Riffhard wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 6:05am:

Riffmuff, I quite clearly didn't dismiss it in the manner you are suggesting, and there was no pomposoidinalness.  I said I have no idea what he was talking about from a 20 second clip.  And mental midget that I am, I still don't know what he's talking about.  I assume, that he was throwing around some campaign promise/rhetoric about bolstering the National Guard, or the NSA, or the FBI, or airport/harbor security, etc.  As you know, the 9/11 Report made several recommendations regarding domestic security, and very few have been followed.  So, its an easy campaign issue to hit.  That's just my common sense guess, but I'll check anything you can provide on what he meant.  Is there a full video?  He talks a lot, has he written/commented on this before?  If you have that stuff, I'd be interested.

And yes, I do want to play the Bush Geek game until the election is over.  In fact, I've been (unsuccesfully) reaching out to people like you for help in compiling my Bush Geek humiliation list.  And hell NO, we won't be discussing it over rice paddies working shoulder to shoulder to lift this once great nation.  The Moonbat doesn't toil in the soil for the black man.

Unless the polls are way off McCain is facing a tough but not impossible go of it now. Assuming he can sweep the key states in play or still within margin of error ( OH/PA/FL) (big if) and split the other close smaller states I keep coming up with a ceiling of 260 Electoral College votes.Or 10 short.I think if we see opening numbers strong in PA for Obama (across all demographics) then its over.Seems like Florida's new governor has made some strides in getting voting processes under control and his key guy responsible has a lot of voting experience.So hopefull we'll get accurate and fair numbers from there.McCain needs every break but heck its happened before.

Nellcote wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 9:53am:

I hear ya.  For a guy who alleges that he is married with kids, he sure has a lot of half-relatives.  Doesn't look like he'll be bombing African terrorists any time soon either.  But you'll never see that reported in the goddam liberal media!

Looks like one group in Ohio is not completely enamored with the Messiah.....

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Ohio Coal Association Says Obama Remarks Make It Clear: Obama Ticket Not Supportive of Coal 

Nov 3 11:42 AM US/Eastern
   
 
    COLUMBUS, Ohio, Nov. 3 /PRNewswire--USNewswire/ -- Mike Carey, president
of the Ohio Coal Association (OCA), today issued the following statement in
response to just-released remarks from Senator Barack Obama about the nation's
coal industry. 
 
 
    "Regardless of the timing or method of the release of these remarks, the
message from the Democratic candidate for President could not be clearer: the
Obama-Biden ticket spells disaster for America's coal industry and the tens of
thousands of Americans who work in it.
 
 
    "These undisputed, audio-taped remarks, which include comments from
Senator Obama like 'I haven't been some coal booster' and 'if they want to
build [coal plants], they can, but it will bankrupt them' are extraordinarily
misguided.
 
 
    "It's evident that this campaign has been pandering in states like Ohio,
Virginia, West Virginia, Indiana and Pennsylvania to attempt to generate votes
from coal supporters, while keeping his true agenda hidden from the state's
voters.
 
 
    "Senator Obama has revealed himself to be nothing more than a short-
sighted, inexperienced politician willing to say anything to get a vote.  But
today, the nation's coal industry and those who support it have a better
understanding of his true mission, to 'bankrupt' our industry, put tens of
thousands out of work and cause unprecedented increases in electricity prices.
 
 
    "In addition to providing an affordable, reliable source of low-cost
electricity, domestic coal holds the key to our nation's long-term energy
security - a goal that cannot be overlooked during this time of international
instability and economic uncertainty.
 
 
    "Few policy areas are more important to our economic future than energy
issues.  As voters head to the polls tomorrow, it is essential they remember
that access to reliable, affordable, domestic energy supplies is essential to
economic growth and stability."
 
 
    The Ohio Coal Association (OCA) is a non-profit trade association
representing the interests of Ohio's underground and surface coal mining
producers.  The OCA represents nearly 40 coal producing companies and more
than 50 Associate Members, which include suppliers and consultants to the
mining industry, coal sales agents and brokers and allied industries.  The
Ohio Coal Association is committed to advancing the development and
utilization of Ohio coal as an abundant, economic and environmentally sound
energy source.
   
 
SOURCE  Ohio Coal Association

http://guanabee.com/2008/11/obama-dresses-up-for-halloween.php

yup...but quitting smoking is tough, I sure wish my mom could have before it got too late....

The Most Accurate Election Forecast? Hardcore Gamblers

Keith Thomas
Huffington Post
Nov 2, 2008

I was in Kentucky, reporting on horseracing for Garden & Gun. A "whale" (bettor of thousands of dollars per day) I interviewed, Mike Maloney, successfully traded securities, options and futures, but chose to go to the track every day instead because it offered him a greater challenge. "There are many, many, many more factors to consider in betting horseraces," he said.

Maloney is a youthful fifty-two, with alert, light blue eyes and a cheerful demeanor. He doesn't chomp on a cigar. He's in no way a Damon Runyon character. I have reason to believe he's a sort of mathematical genius.

