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Reply #1675 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 7:18pm
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More dates announced. LA 4/15 Cry
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A Hershey show at the Giant Center (10K) would be mighty nice.

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Reply #1677 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 8:42am
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Hey gimmekeef and Some Guy- Bruce is coming to your town Wink....

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Springsteen recently performed at the Presidential Inauguration and is set to perform at Super Bowl XLIII. His new album 'Working on a Dream' is earning exemplary reviews. In Brian Hiatt's 5-star Rolling Stone review of 'Working on a Dream,' he raves about its "romantic sweep and swaggering musical ambition." For the full review, please go to:
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/25463406/review/25523370/working_o
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People Magazine wrote, "With many of these songs itching to be taken on the road, 'Dream' continues the classic-Springsteen revival of 'Magic.'"

Meanwhile, Entertainment Weekly's Simon Vozick-Levinson's gave the album an "A" grade: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20253916,00.html

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Reply #1679 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 9:50am
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Surprised there's not more NYC area shows.

No Ohio show, Meg? Too bad. Looks like another road trip to Boston?
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What an odd duck of a tour schedule. Not sure what I think of SJ as the tour opener. Means I get first (thunder)crack at Bruce. But as we all know,the tour will only get better. But then again if it's anything like the last tour opener I went to,10 years ago last sunday No Security. Then it might be pretty good after all. Plus AZ and Denver look more doable than LA at this point. Ahhh,what's a poor boy to do.  War horses couldn't drag me away :funny
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Reply #1681 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 10:16am
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What an odd duck of a tour schedule. Not sure what I think of SJ as the tour opener. Means I get first (thunder)crack at Bruce. But as we all know,the tour will only get better. But then again if it's anything like the last tour opener I went to,10 years ago last sunday No Security. Then it might be pretty good after all. Plus AZ and Denver look more doable than LA at this point. Ahhh,what's a poor boy to do.  War horses couldn't drag me away :funny



there's a mistake on that schedule which you've astutely spotted. That venue in "Glendale" is in Glendale, AZ not Glendale, CA.

The lack of shows in and around NJ/NY suggest to me that he'll maybe play a few stadium shows there to finish the tour after Europe. Can't see the tour ending in a small city in northern Spain, can you?
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Reply #1682 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 10:29am
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Gazza wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 9:50am:
Surprised there's not more NYC area shows.

No Ohio show, Meg? Too bad. Looks like another road trip to Boston?


Not sure where I'll go to see the Boss.  I know it won't be Pittsburg-sorry robpop! Grin

Guess I'll see if my other Bruce Buddies have any good ideas???!!!!
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Reply #1683 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 10:40am
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PartyDoll MEG wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 10:29am:
Gazza wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 9:50am:
Surprised there's not more NYC area shows.

No Ohio show, Meg? Too bad. Looks like another road trip to Boston?


Not sure where I'll go to see the Boss.  I know it won't be Pittsburg-sorry robpop! Grin

Guess I'll see if my other Bruce Buddies have any good ideas???!!!!


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Gazza wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 10:16am:
sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 9:53am:
What an odd duck of a tour schedule. Not sure what I think of SJ as the tour opener. Means I get first (thunder)crack at Bruce. But as we all know,the tour will only get better. But then again if it's anything like the last tour opener I went to,10 years ago last sunday No Security. Then it might be pretty good after all. Plus AZ and Denver look more doable than LA at this point. Ahhh,what's a poor boy to do.  War horses couldn't drag me away :funny



there's a mistake on that schedule which you've astutely spotted. That venue in "Glendale" is in Glendale, AZ not Glendale, CA.

The lack of shows in and around NJ/NY suggest to me that he'll maybe play a few stadium shows there to finish the tour after Europe. Can't see the tour ending in a small city in northern Spain, can you?


Their are a lot of gaps in that shcedule Gazza. Looks like this tour was planned by Amelia Earhart's navigator Grin....Very few midwest/southern dates. No pacific northwest either. Plus I have to believe their wil lbe a second LA show added. But,enough whining. Travel wise,I'll take Phoenix and Denver over Nashville and St. Louis this year. Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Just announced at Billboard :

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January 27, 2009 10:13 AM ET

" As expected, Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band will tour North America this spring in support of their new album, "Working on a Dream," out today (Jan. 27) on Columbia. The trek begins April in San Jose, Calif.

