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Question: What item is most likely found in the top drawer of Riffy's dresser?

naked pictures of Reagan    
  5 (20.0%)
Barry O voodoo doll    
  3 (12.0%)
Hoffa's body    
  2 (8.0%)
DVDs of "saved by the bell", season 3    
  1 (4.0%)
JC's boss's phone number    
  2 (8.0%)
bucket of chicken    
  5 (20.0%)
three sticks of "secret" deoderant, labels facing out    
  3 (12.0%)
"Eagles Greatest Hits" CD    
  4 (16.0%)




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Reply #1475 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:41pm
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BTW Thanks to all who refused the attempt to censor me. We rarely see that here & from a self-professed liberal yet! If I did offend anyone with my posts, I am sorry. The anger I feel right now is palpable. For the 1st time in my adult life, I'm ashamed of my country. I know the feeling will go away but it's what I feel now. I can't help it. Having a charlatan & idiot in office does that to a man. Even one called Cinderella.

Translator's note:  This individual lives in Opposite Land, where it's Opposite Day every day.  The election of one of the most brilliant and authentic individuals to ever obtain the presidency would be expressed as "Having a charlatan & idiot in office" in Opposite-Speak.  An occasion which even political rivals describe as a day in which all Americans can feel proud would be described like this:  "For the 1st time in my adult life, I'm ashamed of my country."  Similar semantic reversals should be applied to any statements from this and other Oppositists.


LMAO!!

Oppositists huh?

I can't say that word, BJ.  Must be my empty head Wink Grin
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Reply #1476 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:44pm
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My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...




Politics, shmolitics!  Pdog - I want to know how you can earn more money than Glencar by folding laundry and checking homework.  I want in on that.  I have experience in both fields and will be needing extra cash.  I'm old but reliable...
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Reply #1477 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:47pm
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Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
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No drama, I'm happy and that is all that matters... I called no one names, I betrayed no confidences and I have not made anything personal.

my household income is very high, I've lost over 20 lbs and my wife is gorgeous and after 10 yrs together still have great sex together... Even the name calling doesn't really hurt, it is just really annoying and uncalled for...

The funny thing is, that intelectualy speaking I won... Wanna know how... When I asked, would you say that to my face, I not only challnged the intelligence of decision making, I also put character on the table... and i won. Since we all know, no rational person can really go through the world calling people stupid or bitches ect... without someone eventually, knocking thier lights out or in a professional envoirment taking something to a boss or HR dept. Smart, intelligent rational people know this.
shit, I feel so good about myself. We are talking about a person, who has gone through this reguarly on this board with many people. A pattern is a pattern.
Three people are holding a grudge against me, one over pot smoking, another over the pre-election noise and now a third, I think because Obama won...
My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...
Spell check... hahahaha... Apalogy? OMG! Look at my typos too... I'm making red squiggles!



From one bad speller to another..

You are doing great, P!!

Life goes on. There are people who love ya and people who will throw stones.  Who gives a shit, if you are happy?!!!!
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Reply #1478 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:50pm
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Ginda wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
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My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...




Politics, shmolitics!  Pdog - I want to know how you can earn more money than Glencar by folding laundry and checking homework.  I want in on that.  I have experience in both fields and will be needing extra cash.  I'm old but reliable...

He has a very lovely wife who lets him do the meaningful things in life, while she goes out and earns the big bucks...
What did we do wrong, Ginda? 

I had to do it all...and still have no bucks!!
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Reply #1479 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:02pm
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BJ just out of curiosity where do stand on partial birth abortion? Because it has been my experience that most liberals have no problem at all with the death of a viable life provided that life is an unborn baby.

The way I see it is that if a criminal can be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to have commited cold blooded murder via DNA evidence, eyewitnesses, video evidence, confession, etc., then I see little reason to pay for them for the rest of their natural lives to the tune of over $200,000.00.

On the other hand you have a child that is 100% without a doubt innocent that can be legaly murdered via partial birth abortion for the flimsiest of reasons. The health of the mother excuse is a great example. Health of the mother means anything that the doctor and the mother decides it means with little bearing on life or death of the mother. Headache? Why not? Hang nail? Sure! Hey it's legal afterall, right?

Liberals would never opt to kill a person that killed a child. Legally or otherwise it seems.


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Reply #1480 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:05pm
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PartyDoll MEG wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:50pm:
Ginda wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
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My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...




Politics, shmolitics!  Pdog - I want to know how you can earn more money than Glencar by folding laundry and checking homework.  I want in on that.  I have experience in both fields and will be needing extra cash.  I'm old but reliable...

He has a very lovely wife who lets him do the meaningful things in life, while she goes out and earns the big bucks...
What did we do wrong, Ginda?  

I had to do it all...and still have no bucks!!


