I am reading on FB and private emails (from someone with a legitimate connection to MT) that, thus far,  Mick Taylor has NOT been invited to participate in the next leg of the tour.

I thought MT was a lock due to the insurance issues re Keith.

However, I also know that there was extreme tension between MT and Mick Jagger with regard to Taylor's limited use. Taylor was reportedly very frustrated after the OZ shows.

Gazza, your thoughts???

It's been suggested by some Taylor diehards with good contacts that his inclusion on this tour is far from a certainty.

Being included on the 2013-2014 shows had a lot to do with insurance issues over Keith as much as any goodwill on the band's part - it was very convenient that it tied in nicely with a 50th anniversary tour - we've all seen by now the leaked documents regarding the Australian tour postponement which basically verifies that as it effectively had Keith as uninsurable.  One way of looking at that now is that as Keith was problem-free in 2012-14, having a 'back up' is no longer necessary.

There certainly were some issues with Mick Jagger on the last tour. Without betraying a confidence too much, he was told that he was out of the band on the eve of a very very high profile show on the tour only to mysteriously appear on stage on 'Midnight Rambler' the following night!

Very shabby treatment on the Stones' part if they've dropped him for the 2015 leg. Not that we'd expect anything else, sadly.

Personally speaking, the announcement at 72 hours notice that Mick and Bill were playing the 02 shows were what swayed me to get a ticket and book a flight. Dropping him and the way the shows have reverted to another warhorse fest make it less likely I'd bother if they returned to Europe next year.

I really hope this story is bollocks and maybe its just a case that they havent asked him yet, but intend to. Hopefully that's all it is. The shows are, what, four months away?


Lots of North American fans never got to see Mick T playing with them two years and those in South America likely to see the Stones this year missed out on shows with him last year - and he's never played there with the Stones.

Personally, I would rather NOT see them use him only for MR and acoustic (why bother?) on Satisfaction. It's too frustrating!!

But that's ME and I got to see Mick Taylor perform with the band in 2013 and it WAS surreal to see him on that stage. 

If true, I too, feel terrible for all the fans that do not get to see the return of Mick Taylor and his brilliance; and make no mistake, the 2013-14  MR with MT was brilliant.

Chicago II (May, 2013) will remain one of the highlights of my 42 year Stones journey as I got to see killer versions of Rambler AND CYHMK with Mick Taylor.

Jagger's fucking ego strikes again; and I truly believe that is at the root of this.

i guess they will used him for Dance Little Sister and maybe if Keith goes Backstage before his three tracks, he can play Times waits for no one with Ron.

Awesome  !!!!

The same friend who sent me the tentative tour dates also told me that Taylor WOULD be along for these U.S. shows, the Stones had trouble putting butts in seats here in '13, drop Taylor and a lot of fans who went to see him with them in '13 won't bother coming this time around.

LadyJane wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:49am:

Personally, I would rather NOT see them use him only for MR and acoustic (why bother?) on Satisfaction. It's too frustrating!!

Its bizarre. About a third of the bloody songs they play each night featured him on the studio version - and they then feature him on the same two songs (and he may as well not be there on the second one), neither of which he played on originally (saying that, Midnight Rambler' is a highlight of any Stones show and was an even bigger highlight with him playing on it). I can't grasp how they can justify performing stuff like 'Bitch', 'Tumbling Dice' or 'Brown Sugar' while he's sitting backstage scratching his arse! What a wasted opportunity.

I remember at the Berlin show - cant remember which song - watching the band performing from the pit, and being able to see Mick T sitting at the back of the stage at a table facing the side of the arena looking at what looked like a computer screen....and wondering it'd be funny if he logged on to a Stones message board and complain about them underusing him!

Not much point us bitching about something that may not happen, though  - it wouldn't surprise me if its just a case of plans not being that far advanced yet.

The thing is though that if they decide NOT to invite him, you can bet you'll hear about  through the fan community, not through official channels. They're very unlikely to make a specific announcement that he's not on the tour. From their perspective, there'd be nothing to gain from doing so.

