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Reply #25 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 7:48am
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 16th, 2008 at 9:49pm:
Firstly the USA did not set up Saddam. That's crap. Yes we helped him during the Iran/Iraq War, but then again Iran had held our hostages and we had every right to see them pay the price for that shit. Sometimes a country has to lay down with dogs. That's the nature of the world. You'd have to be delussional to think that every person that we are forced to cooperate with is going to be rightous. The FACT is that the USA is, and ALWAYS has been, a force for good in the world! We have never once tried to advance any type of Imperialist agendas. To the contrary, we have helped liberate more people than any other nation in history of civilization.


Secondly, Bush DID NOT LIE about WMDs!! Damn when will people at least be honest about that?!?! He used intel that was believed by everyone. Clinton believed it. France believed it. Germany believed it. Hell, even the UN believed it! Bush used the exact same intel that Bill Clinton gave him. It was intel that had been passed through every Western Intel agency, as well as the MOSAD in Israel. Why was the intel wrong? Because Saddam deliberately lied about the existence of WMDs. It was a matter of stupid Middle Eastern pride with him. I mean shit even his generals believed that Iraq had these weapons!!! The US discovered all kinds of paperwork from various generals asking why the WMDs had yet to be deployed! The British intercepted Iraqi generals in the field screaming about the WMDs. They were screaming that the time had come to unleash them! They were duped too. Yet to the Bush hater it's not Saddam that lied! No it was Bush! Facts mean nothing to the typical Bush hater even when the facts are so prevelant.



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you must be responding to me... I said the USA set up the shah.
And this intel Bush used about Iraq.. Whatever, selective intel, and seeing how they ignored major intel conmcering a much more dangerous threat in AQ, it's a bad argument to use intel and Bush in a debate on mid-east policy.
I might not be super dooper smart, but I know bullshit and  I know common sense!
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Reply #26 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 3:38pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 16th, 2008 at 7:29pm:
corgi37 wrote on Jun 14th, 2008 at 5:12am:
One thing you can say about him, he wont be forgotten for years.

Or forgiven.

Particularly in Iraq.


Things in Iraq are going fucking great! That's why the news isn't reporting it anymore. I've got family over there (five tours of duty!!!) and they continue to tell me the same things. Don't fucking believe the media! Things are going great, and we're kicking the ever loving shit out of the enemy!


History is going treat Bush WAY better than this batch of fuckheads in the press. When democracy takes hold, as it is now, then his popularity will rebound 100 fold. He, and his admin, made some huge mistakes in the lead up to the war, and in the way the occupation was handled at first. However, General Petreus has made huge strides, and Iraqis are fucking showering the troops with thanks these days, and they feel very hopefull about their future for the first time in decades. I know the Bush haters will never admit that, but that's the facts.



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Remember the horrid press President Reagan used to get? Now even the Dems are lining up to name airports after him. I think W has failed in a major way but it'll make him mediocre & put him somewhere in the middle of our list of presidents.
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Reply #27 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 4:43pm
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You can't make this stuff up! Depending on what the word "up" means...

http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764
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Reply #28 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 5:58pm
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I thought this thread was on global warming.  Man made global warming is pure bull shit.  The world has actually cooled in the last ten years.  Look it up.
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Reply #29 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 6:39pm
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yeah, that must why be the ice caps are disappearing


that's the ticket


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Reply #30 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 6:48pm
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lotsajizz wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 6:39pm:
yeah, that must why be the ice caps are disappearing


that's the ticket


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If that were true it would be one thing, but it's not. The ice caps in the artic may well be shrinking slowly, but that is almost certainly cyclical weather patterns. Yet if we look south to the Antartic just the opposite is true. The ice caps and ice shelfs in the South Pole are the largest on record, and still growing!


Here go see for yourself.


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html


The purple represents ice "growth" in just the last year!


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Human Causation of global warming is pure bullshit. Period.



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Reply #31 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 7:00pm
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Reply #32 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 7:03pm
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lotsajizz wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
you funny!




I guess you didn't like the link? I mean I know it's hard to argue facts, but at least you can do better than a two word nonsense reply.