North American dates are set through May 23 in East Rutherford, N.J. A European tour then begins a week later at Holland's Pink Pop festival and concludes June 10 in Bergen, Norway.

That timing would line up with a long-rumored Springsteen appearance at the Bonnaroo festival in Manchester, Tenn., that weekend. After a break, the European leg resumes July 2 in Munich.

Springsteen's 2007-2008 tour in support of the album "Magic" was the most successful of his career, grossing about $232 million worldwide, according to Billboard Boxscore.

The tour unofficially begins this Sunday (Feb. 1) when Springsteen and company will headline the Super Bowl XLIII halftime show in Tampa, Fla.

Here are Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band's tour dates:  "


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Great News for the several tour dates! 2 Philly 2 NJ but no NY dates. I checked TM and nothing up there yet.

As for WORKING ON A DREAM which is released today, I did some research:

WalMart @ $14.88
Best Buy @ $13.98
and the winner is:
TARGET @ $9.98

Will go shopping today after work and it k up.
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PartyDoll MEG wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 10:29am:
Gazza wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 9:50am:
Surprised there's not more NYC area shows.

No Ohio show, Meg? Too bad. Looks like another road trip to Boston?


Not sure where I'll go to see the Boss.  I know it won't be Pittsburg-sorry robpop! Grin

Guess I'll see if my other Bruce Buddies have any good ideas???!!!!


I'm not sure if I can make the Pitt show anyway.  The first half of this year is going to be quite buzy.  Supe half time may be the only gig I'll catch.  Although, I would like to say good-bye to the old "dump".
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                                                          Springsteen's no boob, gets on board Super halftime train

It happened five years ago this coming Sunday. A blithe, football-sotted nation was minding its business between halves of a contest between the Patriots of New England and the Panthers of Carolina. We were chatting amiably about the game. We were stretching our legs. We were eating guacamole.
And then, with one over-choreographed tug at an under-constructed top, everything changed. In the five-eighths of a second that a small parcel of Janet Jackson's right breast was exposed to the viewing public, we lost our innocence. The nipple pierced our collective sense of decency, sending us careening into a morals-free morass in which we remain mired.
Unless we were on line to use the bathroom, in which case we remained pretty much as we were before.    
Despite rain woes and some odd football imagery, Prince rocked the XLI halftime.    
So yeah, the exposed-nipple incident seems even more ridiculous now than it did then. But somehow, it has given rise to the most unexpected and happy aftereffect: Super Bowl halftime shows are now nearly as entertaining as the game itself. And that's before the NFL, which assumed control over Super Bowl entertainment in the nipple's calamitous wake, went out and snagged Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band -- only the greatest live performers in the history of history -- for this year's extravaganza.
For all this, we have Charles Coplin and live-event gurus Don Mischer Productions and White Cherry Entertainment to thank. Coplin, the NFL's vice president of programming and co-executive producer of the Super Bowl pregame and halftime shows, was handed oversight of Super Bowl entertainment after Nipplegate, which was produced by MTV. His mission? To restore sanity and family-friendliness to one of the highest-profile gigs in entertainment.

To do this, Coplin decided to stress the magnitude of the event. The Super Bowl, as we will be reminded several hundred times in the next few days, is traditionally the year's most-watched broadcast; according to Nielsen Media Research, 97.5 million viewers in the U.S. tuned into last year's Giants/Patriots game, making it the second most-watched program in U.S. history behind the M*A*S*H finale. Given the difficulty even well-established artists have in selling records, concert tickets and related tchotchkes nowadays, Coplin and his team set about playing up the coveted opportunity to perform in front of millions of viewers.

"We felt we had a fantastic platform for artists," Coplin says. "It's a world where it's more difficult to sell records, so we thought that if we treated [the halftime show] as something special and got groups to be involved that resonated with lots of people, we'd be able to create some incredible moments." Paul McCartney was the first act of the NFL-production era, with the Rolling Stones, Prince and Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers following in short order.

Never mind the artistry -- though Prince's set, during which snippets of Dylan's All Along the Watchtower and Foo Fighters' Best of You preceded a sublime, bombastic Purple Rain finale, kicked the dickens out of any recent Grammy- or Oscar-night performance. For artists, the Super Bowl show is all about the exposure.

Take Petty, whose four-song set in Arizona last February served as the prelude to a monster year commercially. According to Billboard, one of the songs played at halftime, Free Fallin', sold 63,000 digital copies in the week following the game, up 305 percent from the week before. A few days after the game, Petty put tickets for his 2008 tour on sale; despite the absence of a new record to promote, the tour grossed $41.8 million for 38 concerts, according to Pollstar.

