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Message started by Heart Of Stone on Dec 28th, 2010 at 1:16pm

Title: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 28th, 2010 at 1:16pm
Us Weekly Exclusive: Sir Elton John and David Furnish Welcome New Baby
'We are overwhelmed with happiness and joy at this very special moment,' John and Furnish tell Us
Kevin Mazur/VF1/WireImage
By Us Weekly
December 27, 2010 10:55 PM EDT


Sir Elton John and David Furnish have become parents to son Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John, the couple tells UsMagazine.com exclusively.

The baby boy, who was born Dec. 25 in California via a surrogate, weighed 7 pounds, 15 ounces.

PHOTOS: Who else is expecting?

"We are overwhelmed with happiness and joy at this very special moment," John and Furnish tell Us in a joint statement. "Zachary is healthy and doing really well, and we are very proud and happy parents."

PHOTOS: Adorable A-list babies

This is the first child for John, 62, and Furnish, 48. The couple married in 2005 after 12 years together.

PHOTOS: More famous families

A rep for the couple has stated that they intend to protect and respect the privacy of their surrogate, and will not be discussing any details relating to the surrogacy arrangements.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/us-weekly-exclusive-sir-elton-john-and-david-furnish-welcome-a-new-baby-20101227

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Dec 28th, 2010 at 1:29pm
Oh, how very ridiculous and typical!

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by steel driving hammer on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:09pm
 "How ya like it up the back?"

- Keith sometime on stage durring 1989.

Prolly talking about Happy but just somewhat thought it relates to Elton.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Brainbell Jangler on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:34pm
He was born a pauper to a pawn
On a Christmas day when the New York Times
Said God is dead and the war's begun
Alvin Tostig had a son today
And he shall be Levon

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:48pm

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:34pm:
He was born a pauper to a pawn
On a Christmas day when the New York Times
Said God is dead and the war's begun
Alvin Tostig had a son today
And he shall be Levon

Great song. Otherwise I don't have much to say about Elton. :interestingstuffronnie

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:27pm

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?


No, I didn't intend it like that, in a lot of cases the kids turn out o.k. it's just that every kid who is lacking a Male or Female role model growing up, who is without a Mother or Father can be troubled by it.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by steel driving hammer on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:04pm
What a gas gas gas...

lol

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Tumbling Dijs on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:35pm
Well, I guess everything is possible when you've got money. In Holland one can adopt a child from another country only when you're not older than 41 or 42 years old. I think that's a good thing. Elton will be 80 when he must pick up this child at a disco on a saturdaynight (lol). I don't think that's a good thing.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Paranoid Android on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:49pm
This is like winning the lottery for the kid...not quite Branjolina or Madonna lottery...but a win fall none-the-less.
Glad the child is healthy and hope the couple can keep it together...or at least their staff!!!

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:54pm

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Edith Grove on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:00pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:54pm:


But YOU started this thread, no?  :forfucksake

I just want to know, how do they decide who's going to be the pitcher & who's the catcher?

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by lavendar on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:05pm
At first I thought this odd,
but its like the saying
"its not the size that counts its how you use it"

This also relates to parenting

Its all a question of being raised correctly.

and people with money are brought up much differently.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:13pm

Edith Grove wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:00pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:54pm:


But YOU started this thread, no?  :forfucksake

I just want to know, how do they decide who's going to be the pitcher & who's the catcher?


With little Richard Simmons, he does both.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:18pm
Not for people of the Catholic Faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpuYoK6wv_Y&list=PLC8163370DB0E8E71&index=16

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Brainbell Jangler on Dec 28th, 2010 at 7:34pm

Edith Grove wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:00pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:54pm:


But YOU started this thread, no?  :forfucksake

I just want to know, how do they decide who's going to be the pitcher & who's the catcher?

Why do you care?
P.S. You misspelled "howe".
:areyoufuckingserious

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Edith Grove on Dec 28th, 2010 at 8:35pm

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 7:34pm:
You misspelled "howe".


I may have graduated from public school, but I know my adverbs, dammit!  :whydontcha

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by steel driving hammer on Dec 29th, 2010 at 8:06am
"Howe" is an old joke from Kenos Stones board.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Ian Billen on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:07am
Interesting. Certainly I'm not a gay basher. However, I don't know if I can "agree" to this?

Kids generally follow in the path of their parents. If their parents are both losers then the kid is most likely gonna be one. How a child grows up and what he sees going on in his home as "common place" has all the impact, and influence on their lifestyle as they get older. What a child was taught when he was young is instilled in him/her. He or she is then much more likely to pass on those, or at least some of those ideals to his her own children.

