two people you mentioned are, and don't know what they said.  But my guess is that the reason you have not received any responses is because the Constitutionality of laws aimed at tax rates or laws that disproportionally affect a particular class of citizens is a very complex issue, and whatever "liberals" there are here are probably as clueless as you are about the issue.  

Also, your earlier request for responses/arguments based on preamble language in the Declaration of Independence may have confused the fuck out of people, as it did me.  If you can post a link to where you cribbed the 10th amendment or "inalienable rights" theories you referenced, that tries to explain them better, I can try to comment.  Broad concepts/characterizations like "wealth re-distribution" or "social engineering" are not de facto un-Constitutional in any way that I am aware of, since every law ever written accomplishes that to some degree.

Another reason the "liberals" might have failed to respond would be if the statements you are interested in were about progressive tax rates or affirmative action.  That stuff got decided erroneously decades ago, and its hardly anything new.  Ask George Walker Bush III, he didn't do jack about either one.  So its hardly the issue de jour, and focusing on it now as if it were some unheard of colossal shift in government policy is goofy.  Moreover, its hardly worth even noting that a president who is a product of affirmative action is going to be for it nor, as you constantly assert, would those who voted for Obama be unaware of such an obvious fact.  They are either stupidly in favor of it, or more likely don't care because of its relative nonimportance in a day where former socialist presidents are fucked up enough to release captured terrorists.

Those are just my guesses as to the silence of the liberals.


You're a moron. There is nothing, absolulty nothing, conservative about you! You have managed to make frineds with so many liberals here big boy. How Mavericky of you! Be Proud! There is nothing difficult to understand about the 10th Amendment. The Framers wrote it so that even a moron like you could understand it. Yet you don't. You're a Maverick!

The feed was lifted straight from C-Span. No amount of editing can change the words or the meaning of what they are saying. What they are talking about here is wealth redistributuion and social engineering. It can't be denied or defended. They are blatant about it, and the plan is in keeping with Barry's ideology via Sal Alinsky's socialist nirvana. This is why not one single liberal can defend it. But keep trying you "true" conservative! ROTFLMMFAO!!!



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Reply #2603 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 11:05am
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Riffhard wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 9:29pm:
It's stunning in it's pure ignorance.

Riffy


"it's" (with apostrophe)--contraction of "it is."/"its"(without apostrophe)--possessive form of "it"  As in:  It's pure ignorance to believe in conservatism and its discredited economic theories.

Brainy



Ummmm, well ya can't argue with facts. Though I'd be willing to bet that you'll give it the old Ivy League college try.



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March 1, 2001
The Real Reagan Economic Record: Responsible and Successful Fiscal Policy
by Peter B. Sperry, Ph.D.
Backgrounder #1414

See also: The Truth About Tax Rates and The Politics of Class Warfare
by Daniel J. Mitchell, Ph.D.

After President George W. Bush sent Congress an outline of his tax reform plan on February 8, some critics immediately began to attack it as a return to what they portray as the fiscally irresponsible policies of the Reagan Administration. According to these commentators, Congress should scale back--if not outright reject--President Bush's tax reform proposals because they are based on a period when the wealthy received excessive tax cuts and revenue was wasted on defense even though most Americans struggled in poverty. This is a revisionist view of recent history that ignores reality and denies the fact that President Reagan's sound policies and determination deserve much of the credit for the current economic picture. Congress should embrace President Bush's tax reform plan as a responsible return to the most successful economic policy of the 20th century.

President Ronald Reagan's record includes sweeping economic reforms and deep across-the-board tax cuts, market deregulation, and sound monetary policies to contain inflation. His policies resulted in the largest peacetime economic boom in American history and nearly 35 million more jobs. As the Joint Economic Committee reported in April 2000:2

In 1981, newly elected President Ronald Reagan refocused fiscal policy on the long run. He proposed, and Congress passed, sharp cuts in marginal tax rates. The cuts increased incentives to work and stimulated growth. These were funda-mental policy changes that provided the foundation for the Great Expansion that began in December 1982.

As Exhibit 1 shows, the economic record of the last 17 years is remarkable, particularly when viewed against the backdrop of the 1970s. The United States has experienced two of the longest and strongest expansions in our history back to back. They have been interrupted only by a shallow eight-month downturn in 1990-91.