I asked him: "Do you think handicappers can forecast the outcome of the presidential election better than polls?"

He didn't hesitate. "Polls can be inaccurate. People may say what is politically correct, the questions may be leading, the pollsters may be biased. A pollster can still bill for an inaccurate poll. Bookmakers must make an accurate line or they lose -- period."

For a second opinion I went to Ray Paulick, who was a protégé of notorious oddsmaker "Jimmy The Greek" before becoming a handicapper for the Daily Racing Form. Now he's editor of the thoroughbred industry insiders' must-read Paulick Report. "Gamblers have more experience with cheaters," he said. "They take voter fraud into their metrics. Polls don't. Nor do polls take into account how each state's secretary of state factors in, or systems within a state designed to eliminate voters; Jimmy the Greek called these 'the intangibles.'"

The multi-billion dollar online gaming industry offers evidence that Maloney and Paulick are, as usual, on the money.

Michael Robb, political expert for the British bookmaking site Betfair.com, lets the record speak for itself: Halfway through Election Day in 2004, when a CNN poll showed Kerry taking the lead, Betfair had Bush with a 91% chance to win.

Of course that's just one election. Probably hundreds of fifth-grade social studies students correctly predicted Bush's margin of victory to a decimal place, right?

Betfair also had all 50 states right in 2004.

As did rival site Intrade.

Koleman Strumpf, a University of Kansas economics professor who tracks betting trends, believes wagering is an incomparable barometer of an election. Among the reasons he gave me:

Relative to the polls, the betting markets have to think hard about what they're saying since they are putting their money at stake. Also polls tend to reflect what people are thinking at a given moment, versus a forecast of what will happen on election day -- post-convention bounces, for instance.
With University of Arizona economist Paul Rhode, Strumpf authored a study -- "Historical Presidential Betting Markets," published in Journal of Economic Perspectives -- that demonstrates that the betting market's forecasting superiority is nothing new.

They begin with America's long history of wagering on political outcomes, which boomed in the 1880s when betting moved from poolrooms to the Curb Exchange, the predecessor to the American Stock Exchange. Betting on political outcomes often drew huge crowds to Wall Street and exceeded trading in stocks and bonds.

"In presidential races such as 1896, 1900, 1904, 1916, and 1924, the New York Times, Sun, and World provided nearly daily [betting] quotes from early October until Election Day," write Rhode and Strumpf.

The papers' sources were betting firms, which had men present at speeches made by the candidates in order to make "unbiased reports of the psychological reactions of the audiences."

In the fifteen elections between 1884 and 1940, the betting firms were wrong just once, in 1916, when Wilson upset Hughes. And the gamblers might have had a perfect record had the Curb Market stayed open long enough to take into account late-breaking news from the West.

The advent of polls marked the end of an era. "Prior to Gallup's introduction in 1936, newspapers had little else to report about the election horserace other than the betting markets," Strumpf said. "When scientific polls came along, newspapers had something to report other than markets they were oftentimes uncomfortable with."

Responding to such discomfort, state laws increasingly limited organized election betting. Betting persisted, but in the shadows. Accordingly little data exists from 1940 through 1984, though it's enough that Strumpf concludes gamblers were more accurate than the pollsters in that period too.

The advent of internet wagering offers a clearer picture: "Since 1988, the betting markets have definitely been more accurate," Strumpf said.

It's still illegal for United States citizens to wager on the presidential election; Betfair and Intrade try to bar American bettors. Several newer off-shore sites are more lenient, however.

Currently, Betfair lists Barack Obama as an overwhelming 1-7 favorite (paying $8 for a $7 winning bet). A John McCain win would pay $6.80 for every dollar bet.

"On Election Night I'll look at the movement on the betting sites to see what's going on," Strumpf says. "I watch CNN too, out of the corner of an eye, but it's not necessary."

" Anyone who claims they make money consistently betting horses is more full of shit than the horse. "


You raise a very interesting point my Stonesian Brother ....


I too have always felt a sensate , albeit vital and coherent ...... WAIT !!!!!!



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Some Guy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 1:45pm:


My hunch is he orders burger fries and a diet coke round 10:45..........

BETFAIR POLITICS ZONE
http://politics.betfair.com/

Well if he does have to make that speech considering he'll be in Arizona I doubt he'd even make any comments prior to midnight back east.Still lots of precincts will be counting and although Obama may have a sizable lead he'll wait till the fat lady sings (Cankles?).

Some Guy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 1:45pm:


Hey it ain't over till the hot lady swings. . .
back to Alaska!

McCain Concession Speech 
Singles Only. Applies to US Eastern Time. Applies to exact time John McCain makes his concession speech

Before 10pm Tuesday 4th November  5 - 1 

10pm to 11pm Tuesday 4th November  7 - 4 

11pm to 12pm Tuesday 4th November  11 - 8 

Wednesday 5th November  3 - 1 

Later than Wednesday 5th November  12 - 1 

No concession speech  6 - 1