Post by Ginda on May 2nd, 2010 at 4:32pm
I can't watch it either. Incomprehensible. I love the sight of the Wild Horse Wind and Solar Facility here. The wind has been howling for days. Turn baby turn.
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Title: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on May 2nd, 2010 at 2:27pm
GET YOUR SHRIMP AND OYSTERS NOW before they are EXTINCT... my heart is breaking, the Gulf Coast will never be the same again, not in our lifetime...
filthy dirty fucking oil, the Valdez was not enough of a warning i guess... praying for everyone down there, there lives will NEVER be the same.... |
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Title: Re: OT - GULF COAST DISASTER Post by Edith Grove on May 2nd, 2010 at 3:35pm
Thanks for mentioning this.
This is happening practically in my back yard. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: OT - GULF COAST DISASTER Post by fuman on May 2nd, 2010 at 4:05pm
I can't watch the coverage, it's too depressing.
Has anyone seen the new Dawn Detergent commercial on TV? They show images of people cleaning the oil off of coastal animals, using Dawn Detergent. Last time I buy that fucking product. In a related story, I read today that a lipstick lesbian biker gang lost control of their motorcycles and CRASHED into one of the turbines at the Tehachapi Pass Wind Farm in California. Now there is fucking wind EVERYWHERE !!! Out of control. Totally chaotic. |
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Title: Re: OT - GULF COAST DISASTER Post by Ginda on May 2nd, 2010 at 4:32pm
I can't watch it either. Incomprehensible. I love the sight of the Wild Horse Wind and Solar Facility here. The wind has been howling for days. Turn baby turn.
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Title: Re: OT - GULF COAST DISASTER Post by PartyDoll MEG on May 2nd, 2010 at 4:40pm
Really sad news.....
and we want to build more of these "safe oil rigs" off our coastlines? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 2nd, 2010 at 6:08pm
Hoping to head down there in June. Just another fucked up thing to happen to that region. I hope somebody figures out how to contain this. It's gettin uglier by the hour.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by lotsajizz on May 3rd, 2010 at 7:24am
....gotta love how BP learned from past disasters and had a speedy contingency plan.....
right OK now Cazart! :forfucksake |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 3rd, 2010 at 8:39am lotsajizz wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 7:24am:
What is the over-under of when Obama decides to pull the plug on his promotion of off shore drilling? This will be a trying decision for him the larger this matter becomes.... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:00pm Nellcote wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 8:39am:
President Obama would get a round of applause from me if he did pull the plug on the off shore drilling plan. I hold out no hope that this will happen. What's happening in the Gulf Coast now makes me sad and angry. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:08pm
has Riffy blamed Obama yet?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:21pm Nellcote wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 8:39am:
larger this matter becomes... no kidding, to call this a disaster, isn't even touching on how bad this is... we're talking at least a genration till it can be clean again, major hit to envoirment and wildlife, and the economic impact on fishing alone... over 20 yrs and alaska is still messed up from Valdez spill... We need clean, and we can be clean when it comes to how we supply energy... the will isn't there to do it. everyone goes to politics with this crap and we've gone nauseum with climate change already, so... our oil use, it is just so obvious, we need to find alternatives... We are just ill equiped as a species to handle the effects of our consumption of natural resources, and our behavioor is so obviously not good for this planet. It just all comes down to money and convenience... that's the larger decision, from my POV. and even if this wasn't a dirty way to supply energy, it is finite... it will run out... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 3rd, 2010 at 4:11pm
Posting from work reminder for Joey:
Let us reflect once again on Luca's sad ending... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 5th, 2010 at 6:31am
Do they know how to stop this yet? BP (Broken Pipe) needs to start cleaning.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 5th, 2010 at 9:07am Some Guy wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 6:31am:
The latest plan is to lower a large, box-like structure to the gulf floor, and pump the oil from a valve on top of the box to ships on the surface. Doesn't look like it's working very well: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/oil-thomas.html Seafood restaurants around here are doing a booming business and people are stocking up on seafood in anticipation of shortages. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by ijwthstd on May 5th, 2010 at 1:22pm
Just a small price to pay so I can keep driving my Hummer.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 5th, 2010 at 1:40pm ijwthstd wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 1:22pm:
Now, that's fucked up. :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 5th, 2010 at 1:41pm ijwthstd wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 1:22pm:
douchebag :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 5th, 2010 at 1:45pm Some Guy wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:08pm:
or has anyone blamed Bush yet for this?..just sayin............ |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 5th, 2010 at 1:48pm gimmekeef wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 1:45pm:
dude |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 5th, 2010 at 2:20pm gimmekeef wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 1:45pm:
Well 4000 oil rigs didn't just show up in the Gulf out of nowhere. :retarded |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 5th, 2010 at 2:29pm
fuck bush
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 5th, 2010 at 2:31pm
Stay thirsty my friends . . .
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 5th, 2010 at 2:34pm fuman wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 2:31pm:
ain't bringing |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by ijwthstd on May 5th, 2010 at 2:43pm Some Guy wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 2:34pm:
He's a punk ass bitch who just couldn't hang. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Jesus Christ on May 6th, 2010 at 1:56pm gimmekeef wrote on May 5th, 2010 at 1:45pm:
Now that you mention it... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/sex-lies-and-oil-spills_b_564163.html as for blaming Obama: Michael Brown, director of FEMA during the Bush years, told FOX News' Neil Cavuto: "This is exactly what they want, because now he can pander to the environmentalists and say, 'I'm gonna shut it down because it's too dangerous. This president has never supported big oil, he's never supported offshore drilling, and now he has an excuse to shut it back down." Rush blames Greenpeace or someone: On Limbaugh's April 29 program, he raised the possibility that the oil spill is all an environmentalist conspiracy: "Now, lest we forget, ladies and gentlemen, the carbon tax bill, cap and trade that was scheduled to be announced on Earth Day. I remember that. And then it was postponed for a couple of days later after Earth Day, and then of course immigration has now moved in front of it. But this bill, the cap-and-trade bill, was strongly criticized by hardcore environmentalist wackos because it supposedly allowed more offshore drilling and nuclear plants, nuclear plant investment. So, since they're sending SWAT teams down there, folks, since they're sending SWAT teams to inspect the other rigs, what better way to head off more oil drilling, nuclear plants, than by blowing up a rig? I'm just noting the timing here." He added later: "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." Oh, really? Whew! That's a relief! My favorite blamer: Texas Governor Rick Perry (R) speculated that the spill may have just been God's doing: “From time to time there are going to be things that occur that are acts of God that cannot be prevented." |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 6th, 2010 at 2:08pm
A volcano is an act of God. An oil spill is an act of idiots. :will-ya
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 6th, 2010 at 2:16pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 6th, 2010 at 2:08pm:
Hate to disagree with your police work, SCL, but I believe volcanoes are caused by the shifting of the Earth's tectonic plates. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on May 6th, 2010 at 2:23pm
Well, now i know for sure BP is grasping at straws to clean this mess up... they hired my f'd up company!!! haaaahaaaaahaaaaa no seriously we do industrial clean up, they want us to send them a few hundred wet vac trucks and about 500 workers... but its a hurry up and wait situation, they tell us this but we dont have a firm money commitment from them yet, they have NO IDEA what this is going to cost them, we charge our wet vac trucks out at about $700 a day.. sending a few trucks down tomorrow, then more next week, we'll see how it goes... its just such a sad fucked up mess ...
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 6th, 2010 at 2:28pm Ginda wrote on May 6th, 2010 at 2:16pm:
Duly noted Ginda. :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 6th, 2010 at 2:54pm Ginda wrote on May 6th, 2010 at 2:16pm:
I thought it had something to do with Joey's bowel movements. [smiley=shocked.gif] |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 6th, 2010 at 8:37pm
are we saying that this isn't an oil spill in the gulf, it was just joey crapping while swimming?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 10th, 2010 at 9:00am
Have they capped it yet? What's the big plan? It's no longer front page news. Updates are hard to come by.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 10th, 2010 at 9:33am
" are we saying that this isn't an oil spill in the gulf, it was just
joey crapping while swimming ? " Speaking of which , my sordid combination of Crohn's disease , inflammatory bowel disease ( IBD ) , Irritable bowel syndrome and just a plain ol' basic bad diet has caused me to crap up a friggin STORM today . * Whew ! * Man ------ you all should see the sausages fly everywhere !!!!!!! * Phew ! * " Hit Me Ronnie !!!! " Brown Stinkies ! ™ " Overview " " Crohn's disease is a form of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It usually affects the intestines, but may occur anywhere from the mouth to the end of the rectum (anus). Symptoms depend on what part of the gastrointestinal tract is affected. Symptoms range from mild to severe, and can come and go with periods of flare-ups. The main symptoms of Crohn's disease are: Crampy abdominal (belly area) pain Fever Fatigue Loss of appetite Pain with passing stool (tenesmus) Persistent, watery diarrhea Unintentional weight loss Other symptoms may include: Constipation Eye inflammation Fistulas (usually around the rectal area, may cause draining of pus, mucus, or stools) Joint pain Liver inflammation Mouth ulcers Rectal bleeding and bloody stools Skin rash Swollen gums |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 10th, 2010 at 9:35am Some Guy wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 9:00am:
Latest attempt to cap it was a clusterfuck. New plan is to stuff garbage in the hole. You can't make this shit up. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100510/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_bp_s_influence |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 10th, 2010 at 9:39am Some Guy wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 9:00am:
Where you been? It's all over the news. They lowered a huge containment box over the well head with a funnel-like structure to pipe the oil up to barges. It didn't work, due to ice crystal build-up. They're thinking about trying a smaller box, but how that prevents ice crystals is beyond me. Another idea is to shoot ground up rubber into the well head to block it up. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 10th, 2010 at 10:26am Edith Grove wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 9:39am:
I'm a very busy man, just looking for the gist. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 10th, 2010 at 10:30am
We really need something down there to suck it all up.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 10th, 2010 at 2:01pm Some Guy wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 9:00am:
nope, and a report says earrths eco-systems are at a dangerous tipping point... so much for all those who said it was an over-blown plot to make them drive slow cars and take away their toasters... let's hopw that wherever inteligence life may exist in the cosmos, they are prone to peace and love their world more than we did. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on May 10th, 2010 at 2:08pm
my company is sending vac trucks and people down there every day now... from all over the country... we are going to be working down there for a long long long long time... so i guess at least the job situation for some is better... its so fucking sad, everything down there is done...
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on May 10th, 2010 at 3:09pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 10th, 2010 at 3:51pm
so a 100 ton house got lifted up by the gusher at the bottom of the ocean? What if they can not stop it?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Brainbell Jangler on May 10th, 2010 at 4:58pm Ginda wrote on May 6th, 2010 at 2:16pm:
Watch it. You don't want to be accused of attacking someone's "faith." |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 10th, 2010 at 5:19pm Some Guy wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 3:51pm:
drill baby, drill. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by tumbledsomebody on May 11th, 2010 at 10:21am
Minerals Management Service Web page:
Deepwater Horizon Incident On April 20, 2010 while working on an exploratory well approximately 50 miles offshore Louisiana, the semi-submersible drilling rig Deepwater Horizon experienced an explosion and fire. The cause of the incident is under investigation. The Minerals Management Service is actively working with the U.S. Coast Guard and the operator of the drilling rig in securing the well and protecting the environment. Updates regarding response operations can be found at Deepwater Horizon Response. To report oiled wildlife, please call 1-866-557-1401 and leave a message. Messages will be checked hourly. To report oil spill related damage, please call 1-800-440-0858. To report oiled shoreline or request volunteer information, please call 1-866-448-5816. Follow us on Twitter at Oil_Spill_2010 or on Facebook at Deepwater Horizon Response. To submit alternative response technology, services or products please call (281) 366-5511 The Mineral Management Service is being blown up as we speak by the administration. --------> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/11/minerals-management-servi_n_571253.html Halliburton now based in Dubai capped the well 20 hours before but nobody's talking about it http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/10/gulf-spill-halliburton-co_n_570484.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 11th, 2010 at 12:54pm
Time to call Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by open-g on May 11th, 2010 at 1:55pm
What's up with the suggestion that A Nuclear Bomb Can Only Fix This Oil Spill ?
http://thecomingdepression.blogspot.com/2010/05/nuclear-bomb-can-only-fix-this-oil.html oh wait, there must be a downside to it :forfucksake :aimama |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on May 11th, 2010 at 3:26pm
http://www.pnj.com/article/20100510/NEWS01/5100314
its worse than anyone can even imagine...AND THE FUCKERS ARE LYING ABOUT IT |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on May 11th, 2010 at 10:03pm
The Gulf Of Mexico won't ever be the same
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 12th, 2010 at 6:23am Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on May 11th, 2010 at 10:03pm:
holy smoke, that's the first I've seen that. This is scary. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 12th, 2010 at 7:26am
we need clean energy sources, now!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 12th, 2010 at 2:26pm Joey wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 10:35am:
not now Joey, not today. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 13th, 2010 at 6:54am
the gush keeps gushing
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 13th, 2010 at 2:06pm
This ordeal kind of blows the peak oil theory out of the water, no pun intended
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 13th, 2010 at 2:16pm
Maybe BP should get Joey's expertise on this, he's like a a blow-out expert or something
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 13th, 2010 at 2:42pm
[quote author=Joey link=1272828470/50#54 date=1273778740]" Maybe BP should get Joey's expertise on this ...... "
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/0/9/9/d/Atlanta_Falcons_vs_295a.JPG?adImageId=7442647&imageId=6115491 !!!! I could easily plug that hole |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 13th, 2010 at 4:16pm
[quote author=Joey link=1272828470/50#56 date=1273780478]" I could easily plug that hole "
!!!! Whachoo talkin' bout Lewis !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 18th, 2010 at 6:03am
Some good ideas for containing the spill:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/309252/may-10-2010/oil-containment-solution-randomizer |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 21st, 2010 at 9:38am
Brand new song dedicated to the major players in the Gulf oil spill !