That said,

I cant see a boy, with Gay parents, raising him, teaching, showing etc. etc. growing up just as every other boy in the neighborhood. When "dad" wakes up in the morning and walks out to the kitchen and kisses "daddy" and asks what's for breakfast it has to play into the psychology of a child's grasp on his or her take on traditional marriage and later on in life what that child considers standard or expected...

Certainly hope I didn't offend anyone. That's the last thing in the world I want to do in a topic like this. I have had casual friendships with a few gay people in my life (purely casual, never intimate or sexual he he) and I had no issue with it. Most of them had many redeeming qualities. I just believe standard living should be presented to a child first, then it's up to the child. To me, this guy-guy parenting promotes some homosexuality to the child. I don't think it should "promoted" is all I'm saying. Not to a kid growing up. When he or she is older they can do as they please however this type of parenting seems to promote it to the kid more over.

Ian

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 7:33am
Relax Ian, what you're saying is basically right.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:03am

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?


the belief that same sex or single parents can not raise a child with love and instruction is a lie. It is false and the people who spew the ignorance aren't worthy of debate. It is the same mindset that argued against interacial or inter- religion ect... My theory is, they either had love at home and were told, it only exists like this, creating a narrow view or they had very little love and do not know how to seek it, and instead create ideas to destroy what others build because they never had it... either way, there is no debate with these folks, they have no vision, they are the human historical equivilent of mile markers, just look at them as you pass and see your own progress in life!
have a nice day!

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:10am

Edith Grove wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 5:00pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 4:54pm:


But YOU started this thread, no?  :forfucksake

I just want to know, how do they decide who's going to be the pitcher & who's the catcher?



whenever straight people, who oppose gay rights bring this up... I say, you might need to go do some personal sexual research, since you need to have a question answered, that requires experience, a story will not suffice... even though the obvious intent of the question is to try to put the speaker in a place of superiority and is an attempt to degrade a group.
If you really want to know how other people fuck, then... you might be sexually unsatisfied...

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:20am

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:07am:
Interesting. Certainly I'm not a gay basher. However, I don't know if I can "agree" to this?

Kids generally follow in the path of their parents. If their parents are both losers then the kid is most likely gonna be one. How a child grows up and what he sees going on in his home as "common place" has all the impact, and influence on their lifestyle as they get older. What a child was taught when he was young is instilled in him/her. He or she is then much more likely to pass on those, or at least some of those ideals to his her own children.

That said,

I cant see a boy, with Gay parents, raising him, teaching, showing etc. etc. growing up just as every other boy in the neighborhood. When "dad" wakes up in the morning and walks out to the kitchen and kisses "daddy" and asks what's for breakfast it has to play into the psychology of a child's grasp on his or her take on traditional marriage and later on in life what that child considers standard or expected...

Certainly hope I didn't offend anyone. That's the last thing in the world I want to do in a topic like this. I have had casual friendships with a few gay people in my life (purely casual, never intimate or sexual he he) and I had no issue with it. Most of them had many redeeming qualities. I just believe standard living should be presented to a child first, then it's up to the child. To me, this guy-guy parenting promotes some homosexuality to the child. I don't think it should "promoted" is all I'm saying. Not to a kid growing up. When he or she is older they can do as they please however this type of parenting seems to promote it to the kid more over.

Ian



most kids don't see any affection in the home... millions grow up with parents who show no love to each other... you are concerned about all these heterosexual relationships that are creating this? you know how high divorce rates are? Kids with no love who are ignored... who don't get asked what they want for breakfast... love and expressing love is not the same as fucking, as so many tend to elude. And there is no evidence, that gay parents raise gay kids or any other type of person...
It always cracks me up, that male fans of the stones, who have been looking at Micks cock in his tight outfits for years, are hung up on any form of male sexuality, period! Some serious issues here boys! I'm glad I don't think about how you guys fuck, because when I start to go there, It seems like it's reall repressed and uncomfortable.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 9:46am

Pdog wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:20am:
[quote author=Ian Billen link=1293563777/0#19 date=1294034848]
It always cracks me up, that male fans of the stones, who have been looking at Micks cock in his tight outfits for years,


I used to you your cooking, your laundry too!!

Now what more pretty woman can  man like me do?

I'm fed up, OH YEAH, your Crackin' Up!

Ole Buns Rush Jagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great song.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 9:48am
Pdog I think Mick is the ONLY execption...

If you know what I mean............................................

