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Re: Are The Stones Negotiating Now?... from Ian
Reply #25 - Jun 6^th, 2008 at 10:47am

Whether there is another tour, and at what scale, will determine if the Stones truly do it because they love to play live.--will a certain someone's ego allow for smaller venues/cheaper ticket prices? With this economy, and judging from the few sell-outs last go-round, he better put that thing on a leash...

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Reply #26 - Jun 6^th, 2008 at 12:11pm

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 8:32am:

and keep in mind, the problem with your main point about the economy - though a valid one (and if you wanna know about living in shit, live in the UK gordon browns gonna tax tax soon! lol) have you noticed all or most ppl on tour are charging astronomical amounts of money, neil young, and tom waits and dylan for example, and they know they can do it too, and sure look at live nation paying $100m for madonna and $150m for jay-z, they know ppl will go to see them, u'no, ppl will work extra shifts or borrow money or steal just to see their favourite band or artist, esp if -like the stones - it could be the last time they see them live
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Except a lot of the ticket sales from the last few tours were more than likely purchased on credit, and there is less of that to go around. As far as "favourite band" goes, a lot of the die hards have been shoved aside over the past decade and that's not who have been primarily filling the seats in recent years.

Ticket sales are way down in the U.S., even the Police who last year were among the top tours of all time are selling only a fraction of the seats this year.

Only Radiohead and a couple of country tours are filling venues to the brim. There are still successful tours but things are obviously on the wane across the board. Not really sure how $200-500 tickets would do in this climate by a band who has been almost perpetually on tour the last decade.

They could do it but would probably have to keep it in arenas and with less dates than the past few tours. Like 30-40 shows instead of 75 to keep demand up.

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Re: Are The Stones Negotiating Now?... from Ian
Reply #27 - Jun 7^th, 2008 at 11:20am

gimmekeef wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 8:58am:

U2 have a new album ready to release and with no Zep or Stones could have the field to themelves and yet so far no tour announcement.With bands putting tickets on sale months ahead of time Im thinking the economics arent favorable in the US now.

No name, no firm info, but a partial track list….

No Line On The Horizon” - Bono and Edge played this song for a USA Today writer during an in-the-car interview at the Sundance Film Festival. On hearing it, writer Anthony Breznican says “heavy distortion fills the car,” and later adds: “The song is rough, weaving between brutal guitar blasts underscoring the mellow title refrain.” Edge explains that the song “It came out of a new distortion box that my guitar tech got.”
Unknown Title - in the same interview with Anthony Breznican, Bono and Edge played a second song whose opening lyric is, “It’s six o’clock…”. Bono tells Breznican that numbers are significant in each of the new songs.
“If I Could Live My Life Again” - Bono says this song is “inspired by the great Argentinian poet Jorge Luis Borges.” Bono said he had just begun the song while speaking with author Michka Assayas in December, 2005. Their interview appears as the extra material in the paperback version of Bono in Conversation with Michka Assayas.
“Love Is All We Have Left” - a song Bono named during his May, 2006, trip to Africa as one that he had recently written. “It’s like an old Broadway tune. I thought it was a Frank Sinatra song,” Bono said.
“North Star,” a song from the How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb sessions which included a guest organ appearance from Michael W. Smith. In this CCM article, Smith describes the song as a tribute to Johnny Cash.
“Mercy“, one of the last songs to get cut from How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, described in Blender magazine as “a six-and-a-half-minute outpouring of U2 at its most uninhibitedly U2-ish”
“Lead Me In The Way I Should Go” — a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in this February, 2003, interview with Bono in Grammy Magazine
“You Can’t Give Away Your Heart” - a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in SPIN magazine

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Re: Are The Stones Negotiating Now?... from Ian
Reply #28 - Jun 7^th, 2008 at 12:02pm

luxury wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 10:47am:

Whether there is another tour, and at what scale, will determine if the Stones truly do it because they love to play live.--will a certain someone's ego allow for smaller venues/cheaper ticket prices? With this economy, and judging from the few sell-outs last go-round, he better put that thing on a leash...

this is true.

You could conceivablyhave the scenario that given the choice between having to downscale in case the demand isnt what it used to be or not playing at all, they choose the latter option.

An ultimatum like that doesnt tend to be much of an incentive for a band who always feel like they have to outdo (and outgross) everything that's gone before.

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Reply #29 - Jun 7^th, 2008 at 12:04pm

Some Guy wrote on Jun 7^th, 2008 at 11:20am:

“North Star,” a song from the How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb sessions which included a guest organ appearance from Michael W. Smith. In this CCM article, Smith describes the song as a tribute to Johnny Cash.