Available in HD ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnR1BrGgRVM |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 21st, 2010 at 9:41am Edith Grove wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 9:38am:
I've heard they can't stop it. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 21st, 2010 at 10:06am
I've heard that tar balls are washing up on shore now......Nothing more uncomfortable than tar balls. :will-ya
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 21st, 2010 at 10:08am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 21st, 2010 at 10:09am
" ......Nothing more uncomfortable than tar balls. "
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/0/9/9/d/Atlanta_Falcons_vs_295a.JPG?adImageId=7442647&imageId=6115491 !!!! www.thecarrieprejean.com |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 21st, 2010 at 11:03am
plans to drop Oprah over the spill have been abandoned as there is fear the earths orbit could be set out of kilter........more research on Rosie ODonnell is underway as a backup
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 21st, 2010 at 2:16pm
They are gonna make one last try Sunday to stop it; if it doesn't work they say it will last till August.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 21st, 2010 at 3:23pm gimmekeef wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 11:03am:
At least you didn't say Mick Taylor. :warhorse |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 23rd, 2010 at 11:44am
maybe stopping it in August if last shot doesn't work this week. I don't like this.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 23rd, 2010 at 11:45am Some Guy wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 11:44am:
Horribly fucked up situation all the way around. Lots of blame to go around. Somebody needs to step up and take charge and get shit done. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 23rd, 2010 at 11:50am
looks like Wednesday early is the try. Big day for the Earth, the Earth is bleeding from an area that it should not be. All that gas and oil escaping, the cavity it leaves can't be good.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 23rd, 2010 at 12:00pm Some Guy wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 11:50am:
I was watching CNN this morning and an old Louisiana fisherman used the expression "the gulf is bleeding". As they showed the water turning a sick looking red color. Amazing the watch these hardened old fisherman nearly reduced to tears because their lively hood is at danger. The ironic part is that now BP is hiring some of them to take engineers and scientists out to the spill sight and that's their only source of income these days. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 23rd, 2010 at 12:02pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 12:00pm:
can we get a stone cold lock when this puppy will be capped? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 23rd, 2010 at 12:16pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 23rd, 2010 at 12:45pm
None of the news outlets have mentioned the human birth defects that will certainly accelerate in the coming years for the locals.
There are many caustic gasses spewing out of this spill that aren't getting coverage. Those poor animals living in the midst, burning in agony from the toxins in the water. Extinction is happening. Species that may have provided cures to many human diseases will perish. And the big fish are eating the smaller toxic creatures. And we eat those big fish, at least we used to. I wonder if there will be a public advisory announcement, or if the economic concerns will trump it. Maybe when President Obama takes his foot off of the neck of BP and stops sounding un-American, things will start to look up? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 23rd, 2010 at 2:03pm they have no idea what to do. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 23rd, 2010 at 5:23pm
" .... they have no idea what to do . "
< ---- Perhaps they should shove one of The Joey's giant TURDS down that oil pipe --- guaranteed to work . Oh, ... Little Fiji ( Lil' Fijikins ... Little , Lil' Fiji .... Little Fijikins ) -- You BAD ! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 23rd, 2010 at 6:20pm
they need to toss BP oil exec's into the gulf.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:13pm Pdog wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 6:20pm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFJsalckElo :areyoufuckingserious |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:50pm Edith Grove wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:13pm:
He's pandering to his audience. Completely unproductive. All of you gulf coasters, continuously seek info on blogs regarding the byproducts of this disaster. I guarantee you, there are serious health concerns just from breathing the air. Major media will not breach the subject. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 23rd, 2010 at 8:07pm fuman wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:50pm:
You're a strange one, fuman. :pullanolte |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 23rd, 2010 at 8:15pm Edith Grove wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 8:07pm:
Fair enough, but I promise you that the levels of Benzene in gulf coast areas local to this oil spill are about to go thru the roof. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 9:30am
I found this post and it is fucked if true, they are saying the video we can see is on a loop and the sea floor has collapsed-
It is of course BP's fault, but that point becomes moot when the truth is, nobody can stop this....and most probably nobody will. Basically, BP opened an undersea volcano, and who knows how long it will keep spewing, and what will be left when it is finished. What has been unleashed here is is a catastrophe who's scope is simply beyond our comprehension. Pray |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 24th, 2010 at 9:39am
" ... the levels of Benzene in gulf coast areas local
to this oil spill are about to go thru the roof. " !!!! www.thecarrieprejean.com |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on May 24th, 2010 at 9:44am
this whole situation is truly terrifying... and it's obvious no one has a clue what to do
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 9:44am Joey wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 9:39am:
Thanks Joey™. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 24th, 2010 at 12:16pm
" this whole situation is truly terrifying... and it's obvious no one has a clue what to do "
!!!! www.thecarrieprejean.com |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 12:18pm
jet geyser- man unable to stop?
bp execs are shitting their collective pants |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 24th, 2010 at 12:30pm
I have yet to hear how humans can drill a well a mile below sea-surface, and another 4-5 miles into the Earth, and not be able to cap it off when something like this happens. :whydontcha
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on May 24th, 2010 at 12:44pm
Benzene has been proven to cause leukemia. I'm pissed off. That dawndetergent commerical is pissing me off too.
Turtles and dolphins and shrimp and crabs and herons and ..................what the #@*($&)(@#&$()*@#$& BP AND HALLIBURTON MUST DIE |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 24th, 2010 at 12:51pm
Hurricane vs. Oil Slick
What would happen if a tropical storm hit the oil floating in the Gulf? By Chris Mooney Posted Friday, May 21, 2010, at 5:24 PM ET Gulf oil spill BP claims to be capturing 5,000 barrels of oil a day from the leaking well at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, but more continues to gush into the water. Meanwhile, the annual hurricane season begins on June 1, and some scientists are predicting an above-average year with 15 named storms and eight hurricanes. It sounds like a deadly combination—but what would actually happen if a storm like Katrina tracked across the spill in the Gulf? It could make things even worse. At least one forecast team puts the chance of a strong hurricane hammering some part of the Gulf Coast this year at 44 percent, and any such storm would threaten to disrupt ongoing containment or environmental protection measures. In an absolute worst-case scenario, powerful hurricane winds might drive the oil slick towards land and push some of it ashore with the ensuing storm surge. Much depends on the angle at which the storm crosses the slick. In the Northern Hemisphere, hurricanes rotate counterclockwise, with the largest storm surge occurring where the winds blow in the direction the storm as a whole is traveling—that's in front of the eye and off to the right. (Meteorologists worry over a hurricane's dangerous "right-front quadrant." So if a powerful storm approached the slick from the southwest, say, its most potent winds would push the oil forward, instead of sweeping it off to the side and out of the storm's path. If the storm then plowed into the Gulf Coast, you'd expect an oily landfall. The strength, movement, and size of the storm would also make a difference. Fortunately, the height of the Atlantic hurricane season, featuring the strongest storms, doesn't arrive until August. We might reasonably hope to have cleaned up the oil by that point. So the storm could move the slick. Could the slick affect the storm? Hurricanes draw their energy from the evaporation of warm seawater—that's why they occur over the summer and into the fall. Given that fact, you might think that oil on the surface of the ocean would interfere with a hurricane's access to its power source. Indeed, some have proposed to combat hurricanes by coating the ocean surface with an oily substance (not crude oil, of course) in order to reduce evaporation and quench a storm's strength. Alas, this scheme probably wouldn't work, nor should we expect the oil spill to slow down any hurricanes very much this season. The first problem is that most hurricanes span an enormous area of the ocean. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the typical storm is 300 miles wide, dwarfing even this large spill. Even if a hurricane passed directly over the slick, the oil would cover just a fraction of the relevant sea surface. What's more, by the time winds reach hurricane force (greater than 74 mph), they cause so much ocean mixing that any oil slick on the surface would be driven down into the depths and generally broken up. MIT hurricane expert Kerry Emanuel has tested the phenomenon on a small scale using an enclosed tank, half filled with water, with an air rotor at the top capable of generating hurricane force winds. When the rotor turned at high speeds, the surface of the water was torn apart, and the scientists observed no difference in the amount of evaporation that occurred with or without an oily surface film. It's even possible that an oil slick could make a powerful hurricane a little stronger. Oil is darker than water, and so it absorbs more sunlight while also blocking evaporation from the sea surface. That means the spill could be trapping heat in one part of the ocean. If a storm passed over and churned up the surface of the water, that potential hurricane energy might then be released. There is a small silver lining here: A hurricane of sufficient force might cause enough ocean mixing to help disperse and "weather" the oil slick, which could in turn speed up the process of biodegradation. http://www.slate.com/id/2253834/?Gt1=38001 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on May 24th, 2010 at 1:17pm By Juliet Eilperin Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, May 24, 2010; 11:47 AM The federal agency responsible for regulating offshore oil drilling repeatedly ignored warnings from government scientists about environmental risks in its push to approve energy exploration activities quickly, according to numerous documents and interviews. *************Minerals Management Service officials, who receive cash bonuses for meeting federal deadlines on leasing offshore oil and gas exploration************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , frequently altered their own documents and bypassed legal requirements aimed at ensuring drilling does not imperil the marine environment, the documents show. This has dramatically weakened the scientific checks on offshore drilling that were established under landmark laws such as the Marine Mammal Protection Act and the National Environmental Policy Act, according to those who have worked with MMS, which is part of the Interior Department. "It's a war between the biologists and the engineers," said Thomas A. Campbell, who served as the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's general counsel under George H.W. Bush. "They just have a very different worldview, and sometimes the engineers simply don't listen to the biologists." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HELLO!! !WE ALREADY KNEW THAT. BIOLOGISTS MUST RISE UP AND DEFEAT THE ENEMY!!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 24th, 2010 at 2:15pm
The Obummer Admin is doing bang up job! Imagine if it had Bush in office when this happened?! I mean even that little liberal freak Bill Mahr admits that the media is giving Obummer a free pass. No doubt that they don't want to remind the public that they were too busy blowing him while ignoring all the known facts about his far left ideology. Too bad there were so many uninformed voters that were conned by this fuckstick.
Oh, and guess who Obama's largest contributor was?! You guessed it! BP!! "While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years. BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals." Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html#ixzz0osM6cw9i This fucking Marxist hack is a goddmaned disaster! Great job, Obummer! Riffy PS-I told you so! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 24th, 2010 at 2:21pm
Maybe they can shove Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck into the hole.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 24th, 2010 at 2:23pm
" Maybe they can shove Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck into the hole. "
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/0/9/9/d/Atlanta_Falcons_vs_295a.JPG?adImageId=7442647&imageId=6115491 !!!! www.thecarrieprejean.com |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 2:23pm
Obama caused the oil spill??
