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Title: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 5^th, 2021 at 9:16am

(yes, this is speculation -- reasoned speculation)

"Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" kicks off the 60th anniversary celebrations

Vols 1-2-3 is a wonderful gift from the Stones to their hardcore fans

Well-connected sources say there will be two more such gifts,
Vols 4-5-6 and vols 7-8-9

If you were the cynical sort, you could call these albums bribes to
keep the hardcore fans onside during the inevitable "60 greatest songs"
hype coming this Christmas.

So yes, I think that the decision has been made that an official new
studio album will NOT be part of what is planned for the 60th.

And I think it is a fair exchange. Nine albums of raw Stones that we
all can enjoy instead of one album of polished Stones that many if
not most of us would have been largely indifferent to.

Brilliant way to handle this situation.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" kicks off the 60th anniversary celebrations
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 12:18am

Here's another way to think about it...

"Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" proves beyond the shadow of a doubt
what i have long contended: That the Stones could have put out a
fine new album any time they wanted.

Popular opinion on the fan forums support this: "Why didn't they just finish
some of these tracks and put out a new album?" It is the moan of the day.

But if you take out the moan-tone, it is THE proper question.

And the answer is something else i've long contended: That if the Stones
would have put out a new album of originals, no matter how good it was,
it would have damaged them commercially, in terms of ticket and
merchandise sales.

A new album by a major touring legacy band is currently viewed by the market
as subtracting from their appeal, not adding to it. If it has a classic sound,
its been-there done-that. If its current-sounding, its trendy. Either way, its
not gonna sell very much...

So the proper marketing move is to more-or-less stand pat on your recording
history. Have fun with it. Exploit it. Tour it. Take victory laps. Do whatever
smaller recording projects you feel like, but mostly just enjoy your legendary
status. After sixty years, you've certainly earned it.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" kicks off the 60th anniversary celebrations
Post by Nora on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 2:30am

So many great great songs. What a Corona present for the fans. Been listening on and off for a few days. Really like Hands Off, . too many to mention.
Hoping the other 2 sets will arrive soon
Enjoy.
Jeroen

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" kicks off the 60th anniversary celebrations
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 5:40am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 5^th, 2021 at 9:16am:

"Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" kicks off the 60th anniversary celebrations

Vols 1-2-3 is a wonderful gift from the Stones to their hardcore fans

More possible evidence that this is indeed an official release:

1) The artwork says "Black Frisco Records, 8-1-7 nishi-shinjuku shinjuku-ku tokyo 163 japan"

That is the exact address of ISO Records which has done numerous official David Bowie releases,
in association with Sony and Columbia

"Black Frisco Records" was never heard-of before now

2) Keith posts "new music on the horizon" and a few days later we get this

3) Does anybody really believe that the Stones could not have crushed this release
if they wanted to? If it was stolen or hacked.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Gazza on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 11:33am

Its a nice thought but I doubt they have that spirit of generosity.

What it does suggest is that they do (or at some point did) have plans for a career spanning boxed set of unreleased material, as several of these songs appear to have had work done on them years after they were originally recorded.

Leaks and thefts do happen. The Voodoo Brew and Voodoo Stew box sets (8-discs worth) came from material leaked by Ronnie's stepson. I remember getting a very low generation tape of the original c90 of Dirty Work outtakes in early 1987 and the guy who sent them to me told me that HE got them from a guy in LA who was given the tape by none other than Ronnie himself! Don Was has had material stolen and leaked. The previously unheard of Steel Wheels Monitor Mixes that were first circulated on this site in 2006 or 2007 were passed on to us by Chuch Magee's widow.

The Bigger Bang alternate mixes that I circulated a few years ago came about when I downloaded them off a guy on soulseek - they were in mp3 format so when I messaged him and asked him if he had the flac files he told me he hadnt and explained how he got them - he worked for a company who in the summer of 2005 were using Sterling Sound Studios in New York as a storage facility. He happened to be browsing one day, saw a folder marked 'Rolling Stones', found the files and downloaded them (unfortunately he had a HD crash and the lossless files got lost, so mp3 is all that exists). He assumed these versions were in circulation until I told him otherwise.

I guess whoever 'liberated' these were very good at keeping their mouths shut and their powder dry until they were able to arrange to have them mass produced for profit.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 4:14pm

Gazza wrote on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 11:33am:

I doubt they have that spirit of generosity...

Leaks and thefts do happen.