Even with the growing surplus, however, a small but vocal faction in Congress opposes any policies that would allow taxpayers to keep more of their own money through real tax cuts and that generally would shift power from the government to the people. This attempt to rewrite history should not be surprising. Proponents of additional government spending try to make the Reagan boom appear to be a bust because they fear that Reagan's success will help President Bush build popular support for lower taxes, further deregulation, and reduced government spending. But their rhetoric is easily countered by the evidence.

History confirms the soundness of the Reagan, and now Bush, approach to economic policy. Under President Reagan, federal revenues increased even with tax cuts, federal spending did not decrease, the country experienced the longest period of sustained growth during peacetime in its history, and the rich paid more taxes proportionately than they had before the tax cuts were implemented.

HOW DID THE REAGAN TAX CUTS AFFECT THE U.S. TREASURY?
Many critics of reducing taxes claim that the Reagan tax cuts drained the U.S. Treasury. The reality is that federal revenues increased significantly between 1980 and 1990:

Total federal revenues doubled from just over $517 billion in 1980 to more than $1 trillion in 1990. In constant inflation-adjusted dollars, this was a 28 percent increase in revenue.3

As a percentage of the gross domestic product (GDP), federal revenues declined only slightly from 18.9 percent in 1980 to 18 percent in 1990.4

Revenues from individual income taxes climbed from just over $244 billion in 1980 to nearly $467 billion in 1990.5 In inflation-adjusted dollars, this amounts to a 25 percent increase.
HOW DID REAGAN'S POLICIES AFFECT FEDERAL SPENDING?
Although critics continue to focus on President Reagan's budget "cuts," federal spending rose significantly during the 1980s:

Federal spending more than doubled, growing from almost $591 billion in 1980 to $1.25 trillion in 1990. In constant inflation-adjusted dollars, this was an increase of 35.8 percent.6

As a percentage of GDP, federal expenditures grew slightly from 21.6 percent in 1980 to 21.8 percent in 1990.7

Contrary to popular myth, while inflation-adjusted defense spending increased by 50 percent between 1980 and 1989, it was curtailed when the Cold War ended and fell by 15 percent between 1989 and 1993. However, means-tested entitlements, which do not include Social Security or Medicare, rose by over 102 percent between 1980 and 1993, and they have continued climbing ever since.8

Total spending on all national security programs never equaled domestic spending, even when Social Security, Medicare, and net interest are excluded from domestic totals. In addition, national security spending fell during the Administration of the senior President Bush, while domestic spending increased in both mandatory and discretionary accounts.9 (See Chart 1.)






HOW DID REAGAN'S POLICIES AFFECT ECONOMIC GROWTH?
Despite the steep recession in 1982--brought on by tight money policies that were instituted to squeeze out the historic inflation level of the late 1970s--by 1983, the Reagan policies of reducing taxes, spending, regulation, and inflation were in place. The result was unprecedented economic growth:

This economic boom lasted 92 months without a recession, from November 1982 to July 1990, the longest period of sustained growth during peacetime and the second-longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history. The growth in the economy lasted more than twice as long as the average period of expansions since World War II.10

The American economy grew by about one-third in real inflation-adjusted terms. This was the equivalent of adding the entire economy of East and West Germany or two-thirds of Japan's economy to the U.S. economy.11

From 1950 to 1973, real economic growth in the U.S. economy averaged 3.6 percent per year. From 1973 to 1982, it averaged only 1.6 percent. The Reagan economic boom restored the more usual growth rate as the economy averaged 3.5 percent in real growth from the beginning of 1983 to the end of 1990.12
HOW DID REAGAN'S POLICIES AFFECT THE FEDERAL TAX BURDEN?
Perhaps the greatest myth concerning the 1980s is that Ronald Reagan slashed taxes so dramatically for the rich that they no longer have paid their fair share. The flaw in this myth is that it mixes tax rates with taxes actually paid and ignores the real trend of taxation:

In 1991, after the Reagan rate cuts were well in place, the top 1 percent of taxpayers in income paid 25 percent of all income taxes; the top 5 percent paid 43 percent; and the bottom 50 percent paid only 5 percent.13 To suggest that this distribution is unfair because it is too easy on upper-income groups is nothing less than absurd.

