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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #75 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 10:53am

Tell you what, Ian, let's compare grosses of Shine a Light with this:

http://www.mammamiamovie.com/

when it gets released next week and then we'll discuss the relative impact of the Rolling Stones and ABBA on the "average" American, UK, or other World-Type citizen over the last 30 years.

Not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing, just a true thing.

I think you are talking about a perceived cultural relevance as opposed to a general sense of popularity, when it comes to the Stones vs. whomever. But when it comes to popular music popularity is ultimately the yardstick against which relevance is truly measured. Without an ABBA or a BEE GEES or a BEATLES (or a Queen) for fans to align themselves against, an allegedly down and dirty "real" rock'n'roll band like the Rolling Stones would have a lot of trouble because what would they stand in opposition to?

As fans, we should want them to be even LESS in the mainstream than they are. You say ABBA aren't to be taken seriously, but do you really think that, culturally, the last 20 years of the Stones' career can be taken seriously as anything other than a "mass entertainment phenomenon"?

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #76 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 3:10pm

Nasty Habits Wrote:

"You say ABBA aren't to be taken seriously, but do you really think that, culturally, the last 20 years of the Stones' career can be taken seriously as anything other than a "mass entertainment phenomenon"?

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No. Not really at all. Abba are not to be taken too seriously. They never were in the USA. I can't speak for the rest of the people in the world. And not to imply that only the USA matters because it doesn't. I don't want to come off like that. Girls and Moms liked Abba moreover and they were seen as a bit you know, sappy or cheezy. They have some good pop tunes. A few classic pop tunes by now. But no, they were just "Abba" here, kinda like Kelly Clarkson is now or something but not quite that cheezy. And yes, Kelly Clarkson had a good album a few records ago. But she isn't taken seriously much. God forbid, neither were the Bee-Gees. The Bee-Gees were huge, but you know, we all knew it would never last. Queen was taken seriously, and still is, ... sure. How'd we even get this far into this (probably a lot that is my fault). We should focus on Producers and The Stones.

LOL Mama Mia? For what??? LOL watch the clip on that site and tell me you take it seriously...? Sure it may sell well, some are going to know that it is coming out on DVD. Guess what, I have not heard anyone talking about it. Who knows, it will probably sell well enough. but as far as pop culture it is kinda silly.

That clip on the site takes the cake. I am supposed to take it seriously. No dis-respect Nasty Habits. I do really admire your acknowledgment of what is a hit and what is not or what will be. That is a good trait in knowing what is going on in the music/entertainment industry as a whole.

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #79 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 4:47pm

Some Guy wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 3:12pm:

can someone give me the gist of this thread.

Things we have learned:

1. If Rick Ruben tried to produce the Stones with his strongarm tactics, Keith would beat him up and Mick would cry like a baby, then they would take their ball and say "Screw You Guys, We're Going Home".

2. Rick Rubin is a songwriter's producer, and so the Stones don't need to scratch his ninch, neither his ninche.

3. Don Was on the other hand, is of the best production in the world, and the Stones are better suited by him.

4. Posters need to figure out how to use the quote function. Or YaBB needs to recode the whole thing in Billenese.

5. The concept of a second degree comment transubstantiates into the notion that the Rolling Stones WERE second degree. Ian, however, asserts that the Stones, in fact, were killer in the first degree. Only the Beatles can beat them. And maybe Guns and Roses.

9. Led Zep, ABBA, and Pink Floyd, it has been argued, have bigger degrees than the Rolling Stones, even though the Stones have more education. (Pink Floyd, it should be noted, don't need no education.)

10. There are tons of un-educated people who know who the Stones are and have select sense that truly counts.

11. The United States is not the world (someone tell Riffy!). The UK is not the world. But even if Ian cannot speak for the rest of the people in the world, he can apparently speak for the rest of the people in the USA.

12. Riffy fingered prepubescent girls in the snack bars of roller rinks to Dancing Queen and consequently has to run to the restroom whenever he hears that song on the radio. This, apparently, does not meet Ian's standards of cultural penetration.

