ROCKS OFF - The Rolling Stones Message Board

Did anybody else not like the guys MJ got to play the Stones in Get On Up, the James Brown movie?

andrews27 wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

Did anybody else not like the guys MJ got to play the Stones in Get On Up, the James Brown movie?

They were on for like a second?

Anyways, it was a good movie! I remember one guy actually got up and danced during the movie!

I liked Get On Up a lot. It beat the crap out of straight-line biographies like Ray, the Ray Charles movie, which put me to sleep.

I just thought the man himself could pick better Stones, especially for the fans. Hell, for himself.

I don't hate everything - just A Bigger Bang.

And a trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2irZnQMovI

Looks like a great series, I notice in the clip they use The New York Dolls "Personality Crisis" as the background.

And the band in the clip sort of looks like the New York Dolls. The show looks like it has potential and it makes me wish I had HBO.

I saw the trailer advertised on HBO yesterday, and this is exactly the kind of stuff I love to watch so I am really looking forward to seeing this! Sex,drugs and R&R at its peak. Yeah I think it peaked in the 70's, full on debauchery, and they are bringing it back to life! And who would know it better than MICK? Nobody, except maybe Steven Tyler.

We have to wait until 2016?????

....Oh man!!! :shutthefuckup

Scorsese, please give us back De Niro in an decent acting role [and that bit with the 'bipolar' funny son and the dancing chick who would never shut up does not count.] Or keep rolling on the dough. You have a great legacy.

Here's a kitty.

http://www.antimusic.com/news/15/August/10Trailer_For_Mick_Jagger_and_Martin_Scorseses_Rock_Drama_Vinyl_Released.shtml

Sorry if posted already...

(Classic Rock) The first trailer for Mick Jagger and Martin Scorsese's rock drama Vinyl has been released. The nine-part series about the fortunes of a 1970s record label exec will air next year on US network HBO. Scorsese will direct the pilot and serve as an executive producer alongside the Rolling Stones frontman.

Vinyl features actors Bobby Cannavale, Olivia Wilde, Ray Romano, Andrew 'Dice' Clay and P.J. Byrne, while Jagger's son James will star as Kip Stevens, the singer of fictional punk outfit Nasty Bits.

Alice Cooper, Lou Reed, Otis Redding and Elton John will also be portrayed in the show. The Rolling Stones reissued their 1971 album Sticky Fingers in June, while guitarist Keith Richards hinted they could soon begin work on the follow-up to 2005's A Bigger Bang. Watch the trailer here: http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-08-07/jagger-scorsese-tv-drama-gets-trailer

HBO releases new trailer for Jagger and Scorsese's drink and drug-fuelled '70s rock drama 'Vinyl'

Bobby Cannavale stars as a cocaine-addicted record exec in 1970s New York

NICK LEVINE, 17TH NOVEMBER 2015
HBO has released a second trailer for Vinyl, Mick Jagger and Martin Scorsese's forthcoming drama series set in the music industry in 1970s New York.

Jagger and Scorsese serve as executive producers on the 10-part series, which has been created by Terence Winter, the writer-producer behind Boardwalk Empire.

Bobby Cannavale, who won an Emmy for his performance as Gyp Rosetti in season three of Boardwalk Empire, stars as Richie, a cocaine-addicted record executive trying to relaunch his label in New York as the new sounds of disco and punk bubble up from the underground.

The show's ensemble cast also includes include Juno Temple, Ray Romano, Olivia Wilde, Andrew Dice Clay and Borgen's Birgitte Sorenson. Meanwhile, Mick Jagger's son James has been cast as the singer of a fictional punk band called Nasty Bits. Look out for a brief glimpse of him in the trailer.

Scorsese, who previously worked with Winter on Boardwalk Empire and Jagger on 2008's The Rolling Stones documentary Shine A Light, has directed the pilot episode of the drama, which will premiere on HBO on February 14. At present, the series has yet to be picked up for a UK broadcaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iphllcTYOs

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/hbo-releases-new-trailer-for-jagger-and-scorsese-s/393010?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=vinyl

Not trying to be the contrarian (for a change), but this seems like it would be a MUCH better film than an ongoing series...is it a mini-series?

But, anyway...any series that stars Andrew Dice Clay cant be that bad, right?

It's a 10-part series. Tells you in the article.

