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Message started by Edith Grove on May 9th, 2014 at 3:24pm

Title: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Edith Grove on May 9th, 2014 at 3:24pm
When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
by Jeff Giles May 9, 2014



http://youtu.be/nAkMTu6q2pY



For many Rolling Stones fans, 1983′s ‘Undercover’ represented a painfully steep comedown after the outtake-laden — though solidly consistent — ‘Tattoo You.’ But they only faced further disappointment with 1986′s ‘Dirty Work,’ written and recorded during one of the lowest points in the band’s long history.

Chief Stones songwriters Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were already known for their often tempestuous relationship, and in fact, their friction tended to produce some of the band’s best music. But the months leading up to the sessions for ‘Dirty Work’ found the group in general disarray; aside from ongoing conflicts between Jagger and Richards, the other members of the band — including drummer Charlie Watts, bassist Bill Wyman, and guitarist Ron Wood — had their own issues within and without the lineup.

“Mick and I weren’t on great terms at the time, but I said, ‘C’mon, let’s go out,’” Richards recalled in the pages of his ‘Life‘ memoir, looking back on a memorable incident in 1984 that outlined the fissures in the band. “I lent him the jacket I got married in. We got back to the hotel about five in the morning and Mick called up Charlie. I said, ‘Don’t call him, not at this hour.’ But he did, and said, ‘Where’s my drummer?’ No answer. He puts the phone down. Mick and I were still sitting there, pretty [drunk] — give Mick a couple of glasses, he’s gone — when, about 20 minutes later, there was a knock at the door. There was Charlie Watts, Savile Row suit, perfectly dressed, tie, shaved, the whole f—ing bit. I could smell the cologne! I opened the door and he didn’t even look at me, he walked straight past me, got hold of Mick and said, ‘Never call me your drummer again.’ Then he hauled him right up by the lapels of my jacket and gave him a right hook.”

Admitting “the atmosphere was bad” even before the ‘Dirty Work’ sessions started in 1985, Richards recalled that the band had been kept waiting because of Jagger’s budding solo career — and to add insult to injury, by the time they finally convened in Paris to record, “Mick had come with barely any songs for us to work on. He’d used them up on his own record. And he was often just not there at the studio.”

“We usually jam around for a week and then start seriously getting into tracks. But this time we messed around for three weeks. Mick was flying back to London to do 12-inch re-mixes and video edits on his solo stuff. That was a sore point,” admitted Wyman in an interview with Creem. “We thought he should have forgotten his solo album, which was already out and finished. He should have worked with the Stones, but instead he let it drag through and he continued to work on that instead of with the Stones, which was disappointing, and we thought he had got his priorities wrong. His mind wasn’t there.”

Discussing Jagger’s early-1985 solo debut ‘She’s the Boss,’ Richards said, “I thought the timing was very strange. Bringing out something like that, an obviously commercial album, just before we were starting work on the new Stones album. … I mean, if he’d done his favorite Irish folk songs with a lady harpist, or have Liberace accompany him on Frank Sinatra songs, whatever. Something you couldn’t possibly do with the Stones — that would’ve been fine. To my mind a Mick Jagger album should have been a ginormous event, not just another record. I told him it was dumb timing and not an inspired piece of work.”

With Jagger preoccupied and Watts battling alcoholism, it fell to the rest of the band to shoulder the creative burden for the record — and since Wyman, as Richards put it in his book, “almost stopped turning up,” that meant Richards and Wood were left to collaborate on a series of tracks that included ‘One Hit (to the Body),’ ‘Fight,’ and ‘Had It With You.’ As Richards later admitted in ‘Life,’ those violent-sounding titles were no accident.

“We made a video of ‘One Hit (to the Body)’ that more or less told the story — we nearly literally came to blows, over and above our acting duties,” he revealed. Looking over the lyrics to ‘Had It With You,’ which include the line “I love you, dirty f—er,” he added, “That was the kind of mood I was in. … I don’t think I’d ever written a song before, apart maybe from ‘All About You,’ in which I realized I was actually singing about Mick.”

Wood, meanwhile, served as the glue/intermediary between the increasingly distant Jagger and Richards. “During the ‘Dirty Work’ days, that was a really bad time,” he recalled during a 2011 interview with the Guardian. “I got them through that. I’d be like, ‘You stay near the phone, I’m going to get him on the phone and I’ll ring you back.’”