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Lazy Bones on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 11:03am
It's an absolute shame that the timeless reality concerning the well-being of a child to be raised by a mother AND a father is now cowardly titled "ignorance".

I guess it's now politically incorrect to start a phrase: "my mother always told me...".



 

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:16pm
about the only thing worth considering here is that the child grows up healthy and well cared for......

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Ginda on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:19pm

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:16pm:
about the only thing worth considering here is that the child grows up healthy and well cared for......


Right on.  And (if I may add) WANTED.  This little boy was planned for by 2 people in a committed relationship for 12 years.  I think he's off to a better start than most...

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Pdog on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 2:53pm

Ginda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:19pm:

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:16pm:
about the only thing worth considering here is that the child grows up healthy and well cared for......


Right on.  And (if I may add) WANTED.  This little boy was planned for by 2 people in a committed relationship for 12 years.  I think he's off to a better start than most...



Exactly...

Best tee shirt from 2010 on gay rights!


Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 6:17pm
It all depends on if you believe people are born gay or if it's a learned behavior.
One thing the gay rights have won on is people changing their spouse's title, it's no longer Wife or Husband, it's partner, I was talking to a guy not long ago & he mentioned his partner, I was surprised & mentioned "I didn't know you were gay" he said  "no, I'm talking about my wife,  it's the in thing now to be gay friendly"

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Ian Billen on Jan 4th, 2011 at 12:36am

Pdog wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:03am:

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?


the belief that same sex or single parents can not raise a child with love and instruction is a lie. It is false and the people who spew the ignorance aren't worthy of debate. It is the same mindset that argued against interacial or inter- religion ect... My theory is, they either had love at home and were told, it only exists like this, creating a narrow view or they had very little love and do not know how to seek it, and instead create ideas to destroy what others build because they never had it... either way, there is no debate with these folks, they have no vision, they are the human historical equivilent of mile markers, just look at them as you pass and see your own progress in life!
have a nice day!

__________________________

A single parent can raise a kid with love, proper instruction, and all the things needed to be productive in life. Certainly it can be done and there are many individuals that serve as nice examples. I do feel two parents provide the best atmosphere if they are both decent people with decent values. Not a requirement, just better in terms of it being the probability of a better home-life for a child is all. That said, it would be far better to have a decent single parent raise a child than two half wits or one horrible parent in the couple. I agree. I feel in order to understand the opposite sex as one ages, it is best to "live" with one and see their needs. This is why I feel the so called Mom and Pop situation is best. Is it needed ... no. It can be done with either. Are two better to have that other side to understand ...in my opinion definitely.

Ian

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Pdog on Jan 4th, 2011 at 8:51am

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 12:36am:

Pdog wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:03am:

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?


the belief that same sex or single parents can not raise a child with love and instruction is a lie. It is false and the people who spew the ignorance aren't worthy of debate. It is the same mindset that argued against interacial or inter- religion ect... My theory is, they either had love at home and were told, it only exists like this, creating a narrow view or they had very little love and do not know how to seek it, and instead create ideas to destroy what others build because they never had it... either way, there is no debate with these folks, they have no vision, they are the human historical equivilent of mile markers, just look at them as you pass and see your own progress in life!
have a nice day!

__________________________

A single parent can raise a kid with love, proper instruction, and all the things needed to be productive in life. Certainly it can be done and there are many individuals that serve as nice examples. I do feel two parents provide the best atmosphere if they are both decent people with decent values. Not a requirement, just better in terms of it being the probability of a better home-life for a child is all. That said, it would be far better to have a decent single parent raise a child than two half wits or one horrible parent in the couple. I agree. I feel in order to understand the opposite sex as one ages, it is best to "live" with one and see their needs. This is why I feel the so called Mom and Pop situation is best. Is it needed ... no. It can be done with either. Are two better to have that other side to understand ...in my opinion definitely.

Ian



if love and good direction is all you say is needed than gender or sexual preference mean nothing...

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Ian Billen on Jan 4th, 2011 at 8:41pm

Pdog wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 8:51am:

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 12:36am:

Pdog wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:03am:

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?


the belief that same sex or single parents can not raise a child with love and instruction is a lie. It is false and the people who spew the ignorance aren't worthy of debate. It is the same mindset that argued against interacial or inter- religion ect... My theory is, they either had love at home and were told, it only exists like this, creating a narrow view or they had very little love and do not know how to seek it, and instead create ideas to destroy what others build because they never had it... either way, there is no debate with these folks, they have no vision, they are the human historical equivilent of mile markers, just look at them as you pass and see your own progress in life!
have a nice day!

