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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
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Hoffa's body    
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"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 7:59am:
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

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Dick Morris      

Bush’s legacy: European socialism  
By Dick Morris  
Posted: 11/18/08 07:10 PM [ET]  

The results of the G-20 economic summit amount to nothing less than the seamless integration of the United States into the European economy. In one month of legislation and one diplomatic meeting, the United States has unilaterally abdicated all the gains for the concept of free markets won by the Reagan administration and surrendered, in toto, to the Western European model of socialism, stagnation and excessive government regulation. Sovereignty is out the window. Without a vote, we are suddenly members of the European Union. Given the dismal record of those nations at creating jobs and sustaining growth, merger with the Europeans is like a partnership with death.


At the G-20 meeting, Bush agreed to subject the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and our other regulatory agencies to the supervision of a global entity that would critique its regulatory standards and demand changes if it felt they were necessary. Bush agreed to create a College of Supervisors.

According to The Washington Post, it would “examine the books of major financial institutions that operate across national borders so regulators could begin to have a more complete picture of banks’ operations.”

Their scrutiny would extend to hedge funds and to various “exotic” financial instruments. The International Monetary Fund (IMF), a European-dominated operation, would conduct “regular vigorous reviews” of American financial institutions and practices. The European-dominated College of Supervisors would also weigh in on issues like executive compensation and investment practices.


There is nothing wrong with the substance of this regulation. Experience is showing it is needed. But it is very wrong to delegate these powers to unelected, international institutions with no political accountability.

We have a Securities and Exchange Commission appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate, both of whom are elected by the American people. It is with the SEC, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve that financial accountability must take place.


The European Union achieved this massive subrogation of American sovereignty the way it usually does, by negotiation, gradual bureaucratic encroachment, and without asking the voters if they approve. What’s more, Bush appears to have gone down without a fight, saving his debating time for arguing against the protectionism that France’s Nicolas Sarkozy was pushing. By giving Bush a seeming victory on a moratorium against protectionism for one year, Sarkozy was able to slip over his massive scheme for taking over the supervision of the U.S. economy.


All kinds of political agendas are advancing under the cover of response to the global financial crisis. Where Franklin Roosevelt saved capitalism by regulating it, Bush, to say nothing of Obama, has given the government control over our major financial and insurance institutions. And it isn’t even our government! The power has now been transferred to the international community, led by the socialists in the European Union.


Will Obama govern from the left? He doesn’t have to. George W. Bush has done all the heavy lifting for him. It was under Bush that the government basically took over as the chief stockholder of our financial institutions and under Bush that we ceded our financial controls to the European Union. In doing so, he has done nothing to preserve what differentiates the vibrant American economy from those dying economies in Europe. Why have 80 percent of the jobs that have been created since 1980 in the industrialized world been created in the United States? How has America managed to retain its leading 24 percent share of global manufacturing even in the face of the Chinese surge? How has the U.S. GDP risen so high that it essentially equals that of the European Union, which has 50 percent more population? It has done so by an absence of stifling regulation, a liberation of capital to flow to innovative businesses, low taxes, and by a low level of unionization that has given business the flexibility to grow and prosper. Europe, stagnated by taxation and regulation, has grown by a pittance while we have roared ahead. But now Bush — not Obama — Bush has given that all up and caved in to European socialists.


The Bush legacy? European socialism. Who needs enemies with friends like Bush?

Morris, a former adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of Outrage. To get all of Dick Morris’s and Eileen McGann’s columns for free by email, go to www.dickmorris.com. To order a signed copy of their new best-selling


A very interesting perspective Moteskink, although I doubt its yours.  Still, one of the few cut and paste jobs you (or most people) have done that made sense.

I had thought of making the underlying facts above part of my Comprehensive Global Bush Geek Humiliation Protocol Report, but I figured they wouldn't get it.  Stick to the basics with that crowd.

