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Reply #25 - Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:19pm
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mojoman wrote on Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:29pm:
mick still was wondering why bill brought more soul to the band than the black guy that replaced him


You nailed it on the hread bro, or to put it differentely how come Bill and his total lack of musical education was able to come up with such great bass playing and that whatshisname, oh yeah The Munch, rarely comes out of the background "mush".

Anyone who doesn't agree should watch Let's Spend the Night Together and see how Bill essentially holds everything together, arguably Keith was still a great guitar player at the time too. Now they need 5+ guys to do the same thing, sad, sad, sad !


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Reply #26 - Jun 27th, 2008 at 6:23pm
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gotdablouse wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:19pm:
mojoman wrote on Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:29pm:
mick still was wondering why bill brought more soul to the band than the black guy that replaced him


You nailed it on the hread bro, or to put it differentely how come Bill and his total lack of musical education was able to come up with such great bass playing and that whatshisname, oh yeah The Munch, rarely comes out of the background "mush".

Anyone who doesn't agree should watch Let's Spend the Night Together and see how Bill essentially holds everything together, arguably Keith was still a great guitar player at the time too. Now they need 5+ guys to do the same thing, sad, sad, sad !
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Bill indeed had soul (though he did not look or act like it but the proof is in the pudding), and to boot was a credible songwriter. As was once said before, I think he had more influence on the writing process and the Stones songs coming together than some may give credit for on many albums and tracks.


Now as for Daryl Jones,

Daryl is a very good bassist with a good, thick sound. That is exactly what Daryl Jones is....

A good bassist that can play along with The Stones quite well now, and he has a nice thick, rich, fat sound.

Bills bass sound was more .....hmmmm can we say "bompy" and "in place" in the mix where as Daryl's sound is a rich, thick wall covering the entire back ground behind the rest of the band.

That is the best way I can decscibe the two's sound. Actually, in terms of a modern style...Daryl may be better suited for The Rolling Stones today as far as a more "updated" Rolling Stones sound goes.

Compare She's so Cold vs. Love Is Strong. Each is typical of their individual style and sound and truthfully each is quite good, yet they are totally different in those two typical tracks from each. Neither is "better" per say, just different and each suites the time and direction of the band accordingly.

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Reply #27 - Jun 27th, 2008 at 6:30pm
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Took me a while to figure out you had replied to my message and not missposted, is something wrong with my browser or is it your quotes ?

Anyway, yes that's pretty accurate, I'd push the comparison a bit further by saying that Darryl fills up the space, and to me annoyingly with that nondescript "fat" sound, while Bill is a melodic player with his "little hands that could" (to paraphrase someone here, MaxJugglar ?). I always thought that Keith and Ron were overrated as bass players, except maybe on Fingerpint File, although that might have been MicK Taylor playing, can't remember now.
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Reply #28 - Jun 27th, 2008 at 8:56pm
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gotdablouse wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 6:30pm:
Took me a while to figure out you had replied to my message and not missposted, is something wrong with my browser or is it your quotes ?

Anyway, yes that's pretty accurate, I'd push the comparison a bit further by saying that Darryl fills up the space, and to me annoyingly with that nondescript "fat" sound, while Bill is a melodic player with his "little hands that could" (to paraphrase someone here, MaxJugglar ?). I always thought that Keith and Ron were overrated as bass players, except maybe on Fingerpint File, although that might have been MicK Taylor playing, can't remember now.


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I don't know what it is but by replying with the quote button sometimes produces that result for me.

Maybe it is the YaBB (the open source code the message board uses as it's platform) not interacting correctly with the Mozilla Browser that is the Mac version (being as I was using a Mac at the time)? Still not sure on why that happens to my responses from time to time?

*Actually Mick is the underrated bassist of the group. He's a pretty good bassist when it comes to playing a "funk" arrangement. Just listen to "Sweet Neocon" and "Dangerous Beauty" from A Bigger Bang for a few examples. That is all Mick on Bass supposably.  Impressive for Mick isn't it!  Heck, that's a great sound for anyone. I am sure the production value (Don Was and Kirsh Sharma) had a lot to do with that sound but still, it is most impressive.

You describe Bills and Daryl's sound and playing style pretty well in your own way as well. Thank you.


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Reply #29 - Jun 28th, 2008 at 5:19am
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Yes, Mick has a similar "little hands that could" playing as Bill in a way, maybe they were exchanging tips !