"[The Super Bowl halftime show] is a highly, highly coveted slot," says Jon Cohen, co-CEO of music promotion and marketing firm Cornerstone. "You get lots of press for the announcement, then even more during the weeks before the game. Then you have the game itself and the aftermath. In terms of creating buzz, nothing's close."

   
Tom Petty and friends cashed in from their XLII performance. (Getty Images)    
Those numbers and that thinking likely resonated with the Springsteen camp. The NFL had been after Springsteen for quite some time, with no success. "We'd ask them every year and every year they'd say no," Coplin shrugs. So you can imagine his surprise when, the Friday after last year's game, Coplin's BlackBerry buzzed with a missive indicating Springsteen's possible interest.

"You're always a little down after a big show. It changed everything to hear that finally we'd be able to take a chance on this little-known act from New Jersey," he jokes.

The NFL only has so much input into the halftime show's creative direction, though Coplin and his team do have their preferences -- during the run-up to Prince's appearance, for example, they lobbied for the aforementioned Purple Rain finale. As of Monday, however, Coplin wasn't yet sure what Springsteen is planning to play.

"In rehearsals, if he comes up with some new idea, nobody's going to say, "No, that won't work,'" he adds dryly. For the record, Coplin, like everybody else I spoke with for this story, laughed nervously when I asked if he was the person to whom I should submit my request for The Price You Pay.

Coplin can really only do so much because the league doesn't handle the game-day logistics of the halftime show. That task falls on the shoulders of Don Mischer, head of Don Mischer Productions and executive producer/director of the pregame and halftime shows, and Ricky Kirshner and Glenn Weiss, co-owners of White Cherry Entertainment and executive producers of the shows. All three individuals have worked extensively with the league during the past decade, either on Super Bowl Sunday or during the season-kickoff festivities.

Six days before the game, they appear considerably more relaxed than you'd expect individuals engineering a live broadcast for 100 million viewers to be. They're quick to correct misperceptions about the halftime show -- like the one about the featured artist being paid millions. In fact, Mischer notes, "They aren't paid anything. They do this because they want to be here."

Even as they prepare to preside over what amounts to a small-scale military operation, they speak mostly about making sure that the halftime show doesn't feel like "a concert breaking out in the middle of a football game," Kirshner says. "There are lots of things we do, but what's really important is that when the artist steps up on that stage, he feels really good about what he's performing."

At the same time, Mischer, Kirshner and Weiss are acutely aware of potential problems. The logistics seem almost impossible, really: In six or so minutes, they'll lead a crew of several hundred volunteers that will assemble a 45-piece stage, packed tight with wires and guitars and lights and cameras and pyro. The stage will be rolled out on low-pressure, big-balloon tires that won't damage the field. There will be 400-plus stage hands, 60 or so video technicians, 100 fill-in-the-blanks staffers and somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 audience volunteers ["We think there's a small chance that maybe Bruce had something to do with this," Weiss cracks]. Things will go wrong, they promise.

Like they almost did during the Colts/Bears clash a few years ago, when the rain started pouring down just before the half. Thirty seconds before Prince's set, a huge chunk of the glyph-shaped stage lacked power. A [quite possibly insane] staffer saved the day by holding three copper wires to an exposed plug for the duration of the set. In the rain.

"We had no idea," Mischer recalls. "Glenn [Weiss] and I were in the production truck together thinking, 'If one of the two twins dancing with [Prince] goes down in the rain, do we get a stretcher out there and let him keep playing?' But the rain wound up being a gift from a visual perspective."

And if there are problems on Sunday? "Josh Grobin will be waiting in the wings," Weiss jokes.

   
Nils Lofgren doesn't mind missing the first half to again play alongside Springsteen. (Getty Images)    
As for what the Super Bowl can do in the years ahead to top Springsteen, both in terms of prestige and performance, nobody wants to ponder that eventuality just yet. Cohen suggests that Green Day could be a good fit, or that the league could assemble a group of superstars to perform a tribute to an act that's no longer around. Coplin says that the NFL "wouldn't rule out" a repeat performer [U2?], while Weiss cracks that "I don't know if you've heard of her, but Ricky's young daughter sings.” Adds Kirshner, "She's quite good."