Interesting if true, as the title is a direct lift from Bob Dylan's quote on the news of Cash's death - "Johnny was like the North Star".

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Reply #30 - Jun 7^th, 2008 at 4:26pm

Gazza wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 10:21am:

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 8:32am:

have you noticed all or most ppl on tour are charging astronomical amounts of money, neil young, and tom waits and dylan for example, and they know they can do it too, and sure look at live nation paying $100m for madonna and $150m for jay-z, they know ppl will go to see them, u'no, ppl will work extra shifts or borrow money or steal just to see their favourite band or artist, esp if -like the stones - it could be the last time they see them live

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Dylan does not and never has charged "astronomical amounts of money" for shows in the UK (and unlike Neil Young & Tom Waits (both of whom only play here once every few years) he isnt playing the UK this year anyway). His most recent UK shows last year had prices of £37.50 and £32.50. And there was a free priority ticket allocation for the 'hardcore' fans, so I got seats in the front 6 rows for the three arena shows I bought tickets for. It ended up even costing me less than what most fans paid for because I didnt have to get the tickets through ticketmaster.

Waits and Young charged high prices for shows in THEATRES. Its still cheaper than what the Stones and Madonna charge for nosebleeds in a stadium. (Young at Manchester Apollo - £65 and £75, I think. Waits in Edinburgh - £95 and £75.). Those venues hold 2,500 - 3,000 people.

Not everyone feels the need to push ticket prices through the roof or screw their fans with $100 presales (where the best tickets are siphoned off to brokers and overpriced travel companies). Springsteen and Prince being the obvious examples when it comes to artists who can fill large arenas or stadiums and who can make their shows very affordable.

I wasnt citing dylans ticket charges in the UK, i had read on - actualy i think it was the last incarnation of Rock's Off that he was charging like $150 somewhere in south america i think, thats were i meant, and i think it was that or higher in spain i think

but i get your point

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Re: Are The Stones Negotiating Now?... from Ian
Reply #31 - Jun 7^th, 2008 at 5:06pm

Yes..his prices in Latin America earlier this year were pretty exorbitant, by his standards.

I think thats quite normal there for visiting acts now. Long way to travel, and they still have to get their 'guarantee', so its the fans who get it in the neck, which isnt really too pleasant when its in a country where average incomes are considerably lower than in America or western Europe.

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Reply #32 - Jun 8^th, 2008 at 12:31am

Down here, we have absolutely no one in a the A grade league due to tour. Original Judas Priest line up is coming and thats about it. Our dollar is more or less on parity with the greenback, but our distance is a factor with high fuel costs. I doubt we'll get a major tour in the next 12 - 18 months. McCartney was rumoured, but he burnt alot of people off when he cancelled last time (citing the Bali bombing when in fact his ticket sales were way below expectations) and he'd cop some awful questions if he got here. But most Beatle fanatics are in old folks homes, or smashed hard by rising petrol, council rate increases, interest rate increases and rising fucking inflation, so i dont think a tour by that cardigan wearing ponce would be a success.

Unless the Stones tour America by train (or hybrid semi trailers with solar panels on the roof), then forget them going out again any time soon. I really think if they do anything, it will be next year and it will be a farewell tour. There just is no new stuff coming. Some people need to get that dream out of their head. It's not worth it for anyone. Keith is tapped out of any ideas. They have no deal. No sign of a deal. They have not hit a studio in 3 years. SAL took a bit of time to come through as well. That was supposed to be out mid last year. Dunno what the delay was. I hope SAL is their swansong. What else is there to do? The industry has evolved so much, that any new release would probably undersell ABB by 50%. That aint a good look, is it?

Another factor, apart from fuel, is insurance for a tour. With their ages and (possible) illnesses now a very real factor, insurance would go through the roof. This all leads to higher ticket prices, which leads to people whining about ticket prices (like 90% of this board) and less people attending.

I cant see why they just dont do a massive free show in NYC, or maybe Hyde Park as well, and say goodbye and release all the juicy old stuff we are really waiting for.

Do i want a new album??

Or some hidden gems and alternate versions & blu-ray release of L&G???

The latter, my international compadres. The latter.

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Re: Are The Stones Negotiating Now?... from Ian
Reply #33 - Jun 8^th, 2008 at 3:25am

I am sure they are starting to negotiate, or at least approach, or be approached with new deals.