The proportion of total income taxes paid by the top 1 percent rose sharply under President Reagan, from 18 percent in 1981 to 28 percent in 1988.14

Average effective income tax rates were cut even more for lower-income groups than for higher-income groups. While the average effective tax rate for the top 1 percent fell by 30 percent between 1980 and 1992, and by 35 percent for the top 20 percent of income earners, it fell by 44 percent for the second-highest quintile, 46 percent for the middle quintile, 64 percent for the second-lowest quintile, and 263 percent for the bottom quintile.15

These reductions for the lowest-income groups were so large because President Reagan doubled the personal exemption, increased the standard deduction, and tripled the earned income tax credit (EITC), which provides net cash for single-parent families with children at the lowest income levels. These changes eliminated income tax liability altogether for over 4 million lower-income families.16
Critics often add in the Social Security payroll tax and argue that the total federal tax burden shifted more to lower-income groups and away from upper-income groups; but President Reagan's changes were in the income tax, not in the Social Security payroll tax. The payroll tax was imposed by proponents of big government over the past 50 years, and it is they, not Ronald Reagan, who should be held accountable for its distributional effects.

Nevertheless, even if one counts the Social Security payroll tax, the share of total federal taxes increased between 1980 and 1989 for the following groups:

For the top 1 percent of taxpayers, from 12.9 percent in 1980 to 15.4 percent in 1989;

For the top 5 percent of taxpayers, from 27.3 percent in 1980 to 30.4 percent in 1989; and

For the top 20 percent of taxpayers, from 56.1 percent in 1980 to 58.6 percent in 1989.
On the other hand, the share of total federal taxes, if one includes the Social Security payroll tax, declined for four groups:

For the second-highest 20 percent of taxpayers, from 22.2 percent in 1980 to 20.8 percent in 1989;

For the middle 20 percent of taxpayers, from 13.2 percent in 1980 to 12.5 percent in 1989;

For the second-lowest 20 percent of taxpayers, from 6.9 percent in 1980 to 6.4 percent in 1989; and

For the lowest 20 percent of taxpayers, from 1.6 percent in 1980 to 1.5 percent in 1989.17
CONCLUSION
No matter how advocates of big government try to rewrite history, Ronald Reagan's record of fiscal responsibility continues to stand as the most successful economic policy of the 20th century. His tax reforms triggered an economic expansion that continues to this day. His investments in national security ended the Cold War and made possible the subsequent defense spending reductions that are largely responsible for the current federal surpluses. His efforts to restrain the expansion of federal government helped to limit the growth of domestic spending.

If Reagan's critics had been willing to work with him to limit domestic spending even further and to control the growth of entitlements, the budget would have been balanced five to ten years sooner and without the massive tax increase imposed in 1993. Today, Members of Congress from across the political spectrum should stand on the evidence and defend the Reagan record.

To the extent that President Bush's proposals mirror those of Ronald Reagan, his plan should be a welcome strategy to lower the tax burden on Americans and to make the system more responsible. If the advocates of big government in Congress cooperate with President Bush rather than merely continuing to fund obsolete, wasteful, and redundant programs, there is no limit to the prosperity that Americans can generate.

Peter Sperry is the Grover M. Hermann Fellow in Federal Budgetary Affairs in the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.

Endnotes

1. This paper is an update of an earlier Heritage Foundation publication on the Reagan record by Peter J. Ferrara, "What Really Happened in the 1980s?" in Issues '94: The Candidate's Briefing Book (Washington, D.C.: The Heritage Foundation, 1994), pp. 3-23; copies available upon request.

2. Joint Economic Committee, The Great Expansion: How It Was Achieved and How It Can Be Sustained, U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate, 106th Cong., 2nd Sess., April 2000, pp. 4-6.

3. U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2001: Historical Tables, February 2000, Table 1.3, p. 23.

4. Ibid.

5. Ibid., Table 2.1, p. 27.

6. Ibid., Table 1.3, p. 23.

7. Ibid.

8. Ibid., Table 8.2, p. 118.

9. Ibid. and Table 8.1, p. 117.

10. Robert Bartley, The Seven Fat Years (New York: Free Press, 1992), pp. 135, 144.

11. Richard B. McKenzie, What Went Right in the 1980s (San Francisco: Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy, 1994), p. 8.

