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Reply #1 - Jun 13th, 2008 at 7:47pm
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You know, little people, it's not really Bushy's fault if his mother dropped him *accidentally* and he fell on his head, when he was a baby. And it's not his fault that George senior *didn't* see him, when he passed over his son's brain with his very expensive car. I think that it's not an easy task to be a parent, in this very hazardous time, but those old humans with their old bodies ought to be more careful.



But thank God that all these series of events did nothing but give psychic powers to Bushy.

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One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.
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corgi37 wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:12am:
One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.

I disagree.  George Walker Bush III will fade more than any politician of his "magnitude" than ever before.  He's President of the United States and hardly anyone even pays attention to the few things he even says or does now.  Other than the few days surrounding his exit, which should be pretty amusing, his will barely register when he's gone.  And very few political candidates will every want to be associated with him or his legacy of Big Government Fat.  Nope, he'll be forgotten in a matter of days, and he'll go hang around Texas for a bit pretending to be Texan, call up his dad's friends and pick up some $$$$$$ for various positions as an "advisor" to various businesses or semi-public commissions, basically schmucking around doing nothing.  Kind of like he does now.  The Big Fade.
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What I find ashtonishing is how this turd got the job in the first place.
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gimmekeef wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 8:43am:
What I find ashtonishing is how this turd got the job in the first place.

That confused the hell out of me when I first noticed him back in late 1999, because within minutes you can tell he has significant learning and other cognitive disabilities.  Then I read a bit about him and his life and was completely baffled as to how he could even be seriously considered.

But what I came to understand after a while is he was the product of a certain hysteria within a portion of the Republican party with a considerable degree of power.  For a variety of reasons, Clinton terrified many Republicans with his significant intellect and political skill, and something needed to be done.  Decisions were made to allow greater access to party decision making to, lets call them "less sophisticated" people, who were generally counted on for votes, but never seriously listened to.  (Both parties have them to some degree.)  They predictably ran amok and surged one of their own to the nominee spot.  Evidence and results of this are everywhere, especially in the media.  So perhaps the greatest irony of George Walker Bush III and his idiocy is that it really is indeed Clinton's fault.

The problem now for the Republican party is that they lost a lot of conservative intellectual support, and now have whordes of idiots running around basically defining public perception.  Its actually a serious problem for the country as a whole.

That's pretty much it.
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" But what I came to understand after a while is he was the product of a certain hysteria within a portion of the Republican party with a considerable degree of power.  For a variety of reasons, Clinton terrified many Republicans with his significant intellect and political skill, and something needed to be done.  Decisions were made to allow greater access to party decision making to, lets call them "less sophisticated" people, who were generally counted on for votes, but never seriously listened to.  (Both parties have them to some degree.)  They predictably ran amok and surged one of their own to the nominee spot.  Evidence and results of this are everywhere, especially in the media.  So perhaps the greatest irony of George Walker Bush III and his idiocy is that it really is indeed Clinton's fault.

The problem now for the Republican party is that they lost a lot of conservative intellectual support, and now have whordes of idiots running around basically defining public perception.  Its actually a servious problem for the country as a whole.  "
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sirmoonie wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 8:15am:
corgi37 wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:12am:
One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.

I disagree.  George Walker Bush III will fade more than any politician of his "magnitude" than ever before.  He's President of the United States and hardly anyone even pays attention to the few things he even says or does now.  Other than the few days surrounding his exit, which should be pretty amusing, his will barely register when he's gone.  And very few political candidates will every want to be associated with him or his legacy of Big Government Fat.  Nope, he'll be forgotten in a matter of days, and he'll go hang around Texas for a bit pretending to be Texan, call up his dad's friends and pick up some $$$$$$ for various positions as an "advisor" to various businesses or semi-public commissions, basically schmucking around doing nothing.  Kind of like he does now.  The Big Fade.

moonshine, let's go with royal fade.
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Some Guy wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 6:29pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 8:15am:
corgi37 wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:12am:
One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.

I disagree.  George Walker Bush III will fade more than any politician of his "magnitude" than ever before.  He's President of the United States and hardly anyone even pays attention to the few things he even says or does now.  Other than the few days surrounding his exit, which should be pretty amusing, his will barely register when he's gone.  And very few political candidates will every want to be associated with him or his legacy of Big Government Fat.  Nope, he'll be forgotten in a matter of days, and he'll go hang around Texas for a bit pretending to be Texan, call up his dad's friends and pick up some $$$$$$ for various positions as an "advisor" to various businesses or semi-public commissions, basically schmucking around doing nothing.  Kind of like he does now.  The Big Fade.

moonshine, let's go with royal fade.




how bout the royal scam?
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he seems to be big on fade nowadays.
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sirmoonie wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 11:49am:
gimmekeef wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 8:43am:
What I find ashtonishing is how this turd got the job in the first place.

That confused the hell out of me when I first noticed him back in late 1999, because within minutes you can tell he has significant learning and other cognitive disabilities.  Then I read a bit about him and his life and was completely baffled as to how he could even be seriously considered.

But what I came to understand after a while is he was the product of a certain hysteria within a portion of the Republican party with a considerable degree of power.  For a variety of reasons, Clinton terrified many Republicans with his significant intellect and political skill, and something needed to be done.  Decisions were made to allow greater access to party decision making to, lets call them "less sophisticated" people, who were generally counted on for votes, but never seriously listened to.  (Both parties have them to some degree.)  They predictably ran amok and surged one of their own to the nominee spot.  Evidence and results of this are everywhere, especially in the media.  So perhaps the greatest irony of George Walker Bush III and his idiocy is that it really is indeed Clinton's fault.

