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Title: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 2:45pm

I know this isn't worth bitching about, but I am anyway. And because I can't think of any other place to bitch about something like this because no one else gives a shit, I'll do it here.
Did anyone watch the VH1 Greatest Artists of all Time?
I get most of the choices and I know its all subjective and I realize that the "voters" tend to be younger artists etc...
But Led Zep before the Stones? I say this as a Zep fan, as someone who, when I was first learning the guitar, would get the biggest thrill as I figured out Over the Hills and Far Away or Going to California...
I say this with the utmost respect to Led Zeppelin.
But before the Stones in a list of the greatest artists of all time?
I would even question their place in the top 10 before The Who.
Am I just a crazy Stones fan who exxagerates their greatness or is this a legtimate gripe.
How can you compare the deversity of the Stones and their cultural impact with that of Led Zep.
Then again, how can you place Madonna before Aretha or Elton John before Johnny Cash or Queen before the Clash in terms of historical context?
I know Madonna is an icon and I think she's great, but her impact coincided with the 80s and that whole persona thing. I just don't listen to Aretha and think, 'She's good, but Madonna is better...'

Any gripes?

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Holden on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 2:51pm

I saw that. Overall I thought the list was relatively fair. I figured Zep would be before the Stones, but also thought that Van Halen would be higher than the Stones as well. I think they were higher than the Stones simply because their genius is very much in your face, while the Stones are more subtle and cared more about producing great songs instead of showing off their skills. Zeppelin also had the advantage of giving it up during their prime.

I WAS pissed off when they were only at number 60 on their list of the 100 Greatest Hard Rock Bands.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:01pm

How can you say that Holden? The Stones encompassed not only blues, country, reggae, as did Zep, but R&B, funk, punk and its not just about longevity, but cultural impact. Zep was a hard rock act who happened to be versatile, but the Stones were a cultural phenomenon. I would have put the top three as Stones, Dylan and Beatles with the Beatles being number 1.
Oh well, I just noticed that Buddy Holly was'nt on the list, so it suddenly makes sense. We could all argue about these lists, but there are some truths. ELvis, Dylan etc....
And what about Journey in the top 90s?

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:08pm

I think it has to do with historical perspective. I always have a problem with putting groups like the Velvet Underground and Nirvana or Radiohead so high on a list like this because those bands influenced a certain genre, tapped into a particular movement. Artists like the Who, Stones, Dylan, Beatles, Aretha, Stevie, Sly, Beach Boys changed music. there is a difference.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Ginda on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:10pm

texile, I keep my blood pressure low by not even looking at these various lists. Has nothing to do with reality (mine at least) and serves only to upset. Look away, dearie. Look away.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by gimmekeef on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:17pm

Fuck I've been pissed off at lists since 1965 when Downtown by Petula Clark beat out Satisfaction as #1 in a stupid Toronto CHUM radio poll. Booze pills and powders and 45 years have taken some of my edge off though!

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:27pm

gimmekeef wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:17pm:

That's funny, but I love Downtown! I knew that song before I knew the Stones.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:29pm

Ginda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:10pm:

texile, I keep my blood pressure low by not even looking at these various lists. Has nothing to do with reality (mine at least) and serves only to upset. Look away, dearie. Look away.

I know, but I can't help it...lol
It's crap and I have to make someone understand.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by SendIt2Me on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 4:18pm

texile wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:01pm:

Beatles before the Stones? You must be high? :weed

:paristhong
:wtf1

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 5:14pm

LadyJane wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 4:47pm:

I watched most of it and enjoyed it, especially the little interviews. Ozzy was quite coherent.
Stones and Beatles should have been 1 and 2 and I think ya'll know who gets MY vote for number 1.

I almost threw up when LZ was ahead of the Stones. Dylan or Elvis but NOT LZ. :forfucksake

LJ.

That's my point, Elvis should have been higher the list, but below Zep? I would say that the top five made sense except for Zep.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Joey on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 5:48pm

" I think it has to do with historical perspective. I always have a problem with putting groups like the Velvet Underground and Nirvana or Radiohead so high on a list like this because those bands influenced a certain genre, tapped into a particular movement. Artists like the Who, Stones, Dylan, Beatles, Aretha, Stevie, Sly, Beach Boys changed music. there is a difference. "

A - FRIGGIN - MEN !!!!!!!!

The Who clocked in at Number # 13 -- Rubbish !!!!!!!

.... and Michael Jackson BEFORE the Stones ? *** WTF ?! ***

Here is Joey' s ranking :

5. Bob Dylan
4. Elvis
3. The Who
1. Beatles / Stones ( Tie )

'kins

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Holden on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 6:33pm

texile wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:01pm:

I didn't say I agreed with the list, just that I figured Zeppelin would be higher than the Stones.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Some Guy on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 8:40am

I've got a Led Zepplin dvd- simply titled Led Zepplin DVD. Disc 2 from 72 and 73 is amazing. The sound is so much louder than other concerts I own.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by 2000monkey on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:16am

texile wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:08pm:

What a silly idea. You can't overrate the the VU. They are as influential as anyone. Probably Radiohead and Nirvana as well.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Zack on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:44am

Listen to Truth by the Jeff Beck Group and listen to the first Zeppelin album. Then listen to THIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

Then you'll really be disgusted. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 1:46pm

2000monkey wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:16am:

texile wrote on Sep 13^th, 2010 at 3:08pm:

What a silly idea. You can't overrate the the VU. They are as influential as anyone. Probably Radiohead and Nirvana as well.