12. Bartley, The Seven Fat Years, p. 6.

13. McKenzie, What Went Right in the 1980s, p. 277.

14. Ibid.

15. Ibid., p. 278.

16. Alan Reynolds and Norman Ture, "The Real Reagan Record," National Review, August 31, 1992, p. 31.

17. McKenzie, What Went Right in the 1980s, p. 276.


 
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Reply #2604 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:15pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 10:53am:
sirmoonie wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:26pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 11:47am:
Surely I'm not the only one that has noticed that not one single liberal has managed to explain the position of Reich (Obama Administration) or the tax cheat Cadillac Charlie Rangal?

Come on guys. Let's hear it. How can this blatant attempt at wealth redistribution and social egineering be explained in the context of what the US Constitution allows? Anyone? 10th Amendment? Anyone?


Hello? Hello......?


Your silence on this issue is very telling.


chirp, chirp, chirp..........




Riffy


Agreed.  You can read a boatload into what people don't respond to.  Boat ass fucking load.

I'm not a "liberal" under my vague understanding of the term, I don't know who those two people you mentioned are, and don't know what they said.  But my guess is that the reason you have not received any responses is because the Constitutionality of laws aimed at tax rates or laws that disproportionally affect a particular class of citizens is a very complex issue, and whatever "liberals" there are here are probably as clueless as you are about the issue.  

Also, your earlier request for responses/arguments based on preamble language in the Declaration of Independence may have confused the fuck out of people, as it did me.  If you can post a link to where you cribbed the 10th amendment or "inalienable rights" theories you referenced, that tries to explain them better, I can try to comment.  Broad concepts/characterizations like "wealth re-distribution" or "social engineering" are not de facto un-Constitutional in any way that I am aware of, since every law ever written accomplishes that to some degree.

Another reason the "liberals" might have failed to respond would be if the statements you are interested in were about progressive tax rates or affirmative action.  That stuff got decided erroneously decades ago, and its hardly anything new.  Ask George Walker Bush III, he didn't do jack about either one.  So its hardly the issue de jour, and focusing on it now as if it were some unheard of colossal shift in government policy is goofy.  Moreover, its hardly worth even noting that a president who is a product of affirmative action is going to be for it nor, as you constantly assert, would those who voted for Obama be unaware of such an obvious fact.  They are either stupidly in favor of it, or more likely don't care because of its relative nonimportance in a day where former socialist presidents are fucked up enough to release captured terrorists.

Those are just my guesses as to the silence of the liberals.


You're a moron. There is nothing, absolulty nothing, conservative about you! You have managed to make frineds with so many liberals here big boy. How Mavericky of you! Be Proud! There is nothing difficult to understand about the 10th Amendment. The Framers wrote it so that even a moron like you could understand it. Yet you don't. You're a Maverick!

The feed was lifted straight from C-Span. No amount of editing can change the words or the meaning of what they are saying. What they are talking about here is wealth redistributuion and social engineering. It can't be denied or defended. They are blatant about it, and the plan is in keeping with Barry's ideology via Sal Alinsky's socialist nirvana. This is why not one single liberal can defend it. But keep trying you "true" conservative! ROTFLMMFAO!!!



Riffy




HAHA!  "Managed to have made friends with so many liberals," huh?  I feel like I've been black listed and denounced at the same time.  Shades of Trumbo.  Shades of Lardner.  Have you no sense of decency, sir?  Have you no sense of decency, sir?  Just who is scoring that one Riffy, because I've seen you fraternizing with these god-forsooked liberals too.  And a homo too, btw.

Dude, you completely missed everything I said, and I can't tell if you read what I posted and ignored it, or read it and didn't understand it, or didn't read it.  You need to tell me which of 3, so I can attempt to bridge the quotient gap. 