I presume this is the same Jagger/Scorsese project that we heard was in the works some years ago which was going to be a movie called 'The Long Play'

HBO must be really throwing their weight behind it if its running into late April - because it's being earmarked for the viewing slot that 'Game of Thrones' usually occupies when it usually premieres at the end of March/early April (instead it'll be a bit later in the spring than usual in 2016)

Mick Jagger’s son to star in dad’s new TV series

James Jagger will appear in 'Vinyl', a new drama TV series co-produced by his legendary dad Mick Jagger. / Getty

Mick Jagger suggested the producers of his new 1970s rock-themed TV series take a look at his son when they were looking for someone to play the frontman of fictitious punk act The Nasty Bits.

The Rolling Stones star dug deep into his own recollections of the music business for Vinyl, the hard-hitting new drama he's co-producing with Martin Scorsese, but he didn't go into the project thinking he'd be working with his kid, James.

"When I saw the role was being created, I thought, 'Well, wait a minute, they're looking for a guy who likes this kind of music, can play it and can act as well'," Jagger senior told Billboard.com.

"He (James) loves that kind of music, that kind of screaming racket. Not that I've got any objections to it, but I mean, he's really into that. So I thought I'd put James into the mix. I'm very pleased with him."

The series, which debuts in America on Valentine's Day, stars Bobby Cannavale as a cocaine-snorting music mogul and a group of up-and-coming actors, who portray rock stars like Robert Plant, John Bonham and the New York Dolls.

Mick admits he had to think long and hard about the recollections he shared with writers of the show because many of the things he witnessed backstage at gigs and in the offices of managers and record label bosses would never be believed.

"They (music industry executives) were so wacky that it was hard to write up how mad they were in real life and expect people to actually believe that a businessperson could behave like that," the veteran rocker laughed.

"All you need to do is read the book from (CBS Records CEO) Walter Yetnikoff (Howling at the Moon: The Odyssey of a Monstrous Music Mogul in an Age of Excess). Walter's a wonderful guy, but in that period he was completely off his head.

"I once went to meet him at lunchtime. I was sober, and I found out later he was completely out of his mind. I wondered why he wasn't making a lot of sense."

Wenn

http://www.scout.co.nz/Mick-Jaggers-son-stars-in-his-dads-new-TV-series/tabid/511/articleID/11050/Default.aspx

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Mick Jagger’s son to star in dad’s new TV series

James Jagger will appear in 'Vinyl', a new drama TV series co-produced by his legendary dad Mick Jagger. / Getty

HOLY SHIT!!! Did anyone else know that James Jagger is drop-dead gorgeous?! How come I didn't know that? WOW.

I'll give it a look see.

Freya Gin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Mick Jagger’s son to star in dad’s new TV series

James Jagger will appear in 'Vinyl', a new drama TV series co-produced by his legendary dad Mick Jagger. / Getty

HOLY SHIT!!! Did anyone else know that James Jagger is drop-dead gorgeous?! How come I didn't know that? WOW.

Not nearly as cute as MICK was at that age, but he'll be fun to watch.

Jagger via Satelitte @ HBO Winter 2016 TCA Panel, Langham Hotel, Pasadena, CA - January 7, 2016© Jeff Kravitz

Executive producer Mick Jagger, via satellite, EVP HBO Programming, Michael Ellenberg, Executive producer Terence Winter, actors Bobby Cannavale, Olivia Wilde and Ray Romano and executive producer Martin Scorsese, via satellite, of 'Vinyl' speak onstage during the HBO Winter 2016 TCA Panel at Langham Hotel on January 7, 2016 in Pasadena, California. (Photo by Jeff Kravitz/FilmMagic)

Who is blogging on RO's behalf???

LOL

I guarantee you that nobody in 1970s rock management or record company admin - even if they were on drugs - gave a shit about bringing the "feel" of "real" rock 'n' roll to the people, as Bobby Cannavale's character claims. Not Marty Thau, not Lou Adler, not Neil Bogart, not Tony DeFries, not....

James has a wedding band on his left hand...is the young man married??

Factory Girl wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

James has a wedding band on his left hand...is the young man married??

Damn.

'Vinyl,’ Backed by Martin Scorsese and Mick Jagger, Looks at 1970s Rock

By DAVE ITZKOFFJAN. 20, 2016

Terence Winter, seated, the show runner of HBO’s “Vinyl,” which stars, from left, Ray Romano, Olivia Wilde and Bobby Cannavale. Credit Brinson+Banks for The New York Times

When we meet Richie Finestra, the protagonist of the new HBO drama “Vinyl,” his situation is dire. It’s 1973, and this beleaguered record-label executive, played by Bobby Cannavale, has lost faith in the music industry, squandered his sobriety and gotten himself in serious trouble.

