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Message started by Edith Grove on Apr 20th, 2012 at 5:19am

Title: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Edith Grove on Apr 20th, 2012 at 5:19am
Get Back?

(April 16, 2012) -- The Stones have recalculated their math. In answer to fans' pleas for a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, the band has stated that their true golden anniversary isn't this year, but next: Although the Rolling Stones debuted in July 1962, Charlie didn't become a member until January 1963. Whether or not you agree with that logic, it buys the Stones some time to get their touring chops together, and gets the fans and media off their back ... until 2013.

The same goes for a new CD release. Despite the possibilities and rumors of an upcoming studio jam (rumors that were sparked by Ronnie Wood last week, who later retracted his words), it appears that the Stones' only output this year will be their self-produced documentary and coffee table book. Outside of some necessary business meetings (and a very casual jam session?), the four Stones will spend the next few months on their solo projects.

Charlie will continue to gig with his ABCD of Boogie Woogie jazz band. He'll be bringing it to New York's Iridium jazz club from June 29 to July 2 (two shows a night), preceded by a night at Lincoln Center on June 28. He and the band have just completed dates in Germany, Austria, and England.

Last time we checked in, on the previous version of this page, Mick had just sung at President Obama's "Red, White and Blues" concert in the East Room of the White House, and Keith had just played a concert tribute to the late blues guitarist Hubert Sumlin at New York's Apollo Theatre. For the moment, Mick has nothing on his agenda, but Keith will be flying to Baton Rouge next week for the Slim Harpo Awards. Named for the blues giant who penned "Shake Your Hips" and "I'm a King Bee" (both covered by the Stones), the ceremony will take place April 23 at the Manship Theatre. Keith will receive the "Ambassador's Award" and hopefully take part in the closing jam.

Speaking of Louisiana, Keith's been working with New Orleans legend Aaron Neville. But the work has been taking place here in New York. Keith was at Electric Lady Studio for a few days in late March, producing (and not playing on) Aaron's next album.

By Keith's own admission, his long layoff from the guitar (while concentrating on his book, etc.) has left him a bit rusty. But he's been dipping his feet in the pool this year, with the recent event at the Apollo and with next week's event in Baton Rouge. Additionally, on February 26, he paid tribute to Chuck Berry at the JFK Library in Boston, by performing Chuck's "Promised Land" alongside Elvis Costello. Chuck didn't play, but Keith got to chat with him, as well as with the evening's other honoree, Leonard Cohen.

Ronnie continues to be the busiest Stone of them all. A few weeks ago, on March 29, he attended Paul McCartney's concert at Royal Albert Hall in London, where he and Roger Daltrey hopped onstage to help on the Beatles' "Get Back." He then flew to New York, to open an exhibition of his artwork and to talk about the Faces' much-heralded April 14 induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. The induction ceremony -- and ensuing jam -- was to mark the first reunion in almost 20 years of the four surviving members of the Faces: Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood, Ian McLagan, and Kenney Jones. The anticipation among fans and the music industry had reached fever pitch.

But when Beggars Banquet Online caught up with Ronnie in New York, he broke the news to us -- before announcing it at a press conference in Cleveland -- that Rod had backed out of the festivities, claiming to have the flu. It sent Ronnie into a panic, trying to find a lead singer. "I was gonna ask Axl Rose, but now I'm thinking about asking Flea to ask Anthony Kiedis." Ronnie even put in a call to Stones backup singer Bernard Fowler. (Perfect choice, we think.) But in the end, it was Mick Hucknall (formerly of Simply Red) who came to the rescue.

And so, on Saturday, April 14, at Cleveland's Public Auditorium, the three remaining Faces rose to the occasion. They accepted their Hall of Fame trophies and delivered brilliant versions of "Stay With Me" and "Ooh La La" (utilizing, ironically enough, the bassist from Rod's touring band). Ronnie then played on Stevie Wonder's "Higher Ground" alongside his surname-challenged pals Flea and Slash, during the evening's all-star finale. This was, of course, Ronnie's second introduction into the Hall (he got in as a member of the Stones in '89), and there's no word as to whether he destroyed his trophy like he did the first time. (See chapter 19 of the book "Under Their Thumb.")

