Well here it is ...The Stones have a brand new record contract ( ...and yes they have stated they would like to continue recording....), rumors and talk of a tour next year and into 2012 are getting thicker and things look very promising for that.

If this is so it's my guess they starting writing together by now. Why? They (Mick and Keith) always would of started writing together by now if they are due to have an album out next year that's why. I have no clue of this but Mick and Keith would of easily started together by now "if" they are planning on releasing an album the following year. This time would be no different I'm sure.


Just kind of interesting to note that they may be writing new stuff for a brand new album right now is all.


Ian

Elementary, my dear Ian.

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This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk.

They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations.

They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other.

It's not rocket science.

And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore.

They'll put together a few songs as a new album. Then they'll go on the road and say its written to be 'performed live' or something. They'll do 3 or 4 songs from it per show at first, which will be down to a couple by Christmas.

I'll only be seeing them on the European leg anyway, by which stage it'll be down to one. Or even less as was the case at some shows in the second half of the last tour.

If the Stones could get away with not putting out a new record to herald a new tour, they'd do it. The odd thing is that most people in the sort of audience they've aimed themselves at the 21st century dont care about new songs and the band dont have enough self belief in the material to perform much of it. Unlike, say. '78 when they literally confronted an audience by filling half a show with previously unplayed material and rammed it down their throats. It did no harm. It was the most successful album of their career and the fans came back in their millions next time three years later making it their biggest tour to date at that point (and the new album they toured behind continued the commercial success of 'Some Girls' and even outstripped it)

The only real logic in putting out a new record is to pay lip service to critics by trying to convince them that they're a current band - the same critics who would slaughter them for being a nostalgia act trapped in a timewarp for ONLY playing old material, but who would also criticise them for playing new material that hardly anyone cares about. If they were really honest, the Stones could and should have renamed the last tour "Licks Part 2". Realistically, its reasonable to expect the next one to effectively be 'Licks Part 3'. It'll coincide with the band's golden anniversary and as a result nostalgia will be very much in vogue whether the Stones want it to be or not. Nostalgia is a very profitable and comfortable old horse, so you can bet they'll gladly saddle up and ride it.  It wont require much effort.

Gazza wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:47am:

They'll put together a few songs as a new album. Then they'll go on the road and say its written to be 'performed live' or something. They'll do 3 or 4 songs from it per show at first, which will be down to a couple by Christmas. I'll only be seeing them on the European leg anyway, by which stage it'll be down to one. Or even less as was the case at some shows in the second half of the last tour. If the Stones could get away with not putting out a new record to herald a new tour, they'd do it. The odd thing is that most people in the sort of audience they've aimed themselves at the 21st century dont care about new songs and the band dont have enough self belief in the material to perform much of it. Unlike, say. '78 when they literally confronted an audience by filling half a show with previously unplayed material and rammed it down their throats. It did no harm. It was the most successful album of their career and the fans came back in their millions next time three years later making it their biggest tour to date at that point (and the new album they toured behind continued the commercial success of 'Some Girls' and even outstripped it) The only real logic in putting out a new record is to pay lip service to critics by trying to convince them that they're a current band - the same critics who would slaughter them for being a nostalgia act trapped in a timewarp for ONLY playing old material, but who would also criticise them for playing new material that hardly anyone cares about. If they were really honest, the Stones could and should have renamed the last tour "Licks Part 2". Realistically, its reasonable to expect the next one to effectively be 'Licks Part 3'. It'll coincide with the band's golden anniversary and as a result nostalgia will be very much in vogue whether the Stones want it to be or not. Nostalgia is a very profitable and comfortable old horse, so you can bet they'll gladly saddle up and ride it.  It wont require much effort.

Which is all the more reason they should have toured behind the Exile re-release.

Installment # 241 of the "they're writing together" series.

Next installment Fall 2010...

Best fucking Ian always.

does anyone have any vicodin?

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Excellent post Gazza. I can't figure out if you want new material or could care less.....
I agree with everything you said and could care less about new material. The Exile re-release proved that people, not just fans, are still fascinated by the Stones' history. Its the "new" stuff people lose interest in, with Plundered My Soul an exception, but that is an exceptional case. I'm fine with nostalgia at this point. I don't know if I've lost my adolescent crush where I need new stuff from the Stones or if I'm just getting old or whatever. I've got Some GIrls in my car stereo and that's all I need right now. Listening to SG and coming off the heels of an Exile re-discovery, I just can't imagine the Stones, at this point, ever surpassing thier best years.
I guess I'm just cynical.

No one has written a song in the last 20 years that has stayed with me longer than a few days. So what makes me think the Stones ever will again? There'll never be another glory run like 68-73 ....cause it's all over now.......

Couldn't agree more with Gazza. Apart from the fact that they have grown further and further apart as friends since probably the end of Some Girls, one of the things that killed their songwriting is the fact that they no longer live in the same city. It's important because, as Bill Wyman has mentioned before, outside the Stones, Mick and Keith don't do much. A solo album every 5-10 years is not very productive and neither is producing films here and there. Consequently, my guess is that, bar their mutual dislike for each other, they would write more together if they lived in the same place because they just don't do much outside of that. However, they socialize in different circles, have few common friends outside the Stones, and don't fail to slag each other off when possible (mainly starting with Keith). The only thing is that if they lived near each other, others might push them to do things but Mick has said he hardly ever goes to Connecticut and Keith visits England maybe twice a year. And even then, I doubt that he ever sees Mick. If they had the courage to truly write great songs that they are still capable of and truly tour behind those songs, things might be different, but when you are given millions of dollars to continue living the super comfortable life they enjoy, the motivation is minimal. That's why it's hilarious when Keith slags Mick off for selling out, when in fact, he's just as guilty but hides behind his media persona.

Life is about growing up and your interests change and relationships change why would you all want to deny these guys their right to be human and do the same as us?

Gazza wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 6:30am:

This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk. They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations. They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other. It's not rocket science. And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore.

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Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying.

My guess is this time is no different.


Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am: This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk. They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations. They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other. It's not rocket science. And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore. ___________________________________________________ Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying. My guess is this time is no different. Ian

..and I'm 'guessing' you're wrong.

And how do you write songs with someone you see for a couple of hours a year, who lives on another continent for 11 months of the year and who doesnt even use a phone, let alone the internet?

They cant even agree publicly on whether Mick Taylor played on the Exile bonus songs for goodness sake. Thats how joined at the hip they are.

Maybe they're collaborating by fax. As we type.

