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Message started by LadyJane on Apr 15th, 2011 at 7:51am

Title: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by LadyJane on Apr 15th, 2011 at 7:51am
There are many rumblings that "it's over".
More chatter than I have ever heard in all the years I've been a fan.
Are Mick and Keith at war over the "tiny todger" remark?
Is Keith unable to Tour because of his arthritis?
Do they just not want to be bothered?

I have always felt that they would never let the 50th Anniversary go by
without another Tour.  Now I'm not so sure.

So I'd like to start a serious discussion here.

What does everyone think?

LJ.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by gimmekeef on Apr 15th, 2011 at 8:02am
tough call......but we'll always have Buffalo 75!....honestly with Ronnie looking in good shape I think there is a better than 50/50 for next year but can't see it being the global juggernaut of previous tours though. More dates in fewer cities perhaps?..or maybe at their age now its a been there done that kinda thing.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by left shoe shuffle on Apr 15th, 2011 at 8:07am

Charlie's interviews on the recent ABC&D tour hinted at future activity, but he also said that nobody knows what the plans for 2012 are.

One of those articles mentioned Fall 2012 venue hold dates in Vienna.
If true, shows they're at least thinking about it.

Mick, as evidenced by his Grammy performance, remains Mick Jagger.  
Charlie is ever sublime.
Woody's righted the ship personally and professionally.

Keith's the 800 pound gorilla in the room...

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Gimme Shelter on Apr 15th, 2011 at 8:41am
I think it will happen next year.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by steel driving hammer on Apr 15th, 2011 at 8:59am
Yes.

And the next one...

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by mojoman on Apr 15th, 2011 at 9:41am
maybe, maybe not........

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Bingo on Apr 15th, 2011 at 9:45am
Of course we will, they are greedy bastards when it comes to money. Mick can't pass up a huge payday sometime in the future.

THE QUESTION SHOULD BE...will we get a quality performance? If Keef is "the guy" on guitar it will be disappointing to say the least. They need Mick Taylor more then ever before.


Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Mel Belli on Apr 15th, 2011 at 11:58am
Assuming health is satisfactory, next year is a sure thing. At the last "summit" Mick decided to punt because of the still-soft global economy and, even more important, the availability of pegging a tour next year to a 50th anniversary and possibly the London Olympic Games.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by luxury on Apr 15th, 2011 at 1:42pm
I think so LJ.  Remember how they werent selling out even MSG at the end of their last go-round?  All those tarping jokes on the boards?  Most likely putting some space between tours to insure good-selling shows.   Just makin us hungry....

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by BILL PERKS on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:01pm
I THINK IT'S OVER.DUDES ARE OLD.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Pdog on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:36pm
message boards are dead!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by AngieBlue on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:39pm
Charlie in recent interviews has mentioned there will be future activity.  So, that makes me hopeful.

I'm with you LJ, I don't think they'll let the 50th go by without touring.
But the more I thought about it  I wonder if they'll use the term '50th'?

We were all sure they were going to tour last year.  All things pointed that way.
At the time it looked like Ronnie was the cause of the band's inactivity and look at him go now!

I wonder if the real 800lb gorilla isn't the Cohl/Live Nation lawsuit.
It would have been know to the Stones and others involved that was coming long before the 'official' documentation was made public.
Official denials of tour rumors?  The Stones don't do that.  At least they haven't in the past.  
That, in particular, makes me wonder.

Unless there is something going on that no one outside of the inner circle of the band could possibly know -
I think they will tour again.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Mel Belli on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:59pm

luxury wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 1:42pm:
I think so LJ.  Remember how they werent selling out even MSG at the end of their last go-round?  All those tarping jokes on the boards?  Most likely putting some space between tours to insure good-selling shows.   Just makin us hungry....


Mick (and Cohl, I'm assuming) made the conscious decision to play to fewer, higher-paying customers. If they charged less, demand would be higher. I don't like the choice, but I've never thought there's been a lack of, or declining, interest in seeing the band live...