I don't deny thier greatness or innovation, but I think most people in general can go through life without ever hearing a VU, Nirvana or Radiohead song. They influenced who listened to them. Whereas, the biggies impacted our culture.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 2:27pm

texile wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 1:46pm:

I'll definitely agree with you about the Velvet Underground, but Radiohead? They had huge commercial success in the UK during the mid-1990's. They were indeed popular amongst the altenative crowd, but their singles sold very well and got plenty of airplay.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Ginda on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:02pm

Zack wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:44am:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-0Ze_fBk5UzYMIfrkc_MX4WVvLilxhiHs-qVVNqD5PlFoXxs&t=1&usg=__K7n5YPn5ju99Z_r0twN5RnihKpA=

No doubt about it.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by SoulPlunderer on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:27pm

Ah, it's all right. Dint get worked up by any of this rubbish. Wacko Jacko is only that high up cause he's dead. And there was a releatively recent MTV show for best rock band ever which the Stones came first I with Zepplin second. The Stones, while well respected, must be one of the most underrated bands who are big stars! People analyse the Beatles and Zepplin but the Stones get overlooked. The only Stones songs you ever get on the radio are Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash and Start Me Up whereas you get a huge range of Beatles stuff!

The most ridiculous list I've ever seen was for top frontman in Q magazine.
3rd was Bono, ok fair enough
2nd was Freddie Mercury, yeah, that makes sense to me,
so number one must be. Surely it is? It has to be! Liam fucking Gallagher! Well....
And where was the true greatest? Oh yeah, Sir Michael Phillip Jagger languishes in 13th place behind Matt Bellamy, singer of a band who no one could name a song by, Chris Martin of Coldplay, it's hardly rock n roll and Robbie fucking Williams! Robbie Williams better than Mick? Sometimes you wonder whether they're just taking the piss for these shitty lists.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by uncleson on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 4:55pm

Here is Uncleson's ranking :

5. Chuck Berry / Buddy Holly (tie)
4. Bob Dylan
3. The Who
1. Beatles / Stones ( Tie )

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Joey on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 5:52pm

" Here is Uncleson's ranking :

5. Chuck Berry / Buddy Holly (tie)
4. Bob Dylan
3. The Who
1. Beatles / Stones ( Tie )

Full Frontal Nuzzle coming your way Uncleson !

FULL FRONTAL !!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by gimmekeef on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 6:01pm

Wow....using backup nicks to make your point?......lol...keep rocking Stones kin....

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Bitch on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 7:13pm

These lists are just matters of opinion, and it becomes a popularity contest. Nothing to get upset about, we know the STONES rule so fvck eveybody elses lists, they mean shit!

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 7:27pm

[quote author=SoulPlunderer link=1284407111/0#18 date=1284496071]Ah, it's all right. Dint get worked up by any of this rubbish. Wacko Jacko is only that high up cause he's dead. And there was a releatively recent MTV show for best rock band ever which the Stones came first I with Zepplin second. The Stones, while well respected, must be one of the most underrated bands who are big stars! People analyse the Beatles and Zepplin but the Stones get overlooked. quote]

I'll give kudos to M. Jackson, he is an icon and brilliant performer/artist.
But right you are about the Stones and this fact always perplexed me. Its like people only hear Jumping Jack Flash, Honky Tonk Women etc...
As great as those songs are, the Stones are so much more than that. Its one of the all-time parodoxes of Rock and Roll: while they are mainstream popular and some would say overexposed, they remain largely underrated in terms of their artistry. It makes no sense to me. I think sometimes the image, the sex, drugs, the glitz of the old days and now the more corporate Stones personas - overshadows their art. They remain an aquired taste for more discriminating music fans. Whereas, bands like Zep are more accessable to your average rock fan.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Bitch on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 7:33pm

Yes Stones fans are way ABOVE average!