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 9:28am:

Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 7:47am: They'll put together a few songs as a new album. Then they'll go on the road and say its written to be 'performed live' or something. They'll do 3 or 4 songs from it per show at first, which will be down to a couple by Christmas. I'll only be seeing them on the European leg anyway, by which stage it'll be down to one. Or even less as was the case at some shows in the second half of the last tour. If the Stones could get away with not putting out a new record to herald a new tour, they'd do it. The odd thing is that most people in the sort of audience they've aimed themselves at the 21st century dont care about new songs and the band dont have enough self belief in the material to perform much of it. Unlike, say. '78 when they literally confronted an audience by filling half a show with previously unplayed material and rammed it down their throats. It did no harm. It was the most successful album of their career and the fans came back in their millions next time three years later making it their biggest tour to date at that point (and the new album they toured behind continued the commercial success of 'Some Girls' and even outstripped it) The only real logic in putting out a new record is to pay lip service to critics by trying to convince them that they're a current band - the same critics who would slaughter them for being a nostalgia act trapped in a timewarp for ONLY playing old material, but who would also criticise them for playing new material that hardly anyone cares about. If they were really honest, the Stones could and should have renamed the last tour "Licks Part 2". Realistically, its reasonable to expect the next one to effectively be 'Licks Part 3'. It'll coincide with the band's golden anniversary and as a result nostalgia will be very much in vogue whether the Stones want it to be or not. Nostalgia is a very profitable and comfortable old horse, so you can bet they'll gladly saddle up and ride it.  It wont require much effort. Which is all the more reason they should have toured behind the Exile re-release.

Keith had heavier and more important business to attend to. I'll happily acknowledge he had a good excuse.

I'm sure they are capable of phoning each other as at least business associates often do espec since Patti is doing a little better but probably hesitant to go off on the road etc. wouldn't you think?  Plus it seems the muse has left the building is what I have discerned from recent lyrics.  Plus maybe they are still burned out from the last run.  Plus they know we have no money.

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am: This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk. They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations. They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other. It's not rocket science. And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore. ___________________________________________________ Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying. My guess is this time is no different. Ian

Well according to recent reports from IORR. Keith is franticly trying to finish his book and Mick has been spotted fishing in France. Of course we know where Ronnie is and Charlie was recently in Poland. So other than a supposed band meeting in July. It doesn't appear they've been together.

texile wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 12:40pm:

Excellent post Gazza. I can't figure out if you want new material or could care less..... I agree with everything you said and could care less about new material. The Exile re-release proved that people, not just fans, are still fascinated by the Stones' history. Its the "new" stuff people lose interest in, with Plundered My Soul an exception, but that is an exceptional case. I'm fine with nostalgia at this point. I don't know if I've lost my adolescent crush where I need new stuff from the Stones or if I'm just getting old or whatever. I've got Some GIrls in my car stereo and that's all I need right now. Listening to SG and coming off the heels of an Exile re-discovery, I just can't imagine the Stones, at this point, ever surpassing thier best years. I guess I'm just cynical.

I would love new material. I enjoyed the last album. My enthusiasm for it has waned with time, but I still like it a lot. I'll take anything - new material, archives releases - anything but repackaged hits albums and badly edited live releases.  In the long run, I'm more interested in a properly organised, assembled and maintained archives series - but a new record would be preferable in the short term.

However, I realise that its not all about lunatics who have a borderline fundamentalist disorder towards the band's career - lunatics like me, that is.

Plus, I honestly dont think Mick and Keith give a flying fuck about making new Rolling Stones music. Four albums in 25 years speaks volumes - think about it , we're now at a stage where 'Dirty Work' , a record seen by many as a 'latter day' Stones album with the band in disarray, marks the half way point of their career as a band.

We've been fed this 'I'm about to call Mick to see if he wants to work' shite for a couple of years. Can't people get the hint that their hearts really aren't in it and that if they ARE going to put out something to 'justify' (not 'promote') a tour, its more a case of going through the motions to make it look good? They'll record it, put it out, talk it up in the press - and then will largely ignore it when they go on the road.

No 'artist' should make a record they dont believe in. If they're going to make one, then make it a good one - and ram the fucker down every doubter's throats.

Tumbled wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 1:41pm:

I'm sure they are capable of phoning each other as at least business associates often do espec since Patti is doing a little better but probably hesitant to go off on the road etc. wouldn't you think?  Plus it seems the muse has left the building is what I have discerned from recent lyrics.  Plus maybe they are still burned out from the last run.  Plus they know we have no money.

Wise words, indeed, young tumbled.

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year.

http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/3162/127

One way to eliminate the guesswork is by asking Ronnie when you see him at Butler next month.

Installment # 242 will write itself...

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 1:27pm: Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am: This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk. They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations. They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other. It's not rocket science. And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore. ___________________________________________________ Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying. My guess is this time is no different. Ian Well according to recent reports from IORR. Keith is franticl trying to finish his book and Mick has been spotted fishing in Spain. Of course we know where Ronnie is and Charlie was recently in Poland. So other than a supposed band meeting in July. It doesn't appear they've been together.

Isnt it finished? I thought certain posters claimed to have (proof)read it.

If its out in two months, I'd imagine its finished by now.

Unless you mean that the book he's 'frantically trying to finish' is one that he's reading..... ;)

Addicted ()
Date: August 13, 2010 13:39


He's writing the final chapter(s) of his autobiography and it's a bit past deadline... That's busy!
If you've ever set foot in a newspaper room, spoken with a reporter or an author past their deadlines... You know they're busy - because they're NOT speaking to anyone untill the job's done.
I know he didn't have time to hang out with an old pal when in NYC recently, because of all the book-stress.

Interesting.   keef book stress and mick fishing in spain.  oh dear.  

then he has to do the audio after the book is finished.  christ. we may never see either of them again.  

Not to worry.

They can tour behind 'I Feel Like Playing'...

THANK YOU ALL..THIS IS THE BEST THREAD IN A LONG TIME..LONG LIVE ROCKS OFF & IAN BILLEN !

Gazza wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 1:36pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 1:27pm: Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:30am: This isn't 1968 when they lived half a mile apart in Cheyne Walk. They dont write together and with a few exceptions havent done for decades. Despite the bullshit that gets spouted when they bother releasing anything new. They write separately from scratch and then flesh stuff out later on. Thats about the extent of their collaborations. They also live 3,000 miles apart and hardly ever see each other. It's not rocket science. And, according to his wife,  Keith doesnt even have a basement studio in his home anymore. ___________________________________________________ Well "whatever" they do in your opinion ...be it patching up songs each of them wrote or whatever (I am still a believer they DO write together in today's age more than many think). I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. That is what I am saying. By the time scale in the past 25 years they would of already been together working (in whatever way...) on it. This is all I'm saying. My guess is this time is no different. Ian ..and I'm 'guessing' you're wrong. And how do you write songs with someone you see for a couple of hours a year, who lives on another continent for 11 months of the year and who doesnt even use a phone, let alone the internet? They cant even agree publicly on whether Mick Taylor played on the Exile bonus songs for goodness sake. Thats how joined at the hip they are. Maybe they're collaborating by fax. As we type.

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Gazza. We don't have ALL the facts about what they do day in and day out. Charlie and Keith's wife got cancer, went for treatment and operations and we didn't know jack (for one example) for over a year!. In today's age the media lets out what they want when they want is the bottum line.  They were obviously respectful of both Charlie and Keith.