1) As i said, you don't have to view it as generous. You can view it as strategic,
especially if i'm correct that these releases are instead of a new album

2) Yes, leaks and thefts happen, but are they ever released by a company
(ISO records) that works with major labels?

3) "U2StonesFan" on IORR does a good job of explaining why it is likely a recent
"leak" of U2 material was sanctioned by the band. It was a strategic move by them
to rev up their hardcore, same as what the Stones are doing now.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 5:28am

I'm thinking: keep the original thread for the music, and use this one for
the things that seem a bit strange...

1) I had been googling "fully finished studio outtakes" and the hits had been steadily growing,
but now, although google says 4770 results, it actually only gives 34 results, ending on page 4

2) an ebay listing sold 102 copies of the digipack (out of a total run supposedly of 500),
but if you search the item number, it now shows no such item, even under "sold" listings.
(i'm not sure how i found it -- it was probably one of the now-purged google results)

https://eixk3lpgincvrghp4mynr2lxb4-jj2cvlaia66be-www-ebay-ca.translate.goog/itm/THE-ROLLING-STONES-FULLY-FINISHED-STUDIO-OUTTAKES-VOLUME-1-2-3-DELUX-3-CD-SET/373477685429?hash=item56f50138b5:g:t-QAAOSwpqFgOjPN

so it does qualify as a bit strange when both google and ebay are disappearing this thing...

almost but not quite shoving it down the memory hole

so perhaps it really is contraband?

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by open-g on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 11:58am

Mickboy, on IORR wrote:

YouTube account and channel has been pulled by universal!

don't remember the YT user name but he had a huge arsenal of the new material - all gone.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Gazza on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 1:13pm

Niels. Yes, all the videos we shared were from his account.

Was a cert to happen sooner or later but it was good while it lasted!

best grab those wetransfer files while they're available, folks!

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Gazza on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 1:15pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 4:14pm:

Gazza wrote on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 11:33am:

I doubt they have that spirit of generosity...

Leaks and thefts do happen.

Saw that. Only a rumour though. Two different bands, however but an intriguing propsect

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Paranoid Android on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 6:37am

Gazza wrote on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 11:33am:

The Bigger Bang alternate mixes that I circulated a few years ago came about when I downloaded them off a guy on soulseek - they were in mp3 format so when I messaged him and asked him if he had the flac files he told me he hadnt and explained how he got them - he worked for a company who in the summer of 2005 were using Sterling Sound Studios in New York as a storage facility. He happened to be browsing one day, saw a folder marked 'Rolling Stones', found the files and downloaded them

I can verify this...I recall reading this on the interwebs...prolly here, lol

But I do recall this background story.

Gimme More

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 5:05pm

this seller has sold 20 copies previously. new listing...

(just sold one minute ago)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-ROLLING-STONES-FULLY-FINISHED-STUDIO-OUTTAKES-VOL-1-2-3-BLACK-FRISCO-NEW/114707316108?hash=item1ab516bd8c:g:1JEAAOSwMDJgRqTx&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId

(i don't know about the original 20 copies this italian seller sold, but this listing says "will
ship on april 1." the swedish seller who sold 102 copies has positive feedback already from
happy recipients of the item)

addendum: was able to check the original 20 sold -- they had immediate shipping --
so at least this seller (100% positive feedback) is expecting more copies -- which
is intriguing

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 7:04pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

i don't know about the original 20 copies this italian seller sold, but this listing says "will
ship on april 1."

addendum: was able to check the original 20 sold -- they had immediate shipping --
so at least this seller (100% positive feedback) is expecting more copies -- which
is intriguing

a few folks now on IORR are saying that more CDs wil soon be on sale,
including ones manufactured in europe

PS I see that the "Mayflower" label has issued quite a few Stones boots over the years

So is this just a boot of a boot? Or is something else going on?

Without any proof, but knowing Jagger, I've always thought that at least some
Stones boots were surreptitiously part of the Stones business model. But these new
"finished outtakes" might be taking this concept to a whole new level

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:34am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

this seller has sold over 40 copies total now, and seems to be putting up
a new copy every 20 minutes or so (not shipping til april 1)

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Paranoid Android on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 3:52pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:34am:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

this seller has sold over 40 copies total now, and seems to be putting up
a new copy every 20 minutes or so (not shipping til april 1)

All I get is this:

This listing has ended.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 4:10pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 3:52pm:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 7:34am:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 8^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

this seller has sold over 40 copies total now, and seems to be putting up
a new copy every 20 minutes or so (not shipping til april 1)

All I get is this:

This listing has ended.

i have a better way now to see when a new copy appears for sale. it shows
zero/none now, but 10stella49 has sold 78 copies today that have appeared
one or two at a time at this link

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=%22fully+finished+studio+outtakes%22&_sacat=0

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 4:43am

1) don't know if the italian seller is getting more, has sold 102 copies

2) the swedish seller (previously sold 102) is getting more
and selling them now.
says you can buy now but not pay until he has them ready to ship.
free international shippng

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373477685429

3) i suppose this bit of circumstantial evidence should be noted:

bv/iorr is allowing substantial discussion of buying and sharing this item
and pinning it on his main forum, not just restricting it to his trader pages.
would he do that if he didnt have some kind of go-ahead from the stones org?

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Some Guy on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 9:49am

This shows up, poster Ian Billen disappears. Coincidence? Not bloody likely!

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by CS on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 10:01am

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 6:43pm

the only copies (expensive) on ebay now are the mayflower "made in europe" ones

ODDLY the "made in europe" ones are only available from japan
while the orig japanese ones were only available from europe

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 7:51pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 6:43pm:

ODDLY the "made in europe" ones are only available from japan
while the orig japanese ones were only available from europe

Ya know what would be hilarious?

If the orig "made in japan" ones turn out to be mp3-derived, while these
new more-expensive "made in europe" ones are revealed to be the true flacs

i'm not predicting that, i'm just saying thats the kind of joke mick and
keith love to pull on us

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 14^th, 2021 at 1:06am

ebay update:

1) swedish and italian sellers of the orig "made in japan" ones still sold out/MIA

2) briefly a seller from the seychelles(!) showed up with 7 copies of what appeared
to be the same as the swedish/italian one, but listed as "as good as new",
whatever that means. For only 30 + 10 shipping. all gone now. But nice to '
see a third continent getting in on the action.

3) the japanese seller still has the expensive "made in europe" ones, but now says:
"I can deal with this item till March 15, MONDAY!!" Does this mean that Stones Inc
is about to take some kind of action?

Maybe. Or maybe the seller is just trying to hype sales.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Paranoid Android on Mar 14^th, 2021 at 5:45am

Some Guy wrote on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 9:49am:

This shows up, poster Ian Billen disappears. Coincidence? Not bloody likely!

COMEDY GOLD

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Paranoid Android on Mar 14^th, 2021 at 5:48am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 6:43pm:

Is "Made In Europe" a thing?
Would it not say a specific country or at least EU?
Sounds weird to me.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 14^th, 2021 at 6:17am

Paranoid Android wrote on Mar 14^th, 2021 at 5:48am:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 10^th, 2021 at 6:43pm:

Is "Made In Europe" a thing?
Would it not say a specific country or at least EU?
Sounds weird to me.

sorry, i was speaking loosely. I thought it would be clearer that way. Apparently not. To be precise:
-- the ones from japan i called "made in europe" actually say "made in EU"
-- the ones from europe i called "made in japan" actually just give a Tokyo record company address

and just to add to the weirdness, the ones that say "made in EU" include an obi, which i think
is only used by japanese manufacturers

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 14^th, 2021 at 4:55pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 14^th, 2021 at 1:06am:

the japanese seller still has the expensive "made in europe" ones, but now says:
"I can deal with this item till March 15, MONDAY!!" Does this mean that Stones Inc
is about to take some kind of action?

zero copies from anywhere now available on ebay. zero copies now available on "google shopping"

it was selling very well for a bootleg

so why is no one bootlegging it ?

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Nora on Mar 19^th, 2021 at 7:16am

So,
Any News about arrival date of Volume 4-5-6???
Hoping and praying for more of these great outtakes.
Jeroen

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 6:11am

1) The "made in EU"/obi ones from Japan now have new (inferior) cover art (a second printing?)

2) Ah, the tongue-patch-on-jeans theme...

A reminder for me to post something...

In 1970, inspired by the back cover of "after the goldrush"

3) I began work on my own "super jeans", mostly when stoned listening to
music with my friends...

Jeans 1968. Patches 1970-75. Wore them at MSG 72 and Minnesota 75 shows,
and I still wear them every so often on special occasions

4) About 10 years ago, in researching hippie jeans, I put a photo
of them online (as of now, I believe mine are the finest surviving
specimen from that era).