The problem now for the Republican party is that they lost a lot of conservative intellectual support, and now have whordes of idiots running around basically defining public perception.  Its actually a serious problem for the country as a whole.

That's pretty much it.


nice analysis moonie..

i must say I was surprised and a little disappointed McCain didn't get it  in 2000 and the dynastic and nepotistic nature of GW's acension always left me feeling ill at ease

while he may be forgotten quickly I wonder if his successor (whomever that may be) will have the balls to say what i expect a lot of people (US citizens and others) would be feeling...that is, in the words of gerald ford (well his speech writer anyway)... "My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over"

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corgi37 wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:12am:
One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.


Things in Iraq are going fucking great! That's why the news isn't reporting it anymore. I've got family over there (five tours of duty!!!) and they continue to tell me the same things. Don't fucking believe the media! Things are going great, and we're kicking the ever loving shit out of the enemy!


History is going treat Bush WAY better than this batch of fuckheads in the press. When democracy takes hold, as it is now, then his popularity will rebound 100 fold. He, and his admin, made some huge mistakes in the lead up to the war, and in the way the occupation was handled at first. However, General Petreus has made huge strides, and Iraqis are fucking showering the troops with thanks these days, and they feel very hopefull about their future for the first time in decades. I know the Bush haters will never admit that, but that's the facts.



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Riffhard wrote on Jun 16th, 2008 at 7:29pm:
corgi37 wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:12am:
One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.


Things in Iraq are going fucking great! That's why the news isn't reporting it anymore. I've got family over there (five tours of duty!!!) and they continue to tell me the same things. Don't fucking believe the media! Things are going great, and we're kicking the ever loving shit out of the enemy!


History is going treat Bush WAY better than this batch of fuckheads in the press. When democracy takes hold, as it is now, then his popularity will rebound 100 fold. He, and his admin, made some huge mistakes in the lead up to the war, and in the way the occupation was handled at first. However, General Petreus has made huge strides, and Iraqis are fucking showering the troops with thanks these days, and they feel very hopefull about their future for the first time in decades. I know the Bush haters will never admit that, but that's the facts.



Riffy






Things are better, because it was fucking insane there... Now it's a bit less insane, but what happens next? Seriously, what's the plan? Remain forever policing a country of people who hate each other and spend money like a drunken democrat fixing healthcare or leave and watch the place go worse then ever imagined b/c of Iran.
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You guys can bitch and moan about Bush all you want. Hell I'd agree with some of it. He spent money like a drunken sailor on leave, his stand on illegal immigration, the list goes on.....and I'd even agree that the war was handled shoddily out of the gate.


However anyone here that thinks that the world would be safer with Saddam in power is an idiot. The costs in both money, and lives was terrible, and much of this can be laid at the Bush Admin. Now though things are really turning around over there, and that some won't admit and cheer that fact sickens me. It really looks as if the Iraqi governemnt is stepping up, and the citizenry is very proud of their new found freedoms and security. If you don't believe that then you are just delussional.


I have found that many people refuse to see the many great things happening in Iraq these days because they feel that that would mean that Bush was right. Pretty fucking stupid attitude! This hasn't got shit to do with Bush!! The US military is doing great things in Iraq, and they deserve the fucking credit!! Is that too much to ask?!


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Riffhard wrote on Jun 16th, 2008 at 7:47pm:
You guys can bitch and moan about Bush all you want. Hell I'd agree with some of it. He spent money like a drunken sailor on leave, his stand on illegal immigration, the list goes on.....and I'd even agree that the war was handled shoddily out of the gate.


However anyone here that thinks that the world would be safer with Saddam in power is an idiot. The costs in both money, and lives was terrible, and much of this can be laid at the Bush Admin. Now though things are really turning around over there, and that some won't admit and cheer that fact sickens me. It really looks as if the Iraqi governemnt is stepping up, and the citizenry is very proud of their new found freedoms and security. If you don't believe that then you are just delussional.


I have found that many people refuse to see the many great things happening in Iraq these days because they feel that that would mean that Bush was right. Pretty fucking stupid attitude! This hasn't got shit to do with Bush!! The US military is doing great things in Iraq, and they deserve the fucking credit!! Is that too much to ask?!


WE ARE WINNING IN IRAQ!!! WE ARE WINNING LARGE!!! VERY LARGE!!!


Riffy


Bush was right? About what WMD's? Face it dude, they lied to take over the country and used Saddam. I'm not delusional, I know the history of Iraq, Saddam and the region to know how the USA has meddled in the affairs there, and then we act surprised, when people who got the raw deal from our actions retaliate, speak up or god forbid, do something we don't like. Iran overthrew a dictator and set up a democracy. The USA set up the sha, and you gonna tell me they are opposed to us b/c of our freedoms? We set up Saddam as well. Don't be too quick to say Bush was right, when every president since WWII ended has been wrong about the mid-east. And do you know what is the "right thing"? Admitting we don't decide for them, see they ain't US fucking A.
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One thing, as I might be serious for a moment. Bush isn't to blame for all the wrongdoings in the world. He may be the big cheese, but presidents are more like moral figures, paternal shit. Not all the (good/bad) decisions are made by them. Is Fidel Castro's brother really the leader of Cuba? NO! He's a puppet. Not a headless doll, but a puppet all the same.
Politicians shake hands. But the real work is made by the people who work for them. Democracy my ass. Kiss my undercover ass