There may not be an answer to this. Pray |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 24th, 2010 at 2:26pm Riffhard wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 2:15pm:
EXTREME FUCKING SARCASM ALERT!!! thanks for the breaking news that energy companies have bought and sold governement policy... we would be fucking clueless without you telling us that. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 2:33pm
If they had been successful with this rig, gas would have been below a buck a gallon. There is the largest amount of oil ever discovered by man there. Sadly, it can't be stopped now. According to a friend
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 24th, 2010 at 2:40pm Pdog wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 2:26pm:
You're quite welcome, Pdog!! Now what's your take on Obummer and Co. completely punting any responsibilty on the clean up process? Do you think that had it been Bush you would forgive him for being MIA for over a month? While we're at it, what do you think about Obummer and Co. violating federal law by offering Joe Sestak a job in order to keep him from running for the Senate? Face it, I was right, and you and whole slew of other drones were wrong! Big time wrong! Ya can't say I didn't warn you. Obummer is the worst president in US history, and that includes James Buccanhan and Jimma Carter! And then there's this...... "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18" Health care? LOL! "Following passage of health care, enthusiasm for the president among Democrats soared. Today, however, just 49% of Democrats Strongly Approve of Obama’s performance. That’s down from a high of 65%. It remains to be seen whether this is a temporary aberration or the beginning of a lasting change. Sixty-three percent (63%) of voters nationwide favor repeal of the health care law. That’s the highest level of support for repeal yet measured." Hope and change? Hardly!! " Most Americans have “come to believe that the political system is broken, that most politicians are corrupt, and that neither major political party has the answers,” observes Scott Rasmussen. Forty-one percent (41%) of voters say that a group of people randomly selected from the phone book would do a better job than the current Congress." He sucks, and you drones voted for his Marxist ass! You own this moron! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 24th, 2010 at 2:44pm
Well the peace without political bullshit was nice while it lasted. :shutthefuckup :solongsucker :willya
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 24th, 2010 at 2:45pm
I am very unhappy with the attention that the Obama Admin is giving this disaster too.
Not sure how much they can do without "owning" the result though. It's a thousand times worse than they are letting on. Oil consumption has been negotiated for all developed nations (who gets what), for the coming decades. If the US was to move to another source for our energy needs, China would instantly get access to more oil, which is cheaper and thus their economy would skyrocket. So I don't see us cutting back on our own consumption anytime soon . . . But we really have to start talking about nuclear energy. A disaster would be worse for sure, but the energy is cleaner. Of course, the Dems will have to go it alone, with the current bat shit insane R's in Congress opposing everything. (They even oppose their own proposals) |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 2:55pm
Blame Obama first policy in full effect here.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 24th, 2010 at 3:03pm Some Guy wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 2:55pm:
Not in my book, however, h'es not making easy to think his admin are on the job, by allowing BP to dictate when progress is being made. Everything humanly possible should be placed in full battle mode now to handle this. If the US can go to the moon they should be able to go 5K @ the bottom of the ocean to repair this leak now, not later. 35 days is completely unacceptable. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 24th, 2010 at 3:16pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 2:44pm:
No, no, no, don't get me wrong. This won't turn into the political thread redux on my part. However, the blatant hypocrisy, and double standard had to be pointed out by me because I rallied against this piece of shit president for over 300 pages. Hell, I called him out when he was still just a second rate backbencher with a socialist streak a mile wide! The fact that I was 100% right about his complete leftarded ideological positions, and his total lack of experience is plain to see by everyone that is willing to be intellectually honest. Those that refuse to see the Marxist fool for what he truly is are intellectually dead to me. It's easy to slam BP (deservingly so, I might add), but to not be honest about the complete lack of any leadership coming from Obummer is just plain drone-like. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 3:16pm Nellcote wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 3:03pm:
can't be stopped by humans, too far down, too much pressure. Maybe August, possibly if relief well works. Obama knows this. Humanity fucked up. Watch more tap dancing to ensue. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 24th, 2010 at 3:31pm Riffhard wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 2:40pm:
you don't want to talk politics, but you sure are laying out bait, and asking me political questions... fuck that, i'm not biting... take the political crap elsewhere, the board has been a joy without it... i don't think it was completely banned here, but if you didn't get the message, then you're not as smart as you think you are... I don't give a fuck about anything poltics about this disaster... this is bad shit, this is a tragedy to the planet, and you want to talk about a guy you hate... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 24th, 2010 at 3:35pm Riffhard wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 3:16pm:
are you high? you don't want a poltical debate, and you post this political crap... i don't want to talk about sex... but... i like my dick, and i like to stick it inside a vagina, and i really like orgasm... and boobs... but let's not make this about sex.... Riffy, i wish i was mod, so i could actually be a dick with some effects here... talk about Exile, and don't be a douchebag... yes, i am smiling and laughing while i type, so it makes it ok, to talk like that too... welcome back... Exile is out... go to that thread. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 24th, 2010 at 7:10pm Pdog wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 3:35pm:
Pdog, it is ridiculous to try and take the politics out of this massive clusterfuck. I said that I would not turn this into the political thread redux. I won't. However, me pointing out the utter lack of leadership in regards to the current administration is perfectly understandable considering the insane amount of damage that this leak is going to cause. Meanwhile, Obummer and Co. have been sitting on their hands for over a month now! Again, I point to the Katrina example. Had this been Bush in office I can guarantee you that many on this very thread would be screaming bloody murder about the utter incompetency of the president. His relationship with big bad oil would be brought into question, and his lack of any game plan at all would be bitched about breathlessly, and endlessly. I am merely pointing out the blatant hypocrisy, and double standard. Are you trying to deny any of this? Obummer has the reverse Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to shit. I, of course, knew all of this a long long time ago. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 24th, 2010 at 8:19pm
The US Gov't needs to employ companies who can use different technology
to fight this oil & send all bills to BP. There are signs that Obama is going to have to spring into action very soon, despite his penchant for waiting for events to occur. Gov Jindal has been calling for Army Corp of Engineers for at least two weeks, he does not receive a reply. As the forecast of oil traveling up the US East Coast, this is now slowly becoming a National Security threat. Obama is not going to be able to afford to wait out for August for a drilling solution. He must view this event as an attack, place a battle hardened general in charge of this operation, chain BP scientists to report directly to this command center to make action happen. This is going on far too long. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 24th, 2010 at 9:21pm Riffhard wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 7:10pm:
I'm sorry, I confused your current comments with your past comments, must be because they are identical. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Brainbell Jangler on May 24th, 2010 at 9:42pm
There appears to be agreement that the private sector response is inadequate and that only government can solve the problem. The issue now is whether Rand Paul is right that Barack is too hard on Big Oil or whether Sarah Palin is right that Big Oil owns Barack. Oh yeah, perhaps they're both wrong (and bat-shit crazy to boot).
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 24th, 2010 at 9:47pm
spill baby spill
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 24th, 2010 at 10:17pm Nellcote wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 8:19pm:
That's a lot better than most ideas I've heard so far. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 25th, 2010 at 12:17am Brainbell Jangler wrote on May 24th, 2010 at 9:42pm:
Spoken just like a "True Believer", BJ. You're probabaly right. The government should just run everything, and then we can live happily ever after. I mean everything that the federal government touches turns out great, right? [smiley=rolleyes.gif] Eric Hoffer had your type pegged years ago. Ever read him? It was William F. Buckley who famously said- “I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.” Obummer is the ultimate Harvard leftwing arrogant ideological snobbish faculty member. He's screwing the pooch bigtime. It's best just to admit it and move on. Meanwhile, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is still waiting for the Obummer Admin. to do it's job. Barack's response? I gusss we'll know when spokesidiot Robert Gibbs tells us what it is! "As thick oil flows into the sensitive marshes of the Louisiana coast, Gov. Bobby Jindal called on the White House and BP today to either stop the oil spill or get out of his way. Gov. Bobby Jindal warns BP and the White House to help or get out of his way.Jindal is still waiting for the federal government to provide millions of feet in boom and to approve an emergency permit for a state plan to dredge and build new barrier islands to keep the oil from reaching the marshes and wetlands. Jindal is so desperate for the islands, he's said he'll build them even if it sends him to jail. "We've been frustrated with the disjointed effort to date that has too often meant too little, too late for the oil hitting our coast," Jindal said." http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-louisiana-governor-bobby-jindal-asks/story?id=10731680&page=1 Pathetic! Time to snap out of it, folks! You were duped. He's an ideological moron. He's an intellectual cul-de-sac, blinded by his radical views, and years of leftist propoganda. Truth hurts, I know, but there it is. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 25th, 2010 at 4:18am Riffhard wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 12:17am:
what a releif you've decided to post Stones again, and not a redux of the political crap you used to post. especially since it's what you said, you weren't going to do... are you bent on making Rocks Off suck? It was pretty nice, and already you're taking it to this angry place... can you just post Stones or shut the fuck up? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 25th, 2010 at 5:30am Pdog wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 4:18am:
Dog, Riffy is spot on about how Gov Jindal is getting stiffed by the Gov't-Army Corps of Engineers. He asked over two weeks ago for this protection for the marsh land & is getting jobbed. This whole mess will make Bush "Brownie" comment look like Romper Room once the oil makes it's way up the East Coast into the Potomac. Obama better get out of neutral & get going |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 25th, 2010 at 8:45am
bp's fucking up.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:54am Some Guy wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:45am:
The 60 Min piece with the survivor of the explosion was quite a revelation. He was part of the meeting when BP overruled the management team of the oil rig, to continue the drilling action despite the presence of a large amount of rubber debris, which was from the breakdown of a major safety coupling. I'm not oil rig saavy, and could have some of the detail wrong, however, the failure of the coupling was ignored by BP. The very next day, the day where BP was presented an award for drilling the world's deepest well, the explosion happened. This guy jumped off the rig during the explosion, 10 stories, into a swirling mass of oil & flames. He was rescued by some fishermen. He is one lucky dude. This interview is probably still on the 60 min site, it was really compelling. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on May 25th, 2010 at 9:04am
Very sad!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 25th, 2010 at 9:44am
" BP overruled the management team of the
oil rig, to continue the drilling action despite the presence of a large amount of rubber debris, which was from the breakdown of a major safety coupling ..... the explosion happened. This guy jumped off the rig during the explosion, 10 stories, into a swirling mass of oil & flames. " !!!! Nellcote .................................. You make young Carrie cry --- WHY ?! : www.thecarrieprejean.com |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 25th, 2010 at 10:05am
"... i like my dick, and i like to stick it inside a vagina, and i really like orgasm... and boobs... but let's not make this ... "
This makes Carrie very " Happy !!!! " http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Images/0/9/9/d/Atlanta_Falcons_vs_295a.JPG?adImageId=7442647&imageId=6115491 !!!! www.thecarrieprejean.com |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 25th, 2010 at 10:39am
Lock up the top US execs of BP until the leak is stopped and cleaned up and watch how fast they find a solution.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 25th, 2010 at 10:54am gimmekeef wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 10:39am:
Better yet,start fineing them a million dollars a day until the leak is stopped. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 25th, 2010 at 12:34pm
i'm thinking about getting involved in this thread.
should i, or should i just go read some soft porn? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 25th, 2010 at 1:40pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 10:54am:
Chump change I'm afraid which they would just pass on in higher gas prices. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 25th, 2010 at 6:19pm Starbuck wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 12:34pm:
Riffy is looking for some drones to shred. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 25th, 2010 at 8:04pm Some Guy wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 6:19pm:
does riffy seriously think that barryo is worse than james buchanan? did i hear him say that? cause that is....well...#@!$ing ridiculous! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:38pm Starbuck wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:04pm:
Well Buckofarve, he his blowing off a Gold Star breakfast for families of the fallen at the White House on Memorial Day. He is also blowing off the tradition of laying a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery. He's the commander and chief and some of the fallen died under his command by his orders. This so he can go to his house in Chicago. Could he do this another weekend? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 25th, 2010 at 10:32pm Nellcote wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:38pm:
Even worse. It took me an extra 5 minutes to get home tonight while I waited for him to pass by on his way into the city from SFO....Let's begin impeachment proceedings immediately. :blankfriggingstare1 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Brainbell Jangler on May 26th, 2010 at 12:43am Nellcote wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:38pm:
Didn't Dubya "blow off" the wreath tradition on at least one occasion? Ronald Raygun, too? I suppose Rush and Hannity didn't mention that. :nanker |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Brainbell Jangler on May 26th, 2010 at 1:00am Riffhard wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 12:17am:
The strawman cometh. I have never suggested that government can perform all tasks; though there are some tasks to which it is best suited (military defense, policing, firefighting, road building, education, health insurance, etc.). What I pointed out was the irony of you "government is the problem" Raygunauts bitching because Barack wasn't taking over from BP fast enough. As for your all-too-familiar screed against the President, let's just say that the shit doesn't fall far from the bat. Informed commentators already place Barack among the most consequential Presidents such as FDR, LBJ and (yes) Ronald Reagan. You may not like it, Riffy, and inside your reactionary information cocoon it may even seem absurd; but out here in the real world, Barack Obama is well on his way to a big place in history--for the good. You like playing the prediction game (despite your utter lack of success at it), so here's a few of mine: 1) Democrats will recapture the House seat in Hawaii in November; 2) Harry Reid wins re-election; 3) Scott Brown loses in the Republican primary in 2012 to a Douche Bagger (excuse me, Douche Partier); 4) Dems retain control of both Houses of Congress in November. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 26th, 2010 at 8:18am
still ain't capped
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 26th, 2010 at 9:02am
Clean up workers already feeling the effects of the toxins that they are handling.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 26th, 2010 at 3:42pm
worst disaster short of a war or pandemic, or earthquake. it'll take mother earth years upon years to recover from this one.