Me too, Meg!  I was like a hamster on a wheel.  Now I'm getting to do it all over again with my grandson, but enjoying every minute because I no longer need to go to work.  Maybe Mrs Pdog can hire us as extras in case he needs to call in sick.
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Reply #1481 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:19pm
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Ginda wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
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My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...




Politics, shmolitics!  Pdog - I want to know how you can earn more money than Glencar by folding laundry and checking homework.  I want in on that.  I have experience in both fields and will be needing extra cash.  I'm old but reliable...


Ginda it was luck, which means when oppurtunity meets prepared. I drove my old cab nights, took car of home nad kids during the day, and quit a good 9 to 5 to do that. My wife's carreer took off in a way we never imagined. We moved to a less expensive city recently, and Daddy don't drive a cab no more... that's the really lucky part. I have taken the chance to learn how to do alot of home improvements along with the laundry, drop off at school ect... We're fortunate, but we didn't try to get rich or be greedy, we just wanted to be happy and be good parents, and we are most of the time. It is hard being in this traditional female role. I never feel like i'm done, the house always needs cleaning, the kids always need something... I'll be damned if i didn't realize this was the man I was meant to be, and never expected this... Damn did I learn alot about what hardwork really is too... When i'm cooking dinner, the younger does his dirty in his diaper and my oldest is doing homework and needs help or someone gets hurt ect... zero to crazy in seconds!!!
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Reply #1482 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:22pm
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PartyDoll MEG wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:50pm:
Ginda wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
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My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...




Politics, shmolitics!  Pdog - I want to know how you can earn more money than Glencar by folding laundry and checking homework.  I want in on that.  I have experience in both fields and will be needing extra cash.  I'm old but reliable...

He has a very lovely wife who lets him do the meaningful things in life, while she goes out and earns the big bucks...
What did we do wrong, Ginda?  

I had to do it all...and still have no bucks!!



I do make a hell of a good breakfast on the weekends, fruit, juices, eggs and pancakes....  Wink
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Reply #1483 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:30pm
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Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:19pm:
Ginda wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
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My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...




Politics, shmolitics!  Pdog - I want to know how you can earn more money than Glencar by folding laundry and checking homework.  I want in on that.  I have experience in both fields and will be needing extra cash.  I'm old but reliable...


Ginda it was luck, which means when oppurtunity meets prepared. I drove my old cab nights, took car of home nad kids during the day, and quit a good 9 to 5 to do that. My wife's carreer took off in a way we never imagined. We moved to a less expensive city recently, and Daddy don't drive a cab no more... that's the really lucky part. I have taken the chance to learn how to do alot of home improvements along with the laundry, drop off at school ect... We're fortunate, but we didn't try to get rich or be greedy, we just wanted to be happy and be good parents, and we are most of the time. It is hard being in this traditional female role. I never feel like i'm done, the house always needs cleaning, the kids always need something... I'll be damned if i didn't realize this was the man I was meant to be, and never expected this... Damn did I learn alot about what hardwork really is too... When i'm cooking dinner, the younger does his dirty in his diaper and my oldest is doing homework and needs help or someone gets hurt ect... zero to crazy in seconds!!!


Good on you then!  Keep up with the home improvements.  Anything you don't have to hire done is money in your pocket.  Next you need to learn about plumbing and you'll be a one man band.
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Reply #1484 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:33pm
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abortion and the death penallty are two things I have always taken very serious.
I pray, and I trust and have faith that God guides us all, in these decisons... Niether are things I enjoy the reality of... not by a longshot. I respect the positions of those who feel different, and rely on my relationship with God.
I have alot of personal experience with one, and felt helpless, and no matter what I trusted that god would guide me...
I really don't care what someone else does with their body, or an unborn child... Just like I don't particulary care for people who think the death penalty is a form of retribution. Those aren't my morals, and I don't expect them to be someone elses. I also know, I can change my morals, and if God so lead me to a different belief, then I would trusy my god. I bow to no man, I make no apologies for my god.

I agree and take heavily into consideration what Bj said about guilt and innocence, and do not take it lightly. In fact, it is so close, I can see myself changing, just not right now.
Riffy... My wife was in a situation years back, where we had to make the decison. It was horrible! I had my role, but it was life threatening for her, and possibly even our unborn. It is easy to say, doctor or women just make it up, but when your partner is pregnant, and her death and the chance of a stillborn or horrbile event is a reality, hearing what you said... well, it takes away alot of how painful that time was for us. The good news is, our first son, never suffered through the decision and long painful time. and we later concieved another son... That is also the reality of the abortion and health debate!!! I shed alot of tears, and  I've never felt God didn't guide us every step of the way...
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Reply #1485 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:35pm
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Ginda wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
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My biggest problem, is folding laundry and checking homework... and I make more money than my lost friend Glenny and have an 8th grade education in NJ, which really means about a 6th grade education... oh man, God has a sense of humor...