__________________________

A single parent can raise a kid with love, proper instruction, and all the things needed to be productive in life. Certainly it can be done and there are many individuals that serve as nice examples. I do feel two parents provide the best atmosphere if they are both decent people with decent values. Not a requirement, just better in terms of it being the probability of a better home-life for a child is all. That said, it would be far better to have a decent single parent raise a child than two half wits or one horrible parent in the couple. I agree. I feel in order to understand the opposite sex as one ages, it is best to "live" with one and see their needs. This is why I feel the so called Mom and Pop situation is best. Is it needed ... no. It can be done with either. Are two better to have that other side to understand ...in my opinion definitely.

Ian



if love and good direction is all you say is needed than gender or sexual preference mean nothing...


______________________________

I have researched just a tad in the past on this very topic after seeing a special concerning it on TV. I researched it and read on it you know...just for the hell of it. "Supposedly" ... Kids with gay parents have no more chance of being gay than the next...( I still have a hard time believing this. If they are not gay then.... are they going to be the same and basically normal just as the next bloke or chic...? hmmmm). I don't hate anyone gay. I'm not a redneck who bashes gays all day. In fact I actually find the subject humorous at times... Anyway, your sign about ...."if the fetus your about to save is gay would you still save it".... my answer is sure. A life is a life. I will think about your opinion and I'll rethink mine a bit. Nuff said I suppose.

Ian

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Jan 5th, 2011 at 11:27am
Gay rights to the extreme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPjEjXyZ2vE

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Pdog on Jan 5th, 2011 at 1:45pm

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 8:41pm:

Pdog wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 8:51am:

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 12:36am:

Pdog wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:03am:

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?


the belief that same sex or single parents can not raise a child with love and instruction is a lie. It is false and the people who spew the ignorance aren't worthy of debate. It is the same mindset that argued against interacial or inter- religion ect... My theory is, they either had love at home and were told, it only exists like this, creating a narrow view or they had very little love and do not know how to seek it, and instead create ideas to destroy what others build because they never had it... either way, there is no debate with these folks, they have no vision, they are the human historical equivilent of mile markers, just look at them as you pass and see your own progress in life!
have a nice day!

__________________________

A single parent can raise a kid with love, proper instruction, and all the things needed to be productive in life. Certainly it can be done and there are many individuals that serve as nice examples. I do feel two parents provide the best atmosphere if they are both decent people with decent values. Not a requirement, just better in terms of it being the probability of a better home-life for a child is all. That said, it would be far better to have a decent single parent raise a child than two half wits or one horrible parent in the couple. I agree. I feel in order to understand the opposite sex as one ages, it is best to "live" with one and see their needs. This is why I feel the so called Mom and Pop situation is best. Is it needed ... no. It can be done with either. Are two better to have that other side to understand ...in my opinion definitely.

Ian



if love and good direction is all you say is needed than gender or sexual preference mean nothing...


______________________________

I have researched just a tad in the past on this very topic after seeing a special concerning it on TV. I researched it and read on it you know...just for the hell of it. "Supposedly" ... Kids with gay parents have no more chance of being gay than the next...( I still have a hard time believing this. If they are not gay then.... are they going to be the same and basically normal just as the next bloke or chic...? hmmmm). I don't hate anyone gay. I'm not a redneck who bashes gays all day. In fact I actually find the subject humorous at times... Anyway, your sign about ...."if the fetus your about to save is gay would you still save it".... my answer is sure. A life is a life. I will think about your opinion and I'll rethink mine a bit. Nuff said I suppose.

Ian



love your reply. just being open to the idea, and you being willing to see anothers views, says tons about your character. i think a big problem with people, is that many can't do what you just did, and then it just goes horribly wrong. sex is sex, and i think sex is great, and is one of my favorite things about being alive... and our sexuality doesn't make us good or bad parents...  and it is great we live in a world, were people take on caring for children when for whatever reason, the biological parents aren't around...

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Ian Billen on Jan 6th, 2011 at 12:11am

Pdog wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 1:45pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 8:41pm:

Pdog wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 8:51am:

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 12:36am:

Pdog wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:03am:

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't agree with it at all, I think every child should be brought up with a Male & Female, other wise the kid will be screwed up, look at single parent families, when there's not a Father or Mother around, it's trouble down the line, this shouldn't be allowed, if they want to live together fine, but don't involve a child.