Sorry for the dumb post. It's getting pretty drunk here and it's a full moon. And things don't go right when it's a full moon. I know because God told me so. Every time I look at the mirror God speaks through me. This is not a psychotic breakdown; it's a cleansing moment of clarity.
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One thing, as I might be serious for a moment. Bush isn't to blame for all the wrongdoings in the world. He may be the big cheese, but presidents are more like moral figures, paternal shit. Not all the (good/bad) decisions are made by them. Is Fidel Castro's brother really the leader of Cuba? NO! He's a puppet. Not a headless doll, but a puppet all the same.
Politicians shake hands. But the real work is made by the people who work for them. Democracy my ass. Kiss my undercover ass

Sorry for the dumb post. It's getting pretty drunk here and it's a full moon. And things don't go right when it's a full moon. I know because God told me so. Every time I look at the mirror God speaks through me. This is not a psychotic breakdown; it's a cleansing moment of clarity.



Not a dumb post at all.   All elected officials become a puppet in the long run. 

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MrPleasant wrote on Jun 16th, 2008 at 9:34pm:
One thing, as I might be serious for a moment. Bush isn't to blame for all the wrongdoings in the world. He may be the big cheese, but presidents are more like moral figures, paternal shit. Not all the (good/bad) decisions are made by them. Is Fidel Castro's brother really the leader of Cuba? NO! He's a puppet. Not a headless doll, but a puppet all the same.
Politicians shake hands. But the real work is made by the people who work for them. Democracy my ass. Kiss my undercover ass

Sorry for the dumb post. It's getting pretty drunk here and it's a full moon. And things don't go right when it's a full moon. I know because God told me so. Every time I look at the mirror God speaks through me. This is not a psychotic breakdown; it's a cleansing moment of clarity.



Not a dumb post at all.   All elected officials become a puppet in the long run.  

Lets drink more!!!!


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Firstly the USA did not set up Saddam. That's crap. Yes we helped him during the Iran/Iraq War, but then again Iran had held our hostages and we had every right to see them pay the price for that shit. Sometimes a country has to lay down with dogs. That's the nature of the world. You'd have to be delussional to think that every person that we are forced to cooperate with is going to be rightous. The FACT is that the USA is, and ALWAYS has been, a force for good in the world! We have never once tried to advance any type of Imperialist agendas. To the contrary, we have helped liberate more people than any other nation in history of civilization.


Secondly, Bush DID NOT LIE about WMDs!! Damn when will people at least be honest about that?!?! He used intel that was believed by everyone. Clinton believed it. France believed it. Germany believed it. Hell, even the UN believed it! Bush used the exact same intel that Bill Clinton gave him. It was intel that had been passed through every Western Intel agency, as well as the MOSAD in Israel. Why was the intel wrong? Because Saddam deliberately lied about the existence of WMDs. It was a matter of stupid Middle Eastern pride with him. I mean shit even his generals believed that Iraq had these weapons!!! The US discovered all kinds of paperwork from various generals asking why the WMDs had yet to be deployed! The British intercepted Iraqi generals in the field screaming about the WMDs. They were screaming that the time had come to unleash them! They were duped too. Yet to the Bush hater it's not Saddam that lied! No it was Bush! Facts mean nothing to the typical Bush hater even when the facts are so prevelant.



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Bush cant be blamed for all the worlds ills because besides Iraq wtf has he done? What part of his domestic legacy can even be held up as an achievement? Iraq will be semi stable only as long as we risk lives and pour billions into that shithole.They have hated each other and refused to stand up for democracy for 1000 years.Like 6 years of US intervention and a puppet government is going to fundamentally change that?
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Firstly the USA did not set up Saddam. That's crap. Yes we helped him during the Iran/Iraq War, but then again Iran had held our hostages and we had every right to see them pay the price for that shit. Sometimes a country has to lay down with dogs. That's the nature of the world. You'd have to be delussional to think that every person that we are forced to cooperate with is going to be rightous. The FACT is that the USA is, and ALWAYS has been, a force for good in the world! We have never once tried to advance any type of Imperialist agendas. To the contrary, we have helped liberate more people than any other nation in history of civilization.


Secondly, Bush DID NOT LIE about WMDs!! Damn when will people at least be honest about that?!?! He used intel that was believed by everyone. Clinton believed it. France believed it. Germany believed it. Hell, even the UN believed it! Bush used the exact same intel that Bill Clinton gave him. It was intel that had been passed through every Western Intel agency, as well as the MOSAD in Israel. Why was the intel wrong? Because Saddam deliberately lied about the existence of WMDs. It was a matter of stupid Middle Eastern pride with him. I mean shit even his generals believed that Iraq had these weapons!!! The US discovered all kinds of paperwork from various generals asking why the WMDs had yet to be deployed! The British intercepted Iraqi generals in the field screaming about the WMDs. They were screaming that the time had come to unleash them! They were duped too. Yet to the Bush hater it's not Saddam that lied! No it was Bush! Facts mean nothing to the typical Bush hater even when the facts are so prevelant.



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you must be responding to me... I said the USA set up the shah.
And this intel Bush used about Iraq.. Whatever, selective intel, and seeing how they ignored major intel conmcering a much more dangerous threat in AQ, it's a bad argument to use intel and Bush in a debate on mid-east policy.
I might not be super dooper smart, but I know bullshit and  I know common sense!
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corgi37 wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:12am:
One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.