MRD8 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 8:09am:

The same friend who sent me the tentative tour dates also told me that Taylor WOULD be along for these U.S. shows, the Stones had trouble putting butts in seats here in '13, drop Taylor and a lot of fans who went to see him with them in '13 won't bother coming this time around.

Precisely. If you're going to have $700-1000 seats as some kind of bad taste gimmick, you're going to need to dangle a pretty good carrot at people to fill them.

Mick Taylor is large part of the Stones legend, he should be included.

Additionally, MT is a beautiful guitar player and a fucking asset. 

I have met the man and he is a CLASS ACT.

This shit runs deep, it makes no sense at all.

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LadyJane wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:49am:

Jagger's fucking ego strikes again; and I truly believe that is at the root of this.

a...GREED!!

Gazza wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

It's been suggested by some Taylor diehards with good contacts that his inclusion on this tour is far from a certainty. Being included on the 2013-2014 shows had a lot to do with insurance issues over Keith as much as any goodwill on the band's part - it was very convenient that it tied in nicely with a 50th anniversary tour - we've all seen by now the leaked documents regarding the Australian tour postponement which basically verifies that as it effectively had Keith as uninsurable.  One way of looking at that now is that as Keith was problem-free in 2012-14, having a 'back up' is no longer necessary. There certainly were some issues with Mick Jagger on the last tour. Without betraying a confidence too much, he was told that he was out of the band on the eve of a very very high profile show on the tour only to mysteriously appear on stage on 'Midnight Rambler' the following night! Very shabby treatment on the Stones' part if they've dropped him for the 2015 leg. Not that we'd expect anything else, sadly. Personally speaking, the announcement at 72 hours notice that Mick and Bill were playing the 02 shows were what swayed me to get a ticket and book a flight. Dropping him and the way the shows have reverted to another warhorse fest make it less likely I'd bother if they returned to Europe next year. I really hope this story is bollocks and maybe its just a case that they havent asked him yet, but intend to. Hopefully that's all it is. The shows are, what, four months away? Lots of North American fans never got to see Mick T playing with them two years and those in South America likely to see the Stones this year missed out on shows with him last year - and he's never played there with the Stones.

Yes, their is a certain ex-Rock Offer who shall be named. GLENCAR! Who has been trashing Rocks Off on the Shidoobee page on Facebook. AS if we didn't already know what a dick this guy was. He's using this subject as an excuse to trash RO for bad info and not mentioning Taylor won't be on  the next tour. Never mind that their hasn't been a next leg or tour announced yet. Stay classy Blue.  :kissmyass :boring

I must be missing something in the insurance document because I don't see a single thing about liability with Keith, his ability or anything else. If there is something I missed, please PM me so I can review it again.

If MT is upset, be should have thought about that during contract negotiations. He has no reason to be upset. It's not like he was doing anything anyway. Truth be told, he's not that popular. In the 90's he was doing ten dollar shows that were not well attended. His back catalog isn't flying off the shelves and he's not in demand in the studio.

He's being paid to do two songs, one of which is the most important song in their catalog - Midnight Rambler. It's a showcase for each member. Theatrically and musically, it's the center piece of the concert.

"   ......   I must be missing something in the insurance document because I don't see a single thing about liability with Keith, his ability or anything else. If there is something I missed, please PM me so I can review it again.

If MT is upset, be should have thought about that during contract negotiations. He has no reason to be upset. It's not like he was doing anything anyway. Truth be told, he's not that popular. In the 90's he was doing ten dollar shows that were not well attended. His back catalog isn't flying off the shelves and he's not in demand in the studio.

