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Re: [NSC] Why Obama is Unfit to Be President
Reply #150 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:15pm
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Does O'Bama know anyone well? He's constantly getting let down by those people that he truted & loved. It's sad, no?


May not be a lot going on between those Dumbo ears.Wait till Rev Al and Jesse get wound up then the poop will fly.Sad its come down to such lame choices on either side when the issues demand truly a leader with impeccable skills.

We have 2 choices this year: another neophyte or a man of considerable experience & depth. Uh, I think I know which one is my choice.



My problem with McCain is that he is clearly telling conservatives to fuck off. His stance on drilling and refining our own oil for example. His stand on illegal immigration as well. His stand on tax cuts, which he just rercently saw the light on. His stand on GITMO.

I will vote for him, but I wil hold my nose while doing so. At least he is strong on defense and foriegn policy. Obama? Not so much.


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Riffhard wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:15pm:
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Does O'Bama know anyone well? He's constantly getting let down by those people that he truted & loved. It's sad, no?


May not be a lot going on between those Dumbo ears.Wait till Rev Al and Jesse get wound up then the poop will fly.Sad its come down to such lame choices on either side when the issues demand truly a leader with impeccable skills.

We have 2 choices this year: another neophyte or a man of considerable experience & depth. Uh, I think I know which one is my choice.



My problem with McCain is that he is clearly telling conservatives to fuck off. His stance on drilling and refining our own oil for example. His stand on illegal immigration as well. His stand on tax cuts, which he just rercently saw the light on. His stand on GITMO.

I will vote for him, but I wil hold my nose while doing so. At least he is strong on defense and foriegn policy. Obama? Not so much.


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You'll never get a candidate that you're 100% happy with, Riff. I like McCain a lot more than I liked W but I still supported W when he won the nomination in 2000.
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Reply #152 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:23pm
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Guys...would you agree the issues facing America and her allies are as tough as we may have seen in our lifetime? I mean I feel its so bad we need to have someone inspiring with new vision and ideas.I just dont see it anywhere right now and holding my nose to vote is so scary..anyway....The Congressional largesse must be stopped but that too seems so hopeless.Fuck wheres the fridge.
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Reply #153 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:26pm
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Does O'Bama know anyone well? He's constantly getting let down by those people that he truted & loved. It's sad, no?


May not be a lot going on between those Dumbo ears.Wait till Rev Al and Jesse get wound up then the poop will fly.Sad its come down to such lame choices on either side when the issues demand truly a leader with impeccable skills.

We have 2 choices this year: another neophyte or a man of considerable experience & depth. Uh, I think I know which one is my choice.



My problem with McCain is that he is clearly telling conservatives to fuck off. His stance on drilling and refining our own oil for example. His stand on illegal immigration as well. His stand on tax cuts, which he just rercently saw the light on. His stand on GITMO.

I will vote for him, but I wil hold my nose while doing so. At least he is strong on defense and foriegn policy. Obama? Not so much.


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You'll never get a candidate that you're 100% happy with, Riff. I like McCain a lot more than I liked W but I still supported W when he won the nomination in 2000.


I too shall support McCain for the nomination Blue. I'm just not pretending, like some here, that he is a conservative. He's not! Never has been. He made his name in DC by being a "maverick". On certain issues? Sure. But not on many of them.

We need another Ronaldus Magnus badly! I'm keeping my eye on Bobby Jindal in Louisianna. That guy is great. Have you heard hinm Blue? The guy sounds like Reagan part deux! He's great. Give him a few years and I think that he may well lead another conservative revolution. It's a fact that every time conservatism is tried it wins, and it works. McCain seemingly dosen't get that fact. For that matter niether has Bush Sr. or Bush Jr.


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Reply #154 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:50pm
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gimmekeef wrote on Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:23pm:
Guys...would you agree the issues facing America and her allies are as tough as we may have seen in our lifetime? I mean I feel its so bad we need to have someone inspiring with new vision and ideas.I just dont see it anywhere right now and holding my nose to vote is so scary..anyway....The Congressional largesse must be stopped but that too seems so hopeless.Fuck wheres the fridge.

No, I think the issues when we were facing down the USSR were more pressing than today. The economy isn't great but it still rumbles along, students are learning more, our environment is much cleaner & the market will take care of the huge rise in oil prices. I think we're actually doing fairly well if it wasn't for W fucking up that war!
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Riffy, I've been following Jindal since he had a Senate election stolen form him back in 2002. He's a good guy & whip smart. I suspect he posts at www.maxlugar.com on occasion.
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From Times Online June 5, 2008



His 1964 track 'The Times They are a-Changin' became the anthem for his generation, symbolising the era-defining social struggle against the establishment.

