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Pdog
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Re: Obama elected President
Reply #1496 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 10:07pm
Riffhard wrote on Nov 6 th, 2008 at 8:56pm: Pdog wrote on Nov 6 th, 2008 at 8:33pm: abortion and the death penallty are two things I have always taken very serious. I pray, and I trust and have faith that God guides us all, in these decisons... Niether are things I enjoy the reality of... not by a longshot. I respect the positions of those who feel different, and rely on my relationship with God. I have alot of personal experience with one, and felt helpless, and no matter what I trusted that god would guide me... I really don't care what someone else does with their body, or an unborn child... Just like I don't particulary care for people who think the death penalty is a form of retribution. Those aren't my morals, and I don't expect them to be someone elses. I also know, I can change my morals, and if God so lead me to a different belief, then I would trusy my god. I bow to no man, I make no apologies for my god.
I agree and take heavily into consideration what Bj said about guilt and innocence, and do not take it lightly. In fact, it is so close, I can see myself changing, just not right now. Riffy... My wife was in a situation years back, where we had to make the decison. It was horrible! I had my role, but it was life threatening for her, and possibly even our unborn. It is easy to say, doctor or women just make it up, but when your partner is pregnant, and her death and the chance of a stillborn or horrbile event is a reality, hearing what you said... well, it takes away alot of how painful that time was for us. The good news is, our first son, never suffered through the decision and long painful time. and we later concieved another son... That is also the reality of the abortion and health debate!!! I shed alot of tears, and I've never felt God didn't guide us every step of the way... Life and death of the mother is one thing. As is rape or incest. However, it's the health of the mother argument that holds zero water as far as I am concerned. We're talking about "partial birth abortion" here. To kill an "inconvience" is nothing but murder. To carry a child into the second, or even late in the third, trimester and then induce labor so the doctor can penetrate the skull thus killing a living human is way, way, way, way more barbaric than killing some scumbag that rapes and murders a little girl for example. Riffy I don't think you have a debate from me, from what limited stuff I know... we didn't go late. All the tsts were bad news, and it was twins. I was crushed, i remember balling, in tears asking for more tests to be sure and my wife being so scared, and realizing, sometimes God just gets us through hard times, doesn't make them happen. I don't get as sad... We were in the first trimester still... I don't think any later would've helped, I was losing it hard... I remember snapping here, I think I had a fight with Riffy. It was the first time I learned god is everything or god is nothing... God is a crackhead shitting on your sidewalk, god is the light breeze in the air on a cill morning with sun on your face... All or nothing!
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