Nice job by Morris on this little piece of rhetoric: "Will Obama govern from the left? He doesn’t have to. George W. Bush has done all the heavy lifting for him. It was under Bush that the government basically took over as the chief stockholder of our financial institutions and under Bush that we ceded our financial controls to the European Union."   Whap skink!
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Nellcote wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 9:40am:
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Rondo rolled last night.  I still don't think he's a true Celt.

More importantly, The Nation invades New England week after this.  You okay with all those terrible towels in your home stadium?  Many of those people drink heavily at road games, just FYI.  They like to boogie.
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sirmoonie wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:12am:
Nellcote wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 9:40am:
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Rondo rolled last night.  I still don't think he's a true Celt.

More importantly, The Nation invades New England week after this.  You okay with all those terrible towels in your home stadium?  Many of those people drink heavily at road games, just FYI.  They like to boogie.

Blew the doors of AI & CO, the frauds they are.
We need to beat the gadget Phins this weekend, or next week means nothing.
Two cold weathah teams @ The Razor is usually good gig
Leave the towels at home.
Anthony Smith coming?
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Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

 
In the first two weeks since the election, President-elect Barack Obama has broken with a tradition established over the past eight years through his controversial use of complete sentences, political observers say.

Millions of Americans who watched Mr. Obama's appearance on CBS's 60 Minutes on Sunday witnessed the president-elect's unorthodox verbal tic, which had Mr. Obama employing grammatically correct sentences virtually every time he opened his mouth.

But Mr. Obama's decision to use complete sentences in his public pronouncements carries with it certain risks, since after the last eight years many Americans may find his odd speaking style jarring.

According to presidential historian Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota, some Americans might find it "alienating" to have a president who speaks English as if it were his first language.

"Every time Obama opens his mouth, his subjects and verbs are in agreement," says Mr. Logsdon. "If he keeps it up, he is running the risk of sounding like an elitist."

The historian said that if Mr. Obama insists on using complete sentences in his speeches, the public may find itself saying, "Okay, subject, predicate, subject predicate -- we get it, stop showing off."

The president-elect's stubborn insistence on using complete sentences has already attracted a rebuke from one of his harshest critics, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska.

"Talking with complete sentences there and also too talking in a way that ordinary Americans like Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder can't really do there, I think needing to do that isn't tapping into what Americans are needing also," she said.
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60 days and the socializing, can't plan a war with the most powerful army, getting loaded and falling down on his head, envoirmental destroying, child leaving behind, C -, cheerleader, rich kid frat dick who started life on third base and thinks he hit a triple motherfucker is done ruining america!!!
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60 days and the socializing, can't plan a war with the most powerful army, getting loaded and falling down on his head, envoirmental destroying, child leaving behind, C -, cheerleader, rich kid frat dick who started life on third base and thinks he hit a triple motherfucker is done ruining america!!!


you simply must reinstall the "days until W leaves office" counter again! we will rejoice when it's down to nil!

say...while we're at it....will someone please drop joey off at a nebraska hospital before the unwanted child law changes again??? we only have a few weeks!!
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60 days and the socializing, can't plan a war with the most powerful army, getting loaded and falling down on his head, envoirmental destroying, child leaving behind, C -, cheerleader, rich kid frat dick who started life on third base and thinks he hit a triple motherfucker is done ruining america!!!


you simply must reinstall the "days until W leaves office" counter again! we will rejoice when it's down to nil!

say...while we're at it....will someone please drop joey off at a nebraska hospital before the unwanted child law changes again??? we only have a few weeks!!

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You've asked this question before. The clock can not be added here, for the same reasons we can't embed youtubes, it isn't allowed an Yabb boards. I've been asked this before, and responded, and you noobs don't seem to get it...

Ok now!!