You see, Mr. Mick Jagger knows The Rolling Stones record contract is up.

He will, and most likely has been looking over options and is about ready to make some moves.

He would never let them sit idle with no direction, with no contract, and no current lable ...unless, and hopefully not he is looking into a solo effort and/or is taking his early and mid 1980's outlook to The Stones future... but again I highly, highly doubt it. I do not think Mick will ever go to that extent again in dismissing The Stones.

As far as a new solo album in itself for Mick seems unlikely at this point and time and I have heard nothing of such.

So you can believe Mick is on this and stuff is a brewing.

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Reply #34 - Jun 8^th, 2008 at 10:56am

Some Guy wrote on Jun 7^th, 2008 at 11:20am:

gimmekeef wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 8:58am:

U2 have a new album ready to release and with no Zep or Stones could have the field to themelves and yet so far no tour announcement.With bands putting tickets on sale months ahead of time Im thinking the economics arent favorable in the US now.

No name, no firm info, but a partial track list….

No Line On The Horizon” - Bono and Edge played this song for a USA Today writer during an in-the-car interview at the Sundance Film Festival. On hearing it, writer Anthony Breznican says “heavy distortion fills the car,” and later adds: “The song is rough, weaving between brutal guitar blasts underscoring the mellow title refrain.” Edge explains that the song “It came out of a new distortion box that my guitar tech got.”
Unknown Title - in the same interview with Anthony Breznican, Bono and Edge played a second song whose opening lyric is, “It’s six o’clock…”. Bono tells Breznican that numbers are significant in each of the new songs.
“If I Could Live My Life Again” - Bono says this song is “inspired by the great Argentinian poet Jorge Luis Borges.” Bono said he had just begun the song while speaking with author Michka Assayas in December, 2005. Their interview appears as the extra material in the paperback version of Bono in Conversation with Michka Assayas.
“Love Is All We Have Left” - a song Bono named during his May, 2006, trip to Africa as one that he had recently written. “It’s like an old Broadway tune. I thought it was a Frank Sinatra song,” Bono said.
“North Star,” a song from the How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb sessions which included a guest organ appearance from Michael W. Smith. In this CCM article, Smith describes the song as a tribute to Johnny Cash.
“Mercy“, one of the last songs to get cut from How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, described in Blender magazine as “a six-and-a-half-minute outpouring of U2 at its most uninhibitedly U2-ish”
“Lead Me In The Way I Should Go” — a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in this February, 2003, interview with Bono in Grammy Magazine
“You Can’t Give Away Your Heart” - a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in SPIN magazine

So its mostly left overs ala Tattoo You.?..U2 copies the Stones again!.What will they call it? Voodoo Poo?.lmaooo

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Reply #40 - Jun 9^th, 2008 at 2:31pm

Some Guy wrote on Jun 7^th, 2008 at 11:20am:

gimmekeef wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 8:58am:

U2 have a new album ready to release and with no Zep or Stones could have the field to themelves and yet so far no tour announcement.With bands putting tickets on sale months ahead of time Im thinking the economics arent favorable in the US now.

No name, no firm info, but a partial track list….

No Line On The Horizon” - Bono and Edge played this song for a USA Today writer during an in-the-car interview at the Sundance Film Festival. On hearing it, writer Anthony Breznican says “heavy distortion fills the car,” and later adds: “The song is rough, weaving between brutal guitar blasts underscoring the mellow title refrain.” Edge explains that the song “It came out of a new distortion box that my guitar tech got.”
Unknown Title - in the same interview with Anthony Breznican, Bono and Edge played a second song whose opening lyric is, “It’s six o’clock…”. Bono tells Breznican that numbers are significant in each of the new songs.
“If I Could Live My Life Again” - Bono says this song is “inspired by the great Argentinian poet Jorge Luis Borges.” Bono said he had just begun the song while speaking with author Michka Assayas in December, 2005. Their interview appears as the extra material in the paperback version of Bono in Conversation with Michka Assayas.
“Love Is All We Have Left” - a song Bono named during his May, 2006, trip to Africa as one that he had recently written. “It’s like an old Broadway tune. I thought it was a Frank Sinatra song,” Bono said.
“North Star,” a song from the How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb sessions which included a guest organ appearance from Michael W. Smith. In this CCM article, Smith describes the song as a tribute to Johnny Cash.
“Mercy“, one of the last songs to get cut from How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, described in Blender magazine as “a six-and-a-half-minute outpouring of U2 at its most uninhibitedly U2-ish”
“Lead Me In The Way I Should Go” — a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in this February, 2003, interview with Bono in Grammy Magazine
“You Can’t Give Away Your Heart” - a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in SPIN magazine