Before Ronnie heads back to the UK, he'll be performing a solo show this Saturday night, April 21, at the Golden Nugget Hotel in Atlantic City. The room holds about 1,400 people. Ronnie told us he has "no idea" what he's going to play that night, but guaranteed "a great fuckin' show!" He'll have Stones sidemen Bernard Fowler and Chuck Leavell in his band, as well as bassist Willie Weeks (who played on Woody's 1970s solo albums) and drummer Steve Jordan (who was in Keith's X-Pensive Winos band).

And Ronnie's not finished. Come June 30, he'll be playing the Hammersmith Apollo in London, as part of London's week-long Blues Fest. He'll cover a bunch of songs from the Chess Records catalog and will enlist the help of friends like Mick Taylor. Mr. Taylor, it should be noted, will stage his own Blues Fest show on July 6 (at a place called Under The Bridge) and will also play twelve shows at New York's aforementioned Iridium nightclub, from May 9 to 14 (two shows a night).

So that's where we're at. This is a page dedicated to Rolling Stones news, but there's no Stones news to report and our headline for this edition comes from a Beatles song. For many Stones fans, 2013 can't come soon enough.


Beggars Banquet Online's Bill German with Ronnie Wood in NYC last week.
Ronnie's been sober for over two years now, so it was Bill drinking the Jack Daniel's
and Ronnie drinking the Diet Coke.  (Photo by Bob Gruen.)

http://www.beggarsbanquetonline.com/news.htm

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Gazza on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:10am
Dudes aren't interested....   >:(

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by BILL PERKS on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:15am
IT'S 100% BIZARRE. MY UNEDUCATED GUESS IS KEITH CAN'T GET INSURED.

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Steel Wheels on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:33am
None of that was news to me outside of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame information and the line up for the AC gig.

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Egon on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:35am
40 licks came out in 2002.. so back then they did consider 1962 as the birthyear.

I bet they hope for a stronger economy next year :-)

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Ian Billen on Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:53pm

Gazza wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:10am:
Dudes aren't interested....   >:(





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I tell you what .. either that or they are in no rush what-so-ever to record something. All Keith ever mentions is how he wants to get things rolling with The Stones again? ... well then ... go to it mate. **Stop talking about it and just get to doing it... geesh. Forget the side projects or shelf them for now and work on a Rolling Stones album if that's what he aspires to do so much as he says. He can say what he wants... but actions speak much louder than words...  It seems writing / recording with The Stones is of the least of importance to him anymore.

Ronnie and Charlie have mentioned recording plans as well yet all they ever do is retract or go on to other things and none of them ever follow through with anything.

Mick's not doing anything right now.. who knows... possibly Keith and him are meeting up here and again to write some songs. Heck ... I certainly hope so. Either that or they have plenty o solidly good material already just waiting in the wings.


If Keith is so rusty... and it's a concern to him as it seems maybe he should start playing and writing with The Stones more often rather than doing a benefit or ceremony here and there.  If he thinks those ceremonies once every few months are going to work him all the way back to playing / touring shape he's sadly mistaken. He, the rest of The Stones, and their camp gotta easily know that.


Here's to hoping they got more going on, or firmly planned recording wise than they are letting on.


- Ian

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Pdog on Apr 21st, 2012 at 9:03pm
solo?

so low we can't see anything from here...

over?

maybe!!

so be it...

fade away if you must, but don't talk...

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by AngieBlue on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:32am
Ronnie, Charlie and Keith have expressed interest in making another Stones album.  The only one who hasn't is Mick.

No sense in trying to read the tea leaves though.  For all we know they simply don't want to conflict with the Olympics.

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Paranoid Android on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:22am

AngieBlue wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:32am:
 For all we know they simply don't want to conflict with the Olympics.