Err… are you seriously suggesting that those bought up by a single parent are likely to be ‘screwed up’? That’s rather ignorant, no?


the belief that same sex or single parents can not raise a child with love and instruction is a lie. It is false and the people who spew the ignorance aren't worthy of debate. It is the same mindset that argued against interacial or inter- religion ect... My theory is, they either had love at home and were told, it only exists like this, creating a narrow view or they had very little love and do not know how to seek it, and instead create ideas to destroy what others build because they never had it... either way, there is no debate with these folks, they have no vision, they are the human historical equivilent of mile markers, just look at them as you pass and see your own progress in life!
have a nice day!

__________________________

A single parent can raise a kid with love, proper instruction, and all the things needed to be productive in life. Certainly it can be done and there are many individuals that serve as nice examples. I do feel two parents provide the best atmosphere if they are both decent people with decent values. Not a requirement, just better in terms of it being the probability of a better home-life for a child is all. That said, it would be far better to have a decent single parent raise a child than two half wits or one horrible parent in the couple. I agree. I feel in order to understand the opposite sex as one ages, it is best to "live" with one and see their needs. This is why I feel the so called Mom and Pop situation is best. Is it needed ... no. It can be done with either. Are two better to have that other side to understand ...in my opinion definitely.

Ian



if love and good direction is all you say is needed than gender or sexual preference mean nothing...


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I have researched just a tad in the past on this very topic after seeing a special concerning it on TV. I researched it and read on it you know...just for the hell of it. "Supposedly" ... Kids with gay parents have no more chance of being gay than the next...( I still have a hard time believing this. If they are not gay then.... are they going to be the same and basically normal just as the next bloke or chic...? hmmmm). I don't hate anyone gay. I'm not a redneck who bashes gays all day. In fact I actually find the subject humorous at times... Anyway, your sign about ...."if the fetus your about to save is gay would you still save it".... my answer is sure. A life is a life. I will think about your opinion and I'll rethink mine a bit. Nuff said I suppose.

Ian



love your reply. just being open to the idea, and you being willing to see anothers views, says tons about your character. i think a big problem with people, is that many can't do what you just did, and then it just goes horribly wrong. sex is sex, and i think sex is great, and is one of my favorite things about being alive... and our sexuality doesn't make us good or bad parents...  and it is great we live in a world, were people take on caring for children when for whatever reason, the biological parents aren't around...


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Thx .. and when forming major opinions proper research (in all of, or only using proper channels), listening, and being open to the debate at hand is an educated way of forming an opinion. I am not saying I am going to change my mind. However, I respect and always look into the opinion of the next person in case I'm being too dismissive or aren't aware of something. If I haven't at least properly researched something I normally respond along the lines of .. "I haven't looked into this enough to give an educated opinion". It's the only way to fly... he he

Cheers


Ian

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Jan 13th, 2011 at 11:29am
NEWS
DIRE STRAITS - 'Money For Nothing' Banned In Canada
Rock Hard
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 09:02:10 EST

According to Spectator Wire Services, the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has ruled that DIRE STRAITS’ 1980s hit 'Money For Nothing' (which features THE POLICE's Sting on background vocals) is too offensive for Canadian radio.

The ruling, released Wednesday, was in response to a complaint against St. John’s radio station CHOZ-FM. The listener complained that the word faggot – which appears three times in the song is “extremely offensive” to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

The council is an independent body created by Canadian radio and television broadcasters to review the standards of their content.

The award-winning song was the first single off of Dire Straits’ album Brothers in Arms and has been an international music staple for 25 years.

The council ruled that the song contravenes its ethics code which states: “broadcasters shall ensure that their programming contains no abusive or unduly discriminatory material or comment which is based on matters of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status or physical or mental disability.”

It ruled that “faggot,” when used to describe a homosexual, is “even if entirely or marginally acceptable in earlier days, is no longer so.”

Offending Lyrics from Money for Nothing, by Dire Straits:

The little faggot with the earring and the makeup

Yeah, buddy, that’s his own hair

That little faggot’s got his own jet airplane

That little faggot, he’s a millionaire
http://www.bravewords.com/news/153967

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Lazy Bones on Jan 13th, 2011 at 12:14pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13th, 2011 at 11:29am:
NEWS
DIRE STRAITS - 'Money For Nothing' Banned In Canada
Rock Hard
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 09:02:10 EST

According to Spectator Wire Services, the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has ruled that DIRE STRAITS’ 1980s hit 'Money For Nothing' (which features THE POLICE's Sting on background vocals) is too offensive for Canadian radio.

The ruling, released Wednesday, was in response to a complaint against St. John’s radio station CHOZ-FM. The listener complained that the word faggot – which appears three times in the song is “extremely offensive” to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

The council is an independent body created by Canadian radio and television broadcasters to review the standards of their content.