13. Either the score is 0 for 2 or the count is 0-2 . . .

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #81 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 5:01pm

Nasty Habits wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 4:47pm:

Some Guy wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 3:12pm:

can someone give me the gist of this thread.

Things we have learned:

1. If Rick Ruben tried to produce the Stones with his strongarm tactics, Keith would beat him up and Mick would cry like a baby, then they would take their ball and say "Screw You Guys, We're Going Home".

2. Rick Rubin is a songwriter's producer, and so the Stones don't need to scratch his ninch, neither his ninche.

3. Don Was on the other hand, is of the best production in the world, and the Stones are better suited by him.

4. Posters need to figure out how to use the quote function. Or YaBB needs to recode the whole thing in Billenese.

5. The concept of a second degree comment transubstantiates into the notion that the Rolling Stones WERE second degree. Ian, however, asserts that the Stones, in fact, were killer in the first degree. Only the Beatles can beat them. And maybe Guns and Roses.

9. Led Zep, ABBA, and Pink Floyd, it has been argued, have bigger degrees than the Rolling Stones, even though the Stones have more education. (Pink Floyd, it should be noted, don't need no education.)

10. There are tons of un-educated people who know who the Stones are and have select sense that truly counts.

11. The United States is not the world (someone tell Riffy!). The UK is not the world. But Ian cannot speak for the rest of the people in the world, but he can apparently speak for the rest of the people in the USA.

12. Riffy fingered prepubescent girls in the snack bars of roller rinks to Dancing Queen and consequently has to run to the restroom whenever he hears that song on the radio. This, apparently, does not meet Ian's standards of cultural penetration.

13. Either the score is 0 for 2 or the count is 0-2 . . .

got it, thanks!

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #83 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 5:44pm

Nasty Habits wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 4:47pm:

Some Guy wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 3:12pm:

can someone give me the gist of this thread.

Things we have learned:

1. If Rick Ruben tried to produce the Stones with his strongarm tactics, Keith would beat him up and Mick would cry like a baby, then they would take their ball and say "Screw You Guys, We're Going Home".

2. Rick Rubin is a songwriter's producer, and so the Stones don't need to scratch his ninch, neither his ninche.

3. Don Was on the other hand, is of the best production in the world, and the Stones are better suited by him.

4. Posters need to figure out how to use the quote function. Or YaBB needs to recode the whole thing in Billenese.

5. The concept of a second degree comment transubstantiates into the notion that the Rolling Stones WERE second degree. Ian, however, asserts that the Stones, in fact, were killer in the first degree. Only the Beatles can beat them. And maybe Guns and Roses.

9. Led Zep, ABBA, and Pink Floyd, it has been argued, have bigger degrees than the Rolling Stones, even though the Stones have more education. (Pink Floyd, it should be noted, don't need no education.)

10. There are tons of un-educated people who know who the Stones are and have select sense that truly counts.

11. The United States is not the world (someone tell Riffy!). The UK is not the world. But even if Ian cannot speak for the rest of the people in the world, he can apparently speak for the rest of the people in the USA.

12. Riffy fingered prepubescent girls in the snack bars of roller rinks to Dancing Queen and consequently has to run to the restroom whenever he hears that song on the radio. This, apparently, does not meet Ian's standards of cultural penetration.

13. Either the score is 0 for 2 or the count is 0-2 . . .

Rim.........

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #85 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 6:34pm

Nasty Habits wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 4:47pm:

Some Guy wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 3:12pm:

can someone give me the gist of this thread.

Things we have learned:

1. If Rick Ruben tried to produce the Stones with his strongarm tactics, Keith would beat him up and Mick would cry like a baby, then they would take their ball and say "Screw You Guys, We're Going Home".

2. Rick Rubin is a songwriter's producer, and so the Stones don't need to scratch his ninch, neither his ninche.

3. Don Was on the other hand, is of the best production in the world, and the Stones are better suited by him.

4. Posters need to figure out how to use the quote function. Or YaBB needs to recode the whole thing in Billenese.

5. The concept of a second degree comment transubstantiates into the notion that the Rolling Stones WERE second degree. Ian, however, asserts that the Stones, in fact, were killer in the first degree. Only the Beatles can beat them. And maybe Guns and Roses.