Now Bob Dylan - who could justifiably claim to be the architect of Barack Obama's 'change' catchphrase - has backed the Illinois senator to do for modern America what the generation before did in the 1960s.

In an exclusive interview with The Times, published today, Dylan gives a ringing endorsement to Mr Obama, the first ever black presidential candidate, claiming he is "redefining the nature of politics from the ground up".


Dylan, 67, made the comments when being interviewed in Denmark, where he stopped over in a hotel during a tour of Scandinavia.

Asked about his views on American politics, he said: "Well, you know right now America is in a state of upheaval. Poverty is demoralising. You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor.

"But we've got this guy out there now who is redefining the nature of politics from the ground up...Barack Obama.

"He's redefining what a politician is, so we'll have to see how things play out. Am I hopeful? Yes, I'm hopeful that things might change. Some things are going to have to."

He added: “You should always take the best from the past, leave the worst back there and go forward into the future."

Dylan's endorsement contains much symbolic significance. The legendary singer-songwriter, who has an art exhibition opening in London next week, became a focal point for young people worldwide when he released the album 'The times they are a-changin'," including the famous song of that name, in 1964.

The track, which he wrote as the social liberation of the '60s astonished politicians and parents, included lines urging people to accept and embrace what was happening around them.

Memorable lines included: "Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call. Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall," and: "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land, and don't criticise what you can't understand. Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly agin'."












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Reply #157 - Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am
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Well Hillary is definitely out now. Trouble is Mccain is just so "out of touch" and stuck in his ways. I just can't see him cutting the mustard at all. As president, in the debates or the election.

Obama will swamp him at the debates, ESPECIALLY at the town hall meetings Mccain specifically requested.

In this less formal "chancy" and open debate scenario he has permanently sealed his fate truthfully.
He would do better if their was more room for the mediators to step in or conduct more order in a more formal debate.

I thought a month ago that Obama "could" win against Mccain but it would be really tough. I figured Hillary would have much better chance (and I still do if she would of been elected). However with the fragility of Mccains temper, his recent demeanor, and his speaking over all as of real recently I just can't see him getting through this well. I do see Obama in the exact opposite light at the debates and for the most part in his comments from here on out. If Obama does not royally screw it up for himself, or if nothing is uncovered about him from now till the election he will have it pretty easy.


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Reply #158 - Jun 12th, 2008 at 9:19am
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I think we're actually doing fairly well if it wasn't for W fucking up that war!


finally! a rightie admits fault!

the world and america would be a much better and safer place if not for W's failed iraq campaign!
you made a grown man cry
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Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
Well Hillary is definitely out now. Trouble is Mccain is just so "out of touch" and stuck in his ways. I just can't see him cutting the mustard at all. As president, in the debates or the election.

Obama will swamp him at the debates, ESPECIALLY at the town hall meetings Mccain specifically requested.

In this less formal "chancy" and open debate scenario he has permanently sealed his fate truthfully.
He would do better if their was more room for the mediators to step in or conduct more order in a more formal debate.

I thought a month ago that Obama "could" win against Mccain but it would be really tough. I figured Hillary would have much better chance (and I still do if she would of been elected). However with the fragility of Mccains temper, his recent demeanor, and his speaking over all as of real recently I just can't see him getting through this well. I do see Obama in the exact opposite light at the debates and for the most part in his comments from here on out. If Obama does not royally screw it up for himself, or if nothing is uncovered about him from now till the election he will have it pretty easy.


Ian

At least McCain is a man of substance.  Obammie is just a fuckin' charlatan.

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Talk about putting your most valuable where your mouth is! Apparently this was not 'newsworthy' enough for the media to comment about. Can either of the other presidential candidates truthfully come close to this? ... Just a question for each of us to seek an answer, and not a statement.

You see...character is what's shown when the public is not looking. There were no cameras or press invited to what you are about to read about, and the story comes from one person in New Hampshire.

One evening last July, Senator John McCain of Arizona arrived at the New Hampshire home of Erin Flanagan for sandwiches, chocolate-chip cookies and a heartfelt talk about Iraq. They had met at a presidential debate, when she asked the candidates what they would do to bring home American soldiers - - soldiers like her brother, who had been killed in action a few months earlier.

Mr. McCain did not bring cameras or press. Instead, he brought his youngest son, James McCain, 19, then a private first class in the Marine Corps about to leave for Iraq. Father and son sat down to hear more about Ms. Flanagan's brother Michael Cleary, a 24-year-old Army First Lieutenant killed by an ambush ... a roadside bomb.

No one mentioned the obvious: In just days, Jimmy McCain could face similar perils. 'I can't imagine what it must have been like for them as they were coming to meet with a family that ......' Ms. Flanagan recalled, choking up. 'We lost a dear one,' she finished.

Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq. What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son, who spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province and learned of his father's New Hampshire victory in January while he was digging a stuck military vehicle out of the mud.

Two of Jimmy's three older brothers went into the military. Doug McCain, 48, was a Navy pilot. Jack McCain, 21, is to graduate from the Naval Academy next year, raising the chances that his father, if elected, could become the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower with a son at war.

I chose to share this with those who I believe will pass it on, to others who will pass it on. We hear so much inflated trash out there. How about a simple act of kindness ... and dedication to others placed above oneself? 

Has anybody heard if Barack Hussein Obama has served in The American Armed Services? 



From Barack's book, Audacity of Hope:

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'   

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why does the US Supreme Court love the terrorists?
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mojoman wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:18am:
why does the US Supreme Court love the terrorists?


They are merely again stating that the laws should be followed.Bring the charges and the trials of these people and stop hiding them on some Island.Hasnt it been long enough to determine a case against them?Pcosecute them fully and let justice take its course and execute the guilty if appropriate and set any innocent free.
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Reply #162 - Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:39am
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gimmekeef wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:35am:
mojoman wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:18am:
why does the US Supreme Court love the terrorists?


They are merely again stating that the laws should be followed.Bring the charges and the trials of these people and stop hiding them on some Island.Hasnt it been long enough to determine a case against them?Pcosecute them fully and let justice take its course and execute the guilty if appropriate and set any innocent free.


Exactly!!
We DO have a Constitution and "King George" has been reminded of it by a rather right-tilted Supreme Court.

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NAW, joey!

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Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
Well Hillary is definitely out now. Trouble is Mccain is just so "out of touch" and stuck in his ways. I just can't see him cutting the mustard at all. As president, in the debates or the election.

Obama will swamp him at the debates, ESPECIALLY at the town hall meetings Mccain specifically requested.

In this less formal "chancy" and open debate scenario he has permanently sealed his fate truthfully.
He would do better if their was more room for the mediators to step in or conduct more order in a more formal debate.

I thought a month ago that Obama "could" win against Mccain but it would be really tough. I figured Hillary would have much better chance (and I still do if she would of been elected). However with the fragility of Mccains temper, his recent demeanor, and his speaking over all as of real recently I just can't see him getting through this well. I do see Obama in the exact opposite light at the debates and for the most part in his comments from here on out. If Obama does not royally screw it up for himself, or if nothing is uncovered about him from now till the election he will have it pretty easy.


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Actually Obama isn't all that great either without a prepared speech. McCain can respond well to questions but not so well with a prepared speech which is why I imagine he made the challenge.
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"  ................. and big troubles "

Lord Jesus Christ, You chose to share our human nature, to redeem all people, and to heal the sick. With this in mind I beg You to look with compassion on Your humble servant Mr.L, support him with Your power, comfort him with Your protection, and give him the strength needed to fight against evil. Since You have given Mr.L., a share in Your own passion, help them to find hope in suffering for You, Jesus.

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Wild Bill wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 10:07am:
Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
Well Hillary is definitely out now. Trouble is Mccain is just so "out of touch" and stuck in his ways. I just can't see him cutting the mustard at all. As president, in the debates or the election.

Obama will swamp him at the debates, ESPECIALLY at the town hall meetings Mccain specifically requested.

In this less formal "chancy" and open debate scenario he has permanently sealed his fate truthfully.
He would do better if their was more room for the mediators to step in or conduct more order in a more formal debate.

I thought a month ago that Obama "could" win against Mccain but it would be really tough. I figured Hillary would have much better chance (and I still do if she would of been elected). However with the fragility of Mccains temper, his recent demeanor, and his speaking over all as of real recently I just can't see him getting through this well. I do see Obama in the exact opposite light at the debates and for the most part in his comments from here on out. If Obama does not royally screw it up for himself, or if nothing is uncovered about him from now till the election he will have it pretty easy.


Ian

At least McCain is a man of substance.  Obammie is just a fuckin' charlatan.

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Subject:  John McCain's Sons

Talk about putting your most valuable where your mouth is! Apparently this was not 'newsworthy' enough for the media to comment about. Can either of the other presidential candidates truthfully come close to this? ... Just a question for each of us to seek an answer, and not a statement.

You see...character is what's shown when the public is not looking. There were no cameras or press invited to what you are about to read about, and the story comes from one person in New Hampshire.

One evening last July, Senator John McCain of Arizona arrived at the New Hampshire home of Erin Flanagan for sandwiches, chocolate-chip cookies and a heartfelt talk about Iraq. They had met at a presidential debate, when she asked the candidates what they would do to bring home American soldiers - - soldiers like her brother, who had been killed in action a few months earlier.