anyone who drives a car is guilty. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 26th, 2010 at 3:52pm
Starbunkle, tell your kids the gulf coast was beautiful.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 26th, 2010 at 4:22pm
god damn fucking political thread...
now we just need a a religion thread and a let's shred your asshole til you bleed thread... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 26th, 2010 at 6:31pm
Here's a link to a live video of the "top kill" process, not that you can really see anything:
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/view_live_video_feed_of_bp_gul.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 26th, 2010 at 7:58pm
I feel it will work.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on May 27th, 2010 at 7:28am
Cousteau Jr.: 'This Is a Nightmare... a Nightmare'
Tue May 25, 11:01AM PT - ABC News 4:28 | 680254 views Philippe Cousteau Jr. and Sam Champion take hazmat dive into Gulf's oily waters. http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/cousteau-jr-this-is-a-nightmare-a-nightmare-20009724 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 27th, 2010 at 7:45am
The top kill didn't work?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 27th, 2010 at 8:21am
did the mayan's predict this?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 27th, 2010 at 8:45am
Critical Perspective
At BP's West Houston complex, there's a command center filled with personnel from around the industry working with BP engineers. Several drill ships are in place. Tons of workboats are on site. There are 5 or more ROVs roaming the wellhead monitoring and cleaning things up. They're already bumping into each other because they normally work solo while tied to a ship by a mile long umbilical cable. They don't need more ROVs down there adding to the traffic. All these efforts are reported heavily in the Houston Chronicle and nola.com, but doesn't seem to get much for national coverage. If you only monitor the national coverage, you'd think BP is going it alone while we all sit by, but the reality is this is an industry-wide effort because we all know what's at stake. On having Obama "do more," WTF is he supposed to do? Everybody seems to be calling for more fire in his belly and scary, threatening speeches. What does that accomplish? It's like people want him to do a dramatic speech like post-9/11 about bringing the criminals to justice. It does nothing to actually plug the damn well. The government does not have the expertise to do more to stop this gusher. It's in BPs interest to stop the gusher. All the conspiracy theories about wanting to preserve the well for future production are technically wrong and ignore that NOBODY in the industry benefits from this gusher continuing. BP wants what everybody else wants, though I'll concede that I suspect dispersants are about killing life where it's less easily photographed. Dispersants aside, the only conflict of interest is regarding the causes of the blowout, not the capping of the well. Fed investigations are already taking care of that part. On the pace, I'm pissed because I thought top kill should have been the first thing they tried after the ROVs failed to close the BOP. The reason for delay was partly because it looked like a war zone down there initially due to all the debris from a mile long riser coming down with the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon. So there was cleanup to make everything accessible. Also, one issue with the top kill is that it does have some risk of making the leak worse by eroding whatever blockages exist to limit the blowout rate. It could also overpressure the wellhead to open up new leaks upstream of the current ones. My guess is they wanted a better understanding on the chance of success before taking those risks. Anyway, here we are. I'm hoping like hell 50 gpm is enough to get this done. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/critical_perspective.php?ref=fpblg |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 27th, 2010 at 8:59am fuman wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 8:45am:
that makes me seel a little better, thanks. Too much negativity out there. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 27th, 2010 at 9:12am Some Guy wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 8:59am:
Yep, I agree. It made me feel much better about the situation too. Sad comment on the dispersant though. I read that the top kill seems to have worked. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 27th, 2010 at 9:15am
"I read that the top kill seems to have worked"
Really? Great! Time to put a large amount of people to work cleaning it up. It you have time to lean, you have time to clean. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 27th, 2010 at 9:33am
>>I read that the top kill seems to have worked.<<
So far it's working. They've pumped a bunch of mud in there, but still need to cap it off with concrete. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 27th, 2010 at 9:40am fuman wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 9:12am:
Well their are still some things the government can do. Allow the locals to build sandberms to keep the oil out. Put up more booms. Make sure they don't wash ashore and let the local fisheman know what areas are safe to fish and what's not. Hopefully the top kill will work. But thier is always more they can do. I saw retired general Russell Honore' on CNN this morning. He's the guy they should put in charge. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 27th, 2010 at 11:31am
god i hope they stop this oil from coming out...
for life and our future... what a releif it will be, to at least be able to just clean up, without more oil polluting.... so much is dying, it hurts my insides, and makes me sad... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on May 27th, 2010 at 12:38pm
BP has done far more damage to this country than any terrorist could dream of, yet BP's execs are free to live their lives. . .unbelievable.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 27th, 2010 at 12:39pm
Journalist: I don't wanna hear about no motherfuckin' ifs. All I wanna hear from your ass is, You ain't got no problem. I'm on the motherfucker. Go back out there, chill them journalists out and wait for the calvary which should be coming directly.
Obama: You ain't got no problem, journalists. I'm on the motherfucker. Go back out there, chill them journalists out and wait for Adm Allen who should be coming directly. Journalist: You sending Adm Allen? Obama: Oh, you feel better, motherfucker? Journalist: Shit, Obama, that's all you had to say. . . . . . Adm Allen: That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 27th, 2010 at 12:40pm
This press conference is a joke. I'm not happy with our leadership on this.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 27th, 2010 at 1:53pm monkey_man wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 12:38pm:
I ain't none too happy with BP myself, but you're actually comparing BP with terrorism? Do you know how many people have been intentionally murdered by terrorists? Does 9/11 ring a bell? :forfucksake |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on May 27th, 2010 at 3:48pm Edith Grove wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 1:53pm:
Damn straight! In terms of disruption to this country, no terrorist attack has ever come close to this size of economic and enviromental damage wreaked by this negligence. The Valdez spill was 21 years ago and 4 times smaller and there is still oil in the sand there. Bin Laden wishes he could he could have as lasting an effect. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 27th, 2010 at 3:57pm Edith Grove wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 1:53pm:
if you read back, Nellie said we should treat this as an attack on our country and utulize the miltary as if... didn't seem to ruffle you like monkey Man's comment.... hmmm...! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 27th, 2010 at 4:26pm
BP (NYSE:BP) has temporarily halted their attempt to "Top Kill" or plug the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico, saying there was far too much drilling fluid escaping while being injected into the well.
The assumption is they are revamping their techniques and will continue on once they're satisfied. A technician stated it wasn't a major challenge, and "We're still quite optimistic. It is not assured and its not a done deal yet. All of this will require some time." Plans are to continue pumping the fluid around midnight local time. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 27th, 2010 at 7:13pm
Pump baby pump. :pukey
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 27th, 2010 at 7:39pm
"Plans are to continue pumping the fluid around midnight local time."
Hmmmm, that sounds like Joey's plan too . . . |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 27th, 2010 at 7:56pm Pdog wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 3:57pm:
This must be what you're talking about: >>Obama is not going to be able to afford to wait out for August for a drilling solution. He must view this event as an attack, place a battle hardened general in charge of this operation, chain BP scientists to report directly to this command center to make action happen. This is going on far too long. << Nellcote is talking about using the military to help stop the leak, Monkey Man talks as if BP intentionally created this disaster. You, Pdog, talk as if I'm taking sides in this matter. I think Nellie has an idea that should be considered, but I think MM went a bit overboard in his analogy. I believe that every means reasonable and possible should be used to stop the leak, then prosecute all responsible parties who are found at fault, whether that be BP, Haliburton, MMS or whoever else was involved in that operation. Somehow, though, I don't see premeditated mass murder as being one of the charges that will be brought up. [smiley=rolleyes.gif] |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 27th, 2010 at 7:57pm fuman wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 7:39pm:
:wow |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 27th, 2010 at 8:09pm Edith Grove wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 7:56pm:
Edith, you have brought forward my thoughts completely. There needs to be a tough sum o bitch now on hand to deal with this. The upcoming Presidential photo op is far too little-too late. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 27th, 2010 at 9:02pm Edith Grove wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 7:56pm:
I posted an email that was sent to TPM regarding the situation earlier today. It mentioned that everybody that is knowledgeable in this type of thing is already on board. Has been since day one. The military wouldn't have a clue. All they can do is blow things up and kill. I want to see the MMS in front of a Congressional panel, but when I think about it, what can we reasonably expect from Congress. We're all fucking serfs. All that matters is money. There will be no punishment of the guilty. Meanwhile, today 150 high school kids were sentenced to 5 years in jail for selling pot to their friends. 5 years they won't get back, and their friends? They bought pot from someone else. Tomorrow? 150 more. It's fucking insane. We're all teabaggers now. Vote !!!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 27th, 2010 at 9:44pm
Edith, you have brought forward my thoughts completely.
There needs to be a tough sum o bitch now on hand to deal with this. The upcoming Presidential photo op is far too little-too late Nellie I agree with the above sentiments. As I mentioned this morning on this thread. I think the retired general who made a name for himself during Katrina. Russell Honore' would be a good man for the job.....He certainly seems to fit the tough sumabitch descrpition anyway. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by lotsajizz on May 28th, 2010 at 3:07am
Bobby Jindal doesn't like "Big Guv'mint", but he doesn't mind asking them to get him out of the mess his big oil buddies got him into. ....
I asssume the irony in this is lost to those on the right. :aimama |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:24am lotsajizz wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:07am:
Seems like big oil buddies have bestowed O with donations to his coffers as well. It's ok for Rhody to ask for federal aid in April for the flooding-it's what states do... Jindal's problems will dwarf any which this country has seen Oh, and for those keeping score..... O has been to the Gulf 2 times in 39 days vs. Bush visited the Gulf 7 times in 36 days. Go figure? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on May 28th, 2010 at 9:42am [/quote] We're all fucking serfs. All that matters is money. There will be no punishment of the guilty. Meanwhile, today 150 high school kids were sentenced to 5 years in jail for selling pot to their friends. 5 years they won't get back, and their friends? They bought pot from someone else. Tomorrow? 150 more. It's fucking insane. [/quote] No shit...if we brought and 18 wheeler filled with old air conditioners and refrigerators and dumped it in the Gulf, we would be arrested. It looks like this crime will go unpunished. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 28th, 2010 at 10:18am
Sounds contradictory to me, but MSNBC is reporting the oil flow is stopped, but "success" of the operation won't be known for another 48 hours:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37394541/ns/gulf_oil_spill |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 28th, 2010 at 10:21am Nellcote wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:24am:
While agree more visits would be nice, they wouldn't fix anything... I think it's really funny you guys want to comapre Bush's mismanagement to Obama's mismanagement... There hasn't been a mass human displacement or disruption to infrastructure... This problem doesn't require the same solution, b/c it is a different and far worse in some ways event. The blame for this isn't about the reaction and response, the blame is with those who weren't safe and ignored their responsibilites, and we can't change what has happened, and we know, that those responsible will get away with it... I know it's always fun to make this a partisan issue... blame goes directly to govt., govt. agencies and BP and all the subsidiaries and contractors... there's no political party more or less to blame... the fucked upidness is evenly spread, and it's a shit sandwhich we are all eating it... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 28th, 2010 at 10:22am
" today 150 high school kids were sentenced to 5 years in jail for selling pot to their friends. 5 years they won't get back, and their friends? They bought pot from someone else. Tomorrow? 150 more. It's fucking insane. "
Bingo ....... this makes Carrie Cry !!!! : !!!! www.thecarrieprejean.com |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 28th, 2010 at 10:22am Edith Grove wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 10:18am:
This would a be something to celebrate, however briefly, if the bleeding is stopped... now onto safing the planet... the patient who is dying in front of us!!! which is actually Us! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 28th, 2010 at 10:27am
The crime here is that no one ever thought with hundreds of rigs offshore anything as gross as this would happen. It was only a matter of time. Like why was there no master emergency plan in place that kicked in within 24 hours? Ludicris that all concerned from bigoil to govt's at every level assumed this could never happen or chose to keep taking the money and worry about it later. Where are all the "drill baby drill" drones now? And we sit and play the blame game between white house and BP when in fact there all assholes just waiting to let another disaster cripple our country.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 28th, 2010 at 10:30am gimmekeef wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 10:27am:
Regulation, the dirty word some folks don't like... and if it was actually enforced.... maybe there's a really weird irony, that those who are calling for the Federal Govt. to lead the charge and take control, are the same voices that say Federal Govt. is trying to take charge and takeover.... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 28th, 2010 at 11:04am
NEW ORLEANS – A thick, 22-mile plume of oil discovered by researchers off the BP spill site was nearing an underwater canyon, where it could poison the foodchain for sealife in the waters off Florida.