One of the guys who'll be up that on stage Sunday night, longtime E Street Band guitarist Nils Lofgren, is thrilled to be a part of the Super Bowl pomp and pageantry -- and that his appearance happens to coincide with the big-game debut of his hometown Arizona Cardinals. "How great is that?" he asks.

Lofgren has attended one Super Bowl in person; he and wife Amy journeyed down to Super Bowl XXXVI with pal John Madden in the famed Madden Cruiser. "What U2 did, that was amazing," he says. "McCartney was amazing. Petty was amazing last year." Still, he paints the gig as a challenging one, despite the fact that the band is slated to play a mere 12 minutes -- or roughly 168 fewer than the E Street Band's usual nightly output.

"For TV, you have to chop your music up, which is never your favorite thing to do. It's frenetic and chaotic," Lofgren notes. So how will he prepare? "Maybe I'll drink a little less coffee. The adrenaline factor gets so out of control, so the best thing I can do is stay as mellow and as calm as I can. Somebody else will worry about the spectacle. Once Bruce counts it off, my job's the same: to get lost in the music, to play it in a deep pocket."

Lofgren has more NFL ties than most. For years, he has been doing the music for the All-Madden Team rollout, recently released as "Tuff Stuff: The Best of the All-Madden Team Band" He has played hoops with Celtics legend Kevin McHale and regularly flashes his gymnastic chops on stage. Don't expect too many of what Lofgren calls his "forward-dive guitar rolls" on Sunday, however: he's only three months removed from a bilateral hip replacement. "It would be catastrophic and grossly irresponsible for my health to do something like that now. Surgeons don't like hearing, 'When can I get back on the trampoline?'" he says with a laugh.

For what it's worth, Lofgren is predicting Cardinals 27, Steelers 24. "They probably won't let us watch the first half -- we'll be locked away on a float somewhere," he adds. "We're here to work. I'll gladly miss the half to play with Bruce."

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I'm all for the 1/2 time show.
It's part of the spectacle of the ..... .... (copyright restrictions prevent
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I did enjoy the Prince performance.
Pretty scary to read cables were "held" together
during the rain for the show to complete.
Anything for the cause.
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Lofgren has attended one Super Bowl in person; he and wife Amy journeyed down to Super Bowl XXXVI with pal John Madden in the famed Madden Cruiser. "What U2 did, that was amazing," he says. "McCartney was amazing. Petty was amazing last year." Still, he paints the gig as a challenging one, despite the fact that the band is slated to play a mere 12 minutes -- or roughly 168 fewer than the E Street Band's usual nightly output. 


THE STONES WERE FVCKING AMAZING TOO!!! Let's not forget the excitement and pride that went into THAT Superbowl half-time show! 

12 minutes of Superbowl glory, yeah, that's short!
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No kidding, Bitch! How could he forget the Stones??
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Maybe he just didnt see them? He could have easily mentioned U2 and Prince, who were both pretty memorable as well.

As I recall, opinion on the Stones boards was extremely divided on the merits of their performance. Some thought they were great, others thought they were dire.

Wasn't their finest 12 minutes, but I still thought they were pretty good.

I'm a bit ambivalent on the Bruce appearance. There seems to be a lot of reliance on bells and whistles for the Superbowl half time show, and thats not really his thing. Then again, Petty seemed to do OK last year without all that crap.
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"In rehearsals, if he comes up with some new idea, nobody's going to say, "No, that won't work,'" he adds dryly. For the record, Coplin, like everybody else I spoke with for this story, laughed nervously when I asked if he was the person to whom I should submit my request for The Price You Pay. 


This is my favorite part of the whole article. Evidently,more than a few people want to hear "The Price You Pay" Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Reply #1699 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 1:36pm
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Bitch wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
Lofgren has attended one Super Bowl in person; he and wife Amy journeyed down to Super Bowl XXXVI with pal John Madden in the famed Madden Cruiser. "What U2 did, that was amazing," he says. "McCartney was amazing. Petty was amazing last year." Still, he paints the gig as a challenging one, despite the fact that the band is slated to play a mere 12 minutes -- or roughly 168 fewer than the E Street Band's usual nightly output. 


THE STONES WERE FVCKING AMAZING TOO!!! Let's not forget the excitement and pride that went into THAT Superbowl half-time show! 

12 minutes of Superbowl glory, yeah, that's short!

Stones & U2 had the best halftime shows. Prince was okay, Petty less so, Macca sucked.
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