For example : Many didn't think they could of written or recorded much about the time of the press conference for A Bigger Bang came along and Mick stated at the press conference it was already 85% finished. Looking back at the session listings for the recordings of that album it appears he was pretty dead on at that point...

Every time we go through this. They gotta sit down and work together sooner or later Gazz. That's the fact of the matter. Folks can spin it and say well Mick wrote most of this or they didn't collaborate much on that but the fact of the matter is they have to get together sooner or later to do something as they always have as they are planning on continuing as always by what the band members stated and the new record contract. They are in the same band you know... What I am saying is by now .... they would of already got together at a location and started working on the material. I'm sure this time is not that much different as far as a time scale is concerned. Not saying it is an even 50-50 split in creativity. I'm simply saying they are easily due by now to be working together some where if they are to have an album out by next summer/fall.

Why is it every time it is opinion around here that isn't going to happen???

Still lost on this one. If they are to release an album next year by late fall there will be reports they got together somewhere and been working on an album for a little while already(if life doesn't get in the way again).

Still wondering why nobody thinks they are, or ever will get together and work on material?? Remember they have a brand new record contract with new recording mentioned ...

Gazz I don't know why yourself and some others think the notion of them getting together is so odd. Keith was even staying at Micks house last time they did an album at this time of year. Sure in their off time they barely see each other but when they work on a project they do get together and work on it man... it's fact. You state they may get together and write a "few" songs. Not for anything but the last album they released is the second longest Rolling Stones album to date. What are there? 18 songs on it or something?


Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 3:00pm:

In today's age the media lets out what they want when they want is the bottum line.

Nonsense. The tabloid credo is publish first and retract (if needed) later.

The days of the media respectfully holding things back was buried along with Babe Ruth...

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left shoe shuffle wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 2:35pm:

Not to worry. They can tour behind 'I Feel Like Playing'...

:booze to this.

I pray to get to see the Stones in 11 and 12. Got a good bit of cash stashed away for tickets as well.

AND A TEN STRIP WITH THE TONGUE AS THE PRINT HIDDEN IN THE FREEZER!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wtf1

:paristhong

>Gazza. We don't have ALL the facts about what they do day in and day out. Charlie and Keith's wife got cancer, went for treatment and operations and we didn't know jack (for one example) for over a year!.

Not true. Charlie's cancer story was announced at the end of August 2004. He had been diagnosed a few weeks earlier and when the story leaked he was photographed attending radiotherapy

>In today's age the media lets out what they want when they want is the bottum line.  They were obviously respectful of both Charlie and Keith.

Utter nonsense. They didnt know about Keiths wife because she chose to keep it quiet until it suited her and none of the people around her leaked it. With Charlie, it was a newspaper revelation that he was having treatment. You'll usually find that when a paper has an exclusive, they'll present their info to the person concerned, and there'll usually be some kind of 'damage limitation' type acknowledgement in order to make it less sensational than the original intent. If you think the British press (in this case the 'Sunday People') have 'respect' for anyone, you're on another planet. This is the same press who told the world that Keith was a borderline vegetable post-Fiji and would probably never play again. These fuckers would run over their grandmother for a headline and for a few extra thousand copies. Only a paedophile has less moral fibre than a tabloid journalist.


>For example : Many didn't think they could of written or recorded much about the time of the press conference for A Bigger Bang came along

Who are these 'many'? It was public knowledge that they had been got together the previous summer and had been working on material by around September-October. There were even press photos showing Mick and Keith in the studio easily available by late 2004.  For example,

http://www.iorr.org/iorr51/p1.jpg

>and Mick stated at the press conference it was already 85% finished. Looking back at the session listings for the recordings of that album it appears he was pretty dead on at that point...

The Bigger Bang press conference was 10 May 2005. The recordings were finished by that point. The album was mixed in June 2005 and was mastered on 28 June 2005. I'm not sure what point youre trying to make here.

>Every time we go through this.

Yep. And every time you make these wild, sweeping generalisations that most people didnt know they were working on a record - maybe like last time, someone will take the trouble of ploughing through the archives to show posts from 2004 indicating that it was public knowledge that the band had got together and were working on songs.

>They gotta sit down and work together sooner or later Gazz. That's the fact of the matter.

I didnt say this wasnt the case. I'm merely saying there's nothing to suggest its been happening of late.

> Folks can spin it and say well Mick wrote most of this or they didn't collaborate much on that but the fact of the matter is they have to get together sooner or later to do something as they always have as they are planning on continuing as always by what the band members stated and the new record contract.

'Do something' is not the same as 'writing together'. You're moving the goalposts here. The 'new record contract' doesnt make any hard demands for a new record. There's a provision for it, but its not like they're contractually obliged to deliver it. What if they broke up before they delivered a new record? Nothing UMG can do about that.

>They are in the same band you know... What I am saying is by now .... they would of already got together at a location and started working on the material.

Ian, they dont write together. Thats probably the case for about 90% of their original material in the last 35-40 years. The credit "Jagger-Richards" means very little. They write separately and then get together and work on arrangements and ideas. They dont NEED to be in the same continent, let alone in the same room, when they start from scratch. This isnt 1964 with Andrew Oldham hovering over them wanting a hit record.

>I'm sure this time is not that much different as far as a time scale is concerned. Not saying it is an even 50-50 split in creativity. I'm simply saying they are easily due by now to be working together some where if they are to have an album out by next summer/fall.

Doesnt have to work that way. It depends how much material they have and how advanced it is. Bridges To Babylon's first demo sessions took place in December 1996. They recorded it in spring 1997 and it was out by September 1997. Steel Wheels - Mick and Keith got together Jan/Feb 1989 - album out by September 1989. With Voodoo Lounge and ABB they started earlier (a full year before the records were released) but they obviusly had more time on their hands and werent working to a tight deadline.

>Why is it every time it is opinion around here that isn't going to happen???

You must be reading a different thread than I am.

>Still lost on this one. If they are to release an album next year by late fall there will be reports they got together somewhere and been working on an album for a little while already(if life doesn't get in the way again).

Yes. The key words are 'will be'. Not 'have been'.

>Still wondering why nobody thinks they are, or ever will get together and work on material?? Remember they have a brand new record contract with new recording mentioned ...

Nobody? Where are you seeing this?

>Gazz I don't know why yourself and some others think the notion of them getting together is so odd. Keith was even staying at Micks house last time they did an album at this time of year.

It was a bit later than this, but thats a fair point. Doesnt mean to say its the normal procedure though.  There was a significant difference though. In 2004, their drummer was getting cancer treatment and their other guitarist was in and out of rehab and barely contributed to the album until the time came to add a few overdubs, most of which he added in a few days in spring 2005.

> Sure in their off time they barely see each other but when they work on a project they do get together and work on it man... it's fact.

I didnt say anything to the contrary. Its a bit hard to make a record if they dont.


>You state they may get together and write a "few" songs. Not for anything but the last album they released is the second longest Rolling Stones album to date. What are there? 18 songs on it or something?

I didnt say that. I said "they'll put together a few songs as a new album".

