*I want to clear up a sort of mis-conception that seems fairly popular here on rockoff.org. Zip Code is a summer, stadium tour in 2015. That is what it is up front. Now, and in addition, The Stones are releasing Sticky Fingers.

The tour's main premise is to put on a stadium show in the summer months in North America .... not for the primary purpose of re-exposing Sticky Fingers, the album (although touring at the time of it's release will certainly help and it works, hence the tricky title of the tour).

The tour's purpose is to do a stadium gig while they still can, and while the market is still there for them to do such a major set of shows. That is the main purpose of Zip Code.. not to promote the re-release of an album dating back to 1971.

Promoting Sticky Fingers goes 'hand-in-hand' with the tour.... BUT still the tour's main purpose is simply to do a stadium gig while they still can.

Many act as if this tour is based on Sticky Fingers....or is centered around it. I see how you could say it is... but in reality..it isn't... nor is it really intended as that. The re-release of Sticky Fingers has come into play .. and it's not that the two are unrelated or anything ...but The Stones are touring to tour .. and play stadiums again ..in the summer months.

It isn't based on Sticky Fingers or The re-release of it. The Sticky Fingers re-release and that whole aspect is a sort of side attraction, or ancedote to the main premise... which, again is simply to do a summer stadium tour again.

Just wanted to state and make that clear here.


Ian

Zip Code is about playing CYHMK, Midnight Rambler and Gimme Shelter real loud outdoors, while getting me a lossless recording of the complete Fonda show.  And playing Crazy Mama again in Buffalo.

This tour, as with the last several, is about making shitloads of money.

The tour is about promoting the Sticky Fingers re-release, as Jagger, Richards and Wood have all alluded to. Even going so far as to say they may play the entire album live (which they've done exactly once on this tour).

And it's no coincidence that the Stick Fingers-era 'Marquee Club' package was released two weeks after the SF packages. They're touring behind a 40 year album with lazy bonus material because they're too lazy, spent or embittered with each other to record new material, and their main source of new income is playing live shows; so they tour behind an old release because the world largely doesn't care about new Rolling Stones music and it wouldn't sell much anyway because of downloading and such.

So Ian -  I disagree with you, mate.

Mr. Yeats wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 1:19am:

This tour, as with the last several, is about making shitloads of money. The tour is about promoting the Sticky Fingers re-release, as Jagger, Richards and Wood have all alluded to. Even going so far as to say they may play the entire album live (which they've done exactly once on this tour). And it's no coincidence that the Stick Fingers-era 'Marquee Club' package was released two weeks after the SF packages. They're touring behind a 40 year album with lazy bonus material because they're too lazy, spent or embittered with each other to record new material, and their main source of new income is playing live shows; so they tour behind an old release because the world largely doesn't care about new Rolling Stones music and it wouldn't sell much anyway because of downloading and such. So Ian -  I disagree with you, mate.

I was trying to come up with a response to this bizarre thread, but you summed it up nicely. Put the pipe down Ian.

:forfucksake

I called it the "Hits and Tits" tour.

The setlist is pretty much the same as the 50th, with a few changes here and there.

And I was right when I said that they wouldn't play the entire SF album all the time. Too many slow songs for a stadium.

Continue.

Mr. Yeats wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 1:19am:

This tour, as with the last several, is about making shitloads of money. The tour is about promoting the Sticky Fingers re-release, as Jagger, Richards and Wood have all alluded to. Even going so far as to say they may play the entire album live (which they've done exactly once on this tour). And it's no coincidence that the Stick Fingers-era 'Marquee Club' package was released two weeks after the SF packages. They're touring behind a 40 year album with lazy bonus material because they're too lazy, spent or embittered with each other to record new material, and their main source of new income is playing live shows; so they tour behind an old release because the world largely doesn't care about new Rolling Stones music and it wouldn't sell much anyway because of downloading and such. So Ian -  I disagree with you, mate.

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Yes... the tour concerns making shitloads of money, Mr. Yeats. I also agree in that The Stones have been really uninterested in recording a new album over the past 7-8 years but now that is starting to change ... but The Stones are not touring behind anything, nor are they touring behind the re-release of an album dating back 40 years ago.

