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Title: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which one?
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 4:44pm

Saw this question on another board and thought it was a good one.

I would like to know what the people here think which was better?

Stones rolling through New York or the Beatles on top of a roof playing.

I know the Stones played just a few songs while the Beatles did almost an entire album up there.

For me, the Stones on a flatbed truck was more powerful and exciting, but the Beatles rooftop jam was good.

I just can't see the Beatles doing what the Stones did on the flatbed.

Anyone can play on top of a roof...

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Some Guy on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

little known fact-Charlies drums powered the truck.

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 4:50pm

Some Guy wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

little known fact-Charlies drums powered the truck.

I like the thought of that, especially his bass drum... :booze

The diesel was surley running all down the line...

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Paranoid Android on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

This is a GREAT question...one which I find myself struggling to come up with an answer...

The rooftop was indeed special because it was a SWAN SONG and first public performance in 4 years...and people had to find it and were just so
amazed and quiet, distant...even respectful,( remember the English Gent with the pipe???). It was a tribute to all things British, it seems.
The English revere their pop culture as a very important part of their lives.

The flatbed was a promotional tool...to show the world that it is still relevant and coming to your town soon.
It was utter chaos in the noontime rush that is Manhattan...traffic, crowds, bedlam...everything Rock and Roll should be.

I am not sure which was better...performance-wise...The Beatles...in the moment-wise...The Stones...

I still struggle with a final answer....EXCELLENT question!

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Pdog on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:13pm

nothing tops spinal taps' stonehenge moment

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

Pdog wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

nothing tops spinal taps' stonehenge moment

Not even the Stones?

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm

Wait a minute… NONE OF THEM!!
:aimama
The Beatles were copycats and wannabees of Jefferson Airplane, check this video out, imagine being in downtown Manhattan early in the morning on a cold Saturday and then suddenly the silence is broken by Marty shouting out loud “Hello New York… New York wake up you fuckers” from a rooftop of a building and then listen this music for free!

This was on December 7, 1968, produced by Jean-Luc Godard, you know… the same who did the film “Sympathy for the Devil”; BTW you can see Jean-Luc on the film...

DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND WATCH THIS ONE... THOSE WERE THE DAYS YOU B&B

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/gliedo/i3-nycwakeupyoufuckers-jeffersonairplane68_zps77c4ac63.jpg

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 9:57pm

Then AC/DC copied the Stones on a flatbed...

Great song though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vizy_isjAw

:smilemick

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Paranoid Android on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 11:37pm

steel driving hammer wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 9:57pm:

Then AC/DC copied the Stones on a flatbed...

Great song though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vizy_isjAw

:smilemick

and U2 copied The Beatles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQxl9EI9YBg

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Edith Grove on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 4:56am

Stones, dude.......

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Gazza on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 6:30am

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

..and, as the Stones freely admit, they got their idea from various jazz acts in the 30s.

So, basically, they're both talentless Limey copycats ripping off less celebrated Americans.

Thats it settled then.

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Edith Grove on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:07am

Joey @ 2:20 ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zcGfwDBzMY

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by uncleson on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 2:54pm

Stones on a flatbed truck.

But Airplane on the roof!

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Bingo on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 5:56pm

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

THEY ALL COPIED.......The Grateful Dead. :nomames

Chelsea Hotel Roof
August 10, 1967
New York, NY

Those pranksters always a step ahead. :smilemick

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:45pm

Not sure if that counts as it was nor filmed professionaly, but the Merry Pranksters did the coolest travel across the USA and the best acid tests

A lot of bands before that surely played on a rooftop, some garage bands and some "rooftop bands"

:stinkypost (bad joke, I know)

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Teiz on Jan 11^th, 2013 at 6:20pm

Both were great. Though I prefer the Stones on the flatbed truck, they had nothing on The Beatles when it comes to the impact of the performance.

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by MrPleasant on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 2:48am

I'm sittin' on top of the world
Just rollin' along
Just rollin' along

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVrJoA2O7E4

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Paranoid Android on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 6:36pm

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by mojoman on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 11:40pm

street fighting band. visceral
hearts club band. jai guru deva om

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by FPM on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 10:02am

Stones all the way on this one, using a marketing trick from the golden age of N'Awlins jazz, when a band
played on the back of a wagon to advertise their gig later that night at a whorehouse. In this case they were
announcing their biggest world tour to date.