9. Led Zep, ABBA, and Pink Floyd, it has been argued, have bigger degrees than the Rolling Stones, even though the Stones have more education. (Pink Floyd, it should be noted, don't need no education.)

10. There are tons of un-educated people who know who the Stones are and have select sense that truly counts.

11. The United States is not the world (someone tell Riffy!). The UK is not the world. But even if Ian cannot speak for the rest of the people in the world, he can apparently speak for the rest of the people in the USA.

12. Riffy fingered prepubescent girls in the snack bars of roller rinks to Dancing Queen and consequently has to run to the restroom whenever he hears that song on the radio. This, apparently, does not meet Ian's standards of cultural penetration.

13. Either the score is 0 for 2 or the count is 0-2 . . .

ROTFLMAO!!!

Well done!

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #86 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 8:59pm

NastyHabits, LOL

That was great. You should write or be a literary critic or at least some sort of critic for a living.

Since there was comment about me in your re-cap and CERTAINLY not to be self-patronizing I can say this... I either "make" a thread ...or "kill" a thread. Sometimes both at the same time. Such as the case with this one. I'm simply not normal and it shows. My the people on this board are of such quality. I feel left out.

Nasty, I wish I had your musical insite. Gazza, I wish I had your musical knowledge and Glencar, I wish I had your cock. Interpet that last one as you want. \

(Alright, that last comment is an extreme joke and nothing more. Don't get nervous Glencar. I am "straight" as a board and always have been).

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #87 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 9:09pm

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 8:59pm:

Riffy, LOL

That was great. You should write or be a literary critic or at least some sort of critic for a living.

Since there was comment about me in your re-cap and CERTAINLY not to be self-patronizing I can say this... I either "make" a thread ...or "kill" a thread. Sometimes both at the same time. Such as the case with this one. I'm simply not normal and it shows. My the people on this board are of such quality. I feel left out.

Riffy, I wish I had your musical insite. Gazza, I wish I had your musical knowledge and Glencar, I wish I had your cock. Interpet that last one as you want. \

(Alright, that last comment is an extreme joke and nothing more. Don't get nervous Glencar. I am "straight" as a board and always have been).

Ian

Well Ian I can not take credit for that brilliant play by play run down of the thread. No, that would be Nasty Habit's work, and I'd say he pretty much nailed it. However, I never got any prepubesent snatch in the snack bar of the roller rink. It was in the back corner of the shoe racks that I got busy.

See Ian, that's how the quote function works. I was quoting Nasty's post, and now I have quoted your post as well.

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Re: What if Rick Rubin will meet the Stones?!
Reply #88 - Jul 11^th, 2008 at 9:48pm

Riffhard wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 9:09pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 8:59pm:

Riffy, LOL

That was great. You should write or be a literary critic or at least some sort of critic for a living.

Since there was comment about me in your re-cap and CERTAINLY not to be self-patronizing I can say this... I either "make" a thread ...or "kill" a thread. Sometimes both at the same time. Such as the case with this one. I'm simply not normal and it shows. My the people on this board are of such quality. I feel left out.

Riffy, I wish I had your musical insite. Gazza, I wish I had your musical knowledge and Glencar, I wish I had your cock. Interpet that last one as you want. \

(Alright, that last comment is an extreme joke and nothing more. Don't get nervous Glencar. I am "straight" as a board and always have been).

Ian

Well Ian I can not take credit for that brilliant play by play run down of the thread. No, that would be Nasty Habit's work, and I'd say he pretty much nailed it. However, I never got any prepubesent snatch in the snack bar of the roller rink. It was in the back corner of the shoe racks that I got busy.

See Ian, that's how the quote function works. I was quoting Nasty's post, and now I have quoted your post as well.

Riffy

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Sorry Riffy,

I corrected it. I thought Nasty and posted Riffy by accident.

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