The award-winning song was the first single off of Dire Straits’ album Brothers in Arms and has been an international music staple for 25 years.

The council ruled that the song contravenes its ethics code which states: “broadcasters shall ensure that their programming contains no abusive or unduly discriminatory material or comment which is based on matters of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status or physical or mental disability.”

It ruled that “faggot,” when used to describe a homosexual, is “even if entirely or marginally acceptable in earlier days, is no longer so.”

Offending Lyrics from Money for Nothing, by Dire Straits:

The little faggot with the earring and the makeup

Yeah, buddy, that’s his own hair

That little faggot’s got his own jet airplane

That little faggot, he’s a millionaire
http://www.bravewords.com/news/153967


I am offended by this ruling. I, however, can tough it out!

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 15th, 2011 at 9:54am
only in Canada eh?....why don't they ban that Elton song??..."Don't Let Your Son Go Down On Me"???

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by paul on Jan 15th, 2011 at 2:34pm
Eltons just a big tart.

Having said that, i'm sure the kid will be fine as long as he remember all the nannies names.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 15th, 2011 at 4:01pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13th, 2011 at 11:29am:
NEWS
DIRE STRAITS - 'Money For Nothing' Banned In Canada
Rock Hard
Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 09:02:10 EST

According to Spectator Wire Services, the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has ruled that DIRE STRAITS’ 1980s hit 'Money For Nothing' (which features THE POLICE's Sting on background vocals) is too offensive for Canadian radio.

The ruling, released Wednesday, was in response to a complaint against St. John’s radio station CHOZ-FM. The listener complained that the word faggot – which appears three times in the song is “extremely offensive” to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

The council is an independent body created by Canadian radio and television broadcasters to review the standards of their content.

The award-winning song was the first single off of Dire Straits’ album Brothers in Arms and has been an international music staple for 25 years.

The council ruled that the song contravenes its ethics code which states: “broadcasters shall ensure that their programming contains no abusive or unduly discriminatory material or comment which is based on matters of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status or physical or mental disability.”

It ruled that “faggot,” when used to describe a homosexual, is “even if entirely or marginally acceptable in earlier days, is no longer so.”

Offending Lyrics from Money for Nothing, by Dire Straits:

The little faggot with the earring and the makeup

Yeah, buddy, that’s his own hair

That little faggot’s got his own jet airplane

That little faggot, he’s a millionaire
http://www.bravewords.com/news/153967



It's a shame when your freedom of speech gets taken ain't it...

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Some Guy on Jan 16th, 2011 at 6:30pm
I think I saw him this week in Buckhead.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 3:31pm
Elton John Gives Billy Joel 'Tough Love' in New Rolling Stone Cover Story
Singer criticizes Billy Joel, explains his decision to play Rush Limbaugh's wedding and more
Photograph by Mark Seliger for RollingStone.com
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By Andy Greene
February 2, 2011 8:30 AM EDT

See video from John's cover shoot below.


In the new issue of Rolling Stone – on stands and in the digital archives Friday (subscription required) – Elton John reflects on his 40-year career. Just days after the birth of his son Zachary, John speaks about the joys of fatherhood, his enduring relationship with lyricist Bernie Taupin, how he's mentored Eminem through difficult times – and his true feelings about his longtime friend and tourmate Billy Joel.

Rolling Stone's 1976 Cover Story: Elton John: Lonely at the Top

"At the end of the day, he's coasting," John tells Scaggs."I always say, 'Billy, can't you write another song?' It's either fear or laziness. It upsets me. Billy's a conundrum. We've had so many cancelled tours because of illnesses and various other things, alcoholism."

The 100 Greatest Artists of All Time: Elton John

He goes on to criticize Joel's past attempts to stop drinking. "He's going to hate me for this, but every time he goes to rehab they've been light," John says. "When I went to rehab, I had to clean the floors. He goes to rehab where they have TVs. I love you, Billy, and this is tough love. Billy, you have your demons and you're not going to get rid of them at rehab light. You've got to be serious. People adore you, they love you and respect you. You should be able to do something better than what you're doing now."

The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time: Elton John's Elton John

Other highlights from the piece:

- John explains his controversial decision to play Rush Limbaugh's wedding. "I could not believe when I was asked to play," he says. "I thought it was a joke. I had dialogue with him before and he said, 'I'm not anti-gay, I want you to come, bring David.' My goal is for Rush to say, 'I support civil partnerships,' and if I rang him right now, I think he might agree. He was one of the first people to congratulate us on the baby."

