What a great reading!!

https://www.billgerman.com/blog

Truly a great read about the entire BS controversy, tbh he sums up there what I've been thinking all along! I've always assumed that Mick was maybe kinda a bit influenced by cancel culture in his decision to not play BS anymore but I also thought his main motivation to drop it is because of Karis and her kids, I mean they're at an age now where they'd probably question that (influenced by not only being part black themselves but also cancel culture and Black Lives Matter) and in return make Mick question it as well, even if I also agree with what Keith said about the song in that 2021 interview, but more recently Keith also has pointed out multiple times that he just let's Mick decide on setlist because as Bill German also so correctly pointed out, Mick is the one who has to sing the songs, so yeah...it's quite obvious tbh...if you don't listen to the lyrics it's a very fun song to hear live but well, Mick has to sing them

Funnily enough when getting to hear BS in 2018 (for some reason I don't remember it from my first show in 2017) I listened to the lyrics too closely amd didn't like it and the morning after the show even had a random chat about it with some other Stones fan at the hotel while checking out xD but last year when seeing some Stones cover band, I really enjoyed listening to BS because it's just such a nice dance song and really fun, I even recorded them play it here https://youtu.be/P68zfOAKPyg?feature=shared

But when during the upcoming tour they hopefully play WWW and Mess it Up and that's enough dance songs and we don't need BS then to tick that box on the setlist  ;)

Excellent read

Whereas in 'Sympathy for the Devil' and 'Midnight Rambler' they're not remotely pointing out any horrors of glorifying Satan, rape or murder..... ::)

I remember Charlie saying in an interview that he got tired of playing BS by the end of a tour. At the time I thought he probably meant that he got tired of playing the same old songs, but now I wonder if he didn't mean BS specifically. He didn't seem to like discrimination, did he?

If only the guys had left slavery out of the song and just made it about interracial sex-- still a big deal to some people, trite as it may seem to others nowadays.

Gazza wrote on Apr 18^th, 2024 at 3:40pm:

Whereas in 'Sympathy for the Devil' and 'Midnight Rambler' they're not remotely pointing out any horrors of glorifying Satan, rape or murder..... ::)

You say “glorifying Satan” like it’s a bad thing.

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 11:39pm:

Gazza wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 3:40pm: Whereas in 'Sympathy for the Devil' and 'Midnight Rambler' they're not remotely pointing out any horrors of glorifying Satan, rape or murder..... ::) You say “glorifying Satan” like it’s a bad thing.

;D ;D

Freya Gin wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 9:01am:

If only the guys had left slavery out of the song and just made it about interracial sex-- still a big deal to some people, trite as it may seem to others nowadays.

If you listen to Did Everybody Pay Their Dues, you can hear that MJ was out to launch a piss-take on race issues in America.

At about the same time, McCartney satirized both US and UK race problems in abandoned songs like White Power and Oh, Enoch Powell, and in the original Get Back lyrics.  MJ just hit on the most danceable, radio-friendly formula in what was always going to be a borderline acceptable endeavor.  The message now seemed to be that slavery brought us hot black chicks, set to musical mannerisms out of Jackie Brenston or early Ike Turner.

Love the top of the pops Brown Sugar video 1971

With Trevor Lawrence on sax on playback ing  track live jagger vocal

andrews27 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 4:50pm:

Freya Gin wrote on Apr 21st, 2024 at 9:01am: If only the guys had left slavery out of the song and just made it about interracial sex-- still a big deal to some people, trite as it may seem to others nowadays. If you listen to Did Everybody Pay Their Dues, you can hear that MJ was out to launch a piss-take on race issues in America. At about the same time, McCartney satirized both US and UK race problems in abandoned songs like White Power and Oh, Enoch Powell, and in the original Get Back lyrics.  MJ just hit on the most danceable, radio-friendly formula in what was always going to be a borderline acceptable endeavor.  The message now seemed to be that slavery brought us hot black chicks, set to musical mannerisms out of Jackie Brenston or early Ike Turner.

I understand but, as they say, it aged like milk. Unfortunately, most people don't get that and even among those who did, they don't seem to remember. I guess the real problem is that it's still a damn good song-- except for that one thing.

I wondered back when they stopped playing it whether Mick could just twist and change the lyrics a bit like he did for Under My Thumb in the 90s but I guess if he ever would have considered to do so, then it would have had to be decades ago already and not now, so that train has left...