Simply amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have so much respect for this Band and I feel so lucky to have fallen under their spell!!!

We've the BBC to thank - sort of.

And the main reason why is because when they hired Blues Incorporated to play on the 'Jazz Club' session on that night 50 years ago, they said that they wouldn't pay for all seven musicians.

They didnt see the point in paying for a band with three singers, especially as one of them (Mick Jagger) didn't also play an instrument. Alexis Korner and Cyril Davies played guitar and harmonica respectively (and they were the band's founders and leaders) so Mick was the odd man out on this occasion.

So, the band toyed with the idea of pulling out of the broadcast in protest - only for Mick to suggest that as they needed the exposure, they should go ahead and do the radio session without him and he'd keep their Thursday night Marquee residency open by getting the fledgling Rolling Stones together to fill in.

The newspaper cutting suggests that the band's name was 'Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones', which wasn't officially the case. I'd imagine the band was billed in this way for the benefit of the Marquee regulars to show them that one of the band they normally got to see on a Thursday night was involved in the group that was substituting for Blues Inc. on that evening.

As a footnote, this was the Blues Incorporated radio session info that night which gave the Stones their start as a live act :

12th July: BLUES INCORPORATED. UK radio (BBC) ‘Jazz Club’, London,
                   Paris Theatre. Producer: Terry Heneberg. Incl.
                   - Hey Hey (Alexis Korner?)
                   - Band introduction
                   - Spooky But Nice (Cyril Davies)
                   + Hoochie Coochie Man (Willie Dixon)
                   Line-up: Charlie Watts (dr)/Alexis Korner (gtr, voc)/Cyril Davies (voc, harm)/
                                  Dave Stevens (p)/Jack Bruce (string bass)/Dick Heckstall-Smith (sax)
                   Note: Hoochie Coochie Man was released in July 1972 on the Alexis Korner-album
                             'Bootleg Him!' and credited to this session

(info courtesy of www.zentgraf.de )

this makes me moist. jack flippin bruce missed him last week at BB's

Interesting history lesson, Gazzapedia! So then this suggests that Charlie Watts did appear with the Stones in 1962 making 2012 the 50 year anniversary, but Charlie wasnt an official member until 1963, right? So is July 7, 1962 the origination date of the Stones because of this event?

Bitch wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:41pm:

Interesting history lesson, Gazzapedia! So then this suggests that Charlie Watts did appear with the Stones in 1962 making 2012 the 50 year anniversary, but Charlie wasnt an official member until 1963, right? So is July 7, 1962 the origination date of the Stones because of this event?

No. Charlie was a member of Blues Incorporated. Which is why he played with them at their BBC session. See the line-up given. The only Blues Inc member missing from that session was Mick Jagger.

The Stones were 'formed' by Brian Jones around April 1962 - but they didn't play any shows until July 12th.

July 7th is just the publication date of the weekly edition of the 'Disc' magazine (they tend to use Saturday dates for each edition, so it probably went to press a few days earlier)

Gazza wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 2:55pm:

Bitch wrote on Jul 7th, 2012 at 1:41pm: Interesting history lesson, Gazzapedia! So then this suggests that Charlie Watts did appear with the Stones in 1962 making 2012 the 50 year anniversary, but Charlie wasnt an official member until 1963, right? So is July 7, 1962 the origination date of the Stones because of this event? No. Charlie was a member of Blues Incorporated. Which is why he played with them at their BBC session. See the line-up given. The only Blues Inc member missing from that session was Mick Jagger. The Stones were 'formed' by Brian Jones around April 1962 - but they didn't play any shows until July 12th. July 7th is just the publication date of the weekly edition of the 'Disc' magazine (they tend to use Saturday dates for each edition, so it probably went to press a few days earlier)

So July 12 is the first gig, but the band originated April what date? I guess they rehearsed, 3 months getting wasted in London.

Bitch wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 7:58pm:

So July 12 is the first gig, but the band originated April what date? I guess they rehearsed, 3 months getting wasted in London.

They were barely getting by in those days.

Not much to get wasted on unless someone was buying for them.