Politics, shmolitics!  Pdog - I want to know how you can earn more money than Glencar by folding laundry and checking homework.  I want in on that.  I have experience in both fields and will be needing extra cash.  I'm old but reliable...


Ginda it was luck, which means when oppurtunity meets prepared. I drove my old cab nights, took car of home nad kids during the day, and quit a good 9 to 5 to do that. My wife's carreer took off in a way we never imagined. We moved to a less expensive city recently, and Daddy don't drive a cab no more... that's the really lucky part. I have taken the chance to learn how to do alot of home improvements along with the laundry, drop off at school ect... We're fortunate, but we didn't try to get rich or be greedy, we just wanted to be happy and be good parents, and we are most of the time. It is hard being in this traditional female role. I never feel like i'm done, the house always needs cleaning, the kids always need something... I'll be damned if i didn't realize this was the man I was meant to be, and never expected this... Damn did I learn alot about what hardwork really is too... When i'm cooking dinner, the younger does his dirty in his diaper and my oldest is doing homework and needs help or someone gets hurt ect... zero to crazy in seconds!!!


Good on you then!  Keep up with the home improvements.  Anything you don't have to hire done is money in your pocket.  Next you need to learn about plumbing and you'll be a one man band.


Except for snaking, I can do alot... PVC piping is easy. i did the sprinklers too! I told my wife tonite, everytime I save us money, I feel like I have an indidual income again, and then buy a new album!!!
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Reply #1486 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:56pm
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abortion and the death penallty are two things I have always taken very serious.
I pray, and I trust and have faith that God guides us all, in these decisons... Niether are things I enjoy the reality of... not by a longshot. I respect the positions of those who feel different, and rely on my relationship with God.
I have alot of personal experience with one, and felt helpless, and no matter what I trusted that god would guide me...
I really don't care what someone else does with their body, or an unborn child... Just like I don't particulary care for people who think the death penalty is a form of retribution. Those aren't my morals, and I don't expect them to be someone elses. I also know, I can change my morals, and if God so lead me to a different belief, then I would trusy my god. I bow to no man, I make no apologies for my god.

I agree and take heavily into consideration what Bj said about guilt and innocence, and do not take it lightly. In fact, it is so close, I can see myself changing, just not right now.
Riffy... My wife was in a situation years back, where we had to make the decison. It was horrible! I had my role, but it was life threatening for her, and possibly even our unborn. It is easy to say, doctor or women just make it up, but when your partner is pregnant, and her death and the chance of a stillborn or horrbile event is a reality, hearing what you said... well, it takes away alot of how painful that time was for us. The good news is, our first son, never suffered through the decision and long painful time. and we later concieved another son... That is also the reality of the abortion and health debate!!! I shed alot of tears, and  I've never felt God didn't guide us every step of the way...



Life and death of the mother is one thing. As is rape or incest. However, it's the health of the mother argument that holds zero water as far as I am concerned. We're talking about "partial birth abortion" here. To kill an "inconvience" is nothing but murder. To carry a child into the second, or even late in the third, trimester and then induce labor so the doctor can penetrate the skull thus killing a living human is way, way, way, way more barbaric than killing some scumbag that rapes and murders a little girl for example.


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Your unAmerican ilk has been repudiated.  The 13th Amendment rejected the argument rifftard now seeks to renew......
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Reply #1488 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:13pm
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Your unAmerican ilk has been repudiated.  The 13th Amendment rejected the argument rifftard now seeks to renew......



So you're cool with partial birth abortion in any and all circumstances I guess. Well good for you. That puts you in minority. Most people can see the idiocy of that position so it comes as no shock to me that you hold it.


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abortion!

shit, we've never had an abortion discussion here. this should be interesting.....

pdog, i thought you were an athiest! just what does your wife do for a living, anyway? now you got me curious.
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oh yes...and riffy...blue?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc&eurl=http://www.canberratimes.com.au/...

she didn't know africa was a continent? the US was in NAFTA?

no, wait....she'll get back to us!
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abortion!

shit, we've never had an abortion discussion here. this should be interesting.....

pdog, i thought you were an athiest! just what does your wife do for a living, anyway? now you got me curious.



LOL! On no no Bucky. I'm not trying to go down the road of the abortion debate really. I just was curious about BJ's attitude towards partial birth abortion since he seems to be so anti death penelty. I, for the life of me, can not understand how anyone can hold the view that capital punishment is barbaric, but that partial birth abortion is a "right". I have never once had anyone convince me that that argument makes a damned bit of sense. Probably because it dosen't.