Also putting a damper on the sessions was the unexpected death of keyboard player Ian Stewart, who’d been rudely dismissed from the lineup in 1963, but remained as the band’s road manager and studio session player. Calling Stewart’s passing his “hardest hit” since the death of his son in 1976, Richards admitted, “At first you’re anesthetized, you go on as if he’s still there. … I got really mad at him for leaving me.” In a 1988 interview with Rolling Stone, Richards went a step further, saying that Stewart’s death derailed the promotional campaign for ‘Dirty Work’: “The glue fell out of the whole setup. There’s not a lot of people who realize quite what a tower of strength he was, and how important he was within the band.”

“I produced the worst-ever Rolling Stones album,” ‘Dirty Work’ producer Steve Lillywhite said, laughing during an interview with the A.V. Club. “But basically, I couldn’t turn down the Rolling Stones. A real man would never turn down the chance of working with legends like them. But that doesn’t mean I knew it was going to be any good whatsoever. You need a good tailwind to make a great record, and there wasn’t a great tailwind with the Stones at that point. There was too much bitterness. It was the bad end of the drug-taking. It was just messy, but I had to do it. … I enjoyed working with them and it was great fun hanging out with Keith Richards.”

Of course, even the worst Stones record is better than some bands’ best, and although Lillywhite’s generally shrill production for ‘Dirty Work’ hasn’t aged well, it was right in line with what was popular at the time, and that helped the singles ‘Harlem Shuffle’ (a cover of a 1963 single for the R&B duo Bob & Earl) and ‘One Hit (To the Body)’ break the Top 40. The album itself, one of the better sellers of the year, peaked at No. 4 on the Billboard chart — and while the Stones weren’t really functioning as a band during the recording, they at least had enough taste (and clout) to pull in some stellar guest stars, including Jimmy Page, Bobby Womack, and session drummer Steve Jordan.

Lukewarm as the album’s contents were, promoting them still became a sticking point between Jagger and Richards — one that, for a time, seemed like it might break up the band for good. “I badly wanted to tour with it,” Richards wrote. “So, of course, did the other band members, who wanted to work. But Mick sent us a letter saying he wouldn’t tour. He wanted to get on with his solo career. Soon after the letter came, I read in one of the English tabloids of Mick saying the Rolling Stones are a millstone around my neck …I had no doubt that some part of his mind was thinking that, but saying it is another thing. That’s when World War III was declared.”

“Touring ‘Dirty Work’ would have been a nightmare,” retorted Jagger during an interview with Rolling Stone. “It was a terrible period. Everyone was hating each other so much; there were so many disagreements. It was very petty; everyone was so out of their brains, and Charlie was in seriously bad shape. When the idea of touring came up, I said, ‘I don’t think it’s gonna work.’ In retrospect, I was a hundred percent right. It would have been the worst Rolling Stones tour. Probably would have been the end of the band.”

Richards “became very upset and overreacted when I wanted to do a solo record, which in retrospect seems a natural thing to want to do,” Jagger countered. “But even before that, everyone was bored playing with each other. We’d reached a period when we were tired of it all. Bill was not enthusiastic to start with. There’s a guy that doesn’t really want to do much. He’s quite happy, whatever he’s told to do, but he’s not suggesting anything, not helping — a bit morose and bored. You’ve got Charlie overdoing it in all directions. … We just got fed up with each other. You’ve got a relationship with musicians that depends on what you produce together. But when you don’t produce, you get bad reactions — bands break up. You get difficult periods, and that was one of them.”

Conceding that you’ve got to have a powerful ego to be a rock frontman, Richards argued to Rolling Stone that in the wake of ‘Dirty Work,’ Jagger was guilty of trying to compete with younger, flashier artists. “My point around ‘Dirty Work’ was this was the time when the Stones could do something. They could mature and grow this music up, and prove that you could take it further,” he insisted. “That you don’t have to go back and play Peter Pan and try and compete with Prince and Michael Jackson or Wham! and Duran Duran. But it’s all a matter, I think, of self-perception. He perceived himself as still having to prove it on that level. To me, twenty-five years of integrity went down the drain with what he did.”

Even at the band’s lowest point, however, Richards didn’t let his anger toward Jagger cloud the bigger picture; he always seemed to know they’d eventually make up — as they’d, in fact, go on to do for 1989′s more cohesive ‘Steel Wheels’ record. “I really enjoy playing with the Stones. I’ve played with loads of other people too, you know? And as good as any other people really are,” Richards said, shrugging from the set of the ‘One Hit (to the Body)’ video shoot. “But whatever it is I do, I can do it better with the Stones.”


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Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by andrews27 on May 10th, 2014 at 11:40pm
If they had thrown out "Winning Ugly" and "Back to Zero" - two songs nobody will ever give a shit about - and put on two Keith songs from the sessions - It would have been as big as Emotional Rescue.