Bitch wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 7:58pm:

Gazza wrote on Jul 7th, 2012 at 2:55pm: Bitch wrote on Jul 7th, 2012 at 1:41pm: Interesting history lesson, Gazzapedia! So then this suggests that Charlie Watts did appear with the Stones in 1962 making 2012 the 50 year anniversary, but Charlie wasnt an official member until 1963, right? So is July 7, 1962 the origination date of the Stones because of this event? No. Charlie was a member of Blues Incorporated. Which is why he played with them at their BBC session. See the line-up given. The only Blues Inc member missing from that session was Mick Jagger. The Stones were 'formed' by Brian Jones around April 1962 - but they didn't play any shows until July 12th. July 7th is just the publication date of the weekly edition of the 'Disc' magazine (they tend to use Saturday dates for each edition, so it probably went to press a few days earlier) So July 12 is the first gig, but the band originated April what date? I guess they rehearsed, 3 months getting wasted in London.

No one knows. They just got together informally.

This was the header

http://www.rocksoff.org/i2-kornercancels.jpg

Now another header that questions how the Stones got their name? I'm sticking with the Blues song, whether it was a 78 or whatever size record it was.

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jul 8^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Now another header that questions how the Stones got their name? I'm sticking with the Blues song, whether it was a 78 or whatever size record it was.

Makes me wonder if Dave Godin is STILL Mick's friend.  :will-ya

I don't know who Dave Godin is, but I NEVER heard that it came from a 78.
The way I recall it is that Brian glanced at an album cover and got the name
from it.

Whether or not Dave Godin owned anything larger than a 7" record, it's a fairly
well-established fact that one of the residents of Edith Grove had this 12" album
in his collection:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Best_of_Muddy_Waters_1958_Chess_Records.jpg

"The thing about Mick and my meeting was that he was carrying two
albums with him - Rockin' At The Hops, by Chuck Berry, and The Best
of Muddy Waters. I had only HEARD about Muddy up to that point."  - Keith Richards


1. "I Just Want to Make Love to You"
2. "Long Distance Call"  
3. "Louisiana Blues"  
4. "Honey Bee"  
5. "Rollin' Stone"  
6. "I'm Ready"

Side two  
1. "I'm Your Hoochie Coochie Man"
3. "I Want You to Love Me"  
4. "Standin' Around Cryin'"  
5. "Still a Fool"  
6. "I Can't Be Satisfied"  

http://www.koolkatjazz.com/catalog/images/mw006.JPG



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Chuck_Berry_-_Rockin'_At_The_Hops.jpg/220px-Chuck_Berry_-_Rockin'_At_The_Hops.jpg
It seems like they studied this one pretty hard, too:

1."Bye Bye Johnny" – 2:02
2."Worried Life Blues" (Major "Big Maceo" Merriweather) – 2:07
3."Down the Road a Piece" (Don Raye) – 2:10
4."Confessin' the Blues" (Jay McShann, Walter Brown) – 2:06
5."Too Pooped To Pop" – 2:31
6."Mad Lad" (Davis) – 2:06
7."I Got To Find My Baby" – 2:12
8."Betty Jean" – 2:25
9."Childhood Sweetheart" – 2:40
10."Broken Arrow" – 2:19
11."Driftin' Blues" (Eddie Williams, Johnny Moore, Charles Brown) – 2:16
12."Let It Rock" – 1:42

Thanks Gazza!

The story of how they got the name, I recall reading this story: When the band was being booked for the first gig, the club owner or organizer asked KEEF on the phone what the name of the band is, and he picked up an album cover and chose a song title. It wasnt a line from lyrics, he did a quick glance and blurted out "The Rolling Stones" with no forethought whatsoever, it was a spur of the moment choice, and a very good choice!  

WOW... "Life Volume 2" by Keith is out now???

It was Brian, the story is pretty similar but it was Brian

BTW... the more I read about the Rolling Stones the more confused I get, that's why I do prefer to listen their music, sing, play or dance it too!

Anybody seen my show sole

:smoking

uncleson wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

Thanks Gazza!

Thanks FPM too

I have this album since a loooong time...

http://www.rocksoff.org/muddy-rs.jpg


I have listened "Rolling Stone" several times and I can't see why the Stones used "Rolling Stone" to name the band when "Mannish Boy" is the closest song to the original definition of the idiomatic expression "Rolling Stone", that's why I think Bill WYman added this testimony in "Rolling with the Stones"

http://www.rocksoff.org/i2-rollingstonesnamecomesfrommannishboy.jpg

The problem is that Mannish Boy was  not Muddy's at all, same for "Hoochie Coochie Man," it's not Willie Dixon's and "I'm a Man"... it ain't  Bo Diddley's, surely a starving musician in the early 30s wrote it and it was being played by many musicians being changed every time, like the languages were changing  in human history

:stinkypost