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Tumbling Dijs on Apr 15th, 2011 at 4:00pm
No way it's over. I was sure they would announce a tour around this time of the year, but sadly I was wrong. However now I'm convinced they will start a new tour next year, and then, then it's OVER! They will not announce the end, there's no reason to do so. Mick will do films and another solo record, Charlie will be involved in jazz music, Ronnie will play alot of guest appearences, and knowing it's all over now, start drinking again, and Keith, poor Keith, I really don't know. And then, a few years after that last tour, they will be around 75 years old. I know, it sounds terrible, but that's life! But I feel priviliged that I have lived it from the beginning to the end. That is, if I don't drop dead in the next 3 years.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by left shoe shuffle on Apr 15th, 2011 at 4:15pm

AngieBlue wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:39pm:
I wonder if the real 800lb gorilla isn't the Cohl/Live Nation lawsuit... Official denials of tour rumors?

The Cohl/Live Nation lawsuit did prompt a statement from StonesCo, but it wasn't a full-on denial, just that there were no "firm" tour plans at the time. SOP.

More telling imo was their officially distancing themselves from Cohl, noting that they'd been free of any obligations/agreements with him since the end of the ABB tour in 2007.

Lawsuits can take years to adjudicate.
If the Stones do plan on touring again, they can partner up with promoters other than Michael Cohl or Live Nation.


 

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Gazza on Apr 15th, 2011 at 4:58pm

LadyJane wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 7:51am:
There are many rumblings that "it's over".
More chatter than I have ever heard in all the years I've been a fan.
Are Mick and Keith at war over the "tiny todger" remark?
Is Keith unable to Tour because of his arthritis?
Do they just not want to be bothered?

I have always felt that they would never let the 50th Anniversary go by
without another Tour.  Now I'm not so sure.

So I'd like to start a serious discussion here.

What does everyone think?

LJ.


'Todgergate' is certainly a sore point. As one contact told me at the end of last year, he didnt know if a tour in the near future was likely because 'its a bit like World War III at the minute'.  However, its nothing that cant or wont be overcome by a promoter dangling a cheque in front of them for about $300 million.

The Great Unknown issue to me is Keith. For the man who's traditionally harped on down the years about living to perform, he's been pretty much retired since the last tour ended. A low-key 3-song guest appearance with the Crickets is (I think) his only live performance and he's hardly done any studio work.  I really doubt that he's fallen out of love with music THAT much so it strikes me that its more of an 'enforced' lay off. Granted, we're aware that Patti's illness sidelined him as did a broken finger, but I doubt that those have been enough on their own to warrant nearly four years of almost total inactivity. I'd also seriously doubt that when the Stones left the stage on 26th August 2007 they intended to a) retire or b) be inactive for so long before working again. Taking years off in your mid 60s doesnt augur well for the quality of your performances whenever you choose to start things up again.

IF Keith is capable of performing again, I've little doubt that the Stones will tour in 2012. Too much significance around the anniversary and too many opportunities to be passed up. I DONT think they'll perform at the Olympics (thank God). From what I understand, the organisers are probably going to focus more on younger acts anyway.  

I also dont think that a tour will be a long one. Going by the time off they need on a tour between shows (the last European tour had 30 shows and took them 12 weeks!) and their age, I seriously doubt they're going to want to spend a year or two on the road. It's also my own belief that the next tour (and it'll be their last - anyone who thinks there'll be another one after it is delusional) will pretty much be concentrated on 'A' markets - Bigger Bang was pretty much a farewell tour to all the lesser markets. I'd be surprised if they play more than about 80 shows and that there will be anything outside North America, Europe (by that I mean western Europe) and Japan (and even Japan must be a doubt after recent events). Maybe Australia.

Another major issue is how they're going to equate being the most expensive concert ticket in rock music with doing a tour in the middle of a world recession. This could also have been a major reason why they havent toured at all in recent years. This will be the first Stones tour since the economic crash and considering theyve toured so much in recent years with basically the same show - whilst NOT attracting new fans - its going to be a hard sell unless they absolutely blatantly bill it as a farewell tour. U2 managed to put on the most lucrative tour ever DESPITE the recession- but their business model was far superior to the often shambolic way the last Stones tour was promoted. - ie, top priced ticket $250,  General admission tickets instead of all-seated,  10,000 tickets per venue priced $30., Field tickets for $55. Certainly a better way of attracting younger fans than the humiliating firesales that Cohl dreamed up to shift thousands of unsold seats in tarped off stadiums on the last American tour the Stones did. Thankfully, I don't think Cohl will be on board for the next tour.