I did point out to you, and I'll do it again, that the ship sailed on affirmative action and progressive tax rates that I think your trying to discuss (and again, I didn't read any of your links) long ago.  So in that sense, "liberals" not only can defend it, but did succesfully at many years ago.  But none of that is new, hidden, undisclosed, or any longer radical, which seem to be your main Obama prognosive themes.  And, again, my guess as to why the liberals here didn't defend those programs (that I believe to be wrong), is because (1) they know its very old news, and/or (2) their knowledge of the Constitution is as empty as you have proven yours to be.  Again.

I asked for a link to where you got this inalienable rights/10th Amendment theory regarding the Constitutionality of those laws.  You failed to provide even one, so I assume that there isn't one and I'll never get a decent explanation of whatever it is you are trying to say.  Anyway, if it helps, I think you're talking about the 14th amendment.

Riffy, what you SHOULD be jumping up and down about is what SHOULD be the last straw in your favorite former president's dunce cap - sending  captured, high level, Islamic Al Quada terrorists back home to commit further acts of terrorism against Americans.  WTF????  Seriously, WTF????  Where is the outrage?  That's something Sal ALinsky would do, Magoo!
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The White House has a cool vinyl collection (Who knew!!)
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Apparently in the basement of the White House there is a whole bunch of cool records. The RIAA, the recording industries trade group, updated the vinyl during the end of the Nixon era. But their idea of hip was Pat Boone!

The Carter administration hired a "rock critic" to hip it up...Allegedly their is vinyl (likely unopened) from Captain Beefheart, Ramones, Sex Pistols. Isaac Hayes, & Led Zeppelin.

We know President Obama has a Blackberry....wonder if he has a turntable??

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We know President Obama has a Blackberry....wonder if he has a turntable??

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Never knew The White House had this:

The White House has a cool vinyl collection (Who knew!!)
POSTED AT 2:25 PM ON JANUARY 25, 2009 BY BILL DEVILLE (0 COMMENTS)
Apparently in the basement of the White House there is a whole bunch of cool records. The RIAA, the recording industries trade group, updated the vinyl during the end of the Nixon era. But their idea of hip was Pat Boone!

The Carter administration hired a "rock critic" to hip it up...Allegedly their is vinyl (likely unopened) from Captain Beefheart, Ramones, Sex Pistols. Isaac Hayes, & Led Zeppelin.

We know President Obama has a Blackberry....wonder if he has a turntable??

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/music_blog/archive/...

"Their is vinyl"? Good to see MPR is uneducated!
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Remember the sense of unity and support for the President after 9/11?  Don't expect a similar response from the right wing in the current economic crisis.  You may recall after the attacks some commentators stating that it was a good thing that Bush "won" the 2000 election, because Republicans would never have rallied around Gore the way Democrats did for Bush.  The same "party and ideology first/country second" attitude is now being displayed by dead-enders on this board and their reactionary ringleaders.  As comedian Rush Limbaugh said of President Obama, "Four words:  I hope he fails."  Watch for these sore losers to ignore, deny and mischaracterize the President's successes for the next eight years.

1st of all, Limbaugh said that if he's going to push a socialist gov't, "I hope he fails." I heard it myself. Apparently you have decided to edit for certain reasons. This scumbag acquaintance of yours does seem to be charting a socialist course & frankly, I hope he succeeds. Then all those twits who voted for him can reap the returns of their folly.
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Putting aside momentarily the fact that one of them supports the slaughter of defenseless little animals, isn't it enough that Michelle Obama chose to wear threads designed by Americans to the Inauguration Day festivities?

Well, the answers is NO for The Black Artists Association.

They're upset because our new First Lady didn't wear something by an African-American.

Michelle's day wear was designed by Cuban American Isabel Toledo and evening wear by Jason 'animal killer' Wu, an Asian American.

One of the BAA's co-founders told Women's Wear Daily, “It’s fine and good if you want to be all ‘Kumbaya’ and ‘We Are the World’ by representing all different countries. But if you are going to have Isabel Toledo do the inauguration dress, and Jason Wu do the evening gown, why not have Kevan Hall, B Michael, Stephen Burrows or any of the other black designers do something too?”

And when asked if perhaps the First Lady isn’t 'looking at the world colorlessly' the BAA rep said, “It’s one thing to look at the world without color but she had seven slots to wear designer clothes. Why wasn’t she wearing the clothes of a black designer? That was our moment.”

