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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2075 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:28pm

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I think the Stones start tours with slight bells & whistles & they usually last for exactly one show & then get dumped.

You think ? I know they did exactly that in '94 when they had the stiltwalkers and then they briefly had that daft thing on the No security tour when Mick was in a cage (which was very out of context on a tour which was intended to have things stripped down) but generally the stage concept or 'theme' has been an integral part of a tour from beginning to end - be it inflatables, on stage seating (or rather 'above stage standing' as it should have been called although they DID give that up as a bad job for the 2007 leg), b-stages, cherrypickers etc.

I can understand WHY they do it - because if they're playing some stadium the size of Wembley or the Maracana they want to give people 150 yards away something to look at - but sometimes it can take away from the music TOO much. I think most of us by now have seen it enough times and would prefer the shows to be stripped down and downsized a bit, though.

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2076 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:31pm

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 4:39pm:

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Any act thats more concerned with spectacle than substance is a band with problems.

then the stones surely have problems.

I dont think the Stones are quite at that level yet, although they're getting that way. Its certainly far more of an issue when putting their show together than it should be, however.

well mister, i guess we just have to agree to disagree...no biggie. as far as i'm concerned...the stones have been all bells and whistles since steel wheels to a bigger bang.

:funny

Its certainly not a good thing.

i never thought there would come a day when i would have to turn to you and say............DUDE

Shit!

If I knew what the hell you were talking about, I might have a suitable response, but if you think a spectacle is more important in a concert than the music, then I'd love to read why.

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2077 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:34pm

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I think the Stones start tours with slight bells & whistles & they usually last for exactly one show & then get dumped.

Yeah, like the cage in 'Out of Control' from the NS Tour.

Stones are still heavy on the spectacle, especially in stadiums.
I much prefer the pared down arena shows - more focus on the music.

IMO, one thing that continues to work indoors and out is the b-stage.
Love when the good ship RS sets sail...

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2078 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:41pm

Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:31pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:20pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 4:39pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 3:36pm:

Any act thats more concerned with spectacle than substance is a band with problems.

then the stones surely have problems.

I dont think the Stones are quite at that level yet, although they're getting that way. Its certainly far more of an issue when putting their show together than it should be, however.

well mister, i guess we just have to agree to disagree...no biggie. as far as i'm concerned...the stones have been all bells and whistles since steel wheels to a bigger bang.

:funny

Its certainly not a good thing.

i never thought there would come a day when i would have to turn to you and say............DUDE

Shit!

If I knew what the hell you were talking about, I might have a suitable response, but if you think a spectacle is more important in a concert than the music, then I'd love to read why.

when it comes down to dealing with the stones...both are equally important. bells and whistles are important to keep peoples interest. you don't rent a stadium for a day for that amount of money just to see plain jane. people pay lots of money and they want a nice night out.

the cobra thing was cool
the onstage thing was cool
the largest screen was cool [voodoo lounge] at the time
the large curtain deal for bridges to babylon was cool.

these are all bells and whistles

That was clever

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2079 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:42pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:34pm:

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I think the Stones start tours with slight bells & whistles & they usually last for exactly one show & then get dumped.

Yeah, like the cage in 'Out of Control' from the NS Tour.

Stones are still heavy on the spectacle, especially in stadiums.
I much prefer the pared down arena shows.

IMO, one thing that continues to work indoors and out is the b-stage.
Love when the good ship RS sets sail...

Oddly enough lefty, thats one gimmick that I think is past its sell by date. Time was when they'd use the b-stage to play something interesting - like some blues or 'Midnight Rambler' and the like - now its pretty much 100% warhorses. A total waste of 15-20 minutes. Lets face it, if youre at the back of an arena or stadium and the Stones are ten feet in front of you, you shouldnt need them to be playing 'Honky Tonk Women' or 'Start Me Up' to make you go mental. They could be playing 'Popeye the Sailor Man' for all I care.

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left shoe shuffle Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 4,141	Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a Reply #2080 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:44pm Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:42pm: They could be playing 'Popeye the Sailor Man' for all I care. I was at that show! Kinda sloppy though - Keef had to show Woody the changes...
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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2081 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:49pm

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:31pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:20pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 4:39pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 3:36pm:

Any act thats more concerned with spectacle than substance is a band with problems.

then the stones surely have problems.

I dont think the Stones are quite at that level yet, although they're getting that way. Its certainly far more of an issue when putting their show together than it should be, however.

well mister, i guess we just have to agree to disagree...no biggie. as far as i'm concerned...the stones have been all bells and whistles since steel wheels to a bigger bang.

:funny

Its certainly not a good thing.

i never thought there would come a day when i would have to turn to you and say............DUDE

Shit!