In short (!), I think they'll tour - but they're going to have to learn a few lessons from the U2 tour and make some significant changes to their current M.O. to maintain the success levels of previous tours.

Unfortunately, I'm much less confident about their ability to perform at a consistent level for a prolonged period of time after what will be a five year lay off.  Age, inactivity, ill-health and lifestyles are four factors whose combined signifance can't really be disregarded. Naturally, as a fan, I'd want to see them tour again - but the longer they choose to leave it, the less I think it's a good idea from the perspective of musical quality and what it will do to their reputation.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Paranoid Android on Apr 15th, 2011 at 5:03pm
2012...The landmark year is only 7.5 months away...
If they want to plan anything and have fun spending the money before Dec 23rd ( the end of the world) , they need to start planning the small ( but spectacular)
tour ASAP!!

Oh, wait...you said a serious discussion LJ...Let me ask my brand new Magic 8 Ball ( seriously...just got it yesterday!!)

"Will The Rolling Stones Tour in 2012?"

WITHOUT A DOUBT

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Apr 15th, 2011 at 5:16pm
Gazza's post is as informative as ever, but here's this Englishman's take :-

I think they’ll be back with a tour next year, though perhaps not on the scale we have been accustomed to post-Steel Wheels. Gazza has said here and elsewhere that the Bigger Bang Tour acted as a farewell to some of the smaller markets and I am inclined to agree. I believe it’ll be the biggest cities across North America, Europe and perhaps a handful of shows in Australia or Japan. As for here in the UK, I think they’ll finally perform the new – well, it’s not anymore! – Wembley Stadium, a show in Manchester, Birmingham or Sheffield and a show-or-two in Scotland. I’m sure Ireland will get another performance and I dearly hope our Belfast buddy well get see the boys in his hometown… at last!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by luxury on Apr 15th, 2011 at 5:47pm
Bravo Gazza!  you are one articulate mo-fo

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Ginda on Apr 15th, 2011 at 7:01pm
As previously stated, all Stones (except KR) have demonstrated they are more than road ready.  He is indeed the 800 lb gorilla.  If they do tour, I think guest guitarists should be hired for each leg of the tour to take the mental and physical pressure off Keith.  My fingers ache just looking at his poor knuckles.  IF Mick can overlook Keith's bitchery in "Life" and perform with him again, Keith should make sure his shoulders are chip-free as well and welcome Mick Taylor and other well-known guest guitarists with open arms.  And if the wonderful Mr Perks could join them for a few - fantastic.

If touring means compromising any member's health or sobriety, I'd rather they didn't.  If it's going to be war horses and more hard looks (or no looks) between Mick and Keith, I won't be there.  The Boogie 4 Stu clips show what can result when people love what they are playing and like and respect the people sharing the stage.  That would be a nice last memory.

To answer your question LJ - start saving your money.  I think there will be a tour.





Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Throwaway on Apr 15th, 2011 at 7:21pm

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 5:16pm:
Gazza's post is as informative as ever, but here's this Englishman's take :-

I think they’ll be back with a tour next year, though perhaps not on the scale we have been accustomed to post-Steel Wheels. Gazza has said here and elsewhere that the Bigger Bang Tour acted as a farewell to some of the smaller markets and I am inclined to agree. I believe it’ll be the biggest cities across North America, Europe and perhaps a handful of shows in Australia or Japan. As for here in the UK, I think they’ll finally perform the new – well, it’s not anymore! – Wembley Stadium, a show in Manchester, Birmingham or Sheffield and a show-or-two in Scotland. I’m sure Ireland will get another performance and I dearly hope our Belfast buddy well get see the boys in his hometown… at last!



Let's hope nobody gets Omaha'd this time!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by mojoman on Apr 15th, 2011 at 11:23pm

Pdog wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:36pm:
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Rock is dead they say..........

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Pdog on Apr 15th, 2011 at 11:50pm

mojoman wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 11:23pm:

Pdog wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:36pm:
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Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by gorda on Apr 16th, 2011 at 12:39am
Will we ever see the Stones on tour again?