What conflict with the Olympics are you referring to?

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by gimmekeef on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:37pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:22am:

AngieBlue wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:32am:
 For all we know they simply don't want to conflict with the Olympics.



What conflict with the Olympics are you referring to?


A slight possibility if they toured in mid late summer when London Games are on?......

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Gazza on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 4:21pm

gimmekeef wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:37pm:

Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:22am:

AngieBlue wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 1:32am:
 For all we know they simply don't want to conflict with the Olympics.



What conflict with the Olympics are you referring to?


A slight possibility if they toured in mid late summer when London Games are on?......



not much of a conflict if they happen to be touring the US at the same time.

Saying that, the only Olympic years in which the Stones have ever toured were 1964 and 1972 - in '64, the games were in Tokyo so it hardly mattered, and in 1972 the Stones' American tour ended several weeks before the games took place - in Munich.

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Gazza on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 4:24pm

Ian Billen wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Gazza wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:10am:
Dudes aren't interested....   >:(





______________________________________________


I tell you what .. either that or they are in no rush what-so-ever to record something. All Keith ever mentions is how he wants to get things rolling with The Stones again? ... well then ... go to it mate. **Stop talking about it and just get to doing it... geesh. Forget the side projects or shelf them for now and work on a Rolling Stones album if that's what he aspires to do so much as he says. He can say what he wants... but actions speak much louder than words...  It seems writing / recording with The Stones is of the least of importance to him anymore.

Ronnie and Charlie have mentioned recording plans as well yet all they ever do is retract or go on to other things and none of them ever follow through with anything.

Mick's not doing anything right now.. who knows... possibly Keith and him are meeting up here and again to write some songs. Heck ... I certainly hope so. Either that or they have plenty o solidly good material already just waiting in the wings.


If Keith is so rusty... and it's a concern to him as it seems maybe he should start playing and writing with The Stones more often rather than doing a benefit or ceremony here and there.  If he thinks those ceremonies once every few months are going to work him all the way back to playing / touring shape he's sadly mistaken. He, the rest of The Stones, and their camp gotta easily know that.


Here's to hoping they got more going on, or firmly planned recording wise than they are letting on.


- Ian



Bottom line is this. 2012 has been trumpeted for years as a year of historical significance for the band (regardless of this revisionist '2013 is the anniversary' bollocks of recent weeks).

And now it's here, it seems that they're mostly keen on keeping active - but (as has been the case since 2007) they'll work with anyone but each other.

Speaks volumes for the pitiful state of the band in the last few years.

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Ian Billen on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 6:04pm

Gazza Wrote:


" ....they'll work with anyone but each other."


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Sad but oh so true anymore. How disheartening.



- Ian


Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by The-Worst on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:55pm
Again I really think its simply a matter of economics-they are banking on the economy being stronger in 2013 then 2012. The Stones aren't going to go out if they can't command top dollar and after the election this fall, regardless of who wins I believe the economy will get stronger. Come next year, they'll be able to sell more tickets at obscene prices.  :stinkypost

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Ian Billen on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:08pm

The-Worst wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:55pm:
Again I really think its simply a matter of economics-they are banking on the economy being stronger in 2013 then 2012. The Stones aren't going to go out if they can't command top dollar and after the election this fall, regardless of who wins I believe the economy will get stronger. Come next year, they'll be able to sell more tickets at obscene prices.  :stinkypost




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I don't think any of us really expect them to tour this year.... they have already plainly said they are not going to... All we want is them to get together and play some damn music together,  shake the rustiness off, and finally record for next year like they keep saying they so much want to ... that's all.


- Ian

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Gazza on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:49am

The-Worst wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:55pm:
Again I really think its simply a matter of economics-they are banking on the economy being stronger in 2013 then 2012. The Stones aren't going to go out if they can't command top dollar and after the election this fall, regardless of who wins I believe the economy will get stronger. Come next year, they'll be able to sell more tickets at obscene prices.  :stinkypost


Last tour they grossed on average a figure of $4 million per show.