The discovery by researchers on the University of South Florida College of Marine Science's Weatherbird II vessel is the second significant undersea plume reported since the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 20. The plume is more than 6 miles wide and its presence was reported Thursday. The cloud was nearing a large underwater canyon whose currents fuel the foodchain in Gulf waters off Florida and could potentially wash the tiny plants and animals that feed larger organisms in a stew of toxic chemicals, another researcher said Friday. Larry McKinney, executive director of the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi, said the DeSoto Canyon off the Florida Panhandle sends nutrient-rich water from the deep sea up to shallower waters. McKinney said that in a best-case scenario, oil riding the current out of the canyon would rise close enough to the surface to be broken down by sunlight. But if the plume remains relatively intact, it could sweep down the west coast of Florida as a toxic soup as far as the Keys, through what he called some of the most productive parts of the Gulf. The plume was detected just beneath the surface down to about 3,300 feet, said David Hollander, associate professor of chemical oceanography at USF. Hollander said the team detected the thickest amount of hydrocarbons, likely from the oil spewing from the blown out well, at about 1,300 feet in the same spot on two separate days this week. The discovery was important, he said, because it confirmed that the substance found in the water was not naturally occurring and that the plume was at its highest concentration in deeper waters. The researchers will use further testing to determine whether the hydrocarbons they found are the result of dispersants or the emulsification of oil as it traveled away from the well. The first such plume detected by scientists stretched from the well southwest toward the open sea, but this new undersea oil cloud is headed miles inland into shallower waters where many fish and other species reproduce. The researchers say they are worried these undersea plumes may be the result of the unprecedented use of chemical dispersants to break up the oil a mile undersea at the site of the leak. Hollander said the oil they detected has dissolved into the water, and is no longer visible, leading to fears from researchers that the toxicity from the oil and dispersants could pose a big danger to fish larvae and creatures that filter the waters for food. "There are two elements to it," Hollander said. "The plume reaching waters on the continental shelf could have a toxic effect on fish larvae, and we also may see a long term response as it cascades up the food web." Dispersants contain surfactants, which are similar to dishwashing soap. A Louisiana State University researcher who has studied their effects on marine life said that by breaking oil into small particles, surfactants make it easier for fish and other animals to soak up the oil's toxic chemicals. That can impair the animals' immune systems and cause reproductive problems. "The oil's not at the surface, so it doesn't look so bad, but you have a situation where it's more available to fish," said Kevin Kleinow, a professor in LSU's school of veterinary medicine. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 28th, 2010 at 11:12am sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 11:04am:
Remember when that fat drug addict who has a talk radio show accused left wing eco-terrorists of blowing up the rig, thne later said that the oil was natural and the sea would just take care of itself and absorb it naturally...? He's a funny guy! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 28th, 2010 at 2:59pm Pdog wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 10:21am:
This is the natural truth, not partisan. Hey, when Jim Carville turns on the President of his party, it's all gone. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 28th, 2010 at 3:04pm
WWL radio in New Orleans is reporting that people in hazmat suits were bussed in to Grand Isle for Obama to see "cleaning the beach."
It's also reported that those same people were bussed away again after Obama's departure. http://www.wwl.com/ |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 28th, 2010 at 3:22pm Nellcote wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 2:59pm:
Isn't Jim from NOLA or nearby... probably hits close to home... I heard some of his comments yesterday. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 28th, 2010 at 3:53pm
so is Obama's photo op over so the real work can re-start?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:56pm Pdog wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:22pm:
Yes indeed he is from the area. Here's hoping O does an about face for the poor people of this region, and for that matter the country. Where the spill happened is Federal land, so more should be happening quicker. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 28th, 2010 at 3:57pm
>>Isn't Jim from NOLA<<
Uptown NOLA, to be exact. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 28th, 2010 at 4:48pm Nellcote wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:56pm:
since we obviously aren't prepared and this is huge in terms of devistation... so what is more and is quicker actually possible, if you don't have an ability to begin with? i'm no expert on oil spills, and it seems even the experts don't know what to do... with Katrina, we had civilians in places, with a means to get people assistance, and we were slow... in this case, i'm not sure what it is exactly you think should be happening... as fas as I can tell, we aren't very prepared, you can't do unprepared quicker.... I'm sure in a few weeks and months, many of us will have learned more, and be able to say, like we know now, what should have happened... get my drift...? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on May 28th, 2010 at 4:51pm
Where's the friggin Press? Why aren't they up there in planes/helicopters over the site? Where are all the photographs? Our Press is shameful, they have NO BALLS!!!!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 28th, 2010 at 5:19pm Bingo wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 4:51pm:
You need to read this. http://www.newsweek.com/2010/05/26/the-missing-oil-spill-photos.html BP's Photo Blockade of the Gulf Oil Spill As BP makes its latest attempt to plug its gushing oil well, news photographers are complaining that their efforts to document the slow-motion disaster in the Gulf of Mexico are being thwarted by local and federal officials—working with BP—who are blocking access to the sites where the effects of the spill are most visible. More than a month into the disaster, a host of anecdotal evidence is emerging from reporters, photographers, and TV crews in which BP and Coast Guard officials explicitly target members of the media, restricting and denying them access to oil-covered beaches, staging areas for clean-up efforts, and even flyovers. Last week, a CBS TV crew was threatened with arrest when attempting to film an oil-covered beach. On Monday, Mother Jones published this firsthand account of one reporter’s repeated attempts to gain access to clean-up operations on oil-soaked beaches, and the telling response of local law enforcement. The latest instance of denied press access comes from Belle Chasse, La.-based Southern Seaplane Inc., which was scheduled to take a New Orleans Times-Picayune photographer for a flyover on Tuesday afternoon, and says it was denied permission once BP officials learned that a member of the press would be on board. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on May 28th, 2010 at 6:05pm
That's the article that sparked my outrage. Who the fuck is BP to dictate where The Press may and may not go. These should be international waters?
....AND, if BP telling The Press "No access" then why isn't the Press saying.."Fuck you, you can't tell us what to do!!!" The Gulf of Mexico is not private property. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 28th, 2010 at 6:25pm Bingo wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 6:05pm:
I have heard speculation that BP doesn't want the same public relations nightmare that Exxon faced when millions of dead creatures started washing up on the shore. That fits in with the theory of BP telling the White House they will continue to use the more harmful dispersant. Kill the creatures out in the gulf and less will float to the shores. I think the media people should record the warning they are hearing, that they will be arrested if they don't leave. Put that on the fucking 5:00 news. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on May 28th, 2010 at 6:25pm Pdog wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 3:57pm:
Edith, If you read post, the operative word I used was negligence. In your confabulation, the words used are intentional and premeditated. See the difference? If you or I caused an accident with our car (through negligence) that killed 11 people and (somehow) wreaked untold economic and an environmental damage, we would see the inside of a jail cell. We would remain there until at least until a bail hearing or potentially until our trial. the BP execs are free point fingers at others and live their lives as they did the day before the rig explosion. MM |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on May 28th, 2010 at 6:32pm lotsajizz wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:07am:
Yep the very same Bobby Jindal that opposed the stimulus money but took it anyway and scored points for this for this photo op: http://thinkprogress.org/?p=51962 To quote the former couchmaster, Tee to Hee |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on May 28th, 2010 at 6:35pm
More reasons for the BP execs to rot in jail while this mess is settled:
http://blogs.chron.com/newswatchenergy/archives/2010/05/engineer_recoun.html Today's Louisiana hearing: Argument on rig (updated) Douglas Brown, chief mechanic on the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig, testified today that BP and Transocean officials argued on the morning of the April 20 explosion over procedures to take place that day. One senior Transocean official who disagreed with BP's planned procedures on the day of the explosion expressed fatalistic resignation following a dispute with BP aboard the rig, Brown said. What Brown described as a "skirmish" broke out during a daily planning meeting and involved BP's representative on the rig it leased from Transocean, known as the "company man," and Transocean's toolpusher, driller and offshore installation manager, he said. "I remember the company man saying this is how it's going to be," Brown testified at a joint Coast Guard and Minerals Management Service hearing in Kenner, La. Jimmy Harrell, Transocean's offshore installation manager, complained in the hallway as he left an 11 a.m. meeting in which BP overruled Transocean officials over those procedures, Brown testified. "He pretty much grumbled, I guess that's what we have those pinchers for," Brown recounted, referring to seal-off valves on the sea floor that are designed to shut in the well in the event of an emergency. The testimony supports previous eyewitness accounts that suggest BP overruled Transocean on aspects of the operation in the hours preceding the 10 p.m. well blowout and explosion on the Deepwater Horizon that killed 11 workers and touched off a massive oil spill. When the explosion occurred, Brown said, he was thrown against a control panel in the engine room and then dropped in a hole in the floor opened by the blast. Upon trying to get up, a second blast knocked him back down in the hole and the ceiling collapsed on him. After reaching the main deck, he described scenes of "complete chaos." He later escaped and was evacuated to Mobile, Ala., and treated for injuries. --Brett Clanton |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 28th, 2010 at 6:59pm
BP buses additional clean-up crews to Grand Isle for Obama's visit
By Richard Rainey, The Times-Picayune May 28, 2010, 4:19PM David Grunfeld/The Times-Picayune Oil cleanup workers line Louisiana 1 in Grand Isle on Friday as the motorcade of President Barack Obama passes. BP, the oil company taking flak for its inconsistent response to the massive oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico, bused in 400 extra cleanup workers to Grand Isle during President Obama's visit today, Jefferson Parish Council Chairman John Young said. "It appears to have been a PR stunt by BP, not to say we don't appreciate the extra participation," Young said. "We certainly need them, but we don't need them for just one day that happens to coincide with a visit from the president." Obama made his second visit today to Louisiana's oil-stricken coast, stopping in Grand Isle and Port Fourchon. Young said he saw the workers dressed in red shirts, blue jeans and black shrimp boots mulling across the beaches and in the mess hall during the president's appearance. They were uniformed in a way "which you don't normally see workers dressed like that," Young said. After Obama's departure, Young said, the work crews all but vanished. "This is a total shame that a mockery has been made of this visit by the executives of BP," Councilman Chris Roberts said. "What we want to make clear (is) if they're going to send them, then send them everyday, not just on the day of the president's visit," Councilman Tom Capella said. BP spokesman Mike Abendhoff denied it was done solely for publicity. "Obviously, it's unfortunate that that's what people are thinking," Abendhoff said. "We're not sending people for PR stunts.We're sending people to clean up this oil." Abendhoff said the additional workers are part of BP's efforts gradually to increase its presence on Louisiana beaches to meet the incoming oil. "We've continued to add resources every day," he said. Donald Nalty, the chief operating officer of Environment, Safety, Health, Inc., the subcontractor that hired the workers, said Friday that the additional force in Grand Isle and Fourchon was part of a ramping up that will likely continue. He said the decision to bring on the additional workers was made May 23, before the president's visit was announced. Nalty said 300 workers had been cleaning Grand Isle and 150 cleaning Fourchon. On Friday 400 additional workers were added in Grand Isle and an additional 100 to Fourchon, Nalty said. "It had nothing to do with the president coming to town,'' Nalty said. "It was 100-percent coincidental. All the allegations to the contrary are false.'' Young stopped short of saying Jefferson Parish officials were frustrated with BP's response to a disaster that has affected more than 100 miles of coastline. But he noted that parish officials commandeered idle BP-hired vessels last week to begin skimming oil that had traveled into Barataria Bay. He said there appears to be a disconnect between the oil company and the Coast Guard, which is in charge of the response effort. "I would compare BP today to FEMA after Katrina," Young said, recalling the halting response of the federal emergency agency in the days following the 2005 hurricane. http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/bp_ships_in_clean-up_crews_to.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 28th, 2010 at 8:02pm
you know those guys are from a temp agency, I heard they get twelve an hour. They gotta cap that puppy soon. I guess the pressure at that depth makes it tough, no stupid to do. This ain't Obama's Katrina it's his 911.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 28th, 2010 at 9:18pm
This ain't seen very often.