He's being paid to do two songs, one of which is the most important song in their catalog - Midnight Rambler. It's a showcase for each member. Theatrically and musically, it's the center piece of the concert. "


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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Gazza wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 7:28am: It's been suggested by some Taylor diehards with good contacts that his inclusion on this tour is far from a certainty. Being included on the 2013-2014 shows had a lot to do with insurance issues over Keith as much as any goodwill on the band's part - it was very convenient that it tied in nicely with a 50th anniversary tour - we've all seen by now the leaked documents regarding the Australian tour postponement which basically verifies that as it effectively had Keith as uninsurable.  One way of looking at that now is that as Keith was problem-free in 2012-14, having a 'back up' is no longer necessary. There certainly were some issues with Mick Jagger on the last tour. Without betraying a confidence too much, he was told that he was out of the band on the eve of a very very high profile show on the tour only to mysteriously appear on stage on 'Midnight Rambler' the following night! Very shabby treatment on the Stones' part if they've dropped him for the 2015 leg. Not that we'd expect anything else, sadly. Personally speaking, the announcement at 72 hours notice that Mick and Bill were playing the 02 shows were what swayed me to get a ticket and book a flight. Dropping him and the way the shows have reverted to another warhorse fest make it less likely I'd bother if they returned to Europe next year. I really hope this story is bollocks and maybe its just a case that they havent asked him yet, but intend to. Hopefully that's all it is. The shows are, what, four months away? Lots of North American fans never got to see Mick T playing with them two years and those in South America likely to see the Stones this year missed out on shows with him last year - and he's never played there with the Stones. Yes, their is a certain ex-Rock Offer who shall be named. GLENCAR! Who has been trashing Rocks Off on the Shidoobee page on Facebook. AS if we didn't already know what a dick this guy was. He's using this subject as an excuse to trash RO for bad info and not mentioning Taylor won't be on  the next tour. Never mind that their hasn't been a next leg or tour announced yet. Stay classy Blue.  :kissmyass :boring

sad, I say we continue his ban for another year.

glencar?

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Steel Wheels wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:17am:

I must be missing something in the insurance document because I don't see a single thing about liability with Keith, his ability or anything else. If there is something I missed, please PM me so I can review it again.

Keith Richards

Not covered for anything resulting from a head injury he suffered in 2006, when he fell out of a coconut tree while on holiday in Fiji with Ronnie Wood. He needed surgery to relieve bleeding around his brain, cancelling 13 shows and postponing another five

Not covered for anything relating to osteoarthritis, “alcohol abuse” or “liver failure and/or disease”

Anyone who watched shows from mid-2006 until the end of that tour a year later would have noticed that there were many shows where he was struggling to hold it together for the entire gig. Some gigs he had a few 'moments' but was otherwise functional, other gigs he was all over the place. He admitted himself he was on heavy medication as his head injury had given him epileptic seizures and that he subsequently cut down on his alcohol and drug intake.

Similarly, anyone who saw any shows from 2012 to date will have noticed a considerable improvement.

It would make sense that he would be seen as a high risk for an insurer in 2012 after what had happened previously.

I'm thirtysomething years old, and I would never climb a coconut tree. That is stupid.

I once fell from a house; a small house, but still it caused some damage.

Ah, so that is what they mean by liability. A preexisting condition or future incident that the insurance company won't cover. 

All four members of the band received medical clearances to go on the road, and since there's nothing in the insurance policy regarding Mick Taylor, I've felt that his being on tour was just a way to say thanks for what you've done.

One last thing about that insurance paperwork - they made no mention of the Atlantic City show that was cancelled due to a supposedly sick Mick Jagger.

The Stones had no interest in playing that gig and saved up their energy for the Shine A Light performance.

MrPleasant wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

I once fell from a house; a small house, but still it caused some damage.

Was the house OK?

Steel Wheels wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Ah, so that is what they mean by liability. A preexisting condition or future incident that the insurance company won't cover.  All four members of the band received medical clearances to go on the road, and since there's nothing in the insurance policy regarding Mick Taylor, I've felt that his being on tour was just a way to say thanks for what you've done.

Taylor isnt a band member. His insurance would have been as of much significance to the insurers as that of Lisa Fischer or Tim Ries.

Medical clearances to go on the road is one thing. Insurance cover for a multi-million dollar venture is another entirely. There were clauses for both Keith and Woody that cancellations caused by certain specified health reasons wouldn't be covered.