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Reply #41 - Jun 9^th, 2008 at 2:36pm

mojoman wrote on Jun 9^th, 2008 at 2:31pm:

Some Guy wrote on Jun 7^th, 2008 at 11:20am:

gimmekeef wrote on Jun 6^th, 2008 at 8:58am:

U2 have a new album ready to release and with no Zep or Stones could have the field to themelves and yet so far no tour announcement.With bands putting tickets on sale months ahead of time Im thinking the economics arent favorable in the US now.

No name, no firm info, but a partial track list….

No Line On The Horizon” - Bono and Edge played this song for a USA Today writer during an in-the-car interview at the Sundance Film Festival. On hearing it, writer Anthony Breznican says “heavy distortion fills the car,” and later adds: “The song is rough, weaving between brutal guitar blasts underscoring the mellow title refrain.” Edge explains that the song “It came out of a new distortion box that my guitar tech got.”
Unknown Title - in the same interview with Anthony Breznican, Bono and Edge played a second song whose opening lyric is, “It’s six o’clock…”. Bono tells Breznican that numbers are significant in each of the new songs.
“If I Could Live My Life Again” - Bono says this song is “inspired by the great Argentinian poet Jorge Luis Borges.” Bono said he had just begun the song while speaking with author Michka Assayas in December, 2005. Their interview appears as the extra material in the paperback version of Bono in Conversation with Michka Assayas.
“Love Is All We Have Left” - a song Bono named during his May, 2006, trip to Africa as one that he had recently written. “It’s like an old Broadway tune. I thought it was a Frank Sinatra song,” Bono said.
“North Star,” a song from the How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb sessions which included a guest organ appearance from Michael W. Smith. In this CCM article, Smith describes the song as a tribute to Johnny Cash.
“Mercy“, one of the last songs to get cut from How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, described in Blender magazine as “a six-and-a-half-minute outpouring of U2 at its most uninhibitedly U2-ish”
“Lead Me In The Way I Should Go” — a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in this February, 2003, interview with Bono in Grammy Magazine
“You Can’t Give Away Your Heart” - a contender for Atomic Bomb first mentioned in SPIN magazine

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Reply #46 - Jun 10^th, 2008 at 10:12am

" Down here, we have absolutely no one in a the A grade league due to tour. Original Judas Priest line up is coming and thats about it. Our dollar is more or less on parity with the greenback, but our distance is a factor with high fuel costs. I doubt we'll get a major tour in the next 12 - 18 months. McCartney was rumoured, but he burnt alot of people off when he cancelled last time (citing the Bali bombing when in fact his ticket sales were way below expectations) and he'd cop some awful questions if he got here. But most Beatle fanatics are in old folks homes, or smashed hard by rising petrol, council rate increases, interest rate increases and rising fucking inflation, so i dont think a tour by that cardigan wearing ponce would be a success. "

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Joey wrote on Jun 10^th, 2008 at 10:12am:

" Down here, we have absolutely no one in a the A grade league due to tour. Original Judas Priest line up is coming and thats about it. Our dollar is more or less on parity with the greenback, but our distance is a factor with high fuel costs. I doubt we'll get a major tour in the next 12 - 18 months. McCartney was rumoured, but he burnt alot of people off when he cancelled last time (citing the Bali bombing when in fact his ticket sales were way below expectations) and he'd cop some awful questions if he got here. But most Beatle fanatics are in old folks homes, or smashed hard by rising petrol, council rate increases, interest rate increases and rising fucking inflation, so i dont think a tour by that cardigan wearing ponce would be a success. "

Corgi ....

Macca AND The Eagles will be touring this late summer / fall / winter -- look for an Australian Date soon -- BEST MACCA YET !!! .. UNFRIGGIN BELIEVABLE Eagles YET !!!!!

According to Rolling Stone Magazine [ www.RollingStone.com ] , more than 1/2 of The Eagles concert set is devoted to their new album ( over ten million copies sold in the United States alone ..... ) . Corgi , the new Eagles disc is outstanding and is the finest piece of music I have heard since Tattoo You . Word .

Please see these cats and thank me later ....

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" As far as egos go. I think the Jagger-Richards variety is such that couldn't stand to be without a major label contract, so long as they continue touring "

You raise an interesting point there my Stonesian Brother .

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