Alright so where has Mick and Keith been for the past couple weeks? Does anyone have the slightest clue?  

I am not saying that they have been together simply because nobody has seen or heard of them in a few weeks...

What I'm saying is they certainly have been out of the house righty right? I'm sure Mick and Keith left their house for one reason or another... they are not Axl Rose.

Well what did they do? Where are they? My point is this. Not EVERY thing these guys do gets reported.


HERES MY POINT AND IT IS A DAMN VALID ONE:

***If Keith and his family could have his wife go through diagnosis, cancer, an experimental operation, treatment, follow up doctor visits etc. etc. with trips to doctors ...hospital or hospitals ...nurses ...I am sure some family and possibly a few close friends full aware of what is going on for over a year yet we, the public had no clue. Not a clue at all.

I am quite sure a good handfull of people knew right? What about Patty's friends? What about her relatives? What about the pharmacy in which labeled her name on the meds ? What about her walking into the hospital and hospital employees? God forbid man if somethin was wrong with me or one of us and we had to go for treatments, hospital visits, operations, it would be pretty hard to be goin to doctors.. hospitals ...treatments and not see anyone to or fro and have nobody spot me or figure out something is wrong. If would be even harder for them to keep it to themselves. And that is ME!! ...Well these people are celebrities man...! Are you telling me nobody ever said or knew anything? Come now. My point is that all this went down and we had no clue for whatever reason.

All that was going on, surely several people knew... from hospital employees to friends to family etc. etc. for a long long time and how much did we ever know? ....nada

Well I ask ....simply because we have not heard that Keith and Mick have been together does NOT mean they haven't. Look at the above situation that went on for a year and we had no clue. You can say "well that is because everyone kept it hush-hush and they made special arrangements and kept things as private as they could"....

Well what if Mick and Keith wanted to keep things on the down-low ...? I am sure they would. Why would this be any different? Heck, not nearly as many people would need to know as the situation was with Keith's wife and it would be a whole lot easier for a considerably lesser amount of time for them to keep it quiet about Mick and Keith if they chose to go off some place and spend some time writing or working on things.

Does anyone agree? All this talk of "well we haven't seen or heard of anything so certainly they haven't" is BS.

Just because we have not heard of anything does not mean that it has not or is not taking place. We do not know what continent Mick and Keith are on at the moment. We have no idea of their where abouts or what they are doing presently. These guys can take a jet out to somewhere for a few days or a few weeks at any time. Sure some of the things they do or places they go gets reported or covered but we only know a certain portion, not all of their activities.

Just because we have not heard of anything does NOT mean beans boys and girls. I think the above situation with Keith and his wife totally confirms that.

Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 6:39pm:

Alright so where has Mick and Keith been for the past couple weeks? Does anyone have the slightest clue?   I am not saying that they have been together simply because nobody has seen or heard of them in a few weeks... What I'm saying is they certainly have been out of the house righty right? I'm sure Mick and Keith left their house for one reason or another... they are not Axl Rose. Well what did they do? Where are they? My point is this. Not EVERY thing these guys do gets reported. HERES MY POINT AND IT IS A DAMN VALID ONE: ***If Keith and his family could have his wife go through diagnosis, cancer, an experimental operation, treatment, follow up doctor visits etc. etc. with trips to doctors ...hospital or hospitals ...nurses ...I am sure some family and possibly a few close friends full aware of what is going on for over a year yet we, the public had no clue. Not a clue at all.

Jesus H Christ.

They have a reason for not wanting the press to be aware that a band member's wife had a life threatening illness.

They have no reason whatsoever for being quiet if Mick and Keith were spending time together. Its not a front page story, and theres no invasion of privacy issue. No one but a Stones fanatic really gives a shit if they're writing, recording or indulging in mutual masturbation.

::)

FFS man, it's time to quit while you're behind.
Like Secretariat and the field behind...

Of course family and friends knew.

What exactly did her family and friends stand to gain by making an intensely personal and private struggle public?

Seems you're also unfamiliar with doctor/patient confidentiality.
That same confidentiality applies to the hospitals where these doctors, nurses, et al. work.

The risk of a lawsuit was obviously great enough for them not to breach it just so you'd know Keith's whereabouts.

Alright so where has Mick and Keith been for the past couple weeks? Does anyone have the slightest clue?

From someone on IORR who is handling publicty for Keith's book in Norway:
Addicted ()
Date: August 13, 2010 13:39


He's writing the final chapter(s) of his autobiography and it's a bit past deadline... That's busy!
If you've ever set foot in a newspaper room, spoken with a reporter or an author past their deadlines... You know they're busy - because they're NOT speaking to anyone untill the job's done.
I know he didn't have time to hang out with an old pal when in NYC recently, because of all the book-stress.


Mick as I also mentioned earlier in this thread was spotted fishing in France recently. http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1296995
Any other questions Ian? :nanker

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 6:59pm:

Alright so where has Mick and Keith been for the past couple weeks? Does anyone have the slightest clue? From someone on IORR who is handling publicty for Keith's book in Norway: Addicted () Date: August 13, 2010 13:39 He's writing the final chapter(s) of his autobiography and it's a bit past deadline... That's busy! If you've ever set foot in a newspaper room, spoken with a reporter or an author past their deadlines... You know they're busy - because they're NOT speaking to anyone untill the job's done. I know he didn't have time to hang out with an old pal when in NYC recently, because of all the book-stress. Mick as I also mentioned earlier in this thread was spotted in Spain recently. Any other questions Ian? :nanker

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Sweetcharmedlife, what you gave me are "blurbs" from a message board but I will discuss it for arguments sake:

So Keith was in Norway 10 days ago and Mick was in Spain lately..."supposedly". Well what is Mick doing in Spain? When did he get there? How long is he staying? Did he go straight to Spain or did he stop some where eles? Where is he staying in Spain? Who is he in Spain with? Where are the photos?

Where is Keith staying in Norway? From what airport did he leave? When is he due back? Did he take his guitar? Who has he spoken to since he has been in Norway? Is he still there? And Where are the photos? Surely in today's media blitz age and how everything celebs do gets reported as it happens, there has got to be photos of Keith in Norway right? ....well?

I see one paragraph from someone who supposedly knows Keith's where about's a couple weeks ago from a message board and you say Mick was spoted in Spain?? ... that is not much to go on mate.... am I supposed to know everything they are doing based on that? My cousin was in Europe last week. Since then he has returned home and went back to work... I knew nothing of his return.

How they heck can I, or any of us know what Keith and Mick do day in and day out based on a few unconfirmed blurbs on a message board? that is no day by day, week by week confirmed schedule report. My point is this ...even if we knew for a fact all this was true it is not much to go on and it doesn't tell of all their business... Keith was supposedly in New York but didn't meet with Mick. How do we know??? Just because someone says. Well I say he did. It is easy as that. I have no proof. But neither does this person who says he didn't. Now if a rep, or publicist or Keith would say he didn't I would take that to a high degree but even then it may be BS.  Where did Keith eat while in New York? What time did he get up? See my point?