Somebody unknown to me took that photo and made a very cool
animation with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0gKaWSMftM

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 3:04am

"they who have ears, let them hear" Matthew 13:43

"there's lots of things in the vault we're working on
that are going to come out" mick jagger sep 2020

"new music on the horizon" keith richards feb 2021

1) I promise this is the last time I push this passion project
of mine. Sadly, your only compensation for being patient with me
is a couple of download links at the end.

2) At the very least, we can agree that the "finished outtakes"
can be divided into "substantially new" and "not".

3) A further breakdown could be "artifacts" versus "fresh tracks".
Primary amongst the "artifacts" is of course the bowie demo of "iorr".
Nobody can argue against its historical importance. But it is
not "fresh" in the sense i'm using the word. It hasn't been
updated or worked on.

4) Other reasons for non-inclusion of various "outtakes"
include "too mick", "too keith","too been-there-done-that",
or simply because the track does not have enough of the
ragged private-stash vibe that characterizes this collection.

5) Generally speaking, the bonus outtakes on the deluxe albums
have mostly been Mick Jagger products, where he's completed the
lyrics and re-done the vocals in an approximation of his vocal
style at the time of the original session. I appreciate his efforts,
but I don't think the results heretofore have been particularly great.
The deluxe bonus tracks generally sound like what they are. Concoctions.
Imitations.

6) So the first thing i noticed after my first few listens of
"fully finished outtakes" was how many tracks sounded not at all
like concoctions. Mostly because of the very different way Jagger's
vocals and lyrics were handled.

7) But neither did these new tracks sound "raw". Not talking just
about the sound quality. Rather it was clear SOMEBODY had recently
put in a LOT of post-production work on the music.

8) Specifically (in my opinion) four SOMEBODIES, working in two
teams: Keith and Don Was, Mick and Matt Clifford, with Don and
Matt handling the negotiations between the teams. A) Keith got
the time to layer and color with his guitars, to his heart's
content. That's the biggest reason these "Love" tracks have
so much classic-Stones depth. B) Another reason is that Don has
augmented the bass and Matt the keyboards on many of the tracks.
C) And Mick has (happily) agreed that his vocals, whether original
or new, be buried somewhat, that is, be used more as an instrument
than as a hook.

9) Another important division that has persisted throughout the
Stones career is "classic blues rock/big hits/in your face numbers"
versus "groove tracks/mood pieces". The "blues rock" and "big hits"
categories are obvious. But don't forget the "in your face" tracks have
also been key to their huge fame. Stuff like "star fucker",
"doom and gloom", "under my thumb", "sister morphine" etc,
songs where the theme captures a great deal of the attention.

However, for a significant fraction of hardcore fans, including me,
the groove tracks and mood pieces are also very important: lyrics
minimal or buried, choruses and bridges minimal. Stuff like "turd
on the run", "heaven", "pretty beat up", "parachute woman",
"just wanna see his face" etc...

8) So that's my contention basically, that out of the 50 tracks
we were gifted, there are about 28 that more or less meet these
"fresh" criteria, and more or less flow into each other as easily
as, for example, the very dissimilar tracks of "sticky fingers" do.
Or perhaps a better parallel would be "Tattoo you" with its various
recording dates (although the average track on these "Love" albums
is far superior to the average track on "Tattoo"). Also: amazingly
these new tracks flow without me at all changing the playing order.
That's because none of the 28 are "in your face" tracks needing to
be placed and spaced carefully.

9) in summary, these two "Love" compilations are strictly a musical
journey for we, the few, the proud, the Stones cognizati.

I hear these two volumes as a validictory statement by the band,
consisting of what they most like about themselves. Not the fame, not
the money, not the controversy, not even the hit songs. But rather
the MUSIC, both spontaneous and crafted. Commerce for once be damned.

And that's why the Stones needed to make these tracks free. Today's market
just would never fucking understand.

(download links good for 7 days)

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/5fa9c5266520e1bd374bcacc449aa76f20210328070837/799cf8

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/9fed1581e77ea184b3848db21c106fce20210328072154/58f1ad

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by CHIEFMOON on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:31am

Well done sir, burned 'em and dig 'em...

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Some Guy on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 10:26pm

We face the competition with one armed tied behind our backs and we still bat a thousand,

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Apr 6^th, 2021 at 8:44am

CHIEFMOON wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:31am:

Well done sir, burned 'em and dig 'em...

chiefmoon, glad you're happy with it

ok, back on my soapbox...

Mick Jagger talking about the Bridges to Babylon
recording sessions:
"I mean, in the end, it's not like, you know, Bitches Brew.
We're not going off into the stratosphere. Just a little bit.
The grooves are a little bit different."