They haven't worked a single day together since and seemingly have no interest in doing so unless a similar rate of revenue is forthcoming.

It's comforting to see that their hearts are in the right place. It's only rock 'n' roll, apparently!


Every year off is also another year off their ability to perform to an adequate level. Six years is a long time when you're in your 30's or 40's. It's akin to almost starting from scratch when you're 70, regardless of who it is.  Anyone who thinks the band can simply pick up where they left off after a few weeks of rehearsals is a misty-eyed optimist.

Delaying things to maximise public demand is one thing - there's also a tipping point where a sizeable % of the audience they're aiming to attract will (knowing theyve been inactive for so long) seriously be asking themselves questions about whether the band will continue to be up to it, even more so when they're also asking silly prices for tickets. When any act does that, they raise expectancies to levels which are hard to live up to. They can't be allowed to have 'off nights' or take a few shows to get performances knocked into shape.

Put yourself in the shoes of the average ticket buyer - not the diehard fan like us. Are those expectations and demands realistic for a bunch of guys averaging around 70 years of age, who havent been playing together for years and who have had widely-reported health problems which would raise uncertainty as to their ability to play to a high level? For, say, $50 or maybe even $100 most would-be attendees would probably take a chance - but for $500? I'm really not so sure.


They really have to hit the ground running when they go on the road again. If people are holding off buying tickets to wait and see if they're up to it, early reviews could make a huge difference more than ever before.

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by BILL PERKS on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 8:48am

Gazza wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:49am:

The-Worst wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 9:55pm:
Again I really think its simply a matter of economics-they are banking on the economy being stronger in 2013 then 2012. The Stones aren't going to go out if they can't command top dollar and after the election this fall, regardless of who wins I believe the economy will get stronger. Come next year, they'll be able to sell more tickets at obscene prices.  :stinkypost


Last tour they grossed on average a figure of $4 million per show.

They haven't worked a single day together since and seemingly have no interest in doing so unless a similar rate of revenue is forthcoming.

It's comforting to see that their hearts are in the right place. It's only rock 'n' roll, apparently!


Every year off is also another year off their ability to perform to an adequate level. Six years is a long time when you're in your 30's or 40's. It's akin to almost starting from scratch when you're 70, regardless of who it is.  Anyone who thinks the band can simply pick up where they left off after a few weeks of rehearsals is a misty-eyed optimist.

Delaying things to maximise public demand is one thing - there's also a tipping point where a sizeable % of the audience they're aiming to attract will (knowing theyve been inactive for so long) seriously be asking themselves questions about whether the band will continue to be up to it, even more so when they're also asking silly prices for tickets. When any act does that, they raise expectancies to levels which are hard to live up to. They can't be allowed to have 'off nights' or take a few shows to get performances knocked into shape.

Put yourself in the shoes of the average ticket buyer - not the diehard fan like us. Are those expectations and demands realistic for a bunch of guys averaging around 70 years of age, who havent been playing together for years and who have had widely-reported health problems which would raise uncertainty as to their ability to play to a high level? For, say, $50 or maybe even $100 most would-be attendees would probably take a chance - but for $500? I'm really not so sure.


They really have to hit the ground running when they go on the road again. If people are holding off buying tickets to wait and see if they're up to it, early reviews could make a huge difference more than ever before.

AS USUAL, GAZZA IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY..I USUALLY ATTEND 3 TO 5 SHOWS PER TOUR AND WILL ONLY SEE 1 THIS TIME AROUND NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.I'M AT A DIFFERENT TIME AND PLACE IN MY LIFE AND CANT THROW TOO MUCH $$ AWAY ON THE STONES. AND, I HAVE SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT HOW WELL THEY CAN PLAY.ABB TOUR WAS UNEVEN IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCES AND IT'S 7 YEARS LATER?
DUDES ARE OLD.

Title: Re: The Latest From Bill German
Post by Some Guy on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:21am
and then depression set in...

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