Finally, after 7-8 years of total dis-interest they will record another album  ... (as I always said they would). It's coming / they are going to start on it after this set or South America shows. Nobody in the Stones camp ever said the tour was about promoting the album. If it was all about that, then why not just say it? Sure the side notion works because it is conveinient in that Sticky Fingers is being released .. but that was not it's intended primary purpose. Mick Jagger said this tour wasn't specifically to promote the album .. and the name of the tour is taken in two different ways ... it refers to the zip-code of the stadium or area they are playing ... (and it serves as a hint or a code name... no pun for Sticky Fingers album / it's cover).

Promoting the album goes 'hand in hand' but there is no money in promoting the album Sticky Fingers... Why tour behind something that isn't going to make you much cash at all? If they are lucky it will sell 3 million copies... thats not going to do anything for them, really. The money is in the tour if you want to consider the cash part of it. The tour is a continuation of the 50th .. but in stadiums... and in cities they did not reach in 12-13.

The tours basis is not to promote Sticky Fingers... that part works nicely, and it is in the cards... but the main point of the tour is to do a string of summer stadium shows again.

Mr. Yeats... sure they like the money but come on man .. how much do they need? This isn't solely about the change. They seem to seriously love doing it. Sure they may not do it w/o the cash ...but I seriously think they like doing it FIRST and the cash is a nice incentive is all.


Ian

Steel Wheels wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 5:26am:

I called it the "Hits and Tits" tour. The setlist is pretty much the same as the 50th, with a few changes here and there. And I was right when I said that they wouldn't play the entire SF album all the time. Too many slow songs for a stadium. Continue.

lots of tits
no nipples

This tour is about making money. Same as every other Stones tour.

Always understood that ZIP Code was a play on ZIPPER as in the album cover of STICKY FINGERS...

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

This tour is about making money. Same as every other Stones tour.

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Actually, The Stones are not really going to earn much cash this tour. That is why they did that private gig for that former HP Exec.

They make anywhere from $250.00 to $500.00 bucks a night now. Sure that's pretty good money .. but they had to rent a jet.. and pitch in to pay for the stage .. When it's all said and done all four Stones are probably only pocketing  $75.00 - $80.00 bucks a gig (that's not even taking into consideration their hotel costs while they are on the road). 
The roadies and technicians are mostly under a volunteer program .. being as they are all Stones fans. Chuck, Lisa, Bernard and the rest of the support musicians etc. ...  work for food most of the tour (they put on the show and get free pizza back stage afterward etc.).


Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:17pm:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 10:02pm: This tour is about making money. Same as every other Stones tour. _______________________________________________ Actually, The Stones are not really going to earn much cash this tour. That is why they did that private gig for that former HP Exec. They make anywhere from $250.00 to $500.00 bucks a night now. Sure that's pretty good money .. but they had to rent a jet.. and pitch in to pay for the stage .. When it's all said and done all four Stones are probably only pocketing  $75.00 - $80.00 bucks a gig (that's not even taking into consideration their hotel costs while they are on the road).  The roadies and technicians are mostly under a volunteer program .. being as they are all Stones fans. Chuck, Lisa, Bernard and the rest of the support musicians etc. ...  work for food most of the tour (they put on the show and get free pizza back stage afterward etc.). Ian

Ian - I like you mate. You seem a good geezer and a 'true believer'. But some things you say make no sense, apart from being patently false.

I know you like to wind people up and get a reaction, but why would you insult Lisa and Bernard et al by saying they work for pizza? Why do you hold them in such contempt?

Before you respond, if you do, please review your last post and think about what YOU have written. Do you really believe these sorts of things, or are you just taking the piss?

If so, it's not a very clever piss take at all. And the joke's on you, mate.

Apart from a period of about a year in 2005-2006 when they tried to kid people that they were touring behind a Bigger Bang by half apologetically playing 3-4 songs from it a night before they lost interest mid tour the Stones haven't 'toured behind' an album since 1998.

Actually - scratch that. They've toured behind disc 2 of 40 Licks since 2002.

I don't know of anyone who is taking this Sticky Fingers tour thing seriously so I'm at a loss as to where this misconception comes from.

The bands priorities have been concert revenue , nostalgia and marketing for about 15 years to the exclusion of pretty much everything else. The tour name is just a clever bit of marketing and a nice pun on the reissue of an old record. Renaming each tour doesn't mean it's anything different to what's been happening since the start of the millennium.