The truth?

Probably not!

That was it!

Good Times!

Cherish the memories!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by RSRTG on Apr 16th, 2011 at 4:39am
I can only hope that I see them again, their music, their lives mean the world to me.
If they do tour next year to celebrate the 50th anniversary then they need to include or invite, Mick Taylor and Bill Wyman for it to be 100% successful.
I will travel anywhere anytime to witness them 1 last time, if they dont do Wembley then its MSG for the 1st time if I can get a ticket.........please Stones god...please...1 more tour......please...... :kissmyass

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Joey on Apr 16th, 2011 at 12:01pm
" the humiliating firesales that Cohl dreamed up to shift thousands of unsold seats in tarped off stadiums on the last American tour the Stones did. Thankfully, I don't think Cohl will be on board for the next tour.   "


<  ------ weatherwise  ,  performing a concert at Chicago's Soldier Field towards the end of September is very ' risky ' at best  . The decision by Cohl to book the band in said stadium during the middle of October in 2006 is completely unconscionable and utterly unforgivable by Mick & Keef .


Concur Lil' Fella ( Oh , Lil' Fijikins ... Little Fiji    ... oh ............... )  


Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by straycatuk on Apr 16th, 2011 at 12:06pm
I think they will tour. Aug 2012 to Aug 2013 is my guess. If Keith is really struggling I could see Waddy Watchel in the back line. Forget Taylor or Bill doing a full tour - Maybe a few UK guest spots  ,but the aren't up to / willing to go on the road for a world tour IMHO .

Keith is the only doubt. Can he play chords?,Can he stay sober? (and not fuck up tours by falling off ladders,trees etc. - HE WAS DRUNK). Can he keep his fucking bitter,childish MOUTH SHUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!?

I'm sorry to sound harsh about the man that I once worshipped as the coolest on the planet, but I've just finished reading "Life".

I know the moment he walks out and plays Satisfaction ,SMU , JJF or whatever it will all be forgotten.


sc uk

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Steel Wheels on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:20pm
It's all over when I say it's all over, and I say bring on 2012. Or 2013!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Paranoid Android on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm
New ( realistic ) Business Model = Residencies + Mid Markets + "No Security" attitude - Ego -  Cohl Model  = Successful 50th...

Hell...why not just set up shop in London, NYC, Vegas and LA...Clean house...Play/Relax...and go out a winner!!!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by steel driving hammer on Apr 17th, 2011 at 3:37pm

Pdog wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 11:50pm:

mojoman wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 11:23pm:

Pdog wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:36pm:
message boards are dead!



Rock is dead they say..........



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lol

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Apr 17th, 2011 at 5:38pm
I think we're gonna see them next year as a band and I'm sure that even if one of them dies and the Rolling Stones as a band end we're gonna see them playing as solo musicians or the new barbarians or the "rucoling stones"or something, they won't stop, playing rock is addictive and they have more than 50 years playing it!

:willya

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Joey on Apr 17th, 2011 at 7:05pm
"  ..  they won't stop, playing rock is addictive and they have more than 50 years playing it!   "

!!!!!




Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by LadyJane on Apr 17th, 2011 at 10:14pm
Nice to see this hasn't fallen to page 2.
I'm pleasantly surprised by the replies.
You give me hope.

My conclusion is that this all about Keith's ability to play for extended periods.
However,  if anyone is going to invoke that old adage "Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated,
it's our Keef".  :wtf1

LJ.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by BILL PERKS on Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:04am
CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH, AND HAVE SUCH A GREAT LEGACY..."SHINE A LIGHT" IS A GREAT WAY TO GO OUT.


GAZZA YOUR POST WAS SUBLIME,AS USUAL.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by straycatuk on Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:15am

BILL PERKS wrote on Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:04am:
CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH, AND HAVE SUCH A GREAT LEGACY..."SHINE A LIGHT" IS A GREAT WAY TO GO OUT.


GAZZA YOUR POST WAS SUBLIME,AS USUAL.