BTW, there's generally no need to quote the entire message if it's just above yours, just hit reply and type away!
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Reply #30 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:27am
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gotdablouse wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:19pm:
mojoman wrote on Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:29pm:
mick still was wondering why bill brought more soul to the band than the black guy that replaced him


You nailed it on the hread bro, or to put it differentely how come Bill and his total lack of musical education was able to come up with such great bass playing and that whatshisname, oh yeah The Munch, rarely comes out of the background "mush".

Anyone who doesn't agree should watch Let's Spend the Night Together and see how Bill essentially holds everything together, arguably Keith was still a great guitar player at the time too. Now they need 5+ guys to do the same thing, sad, sad, sad !



It's all Charlie's fault. Maybe he got sick of being upstaged by a mere bass player. ... maybe he figured he could keep the drive alive on his own. Not to judge motives, but Charlie let Bill walk. If he had just put his foot down and said Bill....you ain't leaving....but then again one of the hardest and heartbreaking things to deal with in this world is a prodical son.
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Reply #31 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 1:19pm
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TenThousandMotels wrote on Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:27am:
gotdablouse wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:19pm:
mojoman wrote on Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:29pm:
mick still was wondering why bill brought more soul to the band than the black guy that replaced him


You nailed it on the hread bro, or to put it differentely how come Bill and his total lack of musical education was able to come up with such great bass playing and that whatshisname, oh yeah The Munch, rarely comes out of the background "mush".

Anyone who doesn't agree should watch Let's Spend the Night Together and see how Bill essentially holds everything together, arguably Keith was still a great guitar player at the time too. Now they need 5+ guys to do the same thing, sad, sad, sad !



It's all Charlie's fault. Maybe he got sick of being upstaged by a mere bass player. ... maybe he figured he could keep the drive alive on his own. Not to judge motives, but Charlie let Bill walk. If he had just put his foot down and said Bill....you ain't leaving....but then again one of the hardest and heartbreaking things to deal with in this world is a prodical son.


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"It's all Charlie's fault"? If Charlie would of just put his foot down Bill would of stayed?

Sir, lets not just put the blame on the closest dude to it all when he has no control of someones thought processes or feelings towards something.

So that was what 15 years and a hand full of tours and a couple albums ago. Do you think Bill would of just said, OK sure, tour after tour, year after year, city after city, night after night?

You can't force someone to do something that just isn't in their heart anymore. You have to let them do their thing. If they return, well great, if not, you cannot control their inner wants. Charlie knows that. This is why he simply let it go. Bill Wyman did not leave The Rolling Stones  on a whim. It was a heart felt decision.

Charlie understood all that. Keith was pissed. That's just Keith. Do you understand what I mean?


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Reply #32 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 1:22pm
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I think this was a bit of a joke, Ian can you stop quoting the ENTIRE MESSAGE you're replying to if it"s JUST ABOVE, adds no value, on the contrary, it makes the forums hard to read, thanks.
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Reply #33 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 1:30pm
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"You can't force someone to do something that just isn't in their heart anymore."

Bull shit. His heart was in it....thats where his heart is. Something else went wrong. Bill pines for the Stones everyday....just read his books, website and blogs. He CRAVES the Stones. That's his baby....his mother,...his father......I'll bet he cries everyday that he ain't "there".
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Reply #34 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 1:35pm
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Actually there was ONE problem, his fear of flying, this is an illness, can't do much about it. I wonder if he's taken the plane since, I know he drove to his band's concerts in Europe. He's a realy pussy, a plane carrying Mick and Keith CANNOT crash ! Heck even the Concord didn't crash on them, this is in reference to an about turn the Concord they were flying in had to do on their way from London to NYC once.
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Reply #35 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:29pm
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TenThousandMotels wrote on Jun 29th, 2008 at 1:30pm:
"You can't force someone to do something that just isn't in their heart anymore."

Bull shit. His heart was in it....thats where his heart is. Something else went wrong. Bill pines for the Stones everyday....just read his books, website and blogs. He CRAVES the Stones. That's his baby....his mother,...his father......I'll bet he cries everyday that he ain't "there".


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It "was" his baby. He will always be a Rolling Stone. He is just not active anymore with them.

He DID develop a true fear of flying but this was not the only reason he left the band. He does not "CRAVE" being back with The Stones. He has had many opportunities to play with them in Europe if he would of liked. Did he? Did he ever suggest this? He could of made plans and rehearsed or even recorded with them in Europe and did some shows if he made plans for it with The Stones. The Stones are a global thing. He knows that. Wyman did nothing. If he is yearning for a spot on stage again with The Stones as you say he would of surely made a move to it right while they were in his back yard on several occasions. Wyman would surely still have a spot with The Stones if he really wanted to do it. He has not moved an inch towards getting together again with The Stones in fifteen long years.... Doesn't this tell you something?

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