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Message started by Edith Grove on Aug 29th, 2014 at 5:22pm

Title: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by Edith Grove on Aug 29th, 2014 at 5:22pm
Can anyone verify ?

http://www.quoka.de/musik-equipment/gitarren-zubehoer/c7110a121027412/gibson-firebird-vii-orig-1963.html

Title: Re: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by philgood on Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:23am
Yep, the seller claims that this guitar belonged to Brian and that this is verified by the serial # and by Anita Pallenberg.
Don't know what to think of it.

Title: Re: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by nankerphelge on Aug 30th, 2014 at 8:26am
How the fuck would Anita Pallenberg know the serial number of Brian Jones' guitar?

That's just fucking stupid.

Title: Re: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by philgood on Aug 30th, 2014 at 9:34am

nankerphelge wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 8:26am:
How the fuck would Anita Pallenberg know the serial number of Brian Jones' guitar?

That's just fucking stupid.


Exactly my thought too, nankerphelge.
I think I can say that I do know a bit about vintage guitars.
Back in the 60ies nobody was interested in serial numbers.
The only thing I can think of regarding the # is that the German customs authority might have registered these because of the importation VAT.
But given that the streetprice of a 1963 Gibson FB VII - owned by a Non-VIP person - is mostly higher than the asked price here makes me wonder.
If the seller really has complete provanence that it belonged to Brian - yes, Brian played a FB VII in 1965 during the German "Bravo Blitz Tourne" - he could easily fetch 20 K and more.

Just my 2 cts.

Title: Re: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by Paranoid Android on Aug 31st, 2014 at 9:38am

nankerphelge wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 8:26am:
How the fuck would Anita Pallenberg know the serial number of Brian Jones' guitar?

That's just fucking stupid.


Good Morning Nanky...Keeping that old hootch Tom in line???

Anyway...your comments made me laugh and spit my coffee out...thanks!

One Paranoid theory...Anita was respected by Jagger and the RS machine (with production opinions allowed as well as credits on songs -SFTD-)...perhaps it was a simple bookkeeping/inventory assignment she had with the group in case of theft or on-line auctions 45 years later, etc...

OR...

since she was a self-proclaimed witch...maybe some sort of numerology thing was in play...
"Oh, no, Brian...buy this one...the numbers add up to the 3rd orbit of a retrograding Mercury...and it's a Tuesday anyway..."

That could explain how the fuck Anita Pallenberg would know the serial number of Brian Jones' guitar...(still cracks me up).
Have a great 3-day...

Title: Re: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by nankerphelge on Aug 31st, 2014 at 10:05am
Even if Anita had some sort of inside track, I think she probably had much better things to do than collect and retain the serial numbers of any of their guitars.

Not saying it couldn't have happened.  But as philgood noted, serial numbers for vintage Gibsons are very esoteric.

See http://home.provide.net/~cfh/gibson.html#serial for example.

And I suppose for insurance reasons someone may have written that information down for their instruments.  But Anita? 

POP QUIZ:  WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING KEEPS RECORDS FOR INSURANCE ON MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS?

(A) Anita



(B) Some doofus



And even if she had such a desire to keep track of the cryptic guitar serial numbers, rather than do drugs and fuck the band, when did this guy supposedly verify this with Anita? 

Tell ya what…you buy it!!

Title: Re: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by Paranoid Android on Aug 31st, 2014 at 10:13am
I told you my theories were paranoid...and i do see at least one place in that photo
where she could have filed that information...where only a few had access...

:booze :booze :booze

Title: Re: (Maybe) Brian Jones guitar for sale? Understanding of German would help...
Post by sirmoonie on Aug 31st, 2014 at 10:21am
Schnodderwippen
Schweinhund
Horst Wessel Lied
Fumpfhundertfumpfundfumpfzig
Scheisskopf
Zyklon B
Bundt kuchen
Pissenschauen
Leipzig under Munchen
Munchen mit proxy
Munchen aupt schnitzel
Drei Reich
Fier Reich
Rumpelstilzkin

That's all the German I know, dude.  Hope it helps!

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