Photos: Elton John's Outfits Through the Years

- He regularly speaks to Eminem on the phone. "We call each other cunts," John says. "He's worked really hard at sobriety and it's changed him so much. He's also got a great sense of humor. When David and I had our civil partnership, he sent us a present. In a case, on velvet cushions, were two diamond cock rings. So there's a homophobe for you [laughs]."

The 100 Greatest Singers of All Time: Elton John

- Lady Gaga is one of his favorite new artists. "I've heard her new album," John says. "It's amazing. The first single, 'Born This Way,' is the anthem that's going to obliterate 'I Will Survive.' I can't think of how huge it's going to be."

More From the Cover Story: Elton John on Playing With Kanye, Hanging With Dylan and Filling His Baby's iPod
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/elton-john-gives-billy-joel-tough-love-in-new-rolling-stone-cover-story-20110202

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Bitch on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 4:57pm
It doesnt bother me that Elton and his partner are gay, I just think he's too damn old to be raising a child, and his motivation is to have a child as a posession for his amusement and personal gratification. That's just wrong.  

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Bitch on Feb 7th, 2011 at 9:54pm
As it turns out, I got free tickets to see Elton and Leon Russell on The Late Show with Dave Letterman in 2 days Feb. 9. Maybe he'll talk about the baby.
:willya

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Edith Grove on Feb 8th, 2011 at 4:44am

Bitch wrote on Feb 7th, 2011 at 9:54pm:
As it turns out, I got free tickets to see Elton and Leon Russell on The Late Show with Dave Letterman in 2 days Feb. 9. Maybe he'll talk about the baby.
:willya


Does Letterman still pick someone out of the audience to BS with for a couple of minutes?

Try and sit close to the aisle!  :areyoufuckingserious


Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by BONOISLOVE on Feb 8th, 2011 at 10:33am

:wow

Mckellen Wants Gay Sex Scene
                                                           

British actor SIR IAN MCKELLEN complained on the set of upcoming sequel X-MEN: THE LAST STAND, because he wanted his character MAGNETO to have some gay sex scenes. THE LORD OF THE RINGS star, who has been openly gay since 1988, insists a homoerotic sub-plot would have enhanced the movie. MCKellen tells Empire magazine, "He hasn't been given a love line, which I think is a pity. It would be wonderful if the camera hovered over Magneto's bed, to discover him making love to Professor X." However, MCKellen admits he needed camera trickery to help him match Magneto's muscular physique. He adds, "I'd like to see him at the gym, because in the comics he has the most amazing body. I'm the slimline version of Magneto, but of course, these days you could morph my body into something really fantastic."

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by paul on Feb 8th, 2011 at 12:14pm

Bitch wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 4:57pm:
, and his motivation is to have a child as a posession for his amusement and personal gratification. That's just wrong.  


A bit presumptious. How does anyone know another persons motivation for having children.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Bitch on Feb 8th, 2011 at 9:39pm

paul wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 12:14pm:

Bitch wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 4:57pm:
, and his motivation is to have a child as a posession for his amusement and personal gratification. That's just wrong.  


A bit presumptious. How does anyone know another persons motivation for having children.


Maybe true, but actually arent everyones reasons for having kids for personal gratification? What other reason is there?  To re-populate the planet?

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Feb 10th, 2011 at 3:50pm

Elton John Reveals That Billy Joel Now 'Hates' Him

When Elton John's comments about Billy Joel's alcoholism came out in Rolling Stone's most recent cover story, Joel publicly claimed to be unbothered by them. "I've enjoyed our relationship too much to let something as random as these comments change my affection for him," Joel said in a statement. "Elton is just being Elton."

Elton John Gives Billy Joel 'Tough Love' In New Rolling Stone Cover Story

This morning on the Today Show, however, John revealed that privately Joel is furious. "He hates me at the moment," John said. "He sent me a message and he's not happy. I understand that. I'm sorry I had to say it, but I'm saying it because I really want Billy to live a long life and be very happy. That's all it came from.  I understand why he's mad at me. I'm only trying to help. Maybe I should have done it privately, but I've been so frustrated over the years."

In Rolling Stone's story, John tells writer Austin Scaggs, "He's going to hate me for this, but every time he goes to rehab they've been light. When I went to rehab, I had to clean the floors. He goes to rehab where they have TVs. I love you, Billy, and this is tough love. Billy, you have your demons and you're not going to get rid of them at rehab light. You've got to be serious. People adore you, they love you and respect you. You should be able to do something better than what you're doing now."
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/rolling-stone-video-blog/elton-john-reveals-that-billy-joel-now-hates-him-20110210

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Bitch on Feb 10th, 2011 at 9:37pm
I LOVED Elton John, and it's clear that he is the mother role. He was trying to adopt for a few years but couldnt get a child easily due to his age and other red tape. Thats when he decided to do a surrogate. I wish Dave would of asked him whos wad it was and who donated the egg. I guess that info is being kept secret for now. The birth mother isnt in the picture, they have a nanny. Drop off the baby and cash the check. Women who become surrogates are extraordinary, give birth and let the child go.