A front page editorial addressed to Mr. Obama by the Times-Picayune of New Orleans: http://www.newseum.org/media/dfp/pdf28/LA_TP.pdf |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 28th, 2010 at 10:24pm fuman wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 6:25pm:
Well it's not like they're exactly getting a lot of good publicity now. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Jumping Jack on May 29th, 2010 at 6:14am
So when will Obummer hire a bunch of illegals to clean up the mess so he can claim he is creating jobs while courting the Latino vote? Come on Rahm, let no crisis go to waste, this is a real political opportunity for the Harvard genius!!!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 29th, 2010 at 11:31am fuman wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 9:02pm:
What a piece of shit thing to say. Hey fumnman....GO FUCK YOURSELF you little fucking tool! My whole family is military, and I can motherfucking promise you that my family alone has done infinitely more good for this nation than Barry Obama (it's not even close, in fact!!!), or any of you goddamned limpwristed lib fucksticks! I was at Arlington last week as my uncle was laid to rest with full military honors, and a horse drawn caisson. There were over 50 members of the honor guard on hand, and a 21 gun salute as well! To a man and woman these guys, and gals, had more honor and integrity than the entire Obummer Admin. by leaps and bounds. That you would say something so disparaging about the very military that has fought, and died in order for you to have the right to say such stupid fucking shit makes me sick to my stomach. All the military can do is blow things up, and kill?!?!?! Hey douche bag, how many schools, parks, and playgrounds has the military opened in Iraq?! How many little girls in Afghanistan can now attend school for the very first time in their lives because of the job our military has done?!?!?! How many people have been liberated by our military over the decades?!?! Why do the French still speak French, and not German?!?!?! You can kiss my ass you stupid little ingrate. That you would denigrate these men and women is sickening! On this Memorial Day weekend you should be on your hands and knees polishing the boots of the men and woman who have bravely offered to serve their nation in uniform while you sit behind a keyboard and pass your stupid pansy assed liberal judgement. They have infinitely more courage than a little liberal fuckstick like you could ever muster. I pray that we never meet in person. It would be a very bad day. That much I can promise you. You sniveling little piece of shit. You're a moron, and I don't give two flying fucks how harsh that sounds. You shit on this nation's history. You constantly slam people of faith, and you go out of your way to besmirch the members of this society that have more courage in the little fingers than you do in your entire family tree! You, Obummer, and the rest of the liberal cocksuckers are all the same! You hate the true history, and legacy of the United States, and you want to change it to fit your stupid little shortsighted liberal paradigm! Well guess what funman? Your liberal wetdream of a socialist nirvana is about to get completely flushed down the shitter come November, and it can't get here fast enough. Hard and fast you Obama voting moron! Hard and motherfucking fast!!! God Bless the US Military! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 29th, 2010 at 11:59am
tell us howe you really feel, riffboot!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 29th, 2010 at 1:12pm Riffhard wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:31am:
My comment was regarding how to stop the spill. You go out of your way to interpret it as hate of the military.. You can't possibly know what my profession is, so how can you assume that I don't support the military? I stand by my comment. Why don't you tell us what the military could do to stop the spill? I am truly sorry for your loss and for all of the men and women that have died in the services. But I feel no need to prove that to you. And I don't need you to prove anything to me. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 29th, 2010 at 1:41pm
could the army corps of engineers help?
shit...too bad they can't just evacuate everybody and then toss a match on the whole goddamned thing! make for a nice weenie roast. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 29th, 2010 at 2:04pm Riffhard wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:31am:
Classy as usual riffy. :nanker |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 29th, 2010 at 2:31pm Starbuck wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 1:41pm:
They can't. This is super high tech stuff. They're not trained. As bad as the disaster is, we will continue to drill deep wells in the ocean. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 29th, 2010 at 2:49pm Riffhard wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:31am:
why do you go out of your way to make this place hostile and lame? if all you want to do here is fight and argue, there's alot of websites that will welcome you... the tone of this thread wasn't anything near what you just posted... you know that saying, with all due respect? well i ain't going to use it... b/c you get no respect. i though long and hard about how thinga get mean around here. you start it, just like this, been doing it for years, and when you don't post, it's so much nicer... you should consider leaving or not posting this politcal hateful crap... you have zero respect for this board or the rolling stones... in other words, you start this stuff, so just leave or stop... cause you and this shit are lame. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 29th, 2010 at 5:20pm
CNN reporting now that the "top kill" method of plugging the leaking well has failed and will look for another approach.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 29th, 2010 at 8:43pm
I found this- take it with a grain of salt :-?
Yet another crock from BP. Tell the truth. It was a secret project cooked up by Cheney at the infamous closed door energy policy meeting to drill a 5 foot diameter casing pipe and a 21" drilling pipe some 35,000 feet into an inexhaustible, 25,000 square mile supply of oil under the Gulf. They had planned on getting 200,000 to 500,000 barrels a day from it. The goal was to get us off of foreign oil, so they didn't want the enviromentalists to find out because of the safety questions they would have raised to stop the project. But the pressure was too great and here we are facing doomsday http://theburningplatform.com/blog/2010/05/14/volcano-of-oil |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 29th, 2010 at 8:51pm
can we blame bush for this one?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 29th, 2010 at 8:57pm Starbuck wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 8:51pm:
what we do™ |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 29th, 2010 at 9:05pm Some Guy wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 8:57pm:
staying late tonight, eh? don't forget to have gazza sign your time card. next week pay day is friday. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 29th, 2010 at 9:10pm
I'm tapping out
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 29th, 2010 at 9:16pm Some Guy wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 8:43pm:
is the world ending...? what a sobering article, about how much oil is coming out and how it reacts to in the water from 5,000 feet down... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 29th, 2010 at 11:14pm Pdog wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 2:49pm:
Pdog, I'm gonna walk you through this, okay? You seemingly have zero problem in your relationship with funman. That's perfectly understandable, I guess. Politically you are both far left of center in your thinking. Well yippee dippidee fucking doo for you guys! Some people get stuck on stupid. I get it. However this guy is such a little wimp because he always tries to deflect any anger that he, and he alone, elicits because of his very offensive comments about stuff that he has zero understanding of. Namely Christianity, and the military. His attitude towards both of these institutions is limited to his liberal/progressive stereotypical world view. There is no real intellect at work here with funman. He has a solid liberal core value system that he works within. Anything that does not fit into his very narrow myopic progressive (LOL! What an oxymoron that term has become!) framework is worthy of ridicule as far as he's concerned. Thus all the Tea Party attendees are backwards backwood, redneck Bible thumpers, and by golly, they might even own guns! Oh, my! Pretty fucking simpleton way to think if you ask me, but hey, I'm not the moron progressive here, am I? Let me spell it out. I don't like the guy for shit. Now, that said, I've never met him. I hope that I never do. But for well over a year now this guy has been slamming Christians, or anyone that believes in anything greater than the clueless fuckstain that we have in the White House right now. He has gone out of his way to make damned sure that everyone knows that those that practice their religious beliefs are somehow not has enlightened, or (dare I say it?), as progressive as he is. He has shown an open disdain for the military. Men and woman that have far more spine than he'll ever have! My family, both immediate and extended, has a very long and very distinguished history in the US military dating back to before the Civil War. My father was a full bird colonel in the Air Force during Vietnam, and was a CO at a training base in Korat, Thailand. I grew up in Bangkok during my elementary years. My grandfather on my dad's side was a.........wait for it..................a Presbyterian minister! Not only that, but he too, was a colonel. He was a chaplain in the Army, and was one of the first American "men of cloth" inside Berlin after the victory over Hitler in 1945. In fact one of the 7th Army commanders gave my grandfather a full set of crystal water goblets that were "liberated" from the villa of Hermann Goering. We still have all eight of them. Gee, I guess my grandfather is doubly fucked in funamn's eyes, huh?! My uncle was just laid to rest last week at Arlington National Cemetery in DC. ( He was instrumental in developing the bombardier sighting system in the B-52 bomber, and he also helped design the first ever "smart weapon" systems back in the late 1960's, and early 1970's.) There was a full Honor Guard to escort his horse drawn caisson through the cemetery. Over 50 upright men and women of the US Air Force were members of the honor guard, and band. There was also a 21 gun salute, and, of course, the bugler who played taps. To date 26 members of my family have been laid to rest at Arlington. I could go on , and on, but suffice to say that I have lived the military life for a good portion of my life, and have been surrounded by great patriots for my entire life. On my father's side there were also more than a few that chose to lead the life of the ministry. To come on this thread and see this little know nothing fuckstick degrade men and women that are miles ahead of him on every level is more than a little disturbing. It pisses me off, and for good reason! I watched my dad get spit on at the airport back in 1972 when we arrived home from Thailand. He, being a man of honor, chose to ignore the scumbag that spit on him. I have never forgotten that experience. I haven't the patience to deal with this little Jane Fonda wannabe! I tell him exactly what I think, and if you think that that is "hostile and lame" then so be it! Walk a mile in my shoes, Pdog! Surround yourself with the people in my life. Really understand what it means to serve with honor, and not just bitch and moan about how shitty you think America is. In closing let me sum it up succinctly. I know for an absolute fact that not one liberal on this board has the courage, the intellect, the wisdom, or the love of nation that the military members of my family have. I don't give a fuck if you went to Harvard, of East Bumblefuck Community College. I'll take your pathetic Harvard sheepskin, and raise you 2 lieutenant generals, one major general, two Rear Admirals, a whole slew of full bird, and Lieutenant Colonels, and dozens of Majors, Captains, and all ranks in between. Not to mention at least three ministers (two Presbyterian, one Methodist) in my lifetime. All of them, down to a man and woman, are members of my family. In fact every single one of them has more integrity than, not only all of the liberals on this board, but the entire Obummer Administration as well. Obama, and his band of leftist morons come up well short when measured against military families! Well short! Now do you understand why I tell funman to fuck off on a regular basis?! If he wants civility from me then perhaps he should watch his fucking mouth! Constanly ripping Christians, and the military may not offend a liberal like you, Pdog, but I take it to heart. He's talking about my family!!! Now, feel free to take the last word. You always do. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 30th, 2010 at 7:47am Riffhard wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:14pm:
he didn't say anything warranting your foul response. saying the army kills and blows things up was an abvious joke. I don't have some special relationship with him, and you're an asshole... you need to apologize for gonig off or leave this place. No one did shit to you, and you're the reason things get so foul and heated, it is obvious, your intent is to turn this thread into the one the got shut down, no one else has. Just you taking all this time to justify yourself, shows that your deleuded self centered and think we are all below you... why you even want to post here, is only b/c you feel this need to attack those you deem inferior. Do you think anyone enjoys reading your hate? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 30th, 2010 at 8:07am
another hijacked thread .......
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 30th, 2010 at 8:45am
riffsmack: it's good for what ails you.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 30th, 2010 at 9:22am gimmekeef wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 8:07am:
needs to be shutdown, and a no politics policy should probably be put in place... otherwise this place is going to suck, and we will def. not attract new Stones fans and scare off the old ones... which is effin' lame, no matter where you fall politically, that is fucking lame!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 30th, 2010 at 10:07am Pdog wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 9:22am:
what about those of us who can discuss politics without an aneurysm? and why can't you just ignore him? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on May 30th, 2010 at 10:31am
" what about those of us who can discuss politics without an aneurysm?
and why can't you just ignore him? " !!!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 30th, 2010 at 10:40am
Look all I did was say what I felt needed to be said. For far too long I have been reading funman's passive agressive swipes at both the military, and people of faith. It just so happens that my family has a deep, and longstanding relationship with both the military, and the ministry. His swipes are not always so passive in their aggressiveness. Can we all agree that funman believes that he has better grasp on the truth with regards to faith? Can we agree that he feels that people who practice their faith are just not quite as intelligent as he thinks he is? That is self evident when you read anything, and everything that he has ever posted on the subject.
