I've read a lot of people lately saying that the 1969-1974 lineup of the band wasn't really like the Stones, but more like "The Rolling Stones with (Guest Star) Mick Taylor". That he as a person AND as a guitarist never fit the band, both in sound/guitar style and personality, and that his time with them was almost like The Stones with a permanent session guitarist--That he never was a true "Stone" in the sense that Brian was and Ronnie is.

I've also read recently a LOT of people downplaying his contributions, saying he added at most maybe a chord here or there on the records and that a lot of his "songs" or contributions like Can't You Hear Me Knockin's ending coda or songs like Winter and Time Waits for No One and Moonlight Mile were either derivative or little more than stereotypical '70s rock--Overrated. That much of his soloing, both live and in studio, was little more than mindless noodling and contributed not much at all. I've read people say that Ronnie saved the band and that Some Girls would've sucked with Taylor in the band and that the Stones might've faded away as just an outdated '70s guitar wankery band by the late '70s if he was still lead guitarist by the time the Punk era started. That in essence, even if he had stayed, his presence might've been counter-productive to The Stones having continued success and relevancy in the Punk/Disco era.

I do not agree with this opinion at all--My favorite era is the Taylor era tied with the Brian Jones era--but in the last few months I've seen for whatever reason an Anti-Taylor point of view arise.

'Lots of people' ? Really? Where?

And how come no-one's ever failed to consider Charlie or Bill a true Stone based on their personality?

No drug busts and in Charlie's case, married to the same woman for almost half a century with never a hint of infidelity. Unheard of in the entertainment industry.

What a bore. Fire him!  [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Gazza wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

'Lots of people' ? Really? Where? And how come no-one's ever failed to consider Charlie or Bill a true Stone based on their personality? No drug busts and in Charlie's case, married to the same woman for almost half a century with never a hint of infidelity. Unheard of in the entertainment industry. What a bore. Fire him!  [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Yep, "lots of people" want to fire Charlie.  Snark!
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Gazza wrote on Nov 26^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

'Lots of people' ? Really? Where? And how come no-one's ever failed to consider Charlie or Bill a true Stone based on their personality? No drug busts and in Charlie's case, married to the same woman for almost half a century with never a hint of infidelity. Unheard of in the entertainment industry. What a bore. Fire him!  [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

If you go on youtube and watch for example videos of his solos from Stones songs or tours in the 70s isolated or covers of his solos there are debates going on about his era of the Stones, with quite a lot of people lately saying the stuff I mentioned in my post.

That explains a lot.

Debates on Youtube aren't exactly noted for their insight, are they, to put it mildly.

Gazza wrote on Nov 27^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

That explains a lot. Debates on Youtube aren't exactly noted for their insight, are they, to put it mildly.

True but it is an interesting point. Didn't Keith himself dislike Taylor's soloing while he was in the band? I remember reading a story where Keith basically railed at him in the studio around early '74 that he was good live but he was too loud in the studio, something like that, and also read that Keith erased some of Mick's stuff from It's Only Rock N' Roll.

"In November 1973, while the band were to begin work on the LP It's Only Rock 'n Roll at Musicland Studios in Munich, Taylor missed some of the sessions while he underwent surgery for acute sinusitis. Not much was achieved during the first 10 days at Musicland. Most of the actual recordings were made in January (Musicland) and April 1974 (Stargroves). When Taylor resumed work with the band, he found it difficult to get on with Richards. At one point during the Munich sessions, Richards confronted him, and said, "Oi! Taylor! You're playing too fuckin' loud. I mean, you're really good live, man, but you're fucking useless in the studio. Lay out, play later, whatever." Richards erased some of the tapes where Taylor had recorded guitar parts to some of the songs for It's Only Rock n' Roll. Taylor was, however, present at all the sessions in April at Stargroves, England, where the LP was finished and most of the overdubs were recorded."

And I've read in general some consider that his solos are more noddling than anything and that the band might've broken up if he hadn't quit and that his style would've made the Stones seem outdated in the Punk era. That the era of guitar solo heroics was over and as such he might've had no real place on the records or brought them down.
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Taylor  vs Wood...

Beatles  vs Stones ...

Ying vs Yang ...


Boring stuff