Remember when they signed the new record contract. Surely Mick had to of met with his lawyers and possibly the record execs. Well where did they meet? We did we not know until it was a done deal. When was it official? Where did they sign? Where they all there? In what state or country did the signing occur?

I know I am ranting but I am trying to make a point. We know probably know easily less than 25% of what they do and who they talk to and what their plans are in reality.


Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:18pm:

So Keith was in Norway 10 days ago

Umm, the publicist is in Norway.

Secretariat just lapped you...

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:18pm:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:59pm: Alright so where has Mick and Keith been for the past couple weeks? Does anyone have the slightest clue? From someone on IORR who is handling publicty for Keith's book in Norway: Addicted () Date: August 13, 2010 13:39 He's writing the final chapter(s) of his autobiography and it's a bit past deadline... That's busy! If you've ever set foot in a newspaper room, spoken with a reporter or an author past their deadlines... You know they're busy - because they're NOT speaking to anyone untill the job's done. I know he didn't have time to hang out with an old pal when in NYC recently, because of all the book-stress. Mick as I also mentioned earlier in this thread was spotted in Spain recently. Any other questions Ian? :nanker ______________________________ Sweetcharmedlife, what you gave me are "blurbs" from a message board but I will discuss it for arguments sake: So Keith was in Norway 10 days ago and Mick was in Spain lately..."supposedly". Well what is Mick doing in Spain? When did he get there? How long is he staying? Did he go straight to Spain or did he stop some where eles? Where is he staying in Spain? Who is he in Spain with? Where are the photos? Where is Keith staying in Norway? From what airport did he leave? When is he due back? Did he take his guitar? Who has he spoken to since he has been in Norway? Is he still there? And Where are the photos? Surely in today's media blitz age and how everything celebs do gets reported as it happens, there has got to be photos of Keith in Norway right? ....well? I see one paragraph from someone who supposedly knows Keith's where about's a couple weeks ago from a message board and you say Mick was spoted in Spain?? ... that is not much to go on mate.... am I supposed to know everything they are doing based on that? My cousin was in Europe last week. Since then he has returned home and went back to work... I knew nothing of his return. Ian

The better question is: Where is Bill German when we need him?

texile wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:34pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 7:18pm: sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:59pm: Alright so where has Mick and Keith been for the past couple weeks? Does anyone have the slightest clue? From someone on IORR who is handling publicty for Keith's book in Norway: Addicted () Date: August 13, 2010 13:39 He's writing the final chapter(s) of his autobiography and it's a bit past deadline... That's busy! If you've ever set foot in a newspaper room, spoken with a reporter or an author past their deadlines... You know they're busy - because they're NOT speaking to anyone untill the job's done. I know he didn't have time to hang out with an old pal when in NYC recently, because of all the book-stress. Mick as I also mentioned earlier in this thread was spotted in Spain recently. Any other questions Ian? :nanker ______________________________ Sweetcharmedlife, what you gave me are "blurbs" from a message board but I will discuss it for arguments sake: So Keith was in Norway 10 days ago and Mick was in Spain lately..."supposedly". Well what is Mick doing in Spain? When did he get there? How long is he staying? Did he go straight to Spain or did he stop some where eles? Where is he staying in Spain? Who is he in Spain with? Where are the photos? Where is Keith staying in Norway? From what airport did he leave? When is he due back? Did he take his guitar? Who has he spoken to since he has been in Norway? Is he still there? And Where are the photos? Surely in today's media blitz age and how everything celebs do gets reported as it happens, there has got to be photos of Keith in Norway right? ....well? I see one paragraph from someone who supposedly knows Keith's where about's a couple weeks ago from a message board and you say Mick was spoted in Spain?? ... that is not much to go on mate.... am I supposed to know everything they are doing based on that? My cousin was in Europe last week. Since then he has returned home and went back to work... I knew nothing of his return. Ian The better question is: Where is Bill German when we need him?

__________________________________

Now, he is someone who is proven reputable. If he stated that very recently he spoke to Keith and that Keith said nothing has really been started yet well then I would hold that in a pretty high degree. I'd say the only way it most likely wouldn't be true is if Keith actually lied to German about it.

That is different. Bill German is a well known source who is proven to be in good touch with The Stones personally before and as well he knows their doings from time to time and has been pretty accurate in filling us in before. Then I would take it for what it was...

Ian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoFquax2F-k  :thatwassmart

texile wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:34pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 7:18pm: sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:59pm: Alright so where has Mick and Keith been for the past couple weeks? Does anyone have the slightest clue? From someone on IORR who is handling publicty for Keith's book in Norway: Addicted () Date: August 13, 2010 13:39 He's writing the final chapter(s) of his autobiography and it's a bit past deadline... That's busy! If you've ever set foot in a newspaper room, spoken with a reporter or an author past their deadlines... You know they're busy - because they're NOT speaking to anyone untill the job's done. I know he didn't have time to hang out with an old pal when in NYC recently, because of all the book-stress. Mick as I also mentioned earlier in this thread was spotted in Spain recently. Any other questions Ian? :nanker ______________________________ Sweetcharmedlife, what you gave me are "blurbs" from a message board but I will discuss it for arguments sake: So Keith was in Norway 10 days ago and Mick was in Spain lately..."supposedly". Well what is Mick doing in Spain? When did he get there? How long is he staying? Did he go straight to Spain or did he stop some where eles? Where is he staying in Spain? Who is he in Spain with? Where are the photos? Where is Keith staying in Norway? From what airport did he leave? When is he due back? Did he take his guitar? Who has he spoken to since he has been in Norway? Is he still there? And Where are the photos? Surely in today's media blitz age and how everything celebs do gets reported as it happens, there has got to be photos of Keith in Norway right? ....well? I see one paragraph from someone who supposedly knows Keith's where about's a couple weeks ago from a message board and you say Mick was spoted in Spain?? ... that is not much to go on mate.... am I supposed to know everything they are doing based on that? My cousin was in Europe last week. Since then he has returned home and went back to work... I knew nothing of his return. Ian The better question is: Where is Bill German when we need him?

I just received a private message from him on Facebook.  

Edith Grove wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 7:42pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoFquax2F-k  :thatwassmart

_____________________________


Alright ... now you know how I feel and I know how you feel but on the video... Secretariat is my favorite race horse of all time. Secretariat IS the very best race horse of all time ...period.

This race, the 1973 Belmont, is undoubtedly the greatest race ever ran by man or animal.


Ian

[quote author=left shoe shuffle link=1282718355/25#32 date=1282780715]
FFS man, it's time to quit while you're behind.
Like Secretariat and the field behind...

Of course family and friends knew.

What exactly did her family and friends stand to gain by making an intensely personal and private struggle public?

________________________________

.... Nothing but people talk mate. Word gets around unintentionally. It doesn't take long. And in this high profile situation if someone from the press wanted to they could of. It wasn't THAT big of a story.