Having a radio hit that wasn't a cover would have been the icing on the cake.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Paranoid Android on May 11th, 2014 at 7:48am

andrews27 wrote on May 10th, 2014 at 11:40pm:
If they had thrown out "Winning Ugly" and "Back to Zero" - two songs nobody will ever give a shit about - and put on two Keith songs from the sessions - It would have been as big as Emotional Rescue.

Having a radio hit that wasn't a cover would have been the icing on the cake.



Not sure where I read...but either both those songs or at least one of them ( did i mention I wasn't sure?) were written to be part of some cheesy 80's soundtrack ex/ Visionquest and the like...they totally reek of opening/closing credit sound

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by sirmoonie on May 11th, 2014 at 8:37am
You probably read it here.  I posted the idea once, without any citation/support.  But Winning Ugly certainly sounds like Jagger wrote it for a soundtrack, like a Ruthless People reject.  It had to be.

Terrible album, embarrassing.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Paranoid Android on May 11th, 2014 at 12:01pm

sirmoonie wrote on May 11th, 2014 at 8:37am:
You probably read it here.  I posted the idea once, without any citation/support.  But Winning Ugly certainly sounds like Jagger wrote it for a soundtrack, like a Ruthless People reject.  It had to be.

Terrible album, embarrassing.



Just glad he kept that little gem "Let's Work" all to himself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoGofvVhKTo

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Joey on May 11th, 2014 at 5:11pm

" Terrible album, embarrassing. "


Concur Moonie . A total disaster  ( See :  "  Back to the Egg  "   ,  about 1/2 of   " It's Hard  "    , etc   ..............  )


Nobody is perfect  ( THANK GOD !!!! )  :)

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by BILL PERKS on May 11th, 2014 at 9:26pm
PERKS DISAPPROVES OF THIS BLASPHEMY !

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Pdog on May 12th, 2014 at 7:08am
yet, Fight is the best song of the 80's!!!

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by lotsajizz on May 12th, 2014 at 7:29am
Dirty Work rocks...especially 'Had It With You' and the title cut.  The latter has the best non-Watts drumming in a Stones song this side of YCAGWYW!

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by MarshallG on May 12th, 2014 at 8:08am
I would listen to Dirty Work over Undercover any day of the week.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by sirmoonie on May 12th, 2014 at 9:22am
Check it out.  Watch it in its entirety.  See?  See what I'm talking about?  Right there.  The Stones knew.  They knew whitey could pull it off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xULvj8kgYGg

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Paranoid Android on May 12th, 2014 at 4:32pm

sirmoonie wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Check it out.  Watch it in its entirety.  See?  See what I'm talking about?  Right there.  The Stones knew.  They knew whitey could pull it off.

That was some BIZARRE SHIT...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xULvj8kgYGg


MarshallG wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 8:08am:
I would listen to Dirty Work over Undercover any day of the week.



I love Undercover...

I loathe Dirty Work...

I love Emotional Rescue...

I tolerate A Bigger Bang...

I love Beggers Banquet...

I cringe at Their Satanic Majesties Request

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Some Guy on May 12th, 2014 at 6:39pm
I think I lost this cd or something.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on May 12th, 2014 at 10:24pm
Time to remember Maxlugar the great! and also the good old times

http://www.rocksoff.org/Archives/02-07-2002/36612-1.html

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on May 12th, 2014 at 10:26pm
Shit! that was 12 years ago!

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by The Wick on May 13th, 2014 at 12:56am
The irony of Mick saying Bill Wyman doesn't want to do much is rich. Bill is constantly doing all sorts of things while Mick and Keith sleep on their money.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by LadyJane on May 13th, 2014 at 6:37am

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 10:24pm:
Time to remember Maxlugar the great! and also the good old times

http://www.rocksoff.org/Archives/02-07-2002/36612-1.html


Ahhhh.....the days when I was just a lurker!!!!
Pure Gold!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by andrews27 on May 13th, 2014 at 6:53pm
Dirty Work improves - in the mind, at least - if you listen to it in the context of the Crushed Pearls bootleg (Mighty Diamonds label).  There's also a good 2-CD boot, the title of which I forget - maybe Dirty Work Sessions.  Throw out the two Jagger songs starting Side 2, add Keith's "You're Too Much" and one other - preferably a Keith song - and it's genius.

http://www.discogs.com/Rolling-Stones-Crushed-Pearls-Dirty-Work-Session-Outtakes/release/1090806

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by andrews27 on May 13th, 2014 at 6:58pm

sirmoonie wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Check it out.  Watch it in its entirety.  See?  See what I'm talking about?  Right there.  The Stones knew.  They knew whitey could pull it off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xULvj8kgYGg


Wiki: "[Wayne] Cochran is currently a minister in Miami, Florida."