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Soldatti on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:40pm

"VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of All Time" List:

TOP 5, IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER
1. Beatles
2. Bob Dylan
3. Michael Jackson
4. Led Zeppelin
5. Rolling Stones

NUMBER 6 – 100, RANKED
6. Jimi Hendrix
7. Prince
8. Elvis Presley
9. James Brown
10. Stevie Wonder
11. Bob Marley
12. David Bowie
13. The Who
14. Nirvana
15. The Beach Boys
16. Madonna
17. Queen
18. Pink Floyd
19. U2
20. Marvin Gaye
21. Bruce Springsteen
22. The Clash
23. AC/DC
24. The Velvet Underground
25. Chuck Berry
26. Neil Young
27. Aretha Franklin
28. Elton John
29. Radiohead
30. Aerosmith
31. John Lennon
32. Black Sabbath
33. Guns N' Roses
34. Tina Turner
35. Johnny Cash
36. Paul McCartney
37. Fleetwood Mac
38. Sly & The Family Stone
39. The Kinks
40. The Police
41. Van Halen
42. Metallica
43. Ray Charles
44. Joni Mitchell
45. Al Green
46. Ramones
47. Jay-Z
48. Rage Against The Machine
49. Parliament-Funkadelic
50. Sade
51. Billy Joel
52. Beyonce
53. Little Richard
54. Public Enemy
55. Peter Gabriel
56. KISS
57. Iggy & The Stooges
58. Cheap Trick
59. Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
60. Whitney Houston
61. Cream
62. Genesis
63. Notorious B.I.G.
64. Talking Heads
65. The Doors
66. Justin Timberlake
67. Coldplay
68. Otis Redding
69. Tupac Shakur
70. Def Leppard
71. R.E.M.
72. Janis Joplin
73. Van Morrison
74. The Cure
75. Rush
76. Run-D.M.C.
77. Lynyrd Skynyrd
78. Judas Priest
79. Eminem
80. Mary J. Blige
81. ABBA
82. Steely Dan
83. Earth, Wind and Fire
84. Curtis Mayfield
85. The Band
86. N.W.A.
87. George Michael
88. Bee Gees
89. Beastie Boys
90. Elvis Costello
91. Green Day
92. LL Cool J
93. Pearl Jam
94. Mariah Carey
95. OutKast
96. Journey
97. Pretenders
98. Depeche Mode
99. Hall & Oates
100. Alicia Keys

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Ian Billen on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 11:32pm

ALPHABETICALLY LISTED:

**The top five artists of all time are listed in ALPHABETICAL ORDER. Their ranking in the top five has no bearing on their actual placement in the top five. There is no placement. There is no ranking within this subset. It is just simply ...the top five. VH1 listed these five in alphabetical order.

However 6-100 ARE ranked accordingly.

Whew ... we can all rest at ease now. I was pretty darn upset until I researched it a bit.

Ian

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Some Guy on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 3:47am

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 11:32pm:

good job, Ian.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Holden on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:24am

Zack wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:44am:

Listen to stairway then listen to this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjq6KOL6_4Y

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:21am

Holden wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:24am:

Zack wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:44am:

Listen to stairway then listen to this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjq6KOL6_4Y

Old news.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by the soft parade on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 5:20pm

i was surprised that Elvis wasn't anywhere in the top five... and I hate Elvis' music! I thought he should have been number two. And I'm also a huge Michael Jackson fan but I think it's kind of disgusting that he would have been maybe in the top five if he weren't dead. Why did he have to die to get this sort of recognition?? Oh well. We all know that the Stones will always be better than Zeppelin!!

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by gimmekeef on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 5:29pm

Looking at the list imagine the bitching going on at Pink Floyd and U2 blogs. Beach Boys ahead of them?..pluuuueezze.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by texile on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:10pm

gimmekeef wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 5:29pm:

Looking at the list imagine the bitching going on at Pink Floyd and U2 blogs. Beach Boys ahead of them?..pluuuueezze.

lol...
True.
But they're deluded, we're Stones fans and our gripes are legitimate.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Zack on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 12:59am

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:21am:

Holden wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:24am:

Zack wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:44am:

Listen to stairway then listen to this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjq6KOL6_4Y

Old news.

The Spririt ripoff is bad, but Dazed and Confused is worse. Melody, lyrics, even the breakdown in the middle. :forfucksake

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by steel driving hammer on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 10:19am

What matters is what's on YER list...

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 10:50am

Zack wrote on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 12:59am:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:21am:

Holden wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:24am:

Zack wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:44am:

Listen to stairway then listen to this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjq6KOL6_4Y

Old news.

The Spririt ripoff is bad, but Dazed and Confused is worse. Melody, lyrics, even the breakdown in the middle. :forfucksake

Yet exactly how many times has Zep been sued?

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Heart Of Stone on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 9:06am

I just heard "Traveling Riverside Blues" by Robert Johnson, there's a line that goes "Squeeze My Lemon, until the juice runs down my leg" familiar? & this was recorded in the 30's, Zep can't even keep their lyrics original.

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Holden on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:33pm

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 10:50am:

Zack wrote on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 12:59am:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:21am:

Holden wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:24am:

Zack wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:44am:

Listen to stairway then listen to this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjq6KOL6_4Y

Old news.

The Spririt ripoff is bad, but Dazed and Confused is worse. Melody, lyrics, even the breakdown in the middle. :forfucksake

Yet exactly how many times has Zep been sued?

Oh don't worry. They got theirs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFJQAfW_jgw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoF4Dsd1uRU

Title: Re: VH1 list: Led Zep before the Stones?
Post by Heart Of Stone on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 6:49am

Led Zep Discuss Reunion.
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/led-zep-reunion-1001/