Things in Iraq are going fucking great! That's why the news isn't reporting it anymore. I've got family over there (five tours of duty!!!) and they continue to tell me the same things. Don't fucking believe the media! Things are going great, and we're kicking the ever loving shit out of the enemy!


History is going treat Bush WAY better than this batch of fuckheads in the press. When democracy takes hold, as it is now, then his popularity will rebound 100 fold. He, and his admin, made some huge mistakes in the lead up to the war, and in the way the occupation was handled at first. However, General Petreus has made huge strides, and Iraqis are fucking showering the troops with thanks these days, and they feel very hopefull about their future for the first time in decades. I know the Bush haters will never admit that, but that's the facts.



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Remember the horrid press President Reagan used to get? Now even the Dems are lining up to name airports after him. I think W has failed in a major way but it'll make him mediocre & put him somewhere in the middle of our list of presidents.
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I thought this thread was on global warming.  Man made global warming is pure bull shit.  The world has actually cooled in the last ten years.  Look it up.
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yeah, that must why be the ice caps are disappearing


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that's the ticket


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If that were true it would be one thing, but it's not. The ice caps in the artic may well be shrinking slowly, but that is almost certainly cyclical weather patterns. Yet if we look south to the Antartic just the opposite is true. The ice caps and ice shelfs in the South Pole are the largest on record, and still growing!


Here go see for yourself.


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html


The purple represents ice "growth" in just the last year!


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I guess you didn't like the link? I mean I know it's hard to argue facts, but at least you can do better than a two word nonsense reply.


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Good thing our man Al is on the case!!


Oh, wait.....oops!


He's just a fucking hypocrite making millions off a sham that he continues to peddle, but who's watching the watcher?


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Energy Guzzled by Al Gore’s Home in Past Year Could Power 232 U.S. Homes for a Month
Gore’s personal electricity consumption up 10%, despite “energy-efficient” home renovations

NASHVILLE - In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

“A man’s commitment to his beliefs is best measured by what he does behind the closed doors of his own home,” said Drew Johnson, President of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research. “Al Gore is a hypocrite and a fraud when it comes to his commitment to the environment, judging by his home energy consumption.”

In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.

In February 2007, An Inconvenient Truth, a film based on a climate change speech developed by Gore, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore’s Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household.

After the Tennessee Center for Policy Research exposed Gore’s massive home energy use, the former Vice President scurried to make his home more energy-efficient. Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more efficient models, and overhauling the home’s windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the “green” overhaul.

Since taking steps to make his home more environmentally-friendly last June, Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations – at a cost of $16,533. By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration.

In the wake of becoming the most well-known global warming alarmist, Gore won an Oscar, a Grammy and the Nobel Peace Prize. In addition, Gore saw his personal wealth increase by an estimated $100 million thanks largely to speaking fees and investments related to global warming hysteria.

“Actions speak louder than words, and Gore’s actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity,” Johnson said. “Gore is exploiting the public’s concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.”

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a Nashville-based free market think tank and watchdog organization, obtained information about Gore’s home energy use through a public records request to the Nashville Electric Service.


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lotsajizz wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 6:39pm:
yeah, that must why be the ice caps are disappearing


that's the ticket


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If that were true it would be one thing, but it's not. The ice caps in the artic may well be shrinking slowly, but that is almost certainly cyclical weather patterns. Yet if we look south to the Antartic just the opposite is true. The ice caps and ice shelfs in the South Pole are the largest on record, and still growing!


Here go see for yourself.


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html


The purple represents ice "growth" in just the last year!


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WASHINGTON - For a quarter-century, drilling for oil and gas off nearly all the American coastline has been banned in part to protect tourism and to lessen the chances of beach-blackening spills.

Then gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon this summer. Drivers and others began clamoring for federal lawmakers to do something about the record price of oil, much of it produced in foreign countries.

In response, President Bush is renewing his call to open U.S. coastal waters to oil and gas development, arguing that it's high time to battle high prices with increased domestic production. He is planning to ask Congress on Wednesday to lift the drilling moratoria that have been in effect since 1981 in more than 80 percent of the country's Outer Continental Shelf and to let states help to decide where to allow drilling.

"The president believes Congress shouldn't waste any more time," White House press secretary Dana Perino told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "He will explicitly call on Congress to ... pass legislation lifting the congressional ban on safe, environmentally friendly offshore oil drilling."

For their part, some lawmakers have their own plan: Legislation that would continue the ban into late 2009 was scheduled to be considered Wednesday by the House Appropriations Committee.

Congressional Democrats, joined by some GOP lawmakers from coastal states, have opposed lifting the prohibition that has barred energy companies from waters along both the East and West coasts and in the eastern Gulf of Mexico for 27 years.

On Monday, GOP presidential candidate John McCain made lifting the federal ban on offshore oil and gas development a key part of his energy plan. McCain said states should be allowed to pursue energy exploration in waters near their coasts and get some of the royalty revenue.

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, opposes lifting the ban on offshore drilling and says that allowing exploration now wouldn't affect gasoline prices for at least five years.

McCain called for reform of the laws governing the oil futures trading market, and drew a standing ovation from his audience Wednesday when he repeated his day-old support for an end to the federal moratorium on offshore oil drilling. He favors allowing states to decide whether to explore offshore waters.