Surprised?

I had forgotten this guy existed until today.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by BILL PERKS on May 13th, 2014 at 9:29pm
MAXLUGAR WAS MY LONE COMRADE IN THE DIRTY WORK PROPANGANDA WARS.

MIIS HIM AND THE COUCH,INDEED.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by BILL PERKS on May 13th, 2014 at 9:31pm
THANKS VOO, SO MANY GREAT POSTERS THEN ,MISS THAT ERA.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by corgi37 on May 14th, 2014 at 4:02am
I haven't played this album in ages. Easily over a decade. Probably be another decade before I play it again too.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Joey on May 14th, 2014 at 8:27am
"  Probably be another decade before I play it again too. "



<   ---- Corgi RULES !!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Paranoid Android on May 14th, 2014 at 8:31am

corgi37 wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 4:02am:
I haven't played this album in ages. Easily over a decade. Probably be another decade before I play it again too.



It occasionally sneaks in there on my iTunes...it comes on right after Black and Blue...same thing with Bigger Bang...straight away after Beggers Banquet...hate that! I haven't the heart to just delete them...maybe i will change the group nmae, like not use "The" in the info tables...

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on May 14th, 2014 at 10:47pm

Dirty Work
Thanks to you.
I'm hardly ever blue.
Upon the morning dew.
I caress your hard rockin' stew.
It always feels new.
You make me purr and koo.
And if you all had a clue.
Tonight, you'd play Had It With You.

Maxlugar 1/11/02 - Photo is Maxy Von Kinky Kink Kinko Kinkily in 1983

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Steel Wheels on May 15th, 2014 at 11:25am
About a year ago I was lucky enough to score a mint condition copy of Dirty Work. The record doesn't have a scratch on it. I just played side one and this this swings heavy. I love it.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Joey on May 15th, 2014 at 11:29am
"  .............About a year ago I was lucky enough to score a mint condition copy of Dirty Work. The record doesn't have a scratch on it. I just played side one and this this swings heavy. I love it.  "


Man looks into the Abyss and sees the  '  Dirty Work   '  album staring up at him .  It is at this EXACT moment that man finds his character and THAT is what keeps man out of the abyss .


I Thank You For Your Time Today !!!!!


" Hit Me Ronnie "


The Joey , Est. 1999 and loved by EVERYBODY ™

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by sirmoonie on May 15th, 2014 at 12:53pm
WTF?  What the hell is this?  Why do we have to suffer these indignities over and over?  This is fucking ponderous, is what this is.

Meatball.

Magoo?

Meatballed.  Mothballed.  Goofballed.  Balljack.  Ballbag.  Ball peen.  Butterball.  Balls.


Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Joey on May 16th, 2014 at 9:04am

"  What the hell is this?  Why do we have to suffer these indignities over and over?  This is fucking ponderous, is what this is.  "


I feel ya Moonie !!!!!


Even the greatest artistes' of all time have their  "  Minor Turkeys  "  and this one was friggin IT !!!!   * " BLECH !!!! "  *


No WONDER Mick did not want to tour behind the disc   --- look at the cover shot . Charlie could not even look at the camera  .


" Hit Me Ronnie !!!! "

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJacky Cakes ™




Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by sirmoonie on May 16th, 2014 at 12:37pm
Charlie seldom looks at the camera.  Mormonism is a threat to Christianity, but today's mainstream Christians are too smiley and happy to realize it.  Jagger's singing on Moonlight Mile is unparalleled.  The average Israeli citizen gets more in U.S. welfare than 10 American ghetto blacks combined.  I'm talking composite government handouts, factored for standard of living.  Fact.  U.S. ranchers and farmers are close in handouts.  Also fact.

Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by Joey on May 16th, 2014 at 12:41pm
" Charlie seldom looks at the camera.  Mormonism is a threat to Christianity, but today's mainstream Christians are smiley and happy to realize it.  Jagger's singing on Moonlight Mile is unparalleled.  The average Israeli citizen gets more in U.S. welfare than 10 American ghetto blacks combined.  I'm talking composite government handouts, factored for standard of living.  Fact.  U.S. ranchers and farmers are close in handouts.  Also fact . "



I would like to nuzzle you .





Title: Re: When the Wheels Came Off: The History of the Rolling Stones’ ‘Dirty Work’
Post by sirmoonie on May 16th, 2014 at 7:02pm
It's kind of frightening how this younger generation swings.  This nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values (thou shalt not kill, do not pay homage to false gods, do not covet your neighbor's wife).  The stars are all connected to the brain.  Keep on truckin'.  Never too late to start on the Morgenthau Plan.

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