You can accuse me of killing a fly with a sledgehammer, I suppose. But, to me these swipes are rather personal for obvious reasons. I, and others, have mentioned this countless times to him, and it doesn't seem to sink in, or matter to funman. Given the fact that I just returned from burying my uncle, and the fact that it is Memorial Day Weekend, my anger was very close to the surface. However, I have for the most part avoided this thread. I don't think that the oil spill is Obama's fault, or Bush's fault, for that matter. I do think that the hands off approach to it for so long by Obummer is very telling and sickening, but other than that I just want to see the damned thing stopped. That is all. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 30th, 2010 at 11:05am Riffhard wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 10:40am:
i don't know where in this thread he did what you're saying he did to the military or to christians... I will say this, on memeorial day weekend, you didn't do anyone any service by acting this way, regardless if even this entire thread was bashing those who served, which it isn't, and one joking comment is far from that, and no one has mentioned religion... except you... you might think you're performing some higher sevice, because in your delusioned mind, we are all inferior, and you come from some great gene pool... I feel bad for you, you not only disrespected this board, you dishonored you relatives service, by treating it as if it gives you some right to be an asshole and treat others like crap... it was his service, not yours, and you are using it like you own it... shame on you... everyone i know who has served, does so humbly and doesn't use their service as some sort of excuse to treat others poorly, whether justified or not... when someone like you, thinks that by relations, they have somehow earned what someone else did... disgusting, unpatriotic and you've taken their service and corrupted it with your foulness... they did not serve, so you could take their work and use it to hurt others... so fuck off Riffy.... take your crap somewhere else... the sad thing is, you're so smart, yet so fucking immature at the same time... i'm sure this would be exactly what all those dead relatives were about... NOT!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 30th, 2010 at 11:55am Pdog wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 11:05am:
Who's the one being nasty now? As for your accusation that somehow I make you feel that you are "inferior"? Well, that's just something that you're going to have to work out in your own head. I certainly don't feel that way, nor have I ever suggested anything of the sort. I do take offense to many of the snarky attacks on faith and military service by one poster on this board. I have gone into some detail on the topic, and just because you don't get it dosen't mean that my point is not valid. I just find it strange that you have zero problem telling me that I am out-of-line, or over-the-top, but funman's attacks go unnoticed by you. Maybe it's because I am a bit more animated in my response than you deem acceptable. I guess to you it seems that I have crossed the line? However, you also think that funman's "all the military can do is kill people, and blow things up" is just a joke. I didn't read it that way. And given the guy's history I think it's perfectly understandable why I would come to that conclusion. As for "corrupting" my family's service? Nothing that I could say on a message board would ever come close to doing that my friend. I never told you to fuck off, or anyone else for that matter, save funman. I simply told him that he's a snivling fool for making blanket statements about two brands of people that he has obviously had very little dealings with in his life- people who choose to have faith and attend religious services, and members of the military. I take an equal amount of offense to those attacks as you apparently take at my responses to them. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 30th, 2010 at 12:08pm
I think Riffy should make it his patriotic duty to go down to the gulf and plug that hole with his hot air, surely a major league, windbag like that could defeat the forces of nature and shut that leak down
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 30th, 2010 at 12:12pm Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 12:08pm:
Well I could certainly try. However, I think that there would a greater chance of success if we just plugged the leak with Janet Napolitano's rather rotund ass. Maybe we could shimmy it up with Eric Holder's cluelessness? Just a thought. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 30th, 2010 at 12:24pm Riffhard wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 11:55am:
where did he attack faith in this thread? I also never said you make me feel inferior... you treat people as such... c'mon, you're smarter than your response... and you have told me to fuck off, countless times, and for no reason other than what you did in this thread... you're reply full of curses and attacks are based on what? and When did these things you cliam happen? You say your family is connected with a ministry? I strongly suggest you take your behavior here, caling people names as you did, and discuss with some church leaders see what they say. They might not say what you want to hear, that I know is fact... There is no form of christianity that condones the way you are behaving... You completly disrepsected your uncle, and millions who have served ind my family, by using his death and their names, as an excuse to act like this... you gave his resume of service and then called Fuman and liberals (an attack on peoples faith by the way) all kinds of foul things... immature and lame... you treat people as if they are inferior to you, and you justify it, by many means... you suffer from a persoanlity disorder and should seek help, and definitely avoid posting here until you can respect this place and the band it was created for... as far as I'm concerned, I'm trying really hard to fell sorry for your loss, but I can't b/c you wielded that loss as a weapon, and the legacy and the man and what he meant to you, seems only something full of hatred, and you were lost to me... you might not realize it, but b/c you're so emotionally immature, and you think you're intellectually superior, you act like the very people and ideas you claim you oppose, and are blind to it... you know, and I know, if you could speak with your uncle right now, and he saw how you used his legacy on here, he would tell you don't do that in my name... it's memorial day, what kind of memorial is an attack on another person in your uncles name? whether he agreed with you or not... men like him, would put forth effort for good and to be helpful... not do what you do... and we both know, anyone in your family, in the ministry, would not only be ashamed of what you write here, they would probably tell you to not be online, because it is bad for you, if it brings out behavior like this, that you must justify... the bible, clearly states, our anger is never justified... unless you are god... are you god? I got news for you, you're not god, and i don't think god likes you very much... or you wouldn't be such a miserable person... you may need to attend some church on sunday, and not not be online... food for thought... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 30th, 2010 at 12:44pm Riffhard wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 11:55am:
You don't know what you're talking about. Are you so angry that you can't remember that you have ZERO information about me or my family? Seriously. My family's military service or faith? Who's sniveling? Just because you go around bragging about your family's associations doesn't mean others do or should do it.. Sunkist doesn't want tuna with good taste, they want tuna that tastes good. There's some fodder for your misplaced outrage. Have fun . . . |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 30th, 2010 at 12:58pm
Look Pdog your Dr. Phil-like psycho analysis on any personality disorder that you think I have is without any merit. I just don't appreciate the constant attacks, benign as they may seem to you, from funman on people that I have direct dealings with a daily basis. I would certainly understand your outrage should someone constantly attack, even indirectly, your family. I would actually defend your anger at any unprovoked attacks brought against you or your family.
I never once made the claim that funman had attacked people of faith on this particular thread. I was speaking to his history of these attacks. However, if I were to peruse all the pages of this thread I'd be willing to bet that he did, in fact, make such a comment. It seems to be in his DNA to attack Christians. Maybe you could do a psycho analytical makeup of that behavior for funman? Now again, how you can just shrug off the line about the military only knowing how to "kill people" and "blowing things up", but to me that is beyond my ability to comprehend. I know that to you feel there was no malicious intent on his part, but there can be little doubt that what he said would, and should, be considered highly offensive to all members of the armed services, or their family members, of which I'm one. I also don't recall a time when I ever told you to fuck off. Seriously, I don't recall that ever happening. If it did happen then I offer a public apology to you now for having said it. To funman, all I can say is that perhaps he should consider the true severity of his comments about that with which he has so obviously very little understanding, or appreciation of. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by 2000monkey on May 30th, 2010 at 1:36pm
"In fact every single one of them has more integrity than, not only all of the liberals on this board, but the entire Obummer Administration as well. "
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 30th, 2010 at 1:37pm Riffhard wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 12:58pm:
how is the line, " military only knowing how to "kill people" and "blowing things up"" personal to you, and deeming a personal attack response... why do you keep bringing up religion and old threads... i asked you when and where, he has brought up something religous, and you are citing past stuff, which if I recall, we were all specifically asked to drop... yet you're using that as the reason to assault him persoanally? and seriuously, saying miltary blows up stuff and kills is true... that's the main purpose of an army, to threaten to do that and when needed carry that out... even during peace time, armies train for that very purpose... and his comment was so tongue a=in cheek, and your response is so out of line... you ruin this place, just stop... show me where he has attacked you personally since them ods specifically told us, to stop political and religous basing... if he has done so, after that, then by all means, I will not only openly here ask him to knock it the fuck off, I will send him a PM and bring it to the mods... so please, I missed it, show me what thread and when it happened... if he hasn't since then, then it is you, starting this fight... b/c you cam into to this thread, guns blazing and throwing insults and poltical bashing and even you, are the one dragging faith into it... no one else had!!! STOP IT!!! PLEASE.... if you really feel sorry for telling me to fuck off before, that for gods sake, stop... this baord and everyone here deserve a place for friendly discussion and a common forum for the love of the Stones... can you do that, or are you going to justify forever this petty shit... wasn't it JC before, you would never forgive? Now it is this guy... WTF!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 30th, 2010 at 2:39pm Pdog wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 11:05am:
indeed. riffy, the blood that your family members spilled is hereby negated because of some comments you made on a message board. i hope you're $#@!ing happy!!! Quote:
no doubt riffy. go talk to some archbishops and get back to us. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 30th, 2010 at 3:32pm gimmekeef wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 8:07am:
Round up the usual suspects. :whatapostronnie |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 30th, 2010 at 4:26pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 30th, 2010 at 5:05pm
"Sunkist doesn't want tuna with good taste, they want tuna that tastes good"
That's Starkist you droned assed piece of shit |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 30th, 2010 at 5:20pm Some Guy wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 5:05pm:
let us take a knee and pray that somebody closes this leak soon! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 30th, 2010 at 5:45pm Starbuck wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 5:20pm:
AMEN |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 30th, 2010 at 5:49pm
bp to admit we fucked up
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 30th, 2010 at 5:59pm
Tell 'em, Maureen!