Yet when he seems to have hit bottom, Richie glimpses new inspiration not far from the shabby downtown Manhattan intersection where he has gone to buy cocaine: a raucous rock concert at the Mercer Arts Center, being played by an up-and-coming band called New York Dolls.

It is no accident that, from its opening minutes, “Vinyl,” with its mixture of grimy reality, nostalgia for 1970s New York and a throbbing rock ’n’ roll soundtrack, feels like a Martin Scorsese movie. Mr. Scorsese, the Academy Award-winning filmmaker, is an executive producer of the series and directed its two-hour pilot episode.

Should that pedigree feel insufficient for a narrative about bad behavior, existential crises and the redemptive power of music, Mr. Scorsese is joined on “Vinyl” by Mick Jagger, the lead singer of the Rolling Stones and a fellow executive producer on the series, which has its debut on Feb. 14.

Bobby Cannavale in “Vinyl.” Credit Niko Tavernise/HBO

With a cast that includes Olivia Wilde, Ray Romano and Juno Temple, and an aesthetic that mixes fictional characters with actors playing real-life music stars (like David Bowie, Elvis Presley and Lou Reed), the series is ambitious, expensive and — to its creative team — the closest proposition to a sure thing this side of a Led Zeppelin reunion.

As its show runner, Terence Winter, said, when he was invited to participate on the project: “I remember pitching it to myself and going, ‘All right: Martin Scorsese. Mick Jagger. Rock ’n’ roll. I don’t care what it is — there’s no way I wouldn’t watch this.’”

For HBO, which is now the network of “Game of Thrones,” “Sesame Street,” Jon Stewart and Bill Simmons, “Vinyl” is an important addition to its lineup: a way to keep people like Mr. Scorsese and Mr. Jagger in its talent stable, and to guard against encroachments from cable competitors like Showtime and streaming services like Netflix, which are preparing 1970s period series of their own.

To succeed, “Vinyl” will have to fulfill the promise of its sexy subject matter and its superstar producers. And it will have to find a coherent, compelling narrative in a heartfelt if abstract idea about how music defined people’s lives in that era.

As Mr. Scorsese explained earlier this month at the Television Critics Association press tour, to have grown up with rock ’n’ roll means “you see life around you played to that music.”

The goal for “Vinyl,” he said, is “that music becomes part of the narrative, but the whole narrative is like a piece of music.”

For Mr. Scorsese, music has been a persistent element in his fictional features, as well as his rock documentaries like “The Last Waltz” (about the Band) and “Shine a Light” (about the Rolling Stones).

By focusing on the 1970s in “Vinyl,” Mr. Jagger explained in an interview, the series could depict a thrilling, uncertain time in music, when a declining metropolis provided a crucible for punk, disco and hip-hop.

“New York was broke,” he said. “You’ve got a lot of poverty, a lot of rich people and a lot of disparity — all these scenes going on against a background of quite tough and grimy cityscapes.”

Also, Mr. Jagger added: “I forgot about the silly clothes. Some of them were ridiculous, and some were kind of sharp.”

It took a yearslong process to reach this point with “Vinyl,” which was planned as a movie, called “The Long Play,” that Mr. Scorsese and Mr. Jagger had been developing since at least 2000, and which would have followed characters in the music business over several decades and cultural eras.

Mr. Winter, an Emmy Award-winning producer of “The Sopranos” and show runner of “Boardwalk Empire,” was among the screenwriters who worked on “The Long Play.” But in 2008, he said, “The world economy dropped out, and suddenly the phone stopped ringing.”

“The studio was like, ‘Eh, this is maybe not the time to do a three-hour epic period piece,’” said Mr. Winter, who also wrote “The Wolf of Wall Street” for Mr. Scorsese.

Taking a page from “Boardwalk Empire,” HBO’s costly Prohibition-era gangster drama (which ran five seasons and drew about two million to three million viewers an episode), Mr. Winter reshaped the rock project as a cable-TV pilot.

For their male lead, Richie Finestra, the angst-ridden head of American Century Records, the producers honed in on Mr. Cannavale, who won an Emmy playing the short-fused mobster Gyp Rosetti on “Boardwalk Empire.”

Bobby Cannavale and Olivia Wilde in “Vinyl.” Credit Macall B. Polay/HBO

Mr. Cannavale, a star of Broadway (“The _________ With the Hat”) and film (“The Station Agent”), had bonded somewhat with Mr. Scorsese during his “Boardwalk Empire” run.