If I knew what the hell you were talking about, I might have a suitable response, but if you think a spectacle is more important in a concert than the music, then I'd love to read why.

when it comes down to dealing with the stones...both are equally important. bells and whistles are important to keep peoples interest. you don't rent a stadium for a day for that amount of money just to see plain jane. people pay lots of money and they want a nice night out.

the cobra thing was cool
the onstage thing was cool
the largest screen was cool [voodoo lounge] at the time
the large curtain deal for bridges to babylon was cool.

these are all bells and whistles

That was clever

Ok, now I get ya. I guess then that youre suggesting Stones fans have a low attention span when it comes to appreciating music and need to get spoon-fed a 'spectacle' so that they can enjoy themselves. Not sure I think that's necessarily true. And like I said earlier, paying a shitload of extra money for a ticket and getting a fancy stage to look at in return isnt really a good trade off in my book. I couldnt care less if its a plain stage or something that looks like it descended from Mars - as long as I can hear the music properly, its well performed and I get a good view of the artist, I'm happy enough. Whilst some of those effects have been fun, I've never gone to a Stones show giving a shit what the stage looks like, but if other people feel its important, good for them.

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2082 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:59pm

Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:49pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:31pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:20pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 4:39pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 3:36pm:

Any act thats more concerned with spectacle than substance is a band with problems.

then the stones surely have problems.

I dont think the Stones are quite at that level yet, although they're getting that way. Its certainly far more of an issue when putting their show together than it should be, however.

well mister, i guess we just have to agree to disagree...no biggie. as far as i'm concerned...the stones have been all bells and whistles since steel wheels to a bigger bang.

:funny

Its certainly not a good thing.

i never thought there would come a day when i would have to turn to you and say............DUDE

Shit!

If I knew what the hell you were talking about, I might have a suitable response, but if you think a spectacle is more important in a concert than the music, then I'd love to read why.

when it comes down to dealing with the stones...both are equally important. bells and whistles are important to keep peoples interest. you don't rent a stadium for a day for that amount of money just to see plain jane. people pay lots of money and they want a nice night out.

the cobra thing was cool
the onstage thing was cool
the largest screen was cool [voodoo lounge] at the time
the large curtain deal for bridges to babylon was cool.

these are all bells and whistles

That was clever

Ok, now I get ya. I guess then that youre suggesting Stones fans have a low attention span when it comes to appreciating music and need to get spoon-fed a 'spectacle' so that they can enjoy themselves. Not sure I think that's necessarily true. And like I said earlier, paying a shitload of extra money for a ticket and getting a fancy stage to look at in return isnt really a good trade off in my book. I couldnt care less if its a plain stage or something that looks like it descended from Mars - as long as I can hear the music properly, its well performed and I get a good view of the artist, I'm happy enough. Whilst some of those effects have been fun, I've never gone to a Stones show giving a shit what the stage looks like, but if other people feel its important, good for them.

don't deny yourself. you mean to tell me you have walked into a stones show to see the simplest of stages. somehow i just don't believe that...i believe that just as much as i believe you are wondering what the first song will be. where is your sense of excitement?

will ya 2

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2084 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 6:16pm

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:49pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:31pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 5:20pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 4:39pm:

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Gazza wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 3:36pm:

Any act thats more concerned with spectacle than substance is a band with problems.

then the stones surely have problems.

I dont think the Stones are quite at that level yet, although they're getting that way. Its certainly far more of an issue when putting their show together than it should be, however.

well mister, i guess we just have to agree to disagree...no biggie. as far as i'm concerned...the stones have been all bells and whistles since steel wheels to a bigger bang.

:funny

Its certainly not a good thing.

i never thought there would come a day when i would have to turn to you and say............DUDE

Shit!

If I knew what the hell you were talking about, I might have a suitable response, but if you think a spectacle is more important in a concert than the music, then I'd love to read why.

when it comes down to dealing with the stones...both are equally important. bells and whistles are important to keep peoples interest. you don't rent a stadium for a day for that amount of money just to see plain jane. people pay lots of money and they want a nice night out.

the cobra thing was cool
the onstage thing was cool
the largest screen was cool [voodoo lounge] at the time
the large curtain deal for bridges to babylon was cool.

these are all bells and whistles

That was clever

Ok, now I get ya. I guess then that youre suggesting Stones fans have a low attention span when it comes to appreciating music and need to get spoon-fed a 'spectacle' so that they can enjoy themselves. Not sure I think that's necessarily true. And like I said earlier, paying a shitload of extra money for a ticket and getting a fancy stage to look at in return isnt really a good trade off in my book. I couldnt care less if its a plain stage or something that looks like it descended from Mars - as long as I can hear the music properly, its well performed and I get a good view of the artist, I'm happy enough. Whilst some of those effects have been fun, I've never gone to a Stones show giving a shit what the stage looks like, but if other people feel its important, good for them.

don't deny yourself. you mean to tell me you have walked into a stones show to see the simplest of stages. somehow i just don't believe that...i believe that just as much as i believe you are wondering what the first song will be. where is your sense of excitement?

will ya 2

The music of the greatest rock n roll bands in the world is my 'sense of excitement'. I'm in it for the music and always have been. Nothing else.

My favourite Stones shows of the 47 Ive been to have almost all been in theatres or small arenas - Shepherds Bush 1999, London astoria , The Point Theatre in Dublin and Wembley Arena in 2003. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

A stage in a stadium in Los Angeles is the same as a stage in Madrid. Whats to get excited about a few lumps of metal that are the same no matter where you see them? At least the performance changes from one night to the next.