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Just thought of the perfect song for Barry's inaugural:




Everybody got the right to speak their mind
So don't shoot me for saying mine
Everybody talking about racial equality
'Cos everybody's equal in the good Lord's eyes
But if I told you that God was black
What would you think of that
I bet you wouldn't believe it

There's a self made prophet living right next to me
He said the Black Messiah's gonna come and set the whole world free
He looked at me with his evil eye and prophesied
And he really believed it

He said a Black Messiah is gonna set the world on fire
And he's no liar, 'cos he has truly heard the word
Everybody talking about racial equality
But I'm the only honky living on an all black street
They knock me down 'cos they brown and I white

Everybody got the right to speak their mind
So don't shoot me for saying mine
Everyobody talking about racial equality
You hear everybody talking about equal rights
But white's white, black's black and that's that
And that's the way you should leave it

Don't want no Black Messiah to come and set the world on fire
A Black Messiah is gonna come and rule the world
Everybody got to show a little give and take
Everybody got to live with a little less hate
Everybody gotta work it out, we gotta sort it out
Everbody got the right to speak their mind
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You've asked this question before. The clock can not be added here, for the same reasons we can't embed youtubes, it isn't allowed an Yabb boards. I've been asked this before, and responded, and you noobs don't seem to get it...

Ok now!!

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sheesh.....aren't you bein' ..... a "little testy".....
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Nellcote wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:16am:
sirmoonie wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:12am:
Nellcote wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 9:40am:
Moonbat-KG in town 2nite
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Rondo rolled last night.  I still don't think he's a true Celt.

More importantly, The Nation invades New England week after this.  You okay with all those terrible towels in your home stadium?  Many of those people drink heavily at road games, just FYI.  They like to boogie.

Blew the doors of AI & CO, the frauds they are.
We need to beat the gadget Phins this weekend, or next week means nothing.
Two cold weathah teams @ The Razor is usually good gig
Leave the towels at home.
Anthony Smith coming?

No, but a healthy Troy Polamalu will be.  Watch out!  He's crazy or something.
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Will George Walker Bush III go bailwad on Citi come Monday?  Like all the other decisions, I'm sure he's working hard this weekend, putting some real thought into it how best to utilize taxpayer resources.  He's the decider.
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Will George Walker Bush III go bailwad on Citi come Monday?  Like all the other decisions, I'm sure he's working hard this weekend, putting some real thought into it how best to utilize taxpayer resources.  He's the decider.


At $4 a share, it is a bargain! Been a stockholder for a long time, never thought it would be this low, seems like it wasn't that long ago we were getting dividend checks and the stock split... I beleibe clinton was president then.

Can anyone explain to me how the split in GOP, is the democrats fault?
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That Iraq withrawal agreement truly is astounding.  The guy commits idiocy and incompetence on such a grand scale, sometime it takes weeks to catch up with his latest fuckups.  For fuck's sake, the whole unplanned, amorphous, un-ending nation building plan cannot have been the real reason that we spent trillions of $$$$$$$ and made hundreds of thousands of American troops spend 5 years plus getting shot at by nitwits running around in turbans.  Nobody truly believes in Islamic nation building do they?  That would be retarded.  Nobody but a Bush Geek would applaud such a demented idea, and they only do it after the fact as an emotional response. 

Presumably, the present administration believed that the then present military facilities in the Gulf region were not enough to attack Iran if necessary, so we decided to fortify Iraq and stick around indefinitely.  Right?  That's why troops in Korea were drawn down, right?  Well, that appears to be off the chalkboard now - and thanks to a TIMELINED withdrawal no less. 

Once again, to all Bush Geeks, get out a crayon, make two columns, title the left side "What Retard Am Say" and the other side "What Retard Is Did" then fill it out with all your mindless rhetorical positions on the left side and see if there is a pattern you can detect.
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That Iraq withrawal agreement truly is astounding.  The guy commits idiocy and incompetence on such a grand scale, sometime it takes weeks to catch up with his latest fuckups.  For fuck's sake, the whole unplanned, amorphous, un-ending nation building plan cannot have been the real reason that we spent trillions of $$$$$$$ and made hundreds of thousands of American troops spend 5 years plus getting shot at by nitwits running around in turbans.  Nobody truly believes in Islamic nation building do they?  That would be retarded.  Nobody but a Bush Geek would applaud such a demented idea, and they only do it after the fact as an emotional response.  