Seems you're also unfamiliar with doctor/patient confidentiality.
That same confidentiality applies to the hospitals where these doctors, nurses, et al. work.

___________________________________

I worked at a major hospital full time for a decade. I know what hospitals are like because I worked in three different departments in one for ten years. Yes it IS confidential BUT ... when someone goes in or has a stay at a hospital ...even in a private room at the end of the hall people find out.

*True Story for example James Brown (yes ...theee James Brown) once actually came to the hospital I worked to see a woman who sewed and made many of his outfits. She was quite sick. He went discreetly right to her room for a while. Left. By the end of the day the whole hospital knew. Every floor. I knew within two hours of his leaving and at the time I was working three floors below in food service. People talk.

Most of the time it isn't about PURPOSELY blowing the whistle. It is the mere fact that people cannot keep quiet about each-other let alone celebs. Word gets out very quickly. As The James Brown scenario.

Nobody was supposed to know. Here I was, a 24 year old kid in dietary ...a "nobody"... even though I worked a t the hospital. What right, or why did I know the whole scenario? ...but in two hours I knew James Brown was there, I knew who he was visiting, and I knew she was very sick.

It isn't because Keith and his family and all the docs and friends were so secretive. It is virtually impossible to keep under wraps. They were given a bit of leniency because it was TOP TOP shelf news. The press never really investigated.


Ian

Interesting story.

'Cept The Godfather Of Soul wasn't a patient...


Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 8:08pm:

It wasn't THAT big of a story.

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 8:08pm:

it was TOP TOP shelf news.

If the phone rings, don't answer it.

It's probably the glue factory.

left shoe shuffle wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

Interesting story. 'Cept The Godfather Of Soul wasn't a patient...

________________________

No he wasn't. But for cryin out loud what if he was?? You better believe if he or his wife was the friggin world would of known. Geez he was only there for two hours and I and everyone knew. It was the talk of the hospital. Many people still remember the visit.  What if his wife was having an operation and needed a bit of a stay??? How could they of kept that under wraps? They couldn't of. Same is true with Keith's wife. It is Keith Richard's from The Rolling Stones. I am sure people saw him visiting or going in to an office or a room right? Maybe a nurse checkin his wifes blood pressure. Maybe an orderly. Maybe the anesthesiologist. Maybe a very respected ultrasound tech who did a check on his wife?? Maybe the nurse carrying in the food tray (they would of taken it from food service I'm sure in this instance which would instantly draw attention). Are you telling me nobody breathed a word. None of them went home and told their wife or husband?  ....What if this orderly's cousin works for the local paper and they speak? What if the orderly happens to mention this to his cousin. Things happen.. The reason we didn't find out is not bc of all this great secrecy. Part of it may of been press leniency and the other part is it was not the news of Michael Jackson dying.


Ian

I worked at a hospital for a long time. People see. People talk. Word gets around a hospital fast bro even if the room is private or the patient is in a wing all by itself.
Even if they are trying to keep things under wraps. Especially if it would involve a celeb who has the status of being A Rolling Stone. You just wouldn't be able to keep it hush hush. Trust ME. Why didn't anyone photo Keith going to visit his wife? Kinda strange they catch him riding a bike down the street or naked on a beach with the fam but nobody sees he and his family going to the hospital or doctors to see on his wife...

Again ... they were lenient. And you bet your butt many more people knew than only close friends and family and the docs. Very sure many people at least knew that A Rolling Stone's wife was having problems or that she was under medical attention.  People see, hear, and talk mate.

*The very good thing about all this talk is that she is healthy now. That is by far the most important aspect of the whole matter. Not how, if, or why people find out.

Ian

:forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

:forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake

_______________________

Ok. Maybe I should just agree with you and Gazza then. ...Right? You can act like I never let it rest but why should I? Neither have you and I simply don't agree ....

I worked in LA. I knew two people who worked for the LA times.

Things are not always what they seem or as are perceived on TV. There are unspoken rules. Guide lines. Respect lines.  It is what they let, or care about covering. If your a celeb and you are visiting a hospital or doctor people know. It is only a matter of time until the press will get a tip off. They "seek" out secretaries, clerks, etc. etc. They will pay off folks to get even a tip under sworn confidentiality. You see it really is almost never a doctor or someone of esteemed value who spills the beans ....it is someone who means nothing but would like $500.00 to simply state who and why?

Ian

I'm confused, what's this "new contract" business ? Is it the thing they signed with Universal a couple of years ago? I seem to remember Gazza mentioning that the word was that there was no provision for a new album ?

Yes. The UMG deal was signed in 2008.

Bob Lefsetz posted a screed about it that included this tidbit - "Insiders know those records are probably not guaranteed and will probably never be recorded…"

Stones To Universal

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 9:11pm:

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 8:54pm: :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake _______________________ Ok. Maybe I should just agree with you and Gazza then. ...Right? You can act like I never let it rest but why should I? Neither have you and I simply don't agree .... I worked in LA. I knew two people who worked for the LA times. Things are not always what they seem or as are perceived on TV. There are unspoken rules. Guide lines. Respect lines.  It is what they let, or care about covering. If your a celeb and you are visiting a hospital or doctor people know. It is only a matter of time until the press will get a tip off. They "seek" out secretaries, clerks, etc. etc. They will pay off folks to get even a tip under sworn confidentiality. You see it really is almost never a doctor or someone of esteemed value who spills the beans ....it is someone who means nothing but would like $500.00 to simply state who and why? Ian

I give up. Yes it's all a ruse. The album is done and will be released next week. It'll be called to Ian with love. :smilebrian :boring :spooky

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 9:41pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 9:11pm: sweetcharmedlife wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 8:54pm: :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake :forfucksake _______________________ Ok. Maybe I should just agree with you and Gazza then. ...Right? You can act like I never let it rest but why should I? Neither have you and I simply don't agree .... I worked in LA. I knew two people who worked for the LA times. Things are not always what they seem or as are perceived on TV. There are unspoken rules. Guide lines. Respect lines.  It is what they let, or care about covering. If your a celeb and you are visiting a hospital or doctor people know. It is only a matter of time until the press will get a tip off. They "seek" out secretaries, clerks, etc. etc. They will pay off folks to get even a tip under sworn confidentiality. You see it really is almost never a doctor or someone of esteemed value who spills the beans ....it is someone who means nothing but would like $500.00 to simply state who and why? Ian I give up. Yes it's all a ruse. The album is done and will be released next week. It'll be called to Ian with love. :smilebrian :boring :spooky

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LOL!! ..that's great I must admit.  I literally laughed to myself out-loud after reading that.



Ian

Photo of Mick on holiday in Austria a few days ago

http://static3.kleinezeitung.at/system/galleries_520x335/upload/3/6/0/2457328/726jagg250810.jpg

Keith, acoustic guitar and quill appear to be just out of shot...

Article here (in German) - http://www.kleinezeitung.at/nachrichten/kultur/musik/2457328/ein-phantom-weinstrasse.story;jsessionid=1B7818EF2189AC711ABFF1BA12AEF5B1.p3

Nothing of note in the piece other than apparently he's promised backstage passes to the people he stayed with for the next tour.

