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Message started by Edith Grove on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:29am

Title: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by Edith Grove on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 5:29am
Mary Kenny: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines


By all accounts Mick Jagger is an amiable grandfather, with a personal fortune of around €240m to pass on.

MARY KENNY – 02 DECEMBER 2013


As I love stories about people having babies, I rejoice at the news that Sir Mick Jagger is to become a great-grandfather in the new year, when his grand-daughter Assisi will give birth. Assisi, aged 21, is the daughter of Jade Jagger, whose mother is Mick's first wife, Bianca.

Being the patriarch of a large brood (seven children by four mothers, four grandchildren) will suit the iconic Rolling Stone perfectly, as it reflects a truth which has gradually emerged about the redoubtable Jagger over the years: he ain't no anti-establishment figure. He's a conservative whose preferred daily reading is the 'Financial Times'.

Until 2002, when he was awarded a knighthood, conferred by Charles, Prince of Wales, some of Mick's fans still thought that he, and the Rolling Stones, were some kind of radical revolutionaries, because of all that fabulously startling music which upset old duffers back in the 1960s and 70s. Oh yes, the Stones surely were pioneers of rock 'n' roll, via rhythm and blues, and brought an unparalleled vitality to their performances.

Keith Richards was a Kentish gypsy – his forebears were indeed Roma – who added a wild image to the Stones, and if their sound challenged the complacent bourgeoisie of Middle England, it also probably did as much to bring down the Iron Curtain and finish off communism as any other agency.

The play 'Rock 'n' Roll' by Tom Stoppard, who was born in the former Czechoslovakia, illuminates brilliantly how the pulsating energy of the Stones and Pink Floyd represented to the young Czechs of the Prague Spring, the dynamism and freedom of capitalism. The worthy folk-music of old Bohemia could scarcely compete.

Jagger was especially regarded as dangerous by old guards everywhere. In America, the literary philosopher the late Allan Bloom ascribed the decline of culture – in his best-selling tome 'The Closing of the American Mind' – to Jagger's influence, which he regarded as "demonic" and "satanic".

Young people were not reading Flaubert and Tolstoy any more, Bloom wrote, because the insistent and highly sexualised beat of the Jagger sound was taking their mind off classical texts: students couldn't understand the reflective pace of great prose while their brains were addled by 'Let's Spend the Night Together' and 'I Can't Get No Satisfaction'.

The Stones had all the appearance of being anti-establishment because of their drug-taking, "degenerate" reputations, dress and hairstyles. Travelling across America, Keith Richards has described the threats they received in Bible Belt territory because of their long hair. So the old duffers imagined that rock 'n' roll itself was anti-establishment: some even made the mistake of imagining that it was "left-wing" – many of the contributors to 'Hot Press' made that assumption.

They didn't notice that the rock 'n' roll business was – or became – hugely about money. Rock 'n' roll is not anti-establishment, it's a business, it's commerce, it runs on blatantly capitalist lines – selling, marketing, making sure that 'The Brand' is out there.

And Jagger turned out to be a sharp businessman. In 'Life'his autobiography, 'Keef' Richards claims that Mick figured out how to – legally – avoid tax in seven countries. He wrote that there were years when they avoided paying any tax at all. It has been reported that in the early years, Jagger and the Stones were ripped off by bad management, and it was only when Prince Rupert Lowenstein became their financial adviser in 1968 that they got to be genuinely profitable.

This may well be so, but going back over the years, Jagger seldom showed signs of radical political attitudes. He began his musical training in a church choir, continued at a respected grammar school where he was academically bright, and went on to college at the London School of Economics. Mick's father Joe was a teacher and his mum a lifelong Tory supporter. Jagger has said that "the queen is the best thing that Britain has" – apart from the Rolling Stones. When Rupert Lowenstein wrote a memoir, Mick castigated him for not displaying "good manners". How middle-class!

Mick's first marriage was in a Catholic church and nowadays, apparently, he practises Buddhist meditation. Well, I don't think the Buddha ever said anything too much against accumulating money – everything in proportion, after all.

Mick's life is no contradiction: it is an illustration of a fact that is not always widely understood – sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll were about pleasure, not radicalism.

And Mick's great-grandfather status will befit the pillar of the establishment that he is – and privately, probably always was. Even having a bunch of kids by four different mothers is more typical of mainstream alpha male behaviour than rebellion.

The late artist Lucian Freud had 14 acknowledged children by a number of mothers: unacknowledged offspring have been variously estimated at between 26 and 42 – perhaps more. The 'machismo' writer Norman Mailer similarly fathered nine offspring by six wives.

By all accounts, Jagger is an amiable grandfather, and with a personal fortune of around £200m (€240m), he will be able to provide for his descendants. He has congratulated grand-daughter Assisi on her forthcoming maternity, but joked that he wouldn't let it interfere with his own performances on stage.

Rather a cheering thought, on the whole, for the generation now facing into their 70s – that Jagger endures as a role-model. Oh yes: he's sure put the hip into hip replacement!

Irish Independent


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/mary-kenny/mary-kenny-jagger-was-never-a-radical-rock-n-roll-is-a-business-that-runs-on-capitalist-lines-29800754.html

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by Tom on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 8:16am
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Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by Gazza on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 3:47pm
Until 2002, when he was awarded a knighthood, conferred by Charles, Prince of Wales, some of Mick's fans still thought that he, and the Rolling Stones, were some kind of radical revolutionaries

Some of them still do!

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by Pdog on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 4:01pm
this article supposes things without facts, too many things… you can be a capitalist and also be a revolutionary against a system of government!
take american revolutionary leaders, they were all rich and educated…. this idea that if you're poor you're bitter and if you're rich you're just complaining is such horse crap!!!
Jagger is an artist, who likes sex… the rest is gravy...

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by sirmoonie on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 9:41pm
What a stupid unoriginal article, no matter which "side" you think are on.  I wouldn't be surprised if Mary Kenny used to post here. 

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by corgi37 on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:16am
And guess what? Pete Townshend didn't die before he got old, and John Lennon was actually a bit of a prick.

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by mojoman on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 6:53pm
not a street fighting man?

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by Pdog on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 7:09pm

corgi37 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 2:16am:
And guess what? Pete Townshend didn't die before he got old, and John Lennon was actually a bit of a prick.


and sid Vicious was actually a nice guy… examples go on and on… great point… i think a hipster wrote this article, the have infiltrated everything, they are fucking stupid!!!

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by The Wick on Dec 4th, 2013 at 10:25am
My favorite story about this type of attitude was Joan Baez in the PBS Dylan documentary where she said that people still come up to her when she attends some event for a cause and ask her if "Bob is coming?" And she said- frustratingly- that he never used to fucking come to these things in the first place. With the Stones, the biggest delusion is not that Mick is a rebel but that Keith is.

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by Pdog on Dec 4th, 2013 at 1:24pm

The Wick wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 10:25am:
the biggest delusion is not that Mick is a rebel but that Keith is.



smoking pot all day, doesn't make you a rebel...

Title: Re: Jagger was never a radical – rock 'n' roll is a business that runs on capitalist lines
Post by gimmekeef on Dec 8th, 2013 at 4:44pm

Gazza wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 3:47pm:
Until 2002, when he was awarded a knighthood, conferred by Charles, Prince of Wales, some of Mick's fans still thought that he, and the Rolling Stones, were some kind of radical revolutionaries

Some of them still do!


Well isn't charging $600 for a ticket fairly radical?

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