Sadly I Agree

sc uk

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Steel Wheels on Apr 18th, 2011 at 3:53pm
If people don't care for the last tour, the last record, the last gig, the most recent picture, a book, how someone plays, sings, or doesn't sound like what they heard in 1972, then it's time to pack up and roll on. There are other bands to become fans of. I'm not giving up on this band. At times in my life, this band are all I have.

I for one am waiting for the next time I have Lady Jane on one side of me and GTRM on the other and we're dancing and singing along to the greatest rock and roll band-The Rolling Stones.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by uncleson on Apr 18th, 2011 at 4:26pm

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Apr 17th, 2011 at 5:38pm:
I think we're gonna see them next year as a band and I'm sure that even if one of them dies and the Rolling Stones as a band end we're gonna see them playing as solo musicians or the new barbarians or the "rucoling stones"or something, they won't stop, playing rock is addictive and they have more than 50 years playing it!

:willya


or the Xpensive Winos.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by BILL PERKS on Apr 18th, 2011 at 4:27pm

Steel Wheels wrote on Apr 18th, 2011 at 3:53pm:
If people don't care for the last tour, the last record, the last gig, the most recent picture, a book, how someone plays, sings, or doesn't sound like what they heard in 1972, then it's time to pack up and roll on. There are other bands to become fans of. I'm not giving up on this band. At times in my life, this band are all I have.

I for one am waiting for the next time I have Lady Jane on one side of me and GTRM on the other and we're dancing and singing along to the greatest rock and roll band-The Rolling Stones.


I WOULD LOVE IT TO HAPPEN TOO ! JUST DON'T THINK IT WILL. TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Gimme Shelter on Apr 18th, 2011 at 5:43pm
The Return of 'Ask Keith' on keithrichards.com!
:wtf1

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Joey on Apr 18th, 2011 at 6:04pm
" CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.  "

What .. ?!  .. !!!! :

!!!!!!!!




Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Some Guy on Apr 18th, 2011 at 9:45pm

BILL PERKS wrote on Apr 18th, 2011 at 8:04am:
CHARLIE ONCE SAID "I THINK THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK PRETTY STUPID STILL DOING IT". ITHINK THAT TIME HAS ARRIVED.
I DONT THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT 5 YEARS AFTER AN INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT TOUR THAT THEY CAN REBOUND TO DELIVER THE WAY WE'RE USED TO AND DRAW THE CROWDS THAT MICK'S EGO DEMANDS.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH, AND HAVE SUCH A GREAT LEGACY..."SHINE A LIGHT" IS A GREAT WAY TO GO OUT.


GAZZA YOUR POST WAS SUBLIME,AS USUAL.

and then depression set in...

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by corgi37 on Apr 19th, 2011 at 3:01am
They should spend summer in Australia, keeping warm and their fingers nimble by playing sold out shows across the country at a comfortable pace, having a beer with me at my club (there IS a small stage there! just saying) and try out new and unheard of songs, before hitting the U.S. and making the real dollars.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Gazza on Apr 19th, 2011 at 7:48am

Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
New ( realistic ) Business Model = Residencies + Mid Markets + "No Security" attitude - Ego -  Cohl Model  = Successful 50th...

Hell...why not just set up shop in London, NYC, Vegas and LA...Clean house...Play/Relax...and go out a winner!!!


Thats exactly what they should do - but its not going to work with the ticket pricing model they use now.

The system they've used on recent tours is fine if you're someone who doesnt go to many shows by ANY act and if you're only going to see the Stones ONCE per tour.

Setting up house at Madison Square Garden, the MGM Grand, the 02 Arena or wherever and playing ten shows or so is only workable if you're going to attract repeat attendees and/or tourists. If you're flying to see a gig and paying for hotels, most people's options are going to be seriously limited if they're being asked to pay a week's salary for a concert ticket as well. Its even worse if you're wanting to see more than one show.

It works for the likes of Prince because most of his tickets are very cheap, but its subsidised by having a small % which are very expensive. Most of his tickets in London in 2007 were £31.21. He filled 21 nights at the 02. Thats over 400,000 seats. Most Stones tickets were five times as expensive. They just about sold out three shows. Prince is doing 21 nights at the LA Forum now with most tickets costing $25 - there are a few hundred I think which cost several hundred dollars. That's the way to do it. On the last tour the Stones hardly ever played more than one or two nights anywhere - they did a few return visits to major markets like New York and LA, but basically had to time those to take place 5-6 months later to allow the ticketbuyer's wallets to recover from their previous visit.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by straycatuk on Apr 19th, 2011 at 8:50am
My credit card just winced !