Christ get Mick out of Australia before U2 show up with Jay_Z......thats all we need is a hip hop influenced album

gimmekeef wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 7:08am:

Christ get Mick out of Australia before U2 show up with Jay_Z......thats all we need is a hip hop influenced album

Austria, lad - not Australia..... :P

Mick and L'Wren at Castello della Gherardesca in Italy earlier this week.

Photog literally laying in the weeds...

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Mick+Jagger+Mick+Jagger+Castella+della+Gherardesca+8lEwMyIQ6kAl.jpg?72050EP_JAGGER_B-GR_05
Bauer Griffin


BTW, the picture of Mick that accompanied the Austria story is a stock shot from Cannes.

I thought the Austria pic looked a bit formal!

Spain, Austria, Italy. Looks like Europe's getting a 2010 tour after all. In which case, there's bound to be a couple of postponements soon.

Sounds also like Keith's going to be doing a reasonable amount of promotion for his book, which comes out in October.

Can't imagine there'll be much Stones activity until that's all finished.

left shoe shuffle wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 1:58pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 1:27pm: I am guessing they are together right now if they are to have an album out next year. http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/3162/127 One way to eliminate the guesswork is by asking Ronnie when you see him at Butler next month. Installment # 242 will write itself...

THATS POSTIN !

left shoe shuffle wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 9:27pm:

Yes. The UMG deal was signed in 2008. Bob Lefsetz posted a screed about it that included this tidbit - "Insiders know those records are probably not guaranteed and will probably never be recorded…" Stones To Universal

Thanks, so nothing new...classic Ian...

They are together writing the next masterpiece.

Some Guy wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 2:12pm:

They are together writing the next masterpiece.

emotional rescue part II?

mojoman wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:

Some Guy wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 2:12pm: They are together writing the next masterpiece. emotional rescue part II?

when Emotional Rescue files its taxes at the end of each year, it lists the other Stones albums as dependants.

I was enjoying Reading this rather mad thread but the esteemed poster Ian doesn't seem to have any further argument. That's disappointing cause this was a hoot! You all really killed this one off with your rationality. Damn you Gazza! Damn you and your pesky facts!

Btw, the whole thing about Mick promising backstage passes to peoplewas probably him just being cute so to speak. Not as if he's gonna run home and call up Keith and Charlie so he doesn't break his promise.

mojoman wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:

Some Guy wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 2:12pm: They are together writing the next masterpiece. emotional rescue part II?

could be happening. As we have established, we don't really know
"Where the boys all go"


Sorry, couldn't resist....

I just realized Mick has been with L'wren Scott for close to nine years! And not one tabloid story!
That's longer than Marianne and Bianca and halfway into the Jerry Hall years. He seems genuinely content. I'm ready for him to start writing songs about this woman because I want to know what's keeping him in check.
And I wondered, does that make L'wren a Stones chick? Or has that time passed?

She's not quite a Stones chick if he hasn't written anything about her. He still seems to write alot
about Jerry and it seems quite bitter. Or maybe he just misses having the odd conquest here and there?!?

SoulPlunderer wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:

I was enjoying Reading this rather mad thread but the esteemed poster Ian doesn't seem to have any further argument. That's disappointing cause this was a hoot! You all really killed this one off with your rationality. Damn you Gazza! Damn you and your pesky facts!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lAaq1Ks0xnw/SNCyjwSzS9I/AAAAAAAAAEw/6FpQd1c42jo/s320/dragnet.jpg

Ian's speculations enjoyable?  Afraid we're going to have to bring you to the station for further questioning.  

http://altamontapparel.com/images/news/blueboy.jpg

Take me to the station...  ♫ ♪

left shoe shuffle wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 10:45pm:

http://altamontapparel.com/images/news/blueboy.jpg Take me to the station...  ♫ ♪

 Excellent...now we be trippin' Dragnet style. [smiley=wink.gif]

Well they (Mick & Keith) are now on the same continent. That's a start...



Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 12:07am:

Well they (Mick & Keith) are now on the same continent. That's a start... Ian

Are we talking about Europe? Cause I'm there too and I haven't seen either of them!

And I found the speculation enjoyable because it was funny and he kept coming back even when his arguments had been shot down. He's insane but you gotta admire the enthusiasim!

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 12:07am:

Well they (Mick & Keith) are now on the same continent. That's a start... Ian

It might indeed be, if they were. Have I missed something about Keith being in Europe?

Your total misinterpretation of a 'Keith Norwegian publicist' story was explained about 15 posts ago.

Unless Keith was hiding in the bushes with that paparrazzi photographer in Austria, waiting to throw a bag over Mick and spirit him away to a nearby recording studio.

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 12:07am:

Well they (Mick & Keith) are now on the same continent. That's a start... Ian

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KX5jNnDMfxA

SoulPlunderer wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 8:28pm:

She's not quite a Stones chick if he hasn't written anything about her. He still seems to write alot about Jerry and it seems quite bitter. Or maybe he just misses having the odd conquest here and there?!?

Mick and Keith are both 'Stones chicks' because they're more likely to write about each other.

SoulPlunderer wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:

I was enjoying Reading this rather mad thread but the esteemed poster Ian doesn't seem to have any further argument. That's disappointing cause this was a hoot! You all really killed this one off with your rationality. Damn you Gazza! Damn you and your pesky facts!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HijhRK2BkjA/TCA8S1UTndI/AAAAAAAAC7Q/PcQ3aV-Ev6k/s400/scoobydoo.jpg

Ian would have got away with it if it wasnt for those pesky, meddling kids




SoulPlunderer wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:

Btw, the whole thing about Mick promising backstage passes to peoplewas probably him just being cute so to speak. Not as if he's gonna run home and call up Keith and Charlie so he doesn't break his promise.

Yeah. Thats true enough. Like, whats he gonna say to his hosts - "thanks for the barbecue, but as for Stones tickets - fuck off!" ? Standard tabloid space filler.

Some Guy wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 2:21pm:

mojoman wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 2:18pm: Some Guy wrote on Aug 26th, 2010 at 2:12pm: They are together writing the next masterpiece. emotional rescue part II? when Emotional Rescue files its taxes at the end of each year, it lists the other Stones albums as dependants.

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mick an keef are in the appartment next door writing exile 2.
how do i knoww?
1st of all i live in france and 2nd i havent seen or heard them. hiding from the press and all that...
from the things ive not heard through the wall its going to be great.
we ll have a tour soon, with tickets at 20 euros.
and now if you excuse me i gotta contine the beerd drinking with alice in wonderland...

Gazza wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 6:12am:

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 27th, 2010 at 12:07am: Well they (Mick & Keith) are now on the same continent. That's a start... Ian It might indeed be, if they were. Have I missed something about Keith being in Europe? Your total misinterpretation of a 'Keith Norwegian publicist' story was explained about 15 posts ago. Unless Keith was hiding in the bushes with that paparrazzi photographer in Austria, waiting to throw a bag over Mick and spirit him away to a nearby recording studio.