Wikipedia on Bitches Brew:
"As usual with Miles Davis's recording sessions, he gave a few
instructions, a tempo count, a few chords or a hint of melody,
and suggestions as to mood or tone. Davis liked to work this way.
He thought it forced musicians to pay close attention to one another.
Bitches Brew also pioneered (for jazz) the application of the studio
as a musical instrument, using editing as a form of composition."

1) Indulge me for a minute. What if we are to take the
title "fully finished outtakes" literally? What if
the 28 tunes i've highlighted have indeed been worked
on substantially and are in their INTENDED final form?
What then?

2) I'll tell you "what then": the Stones would have
invented a new genre of rock music.

3) Like all new music genres, it certainly has antecedents.
Besides the Miles/jazz connection, if we are just referencing
the Stones, the earliest is the final 8 minutes of "goin' home".

4) The radical thing about many of the tracks on
The Love Volumes is they purposely exist in this
unexplored territory between jams and songs. Including
vocalizing emotive semi-words.

5) Obviously this is not far removed from what the Stones
have done in the studio for decades. Start with a riff
and run with it. The problems started when Mick got sick
of being left holding the bag, of having to complete
the lyrics/melodies/song structures in order to get the
material into shape for the market.

6) So up til recently there have been only two choices.
Shape the band's real music into something commercial,
or abandon it. But now we suddenly have this new third
choice. Like Miles Davis, use the studio to perfect the
groove you've already found, not to make it more palatable
to the average consumer (who is no longer interested in
the Stones)

7) We need a name for this new genre. A name that encompasses
some very different tracks, from "keep it cool" to "covered
with bruises". I've looked through at least a thousand
names of musical forms and styles hoping to find one I
could adapt or steal, but no luck. A not-catchy-enough
name would be "charlie watts rock", because charlie doesn't
like rock, but he does like this kind of playing, because of
its similarities to jazz. (charlie's performances on
"the love volumes" are a particular treat, often so powerful
that he's not just guiding the band, he's leading it)

8) short music lesson: "keep it cool". a lot of people
apparently hear this track as not-much-happening.
I hear it as the band seamlessly moving through
about 10 variations on a theme.

and all these variations are achieved without harmonica,
sax, or background singers. remarkable.

also, its not coincidental that both Outtakes and Bitches contain
a track called "sanctuary"

9) In acting and in jazz, the phrase "polished improvisation"
is sometimes used. Bitches Brew is also often called jazz-rock.
but The Love Volumes are too distinct from Bitches to share a
category. Names like "groove rock","cool rock","babylon rock",
"voodoo rock" are all in use to some extent and not encompassing
enough.

10) So for now, "finished outtakes" is not just the title
of the bootleg, its also the best name we have so far for
this new genre. Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but I
can't come up with a better one.

11) Hey. Wait a minute. I said I hated the title "dog shit"
for one of my favorite tracks. But I gotta admit "dog shit rock"
or just plain "dog shit" as the ironic genre name is kinda perfect.

12) "Dog Shit" it is!

"There is nothing I want so much as some more dog shit."

"Next album I hope the Stones don't go back to cleaning
up all the dog shit"

"Oh man, Love volume 3 is just as great. The Stones have
really stepped in it again!"

13) Yeah, "dog shit" works. But I still like "God Shit" better.
I don't know, whichever is less offensive.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by andrews27 on Apr 6^th, 2021 at 1:15pm

7) We need a name for this new genre. A name that encompasses
some very different tracks, from "keep it cool" to "covered
with bruises".

"Recyclables rock"

8) also, its not coincidental that both Outtakes and Bitches contain a track called "sanctuary"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XhI_jPG_2M

If you could make an excellent-sounding 10- to 14-track album out of the best, most current-sounding sounding outtakes...then that's the album they should have released in 2019, already.

Title: Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Post by Rev 20 Redlights on Apr 9^th, 2021 at 2:30am

andrews27 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

7) We need a name for this new genre. A name that encompasses
some very different tracks, from "keep it cool" to "covered
with bruises".

"Recyclables rock"

Jagger/Richards respond:

You berate it?
Hate it?
Decided not to play it?
It don't mean nothing to me

You say you want me, baby?
Prove it. Show me deep love

(this track "deep love" is absolutely God Shit, so fierce its almost scary)

(also, i guess it wasn't clear that i didnt mean just the title "sanctuary",
i meant also that the Stones track is essentially jazz, not pop or rock or blues)