At an early table read, as he performed one of Rosetti’s increasingly violent scenes, Mr. Cannavale recalled, “Marty starts giggling — giggling, giggling, giggling.”

When Rosetti beat another character to death in the scene, Mr. Cannavale said Mr. Scorsese “lost it — he was crying with laughter and hitting me on the leg.”

Mr. Cannavale’s preparations for “Vinyl” were more extensive and intimate, including meetings with the talent manager Danny Goldberg (who has represented artists including the Beastie Boys and Nirvana); guitar lessons with Lenny Kaye, a founding member of the Patti Smith Group; and lots of time spent with Mr. Scorsese, who helped shape the Richie character.

“He said to me, ‘You’re a big guy, and you put your hands all over people,’” Mr. Cannavale recalled. “Every time I would go near him, I could feel him pull back a little bit. He said: ‘I want you to keep that. I want Richie to be like that.’”

Ms. Wilde, a veteran of TV shows like “House” and “The O.C.,” also sought input into her character, Devon, who is Richie’s wife and a one-time denizen of New York’s decadent art scene.

In conversations with the “Vinyl” producers, Ms. Wilde said: “I am already a fan. But in order to sign up for it, I need to know that you’re not asking me to be the long-suffering housewife. I want to make sure there’s something there.”

Ms. Wilde said she was satisfied not only by the back story for Devon, a former muse and confidant to Andy Warhol, but also by the producers’ attitudes of openness and collaboration.

“This was not a case of, ‘There’s an auteur whose words you are to speak, and you must dot every i,’” she said.

Other co-stars just seemed happy for the opportunity to see themselves reimagined in wide lapels and luxuriant facial hair.

Mr. Romano, the comic star of “Everybody Loves Raymond,” who plays Richie’s record-label partner Zak Yankovich, said that when he submitted his audition tape to Mr. Scorsese, the response he got back was, “He’s never heard of you.”

“I’m not that pompous to think everybody has to have heard of me,” Mr. Romano said with a chuckle. “It just seemed a little odd.”

Still, said Mr. Romano (who has since appeared on shows like “Parenthood” and “Men of a Certain Age”): “It ended up being a blessing. He didn’t have any preconceived notions of me.”

Production for the “Vinyl” pilot began in the summer of 2014 and ran 35 days, during which time Mr. Winter said he left Mr. Scorsese to his work.

(During the making of the “Boardwalk Empire” pilot, Mr. Winter said, he approached an assistant director to give Mr. Scorsese a creative note. “I said, ‘How do I do this?’” he recalled. “And he said: ‘I don’t know. No one’s ever given him a note before.’”)

James Jagger, center, with his band, the Nasty Bits, in the pilot of “Vinyl.” Credit Niko Tavernise/HBO
Mr. Cannavale, who worked 16- to 17-hour days, five or six days a week, playing a frantic and frequently coked-up executive, said the commitment to Mr. Scorsese was worthwhile. “This is what I’ve always wanted to do,” he said. “It could have been twice as long.”

Since being picked up as a series, “Vinyl” has become a significant undertaking for HBO, occupying some 11,400 square feet of stage space at Steiner Studios in Brooklyn, where the offices of American Century, about 6,400 square feet alone, have been created in intricate detail.

It is a sprawling workplace filled with vintage album covers, ashtrays, Rolodexes and typewriters, and filled with a simulated low-level haze of (presumably) cigarette smoke. On floors above the stages are the show’s production offices and estimable costume department, occupying real estate inherited from “Boardwalk Empire,” which concluded in 2014.

No one would comment on production costs for “Vinyl,” which uses enough new and licensed music that HBO plans to release a soundtrack album for each episode. But Mr. Winter said he told HBO, “Yeah, there’s going to be a big price tag, but the payoff is awesome.” (He added an expletive for emphasis.)

Mr. Winter, who wrote the “Vinyl” pilot with George Mastras (“Breaking Bad”), acknowledged a criticism frequently leveled against “Boardwalk Empire,” that the show took its time setting up characters and plot lines before it came to explosive fruition.

“‘Boardwalk’ was a slow burn, but it was a completely different story,” Mr. Winter said. On “Vinyl,” he said: “You’re shot out of a cannon. It should feel like you’re strapped onto a rocket, and it just goes.”

Should “Vinyl” draw comparisons to a series like “Mad Men,” the AMC drama about a conflicted, hard-living New York executive in an era of social and cultural upheaval, Mr. Winter could only shrug.