Mr. McCain did not bring cameras or press. Instead, he brought his youngest son, James McCain, 19, then a private first class in the Marine Corps about to leave for Iraq. Father and son sat down to hear more about Ms. Flanagan's brother Michael Cleary, a 24-year-old Army First Lieutenant killed by an ambush ... a roadside bomb.

No one mentioned the obvious: In just days, Jimmy McCain could face similar perils. 'I can't imagine what it must have been like for them as they were coming to meet with a family that ......' Ms. Flanagan recalled, choking up. 'We lost a dear one,' she finished.

Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq. What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son, who spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province and learned of his father's New Hampshire victory in January while he was digging a stuck military vehicle out of the mud.

Two of Jimmy's three older brothers went into the military. Doug McCain, 48, was a Navy pilot. Jack McCain, 21, is to graduate from the Naval Academy next year, raising the chances that his father, if elected, could become the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower with a son at war.

I chose to share this with those who I believe will pass it on, to others who will pass it on. We hear so much inflated trash out there. How about a simple act of kindness ... and dedication to others placed above oneself? 

Has anybody heard if Barack Hussein Obama has served in The American Armed Services? 



From Barack's book, Audacity of Hope:

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'   

HE DID NOT SAY STAND WITH AMERICANS


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I did not say, or think MCcain does not beleive in his thought s and views. I am totally convinced he does.
I also realize Mccain will "tell you how it is". I don't think he is phony in the least. Those are the best qualities ANY politician could ever have the stouthearted realness to actually have. That is his true benefit. 

I just think his policies are just too much in line with the current Presidents. Not only on our Military, but on the economy as well. Also, I cannot see him being as versatile or able to change direction or his approach should something not work. He seems just too stuck in his ways.

What is this line referring to in Obama's book? Can you fill me in? Is it taken out of context? Just curious.


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ijwthstd wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 2:31pm:
Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
Well Hillary is definitely out now. Trouble is Mccain is just so "out of touch" and stuck in his ways. I just can't see him cutting the mustard at all. As president, in the debates or the election.

Obama will swamp him at the debates, ESPECIALLY at the town hall meetings Mccain specifically requested.

In this less formal "chancy" and open debate scenario he has permanently sealed his fate truthfully.
He would do better if their was more room for the mediators to step in or conduct more order in a more formal debate.

I thought a month ago that Obama "could" win against Mccain but it would be really tough. I figured Hillary would have much better chance (and I still do if she would of been elected). However with the fragility of Mccains temper, his recent demeanor, and his speaking over all as of real recently I just can't see him getting through this well. I do see Obama in the exact opposite light at the debates and for the most part in his comments from here on out. If Obama does not royally screw it up for himself, or if nothing is uncovered about him from now till the election he will have it pretty easy.


Ian



Actually Obama isn't all that great either without a prepared speech. McCain can respond well to questions but not so well with a prepared speech which is why I imagine he made the challenge.


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I KNOW!!! THANK YOU. I have told this to folks all along. Obama is "Ok" but nothing really outstanding in a live debate. Hillary was actually a little  better at knowing what she is talking about, and having facts to back it up, and responding perfectly "off the cuff". Thing is Hillary was such a turn-off.

But I can see Mccain getting angry pretty fast there were as in something more formal it may be smoothed over.

If Mccain looses his temper. This ones over. I am sure he is not going to swear or anything but if he gets visibly pretty angry people will flock the other way. This is the direction of America right now anyway.

Just my honest thoughts.

Ian
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Ian Billen wrote on Jun 12th, 2008 at 3:36am:
Well Hillary is definitely out now. Trouble is Mccain is just so "out of touch" and stuck in his ways. I just can't see him cutting the mustard at all. As president, in the debates or the election.

Obama will swamp him at the debates, ESPECIALLY at the town hall meetings Mccain specifically requested.

In this less formal "chancy" and open debate scenario he has permanently sealed his fate truthfully.
He would do better if their was more room for the mediators to step in or conduct more order in a more formal debate.

I thought a month ago that Obama "could" win against Mccain but it would be really tough. I figured Hillary would have much better chance (and I still do if she would of been elected). However with the fragility of Mccains temper, his recent demeanor, and his speaking over all as of real recently I just can't see him getting through this well. I do see Obama in the exact opposite light at the debates and for the most part in his comments from here on out. If Obama does not royally screw it up for himself, or if nothing is uncovered about him from now till the election he will have it pretty easy.


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Please don't take offense but your posts on politics are even dumber than your posts on the Stones recording process.
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I think we're actually doing fairly well if it wasn't for W fucking up that war!


finally! a rightie admits fault!

the world and america would be a much better and safer place if not for W's failed iraq campaign!
you made a grown man cry

My problem isn't with the initial war but with the Bremerist fuck-ups that followed. I support the surge & I don't think we can leave & hope for the best.
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