We say, leave Michelle alone! Let her pick her outfits based on whether she's feeling the fashion vibe, not because of the person's ethnic background.

We also hope she won't support any fur users too!
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Reply #2612 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 7:42pm
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Reply #2613 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 7:57pm
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Huh? That's other blacks criticizes Mrs. O. I personally don't give a shit what Dragon lady wears. And I love black people!
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Reply #2614 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 8:21pm
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Some Guy wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 7:42pm:
glencar does not particularly care for black people.


that can't be true. look at his astoundingly ghey will smith avatar.
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Reply #2615 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 8:23pm
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will this thread still be around when obama wins his second term?
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Reply #2616 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 8:28pm
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Starbuck wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 8:21pm:
Some Guy wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 7:42pm:
glencar does not particularly care for black people.


that can't be true. look at his astoundingly ghey will smith avatar.

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Reply #2617 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 9:14pm
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sirmoonie wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:15pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 10:53am:
sirmoonie wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:26pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 11:47am:
Surely I'm not the only one that has noticed that not one single liberal has managed to explain the position of Reich (Obama Administration) or the tax cheat Cadillac Charlie Rangal?

Come on guys. Let's hear it. How can this blatant attempt at wealth redistribution and social egineering be explained in the context of what the US Constitution allows? Anyone? 10th Amendment? Anyone?


Hello? Hello......?


Your silence on this issue is very telling.


chirp, chirp, chirp..........




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Agreed.  You can read a boatload into what people don't respond to.  Boat ass fucking load.

I'm not a "liberal" under my vague understanding of the term, I don't know who those two people you mentioned are, and don't know what they said.  But my guess is that the reason you have not received any responses is because the Constitutionality of laws aimed at tax rates or laws that disproportionally affect a particular class of citizens is a very complex issue, and whatever "liberals" there are here are probably as clueless as you are about the issue.  

Also, your earlier request for responses/arguments based on preamble language in the Declaration of Independence may have confused the fuck out of people, as it did me.  If you can post a link to where you cribbed the 10th amendment or "inalienable rights" theories you referenced, that tries to explain them better, I can try to comment.  Broad concepts/characterizations like "wealth re-distribution" or "social engineering" are not de facto un-Constitutional in any way that I am aware of, since every law ever written accomplishes that to some degree.

Another reason the "liberals" might have failed to respond would be if the statements you are interested in were about progressive tax rates or affirmative action.  That stuff got decided erroneously decades ago, and its hardly anything new.  Ask George Walker Bush III, he didn't do jack about either one.  So its hardly the issue de jour, and focusing on it now as if it were some unheard of colossal shift in government policy is goofy.  Moreover, its hardly worth even noting that a president who is a product of affirmative action is going to be for it nor, as you constantly assert, would those who voted for Obama be unaware of such an obvious fact.  They are either stupidly in favor of it, or more likely don't care because of its relative nonimportance in a day where former socialist presidents are fucked up enough to release captured terrorists.

Those are just my guesses as to the silence of the liberals.


You're a moron. There is nothing, absolulty nothing, conservative about you! You have managed to make frineds with so many liberals here big boy. How Mavericky of you! Be Proud! There is nothing difficult to understand about the 10th Amendment. The Framers wrote it so that even a moron like you could understand it. Yet you don't. You're a Maverick!

The feed was lifted straight from C-Span. No amount of editing can change the words or the meaning of what they are saying. What they are talking about here is wealth redistributuion and social engineering. It can't be denied or defended. They are blatant about it, and the plan is in keeping with Barry's ideology via Sal Alinsky's socialist nirvana. This is why not one single liberal can defend it. But keep trying you "true" conservative! ROTFLMMFAO!!!



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HAHA!  "Managed to have made friends with so many liberals," huh?  I feel like I've been black listed and denounced at the same time.  Shades of Trumbo.  Shades of Lardner.  Have you no sense of decency, sir?  Have you no sense of decency, sir?  Just who is scoring that one Riffy, because I've seen you fraternizing with these god-forsooked liberals too.  And a homo too, btw.