I seem to remember a very large percentage of seats for the o2 were at top price - £150 + fees . I would be surprised if they could get away with that in the current climate.

I think besides the Keith issues, the other main factor is that people (me included) aren't willing / able to run up big credit card bills  to fund a tour 6 months in advance of any shows.


sc uk

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by AngieBlue on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:51pm

Gazza wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 7:48am:

Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
New ( realistic ) Business Model = Residencies + Mid Markets + "No Security" attitude - Ego -  Cohl Model  = Successful 50th...

Hell...why not just set up shop in London, NYC, Vegas and LA...Clean house...Play/Relax...and go out a winner!!!


Thats exactly what they should do - but its not going to work with the ticket pricing model they use now.

The system they've used on recent tours is fine if you're someone who doesnt go to many shows by ANY act and if you're only going to see the Stones ONCE per tour.

Setting up house at Madison Square Garden, the MGM Grand, the 02 Arena or wherever and playing ten shows or so is only workable if you're going to attract repeat attendees and/or tourists. If you're flying to see a gig and paying for hotels, most people's options are going to be seriously limited if they're being asked to pay a week's salary for a concert ticket as well. Its even worse if you're wanting to see more than one show.

It works for the likes of Prince because most of his tickets are very cheap, but its subsidised by having a small % which are very expensive. Most of his tickets in London in 2007 were £31.21. He filled 21 nights at the 02. Thats over 400,000 seats. Most Stones tickets were five times as expensive. They just about sold out three shows. Prince is doing 21 nights at the LA Forum now with most tickets costing $25 - there are a few hundred I think which cost several hundred dollars. That's the way to do it. On the last tour the Stones hardly ever played more than one or two nights anywhere - they did a few return visits to major markets like New York and LA, but basically had to time those to take place 5-6 months later to allow the ticketbuyer's wallets to recover from their previous visit.


That works, but you forgot a spot in the States...the Middle.  Denver, Kansas City or St. Louis has to be in there.  It's still too expensive to travel, plus hotel, tickets and lost work time for the average person to make it from the middle to the coasts.  Not too mention that hotels rates are double and triple in NYC and LA for the same hotel chains as they are in any of the midwest cities.  Play four nights at one of the arenas there...although I admit I'm biased to the Sprint Center.  Otherwise, I agree with you two 100%.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Apr 19th, 2011 at 2:46pm

AngieBlue wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:51pm:

Gazza wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 7:48am:

Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
New ( realistic ) Business Model = Residencies + Mid Markets + "No Security" attitude - Ego -  Cohl Model  = Successful 50th...

Hell...why not just set up shop in London, NYC, Vegas and LA...Clean house...Play/Relax...and go out a winner!!!


Thats exactly what they should do - but its not going to work with the ticket pricing model they use now.

The system they've used on recent tours is fine if you're someone who doesnt go to many shows by ANY act and if you're only going to see the Stones ONCE per tour.

Setting up house at Madison Square Garden, the MGM Grand, the 02 Arena or wherever and playing ten shows or so is only workable if you're going to attract repeat attendees and/or tourists. If you're flying to see a gig and paying for hotels, most people's options are going to be seriously limited if they're being asked to pay a week's salary for a concert ticket as well. Its even worse if you're wanting to see more than one show.

It works for the likes of Prince because most of his tickets are very cheap, but its subsidised by having a small % which are very expensive. Most of his tickets in London in 2007 were £31.21. He filled 21 nights at the 02. Thats over 400,000 seats. Most Stones tickets were five times as expensive. They just about sold out three shows. Prince is doing 21 nights at the LA Forum now with most tickets costing $25 - there are a few hundred I think which cost several hundred dollars. That's the way to do it. On the last tour the Stones hardly ever played more than one or two nights anywhere - they did a few return visits to major markets like New York and LA, but basically had to time those to take place 5-6 months later to allow the ticketbuyer's wallets to recover from their previous visit.