That drew a rebuttal from Obama, who said his opponent had switched positions from when he first ran for president in 2000. "I think he continues to find himself being pushed further and further to the right in ways that in my mind don't show a lot of leadership," he said.

Obama also said there is "no way that allowing offshore drilling would lower gas prices right now. At best you are looking at five years or more down the road."

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, energy secretary during the Clinton administration, called it "another bad idea."

"It's going to take 10 years to fully get that oil out of the ocean. It's a fragile ecosystem," he said on CBS's "The Early Show."

"You know this president, all he wants to do is drill, drill, drill. There is very little on conservation, on fuel efficiency for vehicles. Just last week the Congress failed to pass a solar tax credit — give more incentives to renewable energy, solar and wind. A one track mind — drill drill drill — that's not going to work," Richardson said.

The 574 million acres of federal coastal water that are off-limits are believed to hold nearly 18 billion barrels of undiscovered, recoverable oil and 77 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, according to the Interior Department. The country each year uses about 7.6 billion barrels of oil and 21 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

Perino said Bush also would reiterate his call for giving companies access to oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. McCain has opposed drilling in the refuge, maintaining that the pristine areas in northeastern Alaska should be protected from energy development.

In another development, Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida has dropped his long-standing support for the federal government's moratorium on offshore drilling and endorsed McCain's proposal to let states decide for themselves.

The governor said he reversed his position because of rising fuel prices and states' rights. "I mean, let's face it, the price of gas has gone through the roof, and Florida families are suffering," Crist said. "And my heart bleeds for them."

When Republicans held the majority, the House twice voted to lift the ban, only to have the legislation die in the Senate. The Senate last month by a 56-42 vote rejected a GOP energy plan that would have allowed states to avoid the federal ban if they wanted energy development off their coast.

Congress imposed the drilling moratorium in 1981 and has extended it each year since, by prohibiting the Interior Department from spending money on offshore oil or gas leases in virtually all coastal waters outside the western Gulf of Mexico and in some areas off Alaska.

President George H.W. Bush issued a parallel executive drilling ban in 1990, which was extended by President Clinton and then by the current president until 2012.

Bush has been considering lifting the executive ban as a symbolic move to get Congress to take action, but he decided against doing so for the time being, said an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because internal deliberations were involved.

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Congressional Democrats were quick to reject the push for lifting the drilling moratorium, saying oil companies already have 68 million acres offshore waters under lease that are not being developed.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Bush's proposals "another page from (an)... energy policy that was literally written by the oil industry — give away more public resources."

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee, rejected lifting the drilling moratorium that has been supported by a succession of presidents for nearly two decades.

"This is not something that's going to give consumers short-term relief and it is not a long-term solution to our problems with fossil fuels generally and oil in particular," said Obama. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, lumping Bush with McCain, accused them of staging a "cynical campaign ploy" that won't help lower energy prices.

"Despite what President Bush, John McCain and their friends in the oil industry claim, we cannot drill our way out of this problem," Reid said. "The math is simple: America has just three percent of the world's oil reserves, but Americans use a quarter of its oil."


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What a dumbass W is. He is the shame of America. Shit!
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Some Guy wrote on Jun 18th, 2008 at 2:14pm:
Democrats reject Bush's call to lift ban on offshore oil drilling

Congressional Democrats were quick to reject the push for lifting the drilling moratorium, saying oil companies already have 68 million acres offshore waters under lease that are not being developed.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Bush's proposals "another page from (an)... energy policy that was literally written by the oil industry — give away more public resources."

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee, rejected lifting the drilling moratorium that has been supported by a succession of presidents for nearly two decades.

"This is not something that's going to give consumers short-term relief and it is not a long-term solution to our problems with fossil fuels generally and oil in particular," said Obama. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, lumping Bush with McCain, accused them of staging a "cynical campaign ploy" that won't help lower energy prices.

"Despite what President Bush, John McCain and their friends in the oil industry claim, we cannot drill our way out of this problem," Reid said. "The math is simple: America has just three percent of the world's oil reserves, but Americans use a quarter of its oil."



So bitchy Pelosi has decided I should keep paying $4 a gallon based on some specious campaign craft? What if we stopped drilling for Botox?
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"  What if we stopped drilling for Botox ? "


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Media bias isn't limited to MSNBC, beeyotch!
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The Dems idiotic kow towing to the enviro wackjobs may well cost them in November. Every single person that I talk to, liberal or conservative, wants to drill here, and wants to drill now.

McCain wisely changed course on his stance because he sensed this outright anger from the public. The fact that the USA has more untapped oil than the entire Middle East combined ought to be enough incentive to wake people up to the need for the USA to start tapping our own resources here.

It is beyond hypocritical to ask every other country to drill for more oil for our consumption when we refuse to help ourselves. It's not so much hypocritical as it is just plain stupid. The enviro argument is crap anyway! With new clean technology the oil deposits can accessed at negligable impact to the enviroment. ANWAR is the size of South Carolina. The amount of land needed to explore, drill, and remove the oil there is roughly the size of Logan Airport in Boston! That means that less than one tenth of one percent of ANWAR would even be touched by "Big Oil"!!! Yet for some fucked up reason we have been told no!

Time to drill there and everywhere else.

Lord knows no other countries are slowing their rate of exploration, drilling,refining capacity, or consumption. So why are we being hamstrung?

Ask the Dems.