“There’s nothing I can do about it,” he said. “I’m sorry. People work in offices. It’s New York City.”

Despite a drumbeat of competition, including coming shows like Netflix’s “The Get Down” (whose creators include Baz Luhrmann, and which is also set in 1970s New York) and Showtime’s “I’m Dying Up Here” (set in the Los Angeles comedy scene of that era), Mr. Winter was unconcerned.

“I’m not going to pay attention to any of those other projects,” he said.

For Mr. Jagger, the ongoing production of “Vinyl” has been his introduction to one of very few showbiz experiences he has never had before, and a continual lesson in how much to be involved in the process.

“You’re not going to spend every minute of your life on this — that’s not your job,” he said. “But it’s your baby, and you don’t want to give it away. Without getting to be obsessive, you have to keep your hand on the tiller.”

(One further reason for Mr. Jagger to keep an eye on “Vinyl”: His son James is an actor on the show, playing the frontman of an unseasoned proto-punk band. “I didn’t say I insist” on his casting, Mr. Jagger explained. “I just said, ‘Let him audition and see how he does.’”)

Mr. Winter said that “Vinyl” had been another chapter in Mr. Scorsese’s cultural education, too, in learning how to apply a rock fan’s ear to a visual medium and bring his cinematic skills to television.

Reflecting on an early conversation about “Boardwalk Empire,” Mr. Winter recalled explaining to Mr. Scorsese the difference between a mini-series and an ongoing series.

“I said, ‘A mini-series is a finite amount — six, eight, 10 episodes, and that’s it,’” Mr. Winter said. “‘A series is, you do the pilot, and then it continues.’”

Slipping into an affectionate imitation of Mr. Scorsese’s rapid-fire delivery, Mr. Winter continued: “He goes, ‘So the pilot is the movie, and what happens in the series is after the movie? I get it. I’ll do the movie, and then you do the series.’”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/arts/television/vinyl-backed-by-martin-scorsese-and-mick-jagger-looks-at-1970s-rock.html?WT.mc_id=2016-KWP-INTL_AUD_DEV&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=IntlAudDev&kwp_0=94372&kwp_4=474304&kwp_1=263579&_r=0

I thought we'd moved from 70s nostalgia to 80s nostalgia? We've been in 70s nostalgia since like, 1993.

WTF?

SheRat wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 4:23pm:

I thought we'd moved from 70s nostalgia to 80s nostalgia? We've been in 70s nostalgia since like, 1993.

WTF?

True, but think of it this way. The 70s gave us the Glimmer Twins all decked out in skimpy, revealing clothes. In the 80s they went back to wearing mostly regular stuff.

70s- Mick Jagger unfastening his cat suit far enough down to show that he'd shaven his pubic hair.

80s- Shoulder pads!

Those just don't compare in my mind.

HBO has been promoting this a lot lately and I think it looks really good. I am looking forward to spending Valentines Day watching with my bf and hopefully it will deliver the horny-ness from the 70's era, the sexy subject matter. James Jagger should be interesting too, but he doesn't play young MICK, he plays a punk rocker, so that's good too.

At what point does the culture move from 70s nostalgia to 80s nostalgia? In 2004, I saw one of Keith's daughters in spandex pants and leg warmers and thought we had finally moved into the Xanadu-era, about to go into full-blown Benatar/Lauper/Madonna-ness. The 60s nostalgia in the late 80s/early 90s did not last nearly as long, of course, we spawned Grunge and maybe that's wha killed it.

Do the Millennials have some sort of natural affinity with the Me Generation? This could go a ways towards proving the theory proposed by a few friends of mine that Millennials aren't really a product of us GenX'ers, but are, instead, the products of the late Boomers who waited a very long time to spawn. Thus, the Millennial-blame cannot be laid at our doorstep?

And why doesn't Ecstasy exist anymore? These kids, all they do is "Molly" and damn does that shit suck.

It's funny when you meet a Millennial who longs to disassociate from their generation and wants to identify with the GenX crowd. That amuses me. I was there. And just like in the 60s, there weren't as many of us as they seem to think there were.

ROCKS OFF - The Rolling Stones Message Board
http://rocksoff.org/cgi-bin/messageboard/YaBB.pl GENERAL >> MAIN BOARD >> The Scorsese/Jagger HBO Show 'Vinyl' Looks Committed to Authenticity http://rocksoff.org/cgi-bin/messageboard/YaBB.pl?num=1438820409 Message started by Tom on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:20pm