They're  touring because they like performing, are still very good at it, but maybe as significantly because they don't grasp the concept of 'enough ' when it comes to being offered money they'll never spend or need and because at this stage of their lives, they really don't have anything else to do.

Mr. Yeats wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:30am:

Ian Billen wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 11:17pm: sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 10:02pm: This tour is about making money. Same as every other Stones tour. _______________________________________________ Actually, The Stones are not really going to earn much cash this tour. That is why they did that private gig for that former HP Exec. They make anywhere from $250.00 to $500.00 bucks a night now. Sure that's pretty good money .. but they had to rent a jet.. and pitch in to pay for the stage .. When it's all said and done all four Stones are probably only pocketing  $75.00 - $80.00 bucks a gig (that's not even taking into consideration their hotel costs while they are on the road).  The roadies and technicians are mostly under a volunteer program .. being as they are all Stones fans. Chuck, Lisa, Bernard and the rest of the support musicians etc. ...  work for food most of the tour (they put on the show and get free pizza back stage afterward etc.). Ian Ian - I like you mate. You seem a good geezer and a 'true believer'. But some things you say make no sense, apart from being patently false. I know you like to wind people up and get a reaction, but why would you insult Lisa and Bernard et al by saying they work for pizza? Why do you hold them in such contempt? Before you respond, if you do, please review your last post and think about what YOU have written. Do you really believe these sorts of things, or are you just taking the piss? If so, it's not a very clever piss take at all. And the joke's on you, mate.

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Mr. Yeats ... me and Gazza are right on the same page with this.. He nailed it, better than I was describing what this tour is about. I suppose the jokes on him as well. Speaking of Jokes... no, I hold no contempt for Lisa or Bernard etc.? I suppose you feel I hold contempt for all four of The Rolling Stones being as I joked about them only pocketing about 80.00 a night. No I don't hold contempt for the roadies and techs who I jokingly said were simply voluteers.

The post in which I described their piddely compensation for this tour was a <J-O-K-E> ... Mr. Yeats .. Gaaaeeeeze lol

[quote author=1432292932530 link=1435635383/11#11 date=1435756216]Apart from a period of about a year in 2005-2006 when they tried to kid people that they were touring behind a Bigger Bang by half apologetically playing 3-4 songs from it a night before they lost interest mid tour the Stones haven't 'toured behind' an album since 1998.

Actually - scratch that. They've toured behind disc 2 of 40 Licks since 2002.

I don't know of anyone who is taking this Sticky Fingers tour thing seriously so I'm at a loss as to where this misconception comes from.

The bands priorities have been concert revenue , nostalgia and marketing for about 15 years to the exclusion of pretty much everything else. The tour name is just a clever bit of marketing and a nice pun on the reissue of an old record. Renaming each tour doesn't mean it's anything different to what's been happening since the start of the millennium.

They're  touring because they like performing, are still very good at it, but maybe as significantly because they don't grasp the concept of 'enough ' when it comes to being offered money they'll never spend or need and because at this stage of their lives, they really don't have anything else to do.

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^You nailed this ... You described my thoughts perfectly and described exactly what this tour is all about and what it stands for / what the concepts are.

Most people here think this tour is a tour behind Sticky Fingers (a 40 year old album??)?? The tour is helping out Sticky Fingers a bit and used a bit to that push, but it is not a tour behind the re-release of an album. It is a special ancedote to the tour is what it is... a side attraction along with the main attraction... which is simply a Rolling Stones summer stadium tour, 2015. At least A Bigger Bang was <officially> a tour in which they were touring behind that (this tour they are not) ... though ABB was for the better part, left alone as far as live songs go and promotion as you stated.

The era of anyone 'touring behind' an album ended once concert grosses started outstripping revenue from album sales.

Nowadays, a commercial release is generally an 'excuse' to justify a tour artistically - in some cases, its more convincing than others

Gazza wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 7:20pm:

The era of anyone 'touring behind' an album ended once concert grosses started outstripping revenue from album sales. Nowadays, a commercial release is generally an 'excuse' to justify a tour artistically - in some cases, its more convincing than others

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Right... the big money is in the touring and it's going more and more to that notion. Selling five million downloads is nice and will get you a semi-comfy annual earning ... Some change to play with .... but that is not going to make you boat loads of cash... it won't come close to anything like it used to be in that regard. It isn't 1976 anymore. The money is in the 'live shows'.