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Hey Riffy,
Time to check your facts. Oil companies have been given a recordnumber permits to drill in the last few years. Many of the oil companies are sitting on the permits without using them. The facts contradict the corporate news talking points!
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Check this out:

http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080612/NEWS01/80612033/1002

Gordon: Oil companies should use drilling permits or lose them


WASHINGTON – In an effort to provide relief to consumers struggling to cope with high gas prices, U.S. Rep. Bart Gordon is urging Congress to require oil companies to use their drilling permits or lose them.

Gordon cites a report from the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Natural Resources that says the federal government has issued thousands of leases that oil and gas companies are not using to drill on public land. According to the report, it is estimated from today’s production rates that the 68 million acres of federal land that is leased but not drilled could nearly double total U.S. oil production and could increase gas production by more than 50 percent.

“If companies used the permits they are holding and increased domestic production, the United States could cut oil imports by one-third,” said Gordon. “Congress needs to send a message to oil companies and tell them they can’t just stockpile leases to artificially inflate oil prices. We need legislation that will force companies to use their drilling permits or lose their leases and let someone else drill on that land.”

Gordon said he is hopeful that legislation will be introduced in the coming weeks to require the “use it or lose it” stipulation on drilling permits.



Even in Nebraska: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10359778

Oil drilling permits in Nebraska are at 20-year high
BY LESLIE REED
WORLD-HERALD BUREAU

LINCOLN — With a barrel of oil over $134 and natural gas prices doubling in five years, western Nebraska is seeing its biggest spurt in oil and gas well drilling since the early 1980s.

The number of drilling permits issued by Nebraska is at its highest level in 20 years.Bill Sydow, director of the Nebraska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in Sidney, said Nebraska has issued more than 40 new well permits a month for the past two months.

"The last time that ever happened, there were over 600 wells drilled, in 1981. We're not going to get to 600 this year, but we have to go back more than 20 years to see any activity levels like that on a monthly basis," Sydow said.

Nebraska showed small increases in both oil and gas production last year. It also issued 238 permits for new oil and gas wells, about two-thirds of them for natural gas. So far this year, 108 permits have been issued and an additional 16 requested.

The wells are being drilled on land owned by area farmers and ranchers by relatively small independent drilling companies who lease oil and gas rights from the landowners.

Some landowners said the past few years have sparked exploration activity at levels they haven't seen in decades.

Stan Jones, a Benkelman farmer, rancher and crop sprayer, said he has had natural gas leases and two nonproducing wells on his property for 40 years. Late in 2006, Houston-based Noble Energy asked to drill.

The new wells were in production by March 2007. Jones now has about two dozen wells producing natural gas. Most private landowners collect a 12 percent royalty on production.

"They're exploring quite a bit of ground, of mine and the neighbors," Jones said of Noble. "I think it's going to be good for southwest Nebraska."

Scott Olson, a Haigler farmer and Dundy County Board member, hadn't leased mineral rights on his land for 25 years. Noble now is paying $13.50 per acre for five years to lease mineral rights on his land.

David Larson, vice president of investor relations for Noble Energy, said the company has assembled mineral rights to drill for gas on about 300,000 acres in Chase, Dundy and Perkins Counties in southwest Nebraska.

Natural gas is measured in quantities of a thousand cubic feet, or "Mcf," and Nebraska production in 2007 was 1,400,326 Mcf, its highest level since 1995. The state's record year for gas production was 1962, with 8,835,000 Mcf.

Nebraska ranks in the mid-20s among the states in both oil and natural gas production, according to statistics from the Energy Information Administration and the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission.

That output is dwarfed by oil giants such as Texas, which in 2006 produced 344 million barrels of oil and 5.5 billion Mcf of natural gas.

Nebraska's oil history dates to 1939, when the first producing well was drilled in Richardson County, said Marv Carlson, research geologist at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. That area continues to see one or two new oil wells a year.

Nebraska oil production peaked in 1962 at nearly 25 million barrels. It had declined to 2.31 million barrels in 2006.

But in 2007, oil production rose slightly — to 2.33 million barrels — the first increase since 1989. The state now produces about 6,000 barrels of oil a day, Carlson said.

Iowa had no oil or natural gas production. Kansas reported 36.1 million barrels of oil and 438,000 Mcf of natural gas. Colorado produced 22.9 million barrels of oil and 1.2 billion Mcf of natural gas.

Total domestic U.S. production now is about 4.8 million barrels a day, about half the 1971 peak of 9.4 million per day, Sydow said.

The total number of producing oil wells in Nebraska has held steady for the past several years, while gas wells have increased. There were 1,187 producing oil wells in 2007, compared with 1,182 in 2005. There were 197 natural gas wells, compared with 96 wells in 2001.

Bruce Evertson, a Kimball, Neb., "wildcatter" who explores for oil and gas, said there's a good supply of high-quality sweet crude oil beneath the Panhandle and southwest Nebraska — but dense rock formations make it difficult to recover because there is not enough pressure to force it through the rock.

He said it likely would cost millions to drill a high-tech well that would recover only about 20 barrels a day because of the low pressure.

"We found a lot of oil, but it's not recoverable using today's techniques," he said.

Evertson Operating Inc., a 24-year-old company, has been the largest oil producer in Nebraska for the past four or five years. Evertson said his company pumps 1,500 barrels a day in Nebraska. It has operations in several other states as well.

While Colorado, Utah and Wyoming have more oil than Nebraska, they also have more regulatory requirements, Evertson said. He said an industry-friendly attitude from Nebraska regulators, combined with rising oil prices, have increased interest in Nebraska oil.