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2086 - Apr 5^th, 2009 at 11:21pm

The Austin setlist:

1. Badlands
2. Outlaw Pete
3. My Lucky Day
4. Prove It All Night
5. Out In The Street
6. Working On A Dream
7. Seeds
8. Johnny 99
9. Youngstown
10. Working On The Highway
11. Sherry Darlin' (request)
12. She's The One
13. Because The Night
14. Waiting On A Sunny Day
15. The Promised Land
16. The Wrestler
17. Kingdom of Days
18. Radio Nowhere
19. Lonesome Day
20. The Rising
21. Born To Run

22. Hard Times
23. JUNGLELAND
24. Tenth Ave Freezeout
25. I'm A Rocker
26. Land Of Hope & Dreams
27. American Land
28. Glory Days

Just an ordinary average 28 song set list. Cheesy

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Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Offline Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,231 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a Reply #2088 - Apr 6^th, 2009 at 3:54am Criss Cross Mind wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 10:28pm: OK got two GA's for Chicago ... what's the best bet to get into "Pit"??? Go early and hope the lottery system favours you. Fortunately in Europe, its just first come, first served. No numbers drawn..
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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2089 - Apr 6^th, 2009 at 5:06am

Criss Cross Mind wrote on Apr 5^th, 2009 at 10:28pm:

OK got two GA's for Chicago ... what's the best bet to get into "Pit"??? really?

Well I've been there early early in the day and I've been there mid day and even towards the end of the lottery. CCM , it is truly "the luck of the draw." I'm due to hit the jackpot this time though-been unlucky the last 2 times-LOL. I keep going back for more, as there really is nothing better than experiencing Bruce in the Pit (and standing for 5 hours!! Grin

). Although some of us do like relaxing near the soundboards! Wink

Wish you the best- put on your lucky face (clothes or shoes) and your Vegas smile!

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2090 - Apr 6^th, 2009 at 10:03am

Gazza wrote on Apr 6^th, 2009 at 3:52am:

That seems a very long show - surprisingly so this early in a tour. They tend to get longer towards the end.

I hope his voice can take the strain. It's sounded a bit rough at times on the first couple of shows I've downloaded

It didn't seem that bad to me Gazza. I've listened to a little bit of the San Jose boot. Still seems fine. You want a rough voice,try listening to Roger Daltry sing these days. A moose in heat would sound better....But I digress Undecided

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Reply #2092 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 6:48pm

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don't deny yourself. you mean to tell me you have walked into a stones show to see the simplest of stages. somehow i just don't believe that...

Orpheum 02.

Best. Stones. Ever.

You went?

Damn skippy.
5th row center aisle. Grin

Caught the Philly Tower show, too.
Not nearly as good.

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2094 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 6:48am

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Apr 6^th, 2009 at 10:03am:

Gazza wrote on Apr 6^th, 2009 at 3:52am:

That seems a very long show - surprisingly so this early in a tour. They tend to get longer towards the end.

I hope his voice can take the strain. It's sounded a bit rough at times on the first couple of shows I've downloaded

It didn't seem that bad to me Gazza. I've listened to a little bit of the San Jose boot. Still seems fine. You want a rough voice,try listening to Roger Daltry sing these days. A moose in heat would sound better....But I digress Undecided

yeah, its a pity about Roger's voice - because Pete has been playing so great.

Bruce tends to take a few gigs to get the pacing of a show right. The 'Magic' tour didnt really kick in until after a couple of weeks. There's also a few gaps in this schedule to maximise the rest time between shows. He'll be fine I'm sure.

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Re: Anything Springsteen on RO... Part 4a
Reply #2096 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 9:27am

Gazza wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 6:48am:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Apr 6^th, 2009 at 10:03am:

Gazza wrote on Apr 6^th, 2009 at 3:52am:

That seems a very long show - surprisingly so this early in a tour. They tend to get longer towards the end.

I hope his voice can take the strain. It's sounded a bit rough at times on the first couple of shows I've downloaded

It didn't seem that bad to me Gazza. I've listened to a little bit of the San Jose boot. Still seems fine. You want a rough voice,try listening to Roger Daltry sing these days. A moose in heat would sound better....But I digress Undecided

yeah, its a pity about Roger's voice - because Pete has been playing so great.

Bruce tends to take a few gigs to get the pacing of a show right. The 'Magic' tour didnt really kick in until after a couple of weeks. There's also a few gaps in this schedule to maximise the rest time between shows. He'll be fine I'm sure.

Well only 24 songs in Tulsa last night. But he has back to back and 3 shows in 4 days. So now he is pacing himself.

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Reply #2099 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 1:18pm

Saint Sway wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 12:44pm:

On the Stones 2010, the 28 song set list will have to broken into 2 seperate nights.

Stones 2010:
14 songs. $590 tickets. You heard it here first.

I could see 2 nights, 2 totally different setlists with no repeats as the next gimmick. Saw the Pumpkins do that last year. The Stones could do that and still do a basic predictable hits oriented setlist.

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