I dont think its mere coincidence that there were no shows at all on the last tour where either of them were fucked up or barely playing. Its been decades since they were BOTH up to the task simultaneously for prolonged periods. More than ever before, I believe they had to be (I dont think Jagger would have gone on the road otherwise - insisting on Blondie Chaplin being dropped was a statement of intent, ensuring Keith would have to be in shape)

It speaks volumes that previously they were able to get insurance cover for 130-date tours stretching over two years and yet in 2014 couldnt get it for a short tour of about a dozen shows in six weeks.

I do agree there was an element of giving some props to Taylor because it was a 50th anniversary tour, but as well as that it could be seen as an added gimmick to attract lapsed fans put off by high ticket prices for a tired touring format and also as a way of assuring promoters that they had a back up guitarist just in case.

Steel Wheels wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

One last thing about that insurance paperwork - they made no mention of the Atlantic City show that was cancelled due to a supposedly sick Mick Jagger. The Stones had no interest in playing that gig and saved up their energy for the Shine A Light performance.

In all fairness...I thought the show they finally did manage to give us was AWESOME!!
AC 2006 was the last show I attended and the rare gems it had would gladly make it my last for their current lack of enthusiasm leaves one to wonder, why bother?

The ONLY reason I saw them on the last tour was this man  :wow, and there is absolutely no way I would pay again if he wasn't there. I didn't realize that Jagger was so instrumental in shunning him. It may be a load of bollocks, but if not, then I finally understand why he is so disliked by many of the people who have felt betrayed by him. The Stones are right wankers though because if you take Mick Taylor out of the show, it really does look like a bit of a sinking ship at this point. He reinvigorated the band in a way that they haven't shown in years. Things looked a little odd when he was pulled out of the final bow: what a bunch of twats for doing that. I remember in an interview that Mick Taylor once said that they have never forgiven me for leaving the band. It may all just be nonsense though and there may be another reason, but, if not, they are really covering themselves in shame.

"Things looked a little odd when he was pulled out of the final bow".

As someone who took great pride in searching for photos to post and save, I do not recall this occurring.

As long as he was on the stage for Satisfaction, he was taking the final bow as far as I'm aware. I could be wrong.........

Steel Wheels wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:17am:

I must be missing something in the insurance document because I don't see a single thing about liability with Keith, his ability or anything else. If there is something I missed, please PM me so I can review it again. If MT is upset, be should have thought about that during contract negotiations. He has no reason to be upset. It's not like he was doing anything anyway. Truth be told, he's not that popular. In the 90's he was doing ten dollar shows that were not well attended. His back catalog isn't flying off the shelves and he's not in demand in the studio. He's being paid to do two songs, one of which is the most important song in their catalog - Midnight Rambler. It's a showcase for each member. Theatrically and musically, it's the center piece of the concert.

It's the name that sales. THE ROLLING STONES.  How well did Mick and Keith do when they tried to go solo? How many tickets do Charlie, Ronnie or Bill sell when they do solo shows? When Taylor was on stage on the last tour. He was still the best guitar player on stage. He may have made a bad career move by leaving the Stones when he did. But, he's still alive when so many others associated with the Stones aren't.

LadyJane wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

"Things looked a little odd when he was pulled out of the final bow". As someone who took great pride in searching for photos to post and save, I do not recall this occurring. As long as he was on the stage for Satisfaction, he was taking the final bow as far as I'm aware. I could be wrong.........

I am almost 100% sure that it has been a long time since he was with them for the final bow. When I say final bow, I mean with the 4 of them. After he rejoined for his two numbers, he was joining them for the final bow. Then sometime after the U.S. shows, it stopped. The last time I remember was when they were in the States.

It's deep psycho-sexual boy-band stuff of which we can only imagine and shallowly, shirley.
When, to begin with, MT decided to hang around on stage after Bill had graciously stepped off, at the bow of the O2 London show(s), it was sort of him taking the piss / over-stepping his trousers, possibly...

Personally I would like to see the 14 minute slot occupied by a small variety of other ditties.
If 'Thief In The Night' was played, the less mature / concise 'Midnight Rambling' wouldn't always be necessary.

They could groove out rotten & rigid and lovelily and lengthily on one groovy ditty per show.
I would personally be satisfied with a 11 or even 10 minute extrapolation of 'Hey Negrita'

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