Leon Russell is a relic. He can barely walk on stage, but once he sat down at the piano he was in his element, Elton was fabulous singing and playing a duet.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Feb 10th, 2011 at 10:24pm
All I know is I'm going to see Elton next week. Have'nt seen him in many years and I hope he puts on a kick ass show. :willya

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Love Child on Feb 11th, 2011 at 7:11pm

Quote:
Women who become surrogates are extraordinary, give birth and let the child go.  


I don't call that extraordinary. I call it aberrant. This is not natural behavior by any stretch of the imagination and I hope to God it is never considered to be something that is acceptable to any mother. Carrying a child and giving birth is the most sacred and holy of human experiences and it should never be irreparably tainted by the utter selfishness and self-entitlement of people like Elton john.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Feb 11th, 2011 at 9:23pm

Love Child wrote on Feb 11th, 2011 at 7:11pm:

Quote:
Women who become surrogates are extraordinary, give birth and let the child go.  


I don't call that extraordinary. I call it aberrant. This is not natural behavior by any stretch of the imagination and I hope to God it is never considered to be something that is acceptable to any mother. Carrying a child and giving birth is the most sacred and holy of human experiences and it should never be irreparably tainted by the utter selfishness and self-entitlement of people like Elton john.

So a woman who becomes pregnant but doesn't want the child should keep it anyway. Because she is the birth mother? Keeping an unloved baby is better than giving it to someone who will love it? Because Elton John is not physically capable of having a baby means he is not emotionally capable of loving it?

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Love Child on Feb 11th, 2011 at 11:46pm
Are you adopted?

Have you given birth?

Do you want me to put it so politically incorrect and bluntly?

Elton John bought a child.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Feb 12th, 2011 at 11:04am

Love Child wrote on Feb 11th, 2011 at 11:46pm:
Are you adopted?

Have you given birth?

Do you want me to put it so politically incorrect and bluntly?

Elton John bought a child.

So have Madonna and Angelina Jolie. By your definition,the father of a baby can't love his child because it didn't come out of him.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Heart Of Stone on Feb 12th, 2011 at 12:27pm
Whatever the situation, Elton John's baby is going to be loved I'm sure, he will sure be better of then most babies financially, I'm not really for same sex couples adopting babies, but that's just me, I'm old fashioned.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by Bitch on Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:16pm

Love Child wrote on Feb 11th, 2011 at 7:11pm:

Quote:
Women who become surrogates are extraordinary, give birth and let the child go.  


I don't call that extraordinary. I call it aberrant. This is not natural behavior by any stretch of the imagination and I hope to God it is never considered to be something that is acceptable to any mother. Carrying a child and giving birth is the most sacred and holy of human experiences and it should never be irreparably tainted by the utter selfishness and self-entitlement of people like Elton john.



OK maybe I stated that wrong. What I meant was to carry a child, give birth, and be able to give the child away is extraordinary. Its not easy, there is a physical and an emotional connection. To sever that tie takes an extraordinarily strong person. I know some people do it for the money. Others do it to bring joy into someone elses life, still accepting money. So how much is a life worth?

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by paul on Feb 15th, 2011 at 2:33pm

Bitch wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 9:39pm:

paul wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 12:14pm:

Bitch wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 4:57pm:
, and his motivation is to have a child as a posession for his amusement and personal gratification. That's just wrong.  


A bit presumptious. How does anyone know another persons motivation for having children.


Maybe true, but actually arent everyones reasons for having kids for personal gratification? What other reason is there?  To re-populate the planet?


Yes.

Title: Re: Elton John.
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Feb 15th, 2011 at 3:41pm

paul wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

Bitch wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 9:39pm:

paul wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 12:14pm:

Bitch wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 4:57pm:
, and his motivation is to have a child as a posession for his amusement and personal gratification. That's just wrong.  


A bit presumptious. How does anyone know another persons motivation for having children.


Maybe true, but actually arent everyones reasons for having kids for personal gratification? What other reason is there?  To re-populate the planet?


Yes.

Well in that case they can stop for a while. I think we're pretty well populated at this point.

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