As opposed to the Beatles, who played on a rooftop because they couldn't get their shit together to play an actual
gig. Not with a bang but a whimper.

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 11:32am

mojoman wrote on Jan 12^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

street fighting band. visceral
hearts club band. jai guru deva om

I wanna hold your hand vs I just wanna make love to you or Let's Spend the Night Together

Let it Bleed vs Let it Be (both closing side 1)

:scary

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:26am

Stones in a porta potty would smoke the Beatles anyday.............

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 12:32pm

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Stones in a porta potty would smoke the Beatles anyday.............

:booze

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 3:10pm

FPM wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

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As opposed to the Beatles, who played on a rooftop because they couldn't get their shit together to play an actual
gig. Not with a bang but a whimper.

I didn't know that, thanks.

So really, the Beatles lost it, and the Stones kept on Rolling... :charlieperv

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by LanternHigh on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 5:31am

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Stones in a porta potty would smoke the Beatles anyday.............

A lot of copycats, but the Stones cannot be beaten by anyone before them. Nice song of the J Plane, also.
:wtf1

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Paranoid Android on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 9:19am

steel driving hammer wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 3:10pm:

FPM wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

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As opposed to the Beatles, who played on a rooftop because they couldn't get their shit together to play an actual
gig. Not with a bang but a whimper.

I didn't know that, thanks.

So really, the Beatles lost it, and the Stones kept on Rolling... :charlieperv

Inaccurate...the Beatles quit because the demands of touring...they were so far ahead of technology...there were no "stacks"...their music came out of those tiny ballpark speakers...they could not here themselves and the crown could not hear them...and they certainly could not do live justice to anything they made after 1966...their last show was 3 weeks after REVOLVER was released...

they, became a studio band...and made music to be listened to...they missed playing live after a few years and some inner turmoil...said WTF...and played a few songs to celebrate what they were...a rock and roll band...without all the hoopla...press junket...hype...if you caught them there...it was a bonus...and that was it.

Like i said before...I can't decide which was better...both monumental events in RnR history...

is there a link to the entire Stones promo? Or just news clips, etc??
I may change my mind if i see some...

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by FPM on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 12:31pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

from Wikipedia:

"The plan was to give a live performance featuring new songs, broadcast as a television special and recorded for release as an album. (At one point McCartney considered launching a tour; however, the idea was quickly shot down by the other members.) Unlike their recent albums, their new material would be designed to work well in concert, without the benefit of overdubs or other recording tricks.
Many ideas were floated concerning the location of the concert. Conventional venues such as The Roundhouse in London were discussed, but they also considered more unusual locations such as a disused flour mill and an ocean liner. The location that received the most consideration was a Roman amphitheatre in North Africa. None of the ideas garnered unanimous enthusiasm ... it was agreed to start rehearsals without a firm decision on the concert location.

Around lunchtime on Friday, 10 January, tensions came to a head and Harrison told the others that he was leaving the band...at a meeting on 15 January, Harrison agreed to return with the conditions that elaborate concert plans be dropped...trying to come up with a conclusion for the film, it was suggested that the band play an unannounced lunchtime concert on the roof of the Apple building."

from Ultimate Classic Rock:

Ringo talking about the Fab Four’s initial plans for a farewell gig:

“The four of us were thinking, ‘We’ll do it at the Pyramids, or we’ll do it in Hawaii in a volcano,’” Starr revealed. “We had all these big, grandiose ideas and at the end you say, ‘Sod it, just let’s do it on the roof.’”

I think my initial comment ("they couldn't get their shit together to play an actual gig") is fairly accurate.

Title: Re: Stones flatbed truck vs Beatles rooftop which
Post by Paranoid Android on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 11:30pm

I misunderstood your statement...I thought it was more directed at the time span between the last concert in SF in 1966 and and the roof top 3 years later...
and not so much as to the "final show"