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Reply #1492 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:42pm
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put words in your own stupid-hick-ass mouth rifftard and quit creating positions with which you wish you could argue (if you had the education--which you don't)---you and your ilk are just dangerous fringe scum thugs who should be even more marginalized than your unAmerican, rifftarded views place you...re-education camp for you!
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[quote author=Starbuck link=1223104028/1475#1489 date=1226028161]abortion!

I, for the life of me, can not understand how anyone can hold the view that capital punishment is barbaric, but that partial birth abortion is a "right".


read the thirteenth amendment dumbass...of course, you and your ilk resisted that one as long as possible......
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there's a tradition based on the simple idea that we have a stake in one another and that what binds us together is greater than what drives us apart and that if enough people believe in the truth of this proposition and act on it, then we might not solve every problem but we can get something meaningful done.



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Reply #1495 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:48pm
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put words in your own stupid-hick-ass mouth rifftard and quit creating positions with which you wish you could argue (if you had the education--which you don't)---you and your ilk are just dangerous fringe scum thugs who should be even more marginalized than your unAmerican, rifftarded views place you...re-education camp for you!


Go fuck yourself asshat! You can't argue the position so you just resort to some idiotic rant against me. I have a fine education dickhead, and, had I chosen to I could easily gone the law school route. Had I made that choice I would gladdly and routinley wiped the floor of any courtroom with you ya dumbfuck.


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Reply #1496 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:07pm
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Riffhard wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:56pm:
Pdog wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:33pm:
abortion and the death penallty are two things I have always taken very serious.
I pray, and I trust and have faith that God guides us all, in these decisons... Niether are things I enjoy the reality of... not by a longshot. I respect the positions of those who feel different, and rely on my relationship with God.
I have alot of personal experience with one, and felt helpless, and no matter what I trusted that god would guide me...
I really don't care what someone else does with their body, or an unborn child... Just like I don't particulary care for people who think the death penalty is a form of retribution. Those aren't my morals, and I don't expect them to be someone elses. I also know, I can change my morals, and if God so lead me to a different belief, then I would trusy my god. I bow to no man, I make no apologies for my god.

I agree and take heavily into consideration what Bj said about guilt and innocence, and do not take it lightly. In fact, it is so close, I can see myself changing, just not right now.
Riffy... My wife was in a situation years back, where we had to make the decison. It was horrible! I had my role, but it was life threatening for her, and possibly even our unborn. It is easy to say, doctor or women just make it up, but when your partner is pregnant, and her death and the chance of a stillborn or horrbile event is a reality, hearing what you said... well, it takes away alot of how painful that time was for us. The good news is, our first son, never suffered through the decision and long painful time. and we later concieved another son... That is also the reality of the abortion and health debate!!! I shed alot of tears, and  I've never felt God didn't guide us every step of the way...



Life and death of the mother is one thing. As is rape or incest. However, it's the health of the mother argument that holds zero water as far as I am concerned. We're talking about "partial birth abortion" here. To kill an "inconvience" is nothing but murder. To carry a child into the second, or even late in the third, trimester and then induce labor so the doctor can penetrate the skull thus killing a living human is way, way, way, way more barbaric than killing some scumbag that rapes and murders a little girl for example.


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I don't think you have a debate from me, from what limited stuff I know... we didn't go late. All the tsts were bad news, and it was twins. I was crushed, i remember balling, in tears asking for more tests to be sure and my wife being so scared, and realizing, sometimes God just gets us through hard times, doesn't make them happen. I don't get as sad... We were in the first trimester still... I don't think any later would've helped, I was losing it hard... I remember snapping here, I think I had a fight with Riffy. It was the first time I learned god is everything or god is nothing... God is a crackhead shitting on your sidewalk, god is the light breeze in the air on a cill morning with sun on your face... All or nothing!
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Reply #1497 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:09pm
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Starbuck wrote on Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:22pm:
abortion!

shit, we've never had an abortion discussion here. this should be interesting.....

pdog, i thought you were an athiest! just what does your wife do for a living, anyway? now you got me curious.


don't trust your thoughts, just ask. I love talking bout god... i even love listening to non dogmatic religous experiences...

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Reply #1498 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:20pm
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Pdog I'm not really looking for a debate here with anyone. I was just curious as to where BJ stood on this issue. Then Jizzy, as Jizzy is want to do, jumps in and starts talking shit about the 13th Amendment. Which is funny because it is my understanding that the 13th Amendment hasn't got shit to do with partial birth abortion, or capital punishment as far as I'm concerned. I'm not overtly anti abortion myself. Partial birth abortion is a different story altogether though.


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Reply #1499 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:30pm
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are you pro-palin? riffy? moonie? i mean, my god...fox news is reporting that she doesn't know africa is a continent....i mean, my lord!
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