Dude, you completely missed everything I said, and I can't tell if you read what I posted and ignored it, or read it and didn't understand it, or didn't read it.  You need to tell me which of 3, so I can attempt to bridge the quotient gap.  

I did point out to you, and I'll do it again, that the ship sailed on affirmative action and progressive tax rates that I think your trying to discuss (and again, I didn't read any of your links) long ago.  So in that sense, "liberals" not only can defend it, but did succesfully at many years ago.  But none of that is new, hidden, undisclosed, or any longer radical, which seem to be your main Obama prognosive themes.  And, again, my guess as to why the liberals here didn't defend those programs (that I believe to be wrong), is because (1) they know its very old news, and/or (2) their knowledge of the Constitution is as empty as you have proven yours to be.  Again.

I asked for a link to where you got this inalienable rights/10th Amendment theory regarding the Constitutionality of those laws.  You failed to provide even one, so I assume that there isn't one and I'll never get a decent explanation of whatever it is you are trying to say.  Anyway, if it helps, I think you're talking about the 14th amendment.

Riffy, what you SHOULD be jumping up and down about is what SHOULD be the last straw in your favorite former president's dunce cap - sending  captured, high level, Islamic Al Quada terrorists back home to commit further acts of terrorism against Americans.  WTF????  Seriously, WTF????  Where is the outrage?  That's something Sal ALinsky would do, Magoo!



Before I lay waste to your ridiculous argument and make everyone on this board question your standing as a lawyer. Allow to make one amendment of my own concerning my last post.

I never meant to claim that I wasn't friends with any liberals on this board. When I said that you've made friends with the liberals here I should have prefaced the word "friends" with the word "political". You have, indeed, made many political friends with many of the liberals on this board.

Now getting back to the crux of the issues here. You ask for a link to the 10th Amendment to support my claim. Then you go out of your way to suggest that I have my Constitutional Amendments confused. Well, you're clueless. The 14th Amendment addresses questions of citizenship, and was originally drafted as a protection for former slaves' rights. It has zero to do with the rights of the states or the individual as pertaining to the intrusion of Federal powers on taxation. No, that would be the 10th Amendment. Hell, I even quoted the most pertinent line from the 10th for you!  If you need a link to that I'd suggest you Google US Constitution/10th Amendment. While you're at it you might try brushing up on the definition of socialism.

You seem to have a difficult time recognizing "wealth redistribution" and "social engineering"when they're staring you in the face. Perhaps I can help you there.

When the federal government taxes hard working people and then launders that money through the federal bureaucracy and redistributes it to people that do not work, or haven't earned said monies, then that is wealth redistribution. Furthermore, when the government directs that same money towards certain segments of the citizenry like, oh I don't know, say "minorities, the long term unemployed, and women" , but avoids granting any of it to, hmmm...let's say "highly skilled professionals and white male construction workers" then they are attempting to engineer the society, or they are said to be engaging in what we would refer to as "social engineering". Got it? It ain't that difficult.

What kind of law do you practice Moonie? It sure as hell isn't Constitutional Law! Hell son I'm not even a lawyer and I knew your argument was crap before I finished reading your last post! So as to help you better understand the difference between the 10th Amendment and the 14th Amendment I have taken the trouble to give you a couple of links to the website FindLaw.com. I suggest that you check the site out. I mean as a lawyer and all it might help you in your line of work.


Here's the link to the 10th-http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment10/


And here's the link to the 14th-http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/



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Reply #2618 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 3:39am
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Most brilliant idea ever!

Close Gitmo, send them to Alcatraz, let Pelosi keep an eye on them, and sell National Park tickets to see them while paying for Obama's spending.  Genius!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/25/pelosi-shrugs-alcatraz-possible-terro...
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That's pretty funny Jizzy. Yet what I'm saying is true. I don't claim to be an expert in law. However, I do know what the 10th Amendment is all about. I also know what socialism is. So, why don't you take a crack at defending the Reich/Rangal video?


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Reply #2623 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 6:39am
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Nothing much Some Guy. Just defending truth, justice, and the American way. Sup? How's Hotlanta? I'll be back in June.


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Nothing much Some Guy. Just defending truth, justice, and the American way. Sup? How's Hotlanta? I'll be back in June.


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