Presumably, the present administration believed that the then present military facilities in the Gulf region were not enough to attack Iran if necessary, so we decided to fortify Iraq and stick around indefinitely.  Right?  That's why troops in Korea were drawn down, right?  Well, that appears to be off the chalkboard now - and thanks to a TIMELINED withdrawal no less.  

Once again, to all Bush Geeks, get out a crayon, make two columns, title the left side "What Retard Am Say" and the other side "What Retard Is Did" then fill it out with all your mindless rhetorical positions on the left side and see if there is a pattern you can detect.


OMFG!! LMAO!!!


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That Iraq withrawal agreement truly is astounding.  The guy commits idiocy and incompetence on such a grand scale, sometime it takes weeks to catch up with his latest fuckups.  For fuck's sake, the whole unplanned, amorphous, un-ending nation building plan cannot have been the real reason that we spent trillions of $$$$$$$ and made hundreds of thousands of American troops spend 5 years plus getting shot at by nitwits running around in turbans.  Nobody truly believes in Islamic nation building do they?  That would be retarded.  Nobody but a Bush Geek would applaud such a demented idea, and they only do it after the fact as an emotional response.  

Presumably, the present administration believed that the then present military facilities in the Gulf region were not enough to attack Iran if necessary, so we decided to fortify Iraq and stick around indefinitely.  Right?  That's why troops in Korea were drawn down, right?  Well, that appears to be off the chalkboard now - and thanks to a TIMELINED withdrawal no less.  

Once again, to all Bush Geeks, get out a crayon, make two columns, title the left side "What Retard Am Say" and the other side "What Retard Is Did" then fill it out with all your mindless rhetorical positions on the left side and see if there is a pattern you can detect.

will the real rim shady please stand up...
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sirmoonie wrote on Nov 23rd, 2008 at 4:17pm:
That Iraq withrawal agreement truly is astounding.  The guy commits idiocy and incompetence on such a grand scale, sometime it takes weeks to catch up with his latest fuckups.  For fuck's sake, the whole unplanned, amorphous, un-ending nation building plan cannot have been the real reason that we spent trillions of $$$$$$$ and made hundreds of thousands of American troops spend 5 years plus getting shot at by nitwits running around in turbans.  Nobody truly believes in Islamic nation building do they?  That would be retarded.  Nobody but a Bush Geek would applaud such a demented idea, and they only do it after the fact as an emotional response.  

Presumably, the present administration believed that the then present military facilities in the Gulf region were not enough to attack Iran if necessary, so we decided to fortify Iraq and stick around indefinitely.  Right?  That's why troops in Korea were drawn down, right?  Well, that appears to be off the chalkboard now - and thanks to a TIMELINED withdrawal no less.  

Once again, to all Bush Geeks, get out a crayon, make two columns, title the left side "What Retard Am Say" and the other side "What Retard Is Did" then fill it out with all your mindless rhetorical positions on the left side and see if there is a pattern you can detect.

will the real rim shady please stand up...

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What are you on?  You been taking disco biscuits?
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Look at that.  Disgraceful.  George Walker Bush III has reduced our astronauts to drinking their own piss.  Shades of The Wrong Stuff. 

I hope you're happy now Bush Geeks.  WTF, the Tang was objectionable?  God damn you.  God damn you all to hell.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081123/D94KUSRO0.html
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Pretty good read...

The Insider’s Crusade http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/opinion/21brooks.html?_r=1

By DAVID BROOKS
Jan. 20, 2009, will be a historic day. Barack Obama (Columbia, Harvard Law) will take the oath of office as his wife, Michelle (Princeton, Harvard Law), looks on proudly. Nearby, his foreign policy advisers will stand beaming, including perhaps Hillary Clinton (Wellesley, Yale Law), Jim Steinberg (Harvard, Yale Law) and Susan Rice (Stanford, Oxford D. Phil.).