At any rate .. This tour is only that... a tour to do stadium gigs again. What they make off of Sticky Fingers will be peanuts as compared to what they will cash in on the tour...

Touring behind an album, especially one 40 friggin years old is a rediculous notion and is ... well ... non-sensical ... (and they say I'm the one that is crazy in all this ....lol?). Not sure why people think this is the main concept in Zip Code ... it isn't .. It just happens to work as a side addition to the tour.

Ian

An argument for either side, via smoke and mirrors of RS.com:


ZIP CODE: Raleigh 27607

Tonight the Rolling Stones rocked the Carter-Finley Stadium in Raleigh, North Carolina!

The band played a killer set under the full moon, with cosmic tunes including the very appropriate ‘Moonlight Mile’, ‘Shine A Light’ (which won the song vote)  and ‘Out Of Control’, along with much loved songs ‘Let’s Spend The Night Together’, ‘Midnight Rambler’ and ‘Miss You’,

Along with ‘Moonlight Mile’, the band also paid tribute to Sticky Fingers by playing ‘Bitch’ and ‘Brown Sugar’. All three songs are featured on the brand new album Sticky Fingers Live, recorded at the ZIP CODE opening night at the Fonda Theatre, Los Angeles, released yesterday exclusively on iTunes.

Ian,
I'm not sure where you are coming up with your facts and figures about who makes what, but I think its more all the way around.

I dont think its all about the money anymore. They already proved to themselves and to everyone else that they are a money making machine. I say, :Well deserved!

As for the Sticky Fingers Zipper Zip Code Tour, its a very weak link from the album to the tour, but there is some promo involved, not much to be excited about except the addition of MOONLIGHT MILE to the setlist. So for that song alone I give it a nod.

As for why they are still touring, its because they can. KEEF has said they will never stop until one of them drops dead so lets hope they live long lives. MICK has said that they will go on until nobody wants to hear them anymore. Thats not likely to happen so lets be thankful they are still alive and well enough to to stadiums, arenas, clubs or whatever they choose and whereever they choose, because they are the ROLLING STONES! Thats what they do!   

NO CHARLIE = NO STONES...death not even a factor

Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 1:18pm:

NO CHARLIE = NO STONES...death not even a factor

Charlie has said (recently) that he is part of a band, and that means going the extra mile and doing things you may not want to do because you are in a band. He has loyalty, and he feels responsibility to the band. Also his grandaughter is a big fan and travels with him so maybe that adds a sense or pride and renewed enthusiasm. He even looks happy during the intros recently. I dont think he wants out.

Does Keith even know his zip code in Conn. ?

Gazza wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 8:10am:

Apart from a period of about a year in 2005-2006 when they tried to kid people that they were touring behind a Bigger Bang by half apologetically playing 3-4 songs from it a night before they lost interest mid tour the Stones haven't 'toured behind' an album since 1998. Actually - scratch that. They've toured behind disc 2 of 40 Licks since 2002. I don't know of anyone who is taking this Sticky Fingers tour thing seriously so I'm at a loss as to where this misconception comes from. The bands priorities have been concert revenue , nostalgia and marketing for about 15 years to the exclusion of pretty much everything else. The tour name is just a clever bit of marketing and a nice pun on the reissue of an old record. Renaming each tour doesn't mean it's anything different to what's been happening since the start of the millennium. They're  touring because they like performing, are still very good at it, but maybe as significantly because they don't grasp the concept of 'enough ' when it comes to being offered money they'll never spend or need and because at this stage of their lives, they really don't have anything else to do.

I don't agree, mate. If the phrase 'touring behind' an album is incorrect, then I stand corrected (just as touring behind 'Made In the Shade' in '75 may have been a misnomer).

But the fact is that they are touring in conjunction with Sticky Fingers and the Marquee Club packages.

The Stones have always been about making money, as much as possible, hence the live gigs. To lend credence to the tour, they are marketing SF and the Marquee (ans well as the upcoming Hyde Park DVD).