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Reply #33 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 8:12pm
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Good thing our man Al is on the case!!


Oh, wait.....oops!


He's just a fucking hypocrite making millions off a sham that he continues to peddle, but who's watching the watcher?


http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764


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Energy Guzzled by Al Gore’s Home in Past Year Could Power 232 U.S. Homes for a Month
Gore’s personal electricity consumption up 10%, despite “energy-efficient” home renovations

NASHVILLE - In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

“A man’s commitment to his beliefs is best measured by what he does behind the closed doors of his own home,” said Drew Johnson, President of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research. “Al Gore is a hypocrite and a fraud when it comes to his commitment to the environment, judging by his home energy consumption.”

In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.

In February 2007, An Inconvenient Truth, a film based on a climate change speech developed by Gore, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore’s Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household.

After the Tennessee Center for Policy Research exposed Gore’s massive home energy use, the former Vice President scurried to make his home more energy-efficient. Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more efficient models, and overhauling the home’s windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the “green” overhaul.

Since taking steps to make his home more environmentally-friendly last June, Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations – at a cost of $16,533. By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration.

In the wake of becoming the most well-known global warming alarmist, Gore won an Oscar, a Grammy and the Nobel Peace Prize. In addition, Gore saw his personal wealth increase by an estimated $100 million thanks largely to speaking fees and investments related to global warming hysteria.

“Actions speak louder than words, and Gore’s actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity,” Johnson said. “Gore is exploiting the public’s concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.”

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a Nashville-based free market think tank and watchdog organization, obtained information about Gore’s home energy use through a public records request to the Nashville Electric Service.


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Reply #34 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 9:14pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 7:03pm:
at least you can do better than a two word nonsense reply.


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Reply #35 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 9:21pm
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lotsajizz wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 9:14pm:
Riffhard wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 7:03pm:
at least you can do better than a two word nonsense reply.


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Boy's got game! Shit game to be sure, but game all the same!


'Cause we all knows those satalite photos are prolly forged by some right-wing kook! Right Jizzy?


To quote you-"you funny!"




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Reply #36 - Jun 17th, 2008 at 9:50pm
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Riffhard wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 6:48pm:
lotsajizz wrote on Jun 17th, 2008 at 6:39pm:
yeah, that must why be the ice caps are disappearing


that's the ticket


OK now



If that were true it would be one thing, but it's not. The ice caps in the artic may well be shrinking slowly, but that is almost certainly cyclical weather patterns. Yet if we look south to the Antartic just the opposite is true. The ice caps and ice shelfs in the South Pole are the largest on record, and still growing!


Here go see for yourself.


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html


The purple represents ice "growth" in just the last year!


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Human Causation of global warming is pure bullshit. Period.



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Reply #37 - Jun 18th, 2008 at 8:01am
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WASHINGTON - For a quarter-century, drilling for oil and gas off nearly all the American coastline has been banned in part to protect tourism and to lessen the chances of beach-blackening spills.

Then gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon this summer. Drivers and others began clamoring for federal lawmakers to do something about the record price of oil, much of it produced in foreign countries.

In response, President Bush is renewing his call to open U.S. coastal waters to oil and gas development, arguing that it's high time to battle high prices with increased domestic production. He is planning to ask Congress on Wednesday to lift the drilling moratoria that have been in effect since 1981 in more than 80 percent of the country's Outer Continental Shelf and to let states help to decide where to allow drilling.

"The president believes Congress shouldn't waste any more time," White House press secretary Dana Perino told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "He will explicitly call on Congress to ... pass legislation lifting the congressional ban on safe, environmentally friendly offshore oil drilling."

For their part, some lawmakers have their own plan: Legislation that would continue the ban into late 2009 was scheduled to be considered Wednesday by the House Appropriations Committee.

Congressional Democrats, joined by some GOP lawmakers from coastal states, have opposed lifting the prohibition that has barred energy companies from waters along both the East and West coasts and in the eastern Gulf of Mexico for 27 years.