This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or at least that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even more than past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by those who graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy attacks the United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next four years, we’re screwed.

Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into focus. Its members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover them, three times if you include the columnists. They typically served in the Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to the comforts of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman Sachs, Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them send their kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in D.C., that they’ll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool line.

And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated Achievatrons (not to mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by highly trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the Obama transition.

The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is testimony to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks approved by the favored interest groups. They’re thinking holistically — there’s a nice balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They’re also thinking strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health and Human Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill Clinton did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.

Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more precise, they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.

Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion that you need inexperienced “fresh faces” to change things. After all, it was L.B.J. who passed the Civil Rights Act. Moreover, because he is so young, Obama is not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend upon him for their well-being.

As a result, the team he has announced so far is more impressive than any other in recent memory. One may not agree with them on everything or even most things, but a few things are indisputably true.

First, these are open-minded individuals who are persuadable by evidence. Orszag, who will probably be budget director, is trusted by Republicans and Democrats for his honest presentation of the facts.

Second, they are admired professionals. Conservative legal experts have a high regard for the probable attorney general, Eric Holder, despite the business over the Marc Rich pardon.

Third, they are not excessively partisan. Obama signaled that he means to live up to his postpartisan rhetoric by letting Joe Lieberman keep his committee chairmanship.

Fourth, they are not ideological. The economic advisers, Furman and Goolsbee, are moderate and thoughtful Democrats. Hillary Clinton at State is problematic, mostly because nobody has a role for her husband. But, as she has demonstrated in the Senate, her foreign-policy views are hardheaded and pragmatic. (It would be great to see her set of interests complemented by Samantha Power’s set of interests at the U.N.)

Finally, there are many people on this team with practical creativity. Any think tanker can come up with broad doctrines, but it is rare to find people who can give the president a list of concrete steps he can do day by day to advance American interests. Dennis Ross, who advised Obama during the campaign, is the best I’ve ever seen at this, but Rahm Emanuel also has this capacity, as does Craig and legislative liaison Phil Schiliro.

Believe me, I’m trying not to join in the vast, heaving O-phoria now sweeping the coastal haute bourgeoisie. But the personnel decisions have been superb. The events of the past two weeks should be reassuring to anybody who feared that Obama would veer to the left or would suffer self-inflicted wounds because of his inexperience. He’s off to a start that nearly justifies the hype.



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Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

 
In the first two weeks since the election, President-elect Barack Obama has broken with a tradition established over the past eight years through his controversial use of complete sentences, political observers say.

Millions of Americans who watched Mr. Obama's appearance on CBS's 60 Minutes on Sunday witnessed the president-elect's unorthodox verbal tic, which had Mr. Obama employing grammatically correct sentences virtually every time he opened his mouth.

But Mr. Obama's decision to use complete sentences in his public pronouncements carries with it certain risks, since after the last eight years many Americans may find his odd speaking style jarring.

According to presidential historian Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota, some Americans might find it "alienating" to have a president who speaks English as if it were his first language.

"Every time Obama opens his mouth, his subjects and verbs are in agreement," says Mr. Logsdon. "If he keeps it up, he is running the risk of sounding like an elitist."

The historian said that if Mr. Obama insists on using complete sentences in his speeches, the public may find itself saying, "Okay, subject, predicate, subject predicate -- we get it, stop showing off."

The president-elect's stubborn insistence on using complete sentences has already attracted a rebuke from one of his harshest critics, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska.

"Talking with complete sentences there and also too talking in a way that ordinary Americans like Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder can't really do there, I think needing to do that isn't tapping into what Americans are needing also," she said.



funny stuff....
here's an excerpt from a peggy noonan column on obama's ability to speak coherently..



A Thinking Man’s Speech
Declarations
The Wall Street Journal: March 21, 2008

I thought Barack Obama’s speech was strong, thoughtful and important. Rather beautifully, it was a speech to think to, not clap to. It was clear that’s what he wanted, and this is rare.