David Nicklas, president of Vista Oil & Gas Inc. of Pittsburgh, said his company has drilled about 50 natural gas wells in the Sidney area since 2002 and plans to drill another 30 to 40 a year for the next four or five years.

He said the Nebraska natural gas field is on the edge of a higher-quality area just over the state line in Yuma County, Colo.

"That's what led us to Nebraska," Nicklas said. "We thought we might be able to make the fringe area work."

Sydow said Noble has about 90 producing gas wells in the "Chundy" area — straddling the border between Chase and Dundy Counties. The company has 15 other wells awaiting completion and permits to drill 74 more.

Nebraska's oil and gas reserves can contribute only incrementally to the nation's effort to reduce its reliance on foreign fuel, but every little bit helps, Noble's Larson said.

He said natural gas fields in northeast Colorado, southwest Nebraska and northwest Kansas are a small but growing part of his 75-year-old company's operations.

Larson said Noble probably would drill 150 wells in Nebraska this year. It may sound like a lot, but that is because the natural gas reserves, although plentiful, are shallow and low-producing. Noble is drilling wells that are about 2,200 feet deep, compared with perhaps 8,000 feet for a more typical gas well.

But shallow wells are cheaper to drill — and advances in technology have allowed the company to find natural gas in about 90 percent of the wells it has dug.

Shit even three year ago they were issuing record number of drilling permits:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/27/AR2005042701946_...

Gas-Drilling Permits in Rockies Outstrip Ability to Tap Resource

By Blaine Harden
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 28, 2005; A03



PINEDALE, Wyo. -- As energy companies and Bush administration officials have long told the story, lack of access to federal land is the primary roadblock for increased production of natural gas in the United States.

The Independent Petroleum Association of America made this familiar claim in February at a congressional hearing. Similarly, Vice President Cheney said last year that because of unjustified federal limits on drilling, "large parts of the Rocky Mountain West are off-limits."

The lack-of-access story, however, does not square with what is happening on the ground here at the epicenter of what is widely being called the largest boom in gas drilling on federal land ever in the Rocky Mountain West.

In response to White House orders to expedite gas extraction on federal lands, the Bureau of Land Management has issued more gas-drilling permits in the West than the industry has rigs to drill with or workers to operate the rigs, according to government records, industry experts and local officials.

The BLM issued a record number of drilling permits last year, but the gas industry is struggling to keep up, with the number of completed wells flat or declining over the past three years.

"Around here, I don't even hear that argument about access anymore," said Prill Mecham, field manager for the BLM in the Pinedale area, which she said contains more gas in a smaller footprint than anywhere in the West. "The companies are clear where they need to drill, and they have access to all these areas."

Several of the energy companies operating in the Pinedale area -- where there is an estimated 35 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, about 11 times the total amount produced annually on all public land in the United States -- are unreservedly bullish in their reports to shareholders about prospects for high-profit, long-term access to gas. "Ultra's well economics are robust," says a company profile by Ultra Petroleum Corp. of Houston, one of the major operators here.

With a record number of gas-drilling rigs now operating in the West, industry analysts say, energy companies have all but exhausted available drilling equipment in North America. Because delivery on new rigs can take a year or more, the industry is not expected to catch up in the near future to the drilling permits that have already been issued by the federal government.

"Large drilling contractors are operating at full utilization," said Byron Pope, an analyst for Pickering Energy Partners Inc., a Houston-based energy research firm. "Don't expect to see a massive wave of more drilling."

There is also an acute shortage of gas-field workers. Here in Wyoming, which leads the West in gas drilling on public land, an industry-sponsored school was opened last month in Casper to train needed roughnecks. Its director, Charlie Ware, said energy companies have "told us that they need 1,000 new workers a year for the next five years to drill the leases that are out there right now."

In New Mexico, where gas drilling on public lands is also booming, Bob Gallagher, president of the state oil and gas association, agreed that the industry has temporarily run out of capacity: "If we had the availability of equipment and labor as we speak, you would see more crews working, more wells being drilled."

Gallagher and other industry experts say that the federal government must continue to lease more land for drilling because older gas fields are drying up, dependence on foreign supply is increasing and consumer appetite for gas continues to surge.

As industry scrambles to catch up with existing drilling permits, state and local governments across the Rocky Mountain West, as well as a number of local and national environmental groups, are becoming increasingly concerned -- and in some cases, outraged -- about the environmental and social consequences of increased gas production on federal land.

"When you have a huge portfolio of unused leases, why does the Bush administration continue to issue more, especially in environmentally fragile areas?" asked Dave Alberswerth, who analyzes energy exploration on public lands for the Wilderness Society.

Responding to these concerns, John Wright, a spokesman for the Interior Department, said: "We only lease in areas on public land where there is gas and where we can do it in an environmentally sensitive manner. More important, these decisions are based on land management planning, which is a public process."

Much of the recent grumbling about gas drilling in the West, however, comes from ranchers who say their rights as owners have been trumped by federal mining law.

They complain about the "split-estate." Many ranchers in the region own only surface rights to their land, while the BLM owns sub-surface mineral rights. Oil and gas companies can lease those mineral rights from the BLM and operate on a rancher's land, building roads and drilling wells, even without the rancher's permission.