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I didn't see how the Norwegian/Norway thing was explained. Keith is in New York as you know from the other thread that came up recently. Regardless, the comment of them on the same continent being off to a good start was basically a joke...


Ian

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keith don't give a shit no more.

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 11:24pm:

I didn't see how the Norwegian/Norway thing was explained. Keith is in New York as you know from the other thread that came up recently.

Yes. I did.

In which case, why persist in speculating that he and Mick may be 'together' when you've known for a few days at least that Mick is in Europe.  :forfucksake

Looks like Mick's added some October dates to his itinerary.
According to this article, he'll be attending a festival in India.


Mick Jagger in Jodhpur!

Piyali Dasgupta, TNN, Aug 30, 2010

Mick Jagger's coming on a culinary trip to India.

The Rolling Stones' lead vocalist will be in Jodhpur between October 21-24 for the Rajasthan International Food Festival (RIFF), which is being organised at the Mehrangarh Fort. Jagger is the patron of the festival with Maharaja Gaj Singh.

Whether Jagger will perform or not is still unclear, but other artistes set to perform at the festival are world percussionist Pete Lockett, Pakistani band Mekaal Hasan, and Indian singers Sona Mohapatra and Ashwini Bhide.

The Times Of India

SoulPlunderer wrote on Aug 26^th, 2010 at 8:28pm:

She's not quite a Stones chick if he hasn't written anything about her. He still seems to write alot about Jerry and it seems quite bitter. Or maybe he just misses having the odd conquest here and there?!?

I'm ready for the L'wren songs. I'm not so sure all Mick's songs are about Jerry - that relationship was the most public and i think that's why people assume they are, plus Jerry keeps telling everyone they are, but Mick's closet is filled with women from his past who he dissapointed and, like Gazza said, don't underestimate Keith's place in Jagger's box of inspirations.

Case in point "Party Doll"...hope this doesn't add fuel to Ian's "Mick is a cocksucker" theory [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Worth mentioning also that a few of the more world-weary reflective songs Jagger wrote which ended up on ABB were written originally for 'Alfie' but werent used - presumably they werent done in time or else he had greater plans for them.

'Laugh I Nearly Died' was certainly one, and I think 'Streets of Love' may have been another. When you think of the latter part of the plot of the movie, its quite feasible that 'Biggest Mistake' may well be another.

I honestly cant see Jagger pouring his soul out so openly on record about the demise of his marriage and how he fucked it up.  

Gazza wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:53pm:

Worth mentioning also that a few of the more world-weary reflective songs Jagger wrote which ended up on ABB were written originally for 'Alfie' but werent used - presumably they werent done in time or else he had greater plans for them. 'Laugh I Nearly Died' was certainly one, and I think 'Streets of Love' may have been another. When you think of the latter part of the plot of the movie, its quite feasible that 'Biggest Mistake' may well be another. I honestly cant see Jagger pouring his soul out so openly on record about the demise of his marriage and how he fucked it up.

True.
I think Jagger often writes from his personal life, ie. Some Girls and his divorce, "my lady said the baby's dead...' etc..... But I don't think we can just assume that all his songs are so literally personal.  You mentioned a perfect example - he wrote the Alfie songs based on his talks with the director and each song was written in the context of certain scenes. As an artist, he writes from whatever moves him and that could be Keith or whomever. My point is that many people just assume all his 'relationship' songs about Jerry Hall and that seems shortsighted. Mick has many relationships, past, and present and most of those exist privately. With Jerry Hall, she is always talking about him, their relationship, then and now, how they talk all the time, how she still loves him etc...what songs are about her etc.... so the media just assumes they're all about her and that gets played up in the press.....but Mick Jagger has a closet full of past loves - she's just the only one who talks about it. I frankly find it annoying when women make these claims. Like Bebe Buel telling the world that Elvis Costello's "This Year's Model was all about her.....he put that claim to rest rather ungentlemenly at the time, but it must be irritating for an artist to have his art "claimed".

texile wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

Gazza wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:53pm: Worth mentioning also that a few of the more world-weary reflective songs Jagger wrote which ended up on ABB were written originally for 'Alfie' but werent used - presumably they werent done in time or else he had greater plans for them. 'Laugh I Nearly Died' was certainly one, and I think 'Streets of Love' may have been another. When you think of the latter part of the plot of the movie, its quite feasible that 'Biggest Mistake' may well be another. I honestly cant see Jagger pouring his soul out so openly on record about the demise of his marriage and how he fucked it up.   True. I think Jagger often writes from his personal life, ie. Some Girls and his divorce, "my lady said the baby's dead...' etc..... But I don't think we can just assume that all his songs are so literally personal.  You mentioned a perfect example - he wrote the Alfie songs based on his talks with the director and each song was written in the context of certain scenes. As an artist, he writes from whatever moves him and that could be Keith or whomever. My point is that many people just assume all his 'relationship' songs about Jerry Hall and that seems shortsighted. Mick has many relationships, past, and present and most of those exist privately. With Jerry Hall, she is always talking about him, their relationship, then and now, how they talk all the time, how she still loves him etc...what songs are about her etc.... so the media just assumes they're all about her and that gets played up in the press.....but Mick Jagger has a closet full of past loves - she's just the only one who talks about it. I frankly find it annoying when women make these claims. Like Bebe Buel telling the world that Elvis Costello's "This Year's Model was all about her.....he put that claim to rest rather ungentlemenly at the time, but it must be irritating for an artist to have his art "claimed".

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It is my opinion that most of the time Mick is just speaking about a "situation" with no two specific people in mind. I don't think he writes based on his "personal experiences" most of the time. I think Mick writes about general scenarios concerning lost loves, heart ache, ya-da ya-da. Possibly even fictional situations. To me, it doesn't seem as though he writes about his own personal romantic experiences much... maybe here and again but not much.

That's always how I took it. As well Mick writes about other people most of the time....not about himself or any issues with him it seems. I am sure he has at times written of himself ..or about Keith possibly... but in my opinion most of the time his writing is based on situations, general scenarios, or other people (like Dangerous Beauty) not himself.


Ian

I think Jagger does write from personal experience fairly often. After all, that's what gives the best songs a depth, makes them tangible. But my point was that there are many, many people - past and present - in his life to draw from, not just Jerry Hall.
All artists are inspired by the people in their lives and different songwriters work differently and then there are artists like Springsteen, who seem to write like a novelist would write: creating characters that speak to universal truths.
Who knows? Part of what makes it interesting is that we all have our own ideas about what songs are about what or about who and we all relate in different ways.

Gazza wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:53pm:

When you think of the latter part of the plot of the movie, its quite feasible that 'Biggest Mistake' may well be another.

Biggest Mistake is a fairly fitting title for that whole movie and its accompanying soundtrack.

I've been going through some Stones withdrawals.

For cereal, when the fuck are they gon' tour?

It's sort of all in the Charlie in Paris thread.