It seemed to me as honest a speech as one in his position could give within the limits imposed by politics. As such it was a contribution. We’ll see if it was a success. The blowhard guild, proud member since 2000, praised it, and, in the biggest compliment, cable news shows came out of the speech not with jokes or jaded insiderism, but with thought. They started talking, pundits left and right, black and white, about what they’d experienced of race in America. It was kind of wonderful. I thought, Go, America, go, go.

You know what Mr. Obama said. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright was wrong. His sermons were “incendiary,” and they “denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation.” Mr. Obama admitted that if all he knew of Mr. Wright were what he saw on the “endless loop . . . of YouTube,” he wouldn’t like him either. But he’s known him 20 years as a man who taught him Christian faith, helped the poor, served as a Marine, and leads a community helping the homeless, needy and sick. “As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me.” He would not renounce their friendship.

Most significantly, Mr. Obama asserted that race in America has become a generational story. The original sin of slavery is a fact, but the progress we have lived through the past 50 years means each generation experiences race differently. Older blacks, like Mr. Wright, remember Jim Crow and were left misshapen by it. Some rose anyway, some did not; of the latter, a “legacy of defeat” went on to misshape another generation. The result: destructive anger that is at times “exploited by politicians” and that can keep African-Americans “from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition.” But “a similar anger exists within segments of the white community.” He speaks of working- and middle-class whites whose “experience is the immigrant experience,” who started with nothing. “As far as they’re concerned, no one handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch.” “So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town,” when they hear of someone receiving preferences they never received, and “when they’re told their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced,” they feel anger too.

This is all, simply, true. And we are not used to political figures being frank, in this way, in public. For this Mr. Obama deserves deep credit. It is also true the particular whites Obama chose to paint—ethnic, middle class—are precisely the voters he needs to draw in Pennsylvania. It was strategically clever. But as one who witnessed busing in Boston first hand, and whose memories of those days can still bring tears, I was glad for his admission that busing was experienced as an injustice by the white working class. Next step: admitting it was an injustice, period.



The primary rhetorical virtue of the speech can be found in two words, endemic and Faulkner. Endemic is the kind of word political consultants don’t let politicians use because 72% of Americans don’t understand it. This lowest-common-denominator thinking, based on dizzy polling, has long degraded American discourse. When Obama said Mr. Wright wrongly encouraged “a view that sees white racism as endemic,” everyone understood. Because they’re not, actually, stupid. As for Faulkner—well, this was an American politician quoting William Faulkner: “The past isn’t dead and buried. In fact, it isn’t even past.” This is a thought, an interesting one, which means most current politicians would never share it.

The speech assumed the audience was intelligent. This was a compliment, and I suspect was received as a gift. It also assumed many in the audience were educated. I was grateful for this, as the educated are not much addressed in American politics.

Here I point out an aspect of the speech that may have a beneficial impact on current rhetoric. It is assumed now that a candidate must say a silly, boring line—“And families in Michigan matter!” or “What I stand for is affordable quality health care!”—and the audience will clap. The line and the applause make, together, the eight-second soundbite that will be used tonight on the news, and seen by the people. This has been standard politico-journalistic procedure for 20 years.

Mr. Obama subverted this in his speech. He didn’t have applause lines. He didn’t give you eight seconds of a line followed by clapping. He spoke in full and longish paragraphs that didn’t summon applause. This left TV producers having to use longer-than-usual soundbites in order to capture his meaning. And so the cuts of the speech you heard on the news were more substantial and interesting than usual, which made the coverage of the speech better. People who didn’t hear it but only saw parts on the news got a real sense of what he’d said.

If Hillary or John McCain said something interesting, they’d get more than an eight-second cut too. But it works only if you don’t write an applause-line speech. It works only if you write a thinking speech.

They should try it.






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That's what she said... Yea! Huh! Uh, Uh, Uh!!!
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