These things are not coincidences; they've never toured without a physical new release on the shelves, even if only a hits package. 

Bitch wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 1:47pm:

Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 1:18pm: NO CHARLIE = NO STONES...death not even a factor Charlie has said (recently) that he is part of a band, and that means going the extra mile and doing things you may not want to do because you are in a band. He has loyalty, and he feels responsibility to the band. Also his grandaughter is a big fan and travels with him so maybe that adds a sense or pride and renewed enthusiasm. He even looks happy during the intros recently. I dont think he wants out.

I was speaking more to the fact that Keith once said that if Charlie ever decided to quit, that would be the end of the band, No Charlie = No Stones....as in They subbed out Brian, Taylor, Wyman, Mick, ( sorta with the New Barbarians...a stretch, I know)...They would NEVER sub Charlie...

Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 11:15pm:

Bitch wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 1:47pm: Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 2nd, 2015 at 1:18pm: NO CHARLIE = NO STONES...death not even a factor Charlie has said (recently) that he is part of a band, and that means going the extra mile and doing things you may not want to do because you are in a band. He has loyalty, and he feels responsibility to the band. Also his grandaughter is a big fan and travels with him so maybe that adds a sense or pride and renewed enthusiasm. He even looks happy during the intros recently. I dont think he wants out. I was speaking more to the fact that Keith once said that if Charlie ever decided to quit, that would be the end of the band, No Charlie = No Stones....as in They subbed out Brian, Taylor, Wyman, Mick, ( sorta with the New Barbarians...a stretch, I know)...They would NEVER sub Charlie...

Don't be so sure... ya think if Charlie dropped dead tomorrow they wouldn't phone up Steve Jordan or someone? This is the Stones we're talking about.

After the tour, who knows? Again, this is Jagger and Richards...

Really...the name of this tour should be called "The Taylor Years" tour

Album         #Songs
Exile                 3
Let It Bleed      3
Sticky Fingers      3
Non-LP Singles 2
Some Girls      2
Beggars Banquet      1
Between the Buttons      1
Bridges to Babylon      1
It’s Only Rock ’n Roll      1
Out of Our Heads      1
Tattoo You              1

Com'on you people, Mick Taylor is the real star of SF, Ronnie Wood only plays Mick Taylor Parts, & the same with Brian, has Ronnie ever played any memorial solo's since Mick Taylor???????

This is a harbinger of things to come.  It doesn't portend well.  Blow the weatherman.  You really let the fish out of the goddam bag with this one, Ian Biffen!  No riding on the groove line tonight!

sirmoonie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 6:07pm:

This is a harbinger of things to come.  It doesn't portend well.  Blow the weatherman.  You really let the fish out of the goddam bag with this one, Ian Biffen!  No riding on the groove line tonight!

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..."You really let the fish out of the goddam bag with this one, Ian Biffen!"


I guess that happens at times ... ha

Bitch wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Ian, I'm not sure where you are coming up with your facts and figures about who makes what, but I think its more all the way around. I dont think its all about the money anymore. They already proved to themselves and to everyone else that they are a money making machine. I say, :Well deserved! As for the Sticky Fingers Zipper Zip Code Tour, its a very weak link from the album to the tour, but there is some promo involved, not much to be excited about except the addition of MOONLIGHT MILE to the setlist. So for that song alone I give it a nod. As for why they are still touring, its because they can. KEEF has said they will never stop until one of them drops dead so lets hope they live long lives. MICK has said that they will go on until nobody wants to hear them anymore. Thats not likely to happen so lets be thankful they are still alive and well enough to to stadiums, arenas, clubs or whatever they choose and whereever they choose, because they are the ROLLING STONES! Thats what they do!

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Bitch .. my dear .. those fact / figures I threw out were a <Joke> lol. I was only acting silly in the notion that The Stones and their entourage don't make much cash ... it was all a joke. Do ya really think, that I believed Mick Jagger only pocketed 80 bux from each live gig .. or in that they have to pay for their own hotel rooms?

Cut me a little slack .. Gaaeeeeze :)

Anyway, it is not <all> about the money I agree with you. It is about wanting to do it, wanting to perform live, and having a good time first .. and the money is a second place thing. Still ... even at second place...they want to maximize ... as is very evident due to those outlanish Ticket prices.