On Monday, GOP presidential candidate John McCain made lifting the federal ban on offshore oil and gas development a key part of his energy plan. McCain said states should be allowed to pursue energy exploration in waters near their coasts and get some of the royalty revenue.

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, opposes lifting the ban on offshore drilling and says that allowing exploration now wouldn't affect gasoline prices for at least five years.

McCain called for reform of the laws governing the oil futures trading market, and drew a standing ovation from his audience Wednesday when he repeated his day-old support for an end to the federal moratorium on offshore oil drilling. He favors allowing states to decide whether to explore offshore waters.

That drew a rebuttal from Obama, who said his opponent had switched positions from when he first ran for president in 2000. "I think he continues to find himself being pushed further and further to the right in ways that in my mind don't show a lot of leadership," he said.

Obama also said there is "no way that allowing offshore drilling would lower gas prices right now. At best you are looking at five years or more down the road."

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, energy secretary during the Clinton administration, called it "another bad idea."

"It's going to take 10 years to fully get that oil out of the ocean. It's a fragile ecosystem," he said on CBS's "The Early Show."

"You know this president, all he wants to do is drill, drill, drill. There is very little on conservation, on fuel efficiency for vehicles. Just last week the Congress failed to pass a solar tax credit — give more incentives to renewable energy, solar and wind. A one track mind — drill drill drill — that's not going to work," Richardson said.

The 574 million acres of federal coastal water that are off-limits are believed to hold nearly 18 billion barrels of undiscovered, recoverable oil and 77 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, according to the Interior Department. The country each year uses about 7.6 billion barrels of oil and 21 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

Perino said Bush also would reiterate his call for giving companies access to oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. McCain has opposed drilling in the refuge, maintaining that the pristine areas in northeastern Alaska should be protected from energy development.

In another development, Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida has dropped his long-standing support for the federal government's moratorium on offshore drilling and endorsed McCain's proposal to let states decide for themselves.

The governor said he reversed his position because of rising fuel prices and states' rights. "I mean, let's face it, the price of gas has gone through the roof, and Florida families are suffering," Crist said. "And my heart bleeds for them."

When Republicans held the majority, the House twice voted to lift the ban, only to have the legislation die in the Senate. The Senate last month by a 56-42 vote rejected a GOP energy plan that would have allowed states to avoid the federal ban if they wanted energy development off their coast.

Congress imposed the drilling moratorium in 1981 and has extended it each year since, by prohibiting the Interior Department from spending money on offshore oil or gas leases in virtually all coastal waters outside the western Gulf of Mexico and in some areas off Alaska.

President George H.W. Bush issued a parallel executive drilling ban in 1990, which was extended by President Clinton and then by the current president until 2012.

Bush has been considering lifting the executive ban as a symbolic move to get Congress to take action, but he decided against doing so for the time being, said an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because internal deliberations were involved.

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" Then gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon this summer. Drivers and others began clamoring for federal lawmakers to do something about the record price of oil, much of it produced in foreign countries.

In response, President Bush is renewing his call to open U.S. coastal waters to oil and gas development, arguing that it's high time ... "


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Democrats reject Bush's call to lift ban on offshore oil drilling

Congressional Democrats were quick to reject the push for lifting the drilling moratorium, saying oil companies already have 68 million acres offshore waters under lease that are not being developed.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Bush's proposals "another page from (an)... energy policy that was literally written by the oil industry — give away more public resources."

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee, rejected lifting the drilling moratorium that has been supported by a succession of presidents for nearly two decades.

"This is not something that's going to give consumers short-term relief and it is not a long-term solution to our problems with fossil fuels generally and oil in particular," said Obama. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, lumping Bush with McCain, accused them of staging a "cynical campaign ploy" that won't help lower energy prices.

"Despite what President Bush, John McCain and their friends in the oil industry claim, we cannot drill our way out of this problem," Reid said. "The math is simple: America has just three percent of the world's oil reserves, but Americans use a quarter of its oil."


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" Congressional Democrats were quick to reject the push for lifting the drilling moratorium, saying oil companies already have 68 million acres offshore waters under lease that are not being developed. "

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" I wish jb would quit being such a douchebag "


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