In an unprecedented response to constituent anger over the split-estate, five state legislatures -- in Wyoming, Montana, Colorado, North Dakota and New Mexico -- this year considered laws to protect and enhance the rights of surface owners in disputes with energy companies. Wyoming was the one state to enact such a law (in Montana and Colorado, bills were narrowly turned back).

The Wyoming law calls for negotiations on damage payments, requires land reclamation when drilling is done and spells out rules for mediating disputes. In the other four states, similar or tougher laws are likely to be considered again next year, said Kevin Williams, a field organizer for the Western Organization of Resource Councils, which coordinates local land-use groups.

"It's about polluted water, it's about noise, it's about dust," Williams said. "A lot of people are angry, and this is not going to die down."

Here in the Pinedale area, a report by the Wilderness Society says that the rapid pace of drilling is damaging "a wildlife resource of national significance." The report says that road building associated with drilling has fragmented winter habitat for some of the West's largest and longest-migrating herds of pronghorn antelope and mule deer, while reducing breeding and nesting areas for the sage grouse, a bird many experts regard as threatened.

Local BLM chief Mecham concedes that intensive gas drilling and road construction in the Jonah Field near Pinedale in the past four years has caused some environmental damage, especially to habitat for the sage grouse.

According to Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal (D), that is an understatement. In a recent letter to Mecham, he said the Jonah Field is an "example of what not to do in the future." Surface disturbance from roads, wells and pipelines is so great, he wrote, that any measure to mitigate the damage would now be a "futile attempt to 'perfume the pig.' " In an interview at her office here, Mecham said that "there are lessons to be learned from Jonah" and that the BLM is now in a better position to control the drilling that has begun in a nearby gas field, called the Pinedale anticline, where there are winter herds of pronghorn and mule deer.

Many local residents, having witnessed the frantic pace of drilling in the past four years, are less sanguine.

"The country needs this energy, but it is insane what happened at the Jonah Field, and there is still no development plan for the Pinedale anticline," said Gordon Johnston, a Bush supporter and former Marine who until January was a Republican county commissioner in Sublette County, which includes Pinedale.

Asked whether he believes the BLM will now ride herd on the gas companies and protect wildlife in the Pinedale anticline, Johnston smiled sadly.

"There is not a doubt in my military mind," he said. "That will not happen."


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We need the oil companies to explain why they aren't drilling where they already have permits. At these prices, they'd be crazy not to drill.
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Exactly. . .crazy like a fox. . . .
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Hey Riffy,
Time to check your facts. Oil companies have been given a recordnumber permits to drill in the last few years. Many of the oil companies are sitting on the permits without using them. The facts contradict the corporate news talking points!
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MM I gotta tell ya, for someone accusing me of spouting "talking points" it would appear that you are the one that is really guilty here. The FACT is that US "Big Oil" is sitting on 85 million acres of "drillable sites". These sites were granted them by the government years ago. Of the sites now approved for exploration, drilling, and removal of this oil less than 10% of the land has any oil to drill!! Oil experts have been bitching about this fact for decades now to no avail.

Last year Exxon/Mobil reinvested over 75% of their profits into technology to help them explore more drilling sites and to continue to explore "clean drill" and "clean refining" capabilities.

The FACT is that what is being spouted off by Dems about oil companies "sitting on idle" oil deposits is 100% bullshit.


Here's is just one blurb from the linked article below-

The Claim: “Energy companies are not using federal lands already open to energy development”

Some lawmakers state that oil companies currently hold millions of acres of leases that are not producing. This is true, but not for the reasons politicians would have you believe. It seems the lawmakers would have us believe that oil and gas exist beneath every acre of every lease the government issues; that obtaining a lease was a virtual guarantee that the lease holder would strike oil and gas, or both. Obviously, that’s false.  If it were true, who wouldn’t be on line at the Department of Interior trying to buy an acre or two for themselves?

Unfortunately, there are no guarantees. Oil and gas might be found during the exploration phase of the lease, or it might not. This process, and those that involve satisfying all of the government requirements, defending against frivolous environmental lawsuits, and preparing to drill if energy is found can take a long as a decade



Read more here-http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2008/06/13/truth-about-ocs/

The FACT is that Dems are so beholden to their enviro-wackjob base that they can never bring themselves to admit what they know to be true. This why Obama trys and spin the BS about "the oil won't be on-line for at least another decade!" This, of course, ignores the very real and immediate effect that opening up these sites would have on the global price of crude oil. It would drop in price overnight! It would drop like a rock in fact. Had Clinton not vetoed the ANWAR Drilling bill in 1995 we would already be getting over a million extra barrels a week!


You guys just keep on running on the "no growth flat earth" policy about drilling. That's gonna work wonders come November.


Go to the site that I linked to. Read the articles. Check out the charts and graphs, and then come back here and try and tell me that it's "Big Oil's" fault! Only a complete partisan can ignore the facts that are there for all the world to see.


You see MM, I have read up on this issue extensively for a long long time now. Hell, I was pushing for more drilling when gas was a mere $2.50 per gallon! I was, at that time, cursing the idiocy of McCain too! Thankfully he has come around on the need for more domestic oil production. It's time that the Dems pull their heads out of their asses and support it as well.

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Oh and one more thing. Go to this link and watch the videos from various sources. After you watch them I have a hard time believing that you would try and make this insanly biased and partisan argument. Just listen to the facts. Not the facts from "Big Oil". Rather the facts from the Department of Interior and leading experts.


I dare ya to check out the facts! I double dog dare ya!


http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/television/



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