That works, but you forgot a spot in the States...the Middle.  Denver, Kansas City or St. Louis has to be in there.  It's still too expensive to travel, plus hotel, tickets and lost work time for the average person to make it from the middle to the coasts.  Not too mention that hotels rates are double and triple in NYC and LA for the same hotel chains as they are in any of the midwest cities.  Play four nights at one of the arenas there...although I admit I'm biased to the Sprint Center.  Otherwise, I agree with you two 100%.

Well if they used that model,then Chicago would be the most likely place for a midwest residency.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by AngieBlue on Apr 19th, 2011 at 3:10pm
True, Chicago would be the most likely.  

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by paul on Apr 21st, 2011 at 3:53pm
To answer the question, YES. Just not in the same way as before. Didn't Keith say they were looking for a way to grow old.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Some Guy on Apr 21st, 2011 at 4:41pm
not sure now. I was jamming to Plundered on the way home and that might be them riding off into the sunset. :weed

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by scotty971 on May 8th, 2011 at 10:46am
I have a question --

Is the Marquee still open in London?

Can you imagine a final show there with all living members, past and present?

Film it.  That would be the way to end it.  They can end it where they started it.

Just my 2 cents....

Regardless, they are still "The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band"

Long live The Stones!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Some Guy on May 8th, 2011 at 11:42am
possibly

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by gimmekeef on May 8th, 2011 at 11:51am

scotty971 wrote on May 8th, 2011 at 10:46am:
I have a question --

Is the Marquee still open in London?

Can you imagine a final show there with all living members, past and present?

Film it.  That would be the way to end it.  They can end it where they started it.

Just my 2 cents....

Regardless, they are still "The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band"

Long live The Stones!


hey there..great first post and what a way to go..in 2019!

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Sasha Luvs Sully on May 8th, 2011 at 9:35pm
I do think they will do some sort of tour next year. I just can't believe that they would let their 50th year anniversary go without performing. It seems an impossibility to me.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Some Guy on May 9th, 2011 at 3:27pm
They all look good so it might well be 2012 50th anniversary farewell tour.
Who knows?

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by Gazza on May 10th, 2011 at 10:42am

scotty971 wrote on May 8th, 2011 at 10:46am:
I have a question --

Is the Marquee still open in London?

Can you imagine a final show there with all living members, past and present?

Film it.  That would be the way to end it.  They can end it where they started it.

Just my 2 cents....

Regardless, they are still "The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band"

Long live The Stones!


Nice intro, Scotty.

Cool idea too.

The Marquee has moved a few times since the Stones debuted at it's original Oxford Street location in 1962 - their 1971 TV special was filmed at a different Marquee in Wardour Street in the heart of Soho. A group headed by Dave Stewart bought it over in 2001 and it closed, re-emerged and closed again a couple more times before the most recent location in Covent Garden closed its doors in 2008. There's been nothing since and it doesnt look like there will be, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by ijwthstd on May 10th, 2011 at 6:01pm

AngieBlue wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 3:39pm:
Charlie in recent interviews has mentioned there will be future activity.  So, that makes me hopeful.

I'm with you LJ, I don't think they'll let the 50th go by without touring.
But the more I thought about it  I wonder if they'll use the term '50th'?

We were all sure they were going to tour last year.  All things pointed that way.
At the time it looked like Ronnie was the cause of the band's inactivity and look at him go now!

I wonder if the real 800lb gorilla isn't the Cohl/Live Nation lawsuit.


Nah, they could always go with AEG on the national level or even some local promoters in certain markets.

Though it would suck for fans who want to just see the Stones, they could also do the festival circuit, get a hefty fee without it being dependent on tens of thousands of people paying hundreds of dollars for just one band.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by corgi37 on May 11th, 2011 at 7:04am
I was hoping they'd kick off this year. But it's obviously not going to happen. They are probably waiting for the Yank dollar to go up.

Title: Re: Will we ever see the Stones live again?
Post by steel driving hammer on May 11th, 2011 at 9:06am
 
corgi37 wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:04am:
I was hoping they'd kick off this year. But it's obviously not going to happen. They are probably waiting for the Yank dollar to go up.


I think if they kick off this year it would be their 49th aniversary tour...

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