Once More, With Feeling By MAUREEN DOWD Published: May 29, 2010 Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times President Spock’s behavior is illogical. Once more, he has willfully and inexplicably resisted fulfilling a signal part of his job: being a prism in moments of fear and pride, reflecting what Americans feel so they know he gets it. “This president needs to tell BP, ’I’m your daddy,’ “ scolded James Carville, a New Orleans resident, as he called Barack Obama’s response to Louisiana’s new watery heartbreak “lackadaisical.” At a press conference, Obama said Malia had asked him, as he shaved, “Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?” (That hole should be plugged with a junk-shot of Glenn Beck, who crudely mocked the adorable Malia.) Oddly, the good father who wrote so poignantly about growing up without a daddy scorns the paternal aspect of the presidency. In the campaign, Obama’s fight flagged to the point that his donors openly upbraided him. In the Oval, he waited too long to express outrage and offer leadership on A.I.G., the banks, the bonuses, the job loss and mortgage fears, the Christmas underwear bomber, the death panel scare tactics, the ugly name-calling of Tea Party protesters. Too often it feels as though Barry is watching from a balcony, reluctant to enter the fray until the clamor of the crowd forces him to come down. The pattern is perverse. The man whose presidency is rooted in his ability to inspire withholds that inspiration when it is most needed. Oblivious to warnings about Osama hitting the U.S. and Katrina hitting New Orleans, W. often seemed more absorbed in workouts than work. Obama, by contrast, does his homework; he conveys a rare and impressive grasp of difficult subjects when he at last deigns to talk to the news media and reassure those whose lives are overturned by disaster. The wound-tight, travel-light Obama has a distaste for the adversarial and the random. But if you stick too rigidly to a No Drama rule in the White House, you risk keeping reality at bay. Presidencies are always about crisis management. Obama invented himself against all odds and repeated parental abandonment, and he worked hard to regiment his emotions. But now that can come across as imperviousness and inflexibility. He wants to run the agenda; he doesn’t want the agenda to run him. Once you become president, though, there’s no way to predict what your crises will be. F.D.R. achieved greatness not by means of imposing his temperament and intellect on the world but by reacting to what the world threw at him. For five weeks, it looked as though Obama considered the gushing that became the worst oil spill in U.S. history a distraction, like a fire alarm going off in the middle of a law seminar he was teaching. He’ll deal with it, but he’s annoyed because it’s not on his syllabus. Even if Obama doesn’t watch “Treme” on HBO, it’s strange that he would not have a more spontaneous emotional response to another horrendous hit for Louisiana, with residents and lawmakers crying on the news and dead pelicans washing up on shore. But then, he didn’t make his first-ever visit to New Orleans until nearly a year after Katrina hit. “I never had occasion to be here,” he told The Times’s Jeff Zeleny, then at The Chicago Tribune. Just as President Clinton once protested to reporters that he was still “relevant,” President Obama had to protest to reporters last week that he has feelings. He seemed to tune out a bit after the exhausting battle over health care, with the air of someone who says to himself: “Oh, man, that was a heavy lift. I’m taking a break.” He’s spending the holiday weekend in Chicago when he should be commemorating Memorial Day here with the families of troops killed in battle and with veterans at Arlington Cemetery. Republican senators who had a contentious lunch with the president last week described him as whiny, thin-skinned and in over his head, and there was extreme Democratic angst at the White House’s dilatory and deferential attitude on the spill. Even more than with the greedy financiers and arrogant carmakers, it was important to offend and slap back the deceptive malefactors at BP. Obama and top aides who believe in his divinity make a mistake to dismiss complaints of his aloofness as Washington white noise. He treats the press as a nuisance rather than examining his own inability to encapsulate Americans’ feelings. “The media may get tired of the story, but we will not,” he told Gulf Coast residents when he visited on Friday. Actually, if it weren’t for the media, the president would probably never have woken up from his torpor and flown down there. Instead of getting Bill Clinton to offer Joe Sestak a job, Obama should be offering Clinton one. Bill would certainly know how to gush at a gusher gone haywire. Let him resume a cameo role as Feeler in Chief. The post is open. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30dowd.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 30th, 2010 at 6:05pm Some Guy wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 5:05pm:
Oops. Right you are. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 30th, 2010 at 6:06pm
Maureen Dowd is a stupid twat. :shutthefuckup
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 30th, 2010 at 6:14pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 30th, 2010 at 6:17pm
keep the change, Obama has dropped the ball
we need Russia and China and anyones help now pronto |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 30th, 2010 at 6:40pm Starbuck wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 2:39pm:
you're such a douchebag too... did i say anything was negated, another one of the smart guys, who is also the most immature... you guys are really the lame part of rock n' roll... upon a friends advice, i just have to ignore the trolls and hate baiters... wish me luck... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 30th, 2010 at 8:01pm Pdog wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 6:40pm:
dude! you told riffy to go seek out a clergyman to talk to him about some anger management issues. that is hilarious! then you get mad, tell him to fuck off, call me a douchebag, and swear us all off as destroying the board with our negativity. yes...we all know what to expect with riffy (strong dinkbaggery)....but do you see what you write? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXfFI8KBTy8&feature=related |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 30th, 2010 at 8:45pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 6:06pm:
I disagree. I'm an Obama supporter who found her observations to be right on the money. Fortunately President Obama (unlike W) can read. And I hope he reads her article and takes it to heart. I don't think Glen Beck can read, however, so someone will have to call him and tell him he was mentioned. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 30th, 2010 at 9:53pm Ginda wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 8:45pm:
You know Ginda. MD has been a very good writer in the past. But like so many other journalists. She believes her own bullshit and cares too much about trying to be "cute" and making herself sound oh so clever. President Spock’s behavior is illogical. President Spock? WTF is that about? Too often it feels as though Barry is watching from a balcony, reluctant to enter the fray until the clamor of the crowd forces him to come down. The pattern is perverse. The man whose presidency is rooted in his ability to inspire withholds that inspiration when it is most needed. The whole calling the president Barry thing has gotten real old and is downright desrespectful IMHO. F.D.R. achieved greatness not by means of imposing his temperament and intellect on the world but by reacting to what the world threw at him. Wake up and smell the 21st Century Mo D. FD fucking R????What you gonna qoute George Washington next? I'm just sick of the same national press that built this guy up as some kind of savior salivating and licking their chops at the realty that life isn't perfect. I'm sure Mo doesn't have any skeletons laying under her bed and would make a much better president than BArack Hussien Obama. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 30th, 2010 at 10:04pm On this we can agree - I'm sick of the "Barry" business too. That was the one part of her piece that rang a sour note with me. There are far worse characters to be compared to than the cool, calm and collected Mr Spock, however. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 30th, 2010 at 10:22pm Ginda wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 10:04pm:
We can also agree that the Stones rock hard and that's more important than anything. Peace,love,dove and cheers to everything else. :wtf1 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 30th, 2010 at 10:28pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 10:22pm:
8-) |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 30th, 2010 at 11:56pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 10:22pm:
actually, the most important thing, more so than the stones, is whether or not we still have a gulf of mexico when all this is said and done. i just saw avatar tonight...OK, i know...i live under a rock. but the line "the sky people destroyed their planet" rang ever so true. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 31st, 2010 at 12:37am Starbuck wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 11:56pm:
Absolutely. The Gulf and beyond will take decades to recover from what has already spilled. It's gonna spew for months more. Human's are destroying their habitat. Profit for some with consequences for all. Maybe this will end up saving humanity, now that there is global outrage to environmental recklessness. Probably not . . . they succeeded in keeping video/photos of the millions of dead creatures off of the nightly news. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 31st, 2010 at 1:14am
we are fucked.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 31st, 2010 at 3:10am
pray
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Jumping Jack on May 31st, 2010 at 5:52am
You know, instead of reforming health care and energy policy in the name of social justice (otherwise known as discrimination and reparations) Spock should have focused on reforming the government agencies that have oversight and regulatory powers. We continue to grow government and bankrupt the country with an army of bozos who were grossly negligent in preventing financial ponzi schemes including Madoff, zero down mortgages and the real estate collapse, intelligence failures, terrorist attacks, oil spills, protecting the borders, etc.
Seems to me each government agency should think hard about their basic responsibilities, worst case scenarios, and take care of the basics. Forget spreading the wealth, social engineering, endless red tape and start doing their freaking primary jobs. A little accountability might be nice as well. Fire the porn surfers on the spot, and throw the agency heads in jail when grossly negligent. This has nothing to do with which political party is in power. The government is simply incompetent in everything it does, and growing more expensive and cumbersome every year. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by stonedinaustralia on May 31st, 2010 at 7:34am
it's a god damn crying shame
if there is a problem there is a solution why can't they control the discharge? where are the real scientists ? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 31st, 2010 at 8:11am Jumping Jack wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 5:52am:
you know the history of how the lack of regulation took place in the oil industry? and, without this happening, imaginer your reaction, if a policy to reverse that had taken place... hmmm! Governemnt takeover, of prvt. industry... and the reform of healthcare, is the greatest legislation in 45 years... needs alot of work, like most things like SS and civil rights, but it is a start... maybe you disagree, but BP is too blame because we allowed the Fox to watch the chicken coop... and we are wondering why it is all messed up. we're lucky this ain't worse... if this type of event was to take place 4 or 5 times in say a decade around the wrold... life as we know it could end... remember, the oceans gave life and sustain life on this planet... and we are killing them. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on May 31st, 2010 at 8:54am
Billy Nungesser, Plaquemines Parish, Louisiana President speaks his mind:
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on May 31st, 2010 at 9:29am
I'm on my way to the BP gas station near my house...I have a can of black spray paint and I'm going to write....STOP THE LEAK!!!!!
I need to do something, this is driving me insane. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 31st, 2010 at 10:23am Bingo wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 9:29am:
THAT'S THE SPIRIT |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 31st, 2010 at 10:32am Bingo wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 9:29am:
You might consider using Hershey's Chocolate in a squirt bottle to write with. Keep yourself out of jail. Kinda looks like oil too. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 31st, 2010 at 10:48am Pdog wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 8:11am:
The oil industry is one of the most regulated industries in America. So too is the banking industry. The government completely screwed the pooch with the banking industry when Jimma Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977. This idiocy was doubled down with Bill Clinton when he forced banks into making sub-prime loans, and what did we get? We got the collapse of the housing market because of another brilliantly run government agency(s), Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Bravo government!! Who ran Fannie and Freddie? The government did! Under the watchful eye of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank banks were forced by legal fiat to grant loans to people that had no way of paying these loans back. What happened next? The mortgage crisis that helped sink the economy, and destroy the housing bubble. It was all too obvious what would happen, but the government, being the great panacea of all things right, just, and fair made damned sure that private industry got screwed! In the name of the people, mind you. Then, as if their idiotic meddling wasn't enough, they found a way to cast all blame on private industry which in turn made the historically clueless class rise up and scream-"We need more government!" There is a country in Europe right now that is bringing the economy of all European nations to the brink. Which country is that, Pdog? The answer is Greece. Why? Because Greece has over regulated, and completely usurped the private sector in favor of big government. In Greece two out of every three people work for the government. However, since government employees pay a much lower tax share than do private sector employees the country can not afford the programs which it has put in place. Sound familiar? It's called deficit spending. In Greece's case it has brought the country to the brink of bankruptcy. Now the people of Greece are rioting because the same government that they have depended on for so long can not fulfill it's obligations. Chernobyl was a government run operation too, Pdog. Accidents happen, and no matter how much regulation is put in place they will continue to happen. That's the nature of things. The same government that you are now calling to regulate and take over private industry has managed to ruin Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, dumb down public education (got to throw the teachers union a bone!), and reek general havoc on every industry it touches, save the military. You seem to think that the government is the honest mediator here. You forget that the government is run by people too. They have their own agenda, and if you think that that agenda is assuring happiness for one and all then you are living in an idealist alternate universe. Do you think that countries that allow the government to run all industry are being charitable and nice to their citizenry? Ask the people of Venezuela how they feel about Hugo Chavez and his philanthropic works. Ask the people living in North Korea how they like their ever-so-kind government. Perhaps the good people of Cuba could clue you into the brilliance of state run industry. You might ask yourself why all these big government run countries are all piss poor. The reason is obvious if you're willing to actually take the time to study the issue. The USSR went belly up because Reagan was wise enough to know that they could never economically keep up with the USA when it came to defending itself. The USSR had zero profit margin (such is the case with communism), and what happened? They collapsed under the weight of an all powerful, all encompassing, state run, top down, centralized government. Reagan knew that all he had to do push them to the brink economically in order to destroy them, and he did so brilliantly. No. More government is not the answer at all. More accountability? Absolutely, but if you think that the CEO of BP is rubbing his hands together and counting his money with glee than you are sadly mistaken. BP has every incentive in the world to stop this damned leak. It may well end up killing their company. Deservedly so some might argue. Now what would happen had this accident happened to a state run oil rig, (and it just as easily could have)? Do you think that you could take the federal government to court and get honest restitution for damages done? Good luck with that option. Less government is better government. Or, put more succinctly from the genius of Thomas Jefferson-- "A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." - Thomas Jefferson Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 31st, 2010 at 11:07am
can I just get the gist of Riffy's post, I'm a very busy man.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 31st, 2010 at 11:13am Some Guy wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 11:07am:
It's actually pretty easy read SG! And there is not one curse word in the entire post! It basically destroys the argument for a larger more centralized government, and it does so with facts, and a very prescient quote from Thomas Jefferson. Give it a read! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 31st, 2010 at 11:28am Riffhard wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 11:13am:
riffy, put a little t & a in there and he'll read it. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 31st, 2010 at 11:39am Some Guy wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 11:07am:
Riffy has found a cure for insomnia.Read one of his posts. :interestingstuffronnie |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 31st, 2010 at 11:41am Starbuck wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 11:28am:
I don't work blue. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 31st, 2010 at 11:50am sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 11:39am:
Well, I try and break the posts down into short simple to understand paragraphs. I'd say that the latest rather long winded post is as succinct as could it be given the subject matter. At the end of the day I can always read it and know without question that I have utterly destroyed the big centralized government argument, and that's the important thing. If you actually took the time to read it you may find some points of agreement. Or at the very least you might try and find some points of contention and put forth a counter argument for others to judge. I stand by that post, and would argue that it is far more intelligent and more thought out than some of the posts here arguing for more intrusive big government. In fact, I know that it is. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 31st, 2010 at 12:11pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 11:39am:
or an addiction to posting on controversial political subjects... :weed |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 31st, 2010 at 12:15pm Riffhard wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 11:50am:
you're such a destroyer... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 31st, 2010 at 12:24pm Pdog wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 12:11pm:
more like an addiction to politicing controversial subjects, also commonly known as partisan hackery |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 31st, 2010 at 12:25pm Pdog wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 12:15pm:
Hmm,....well I guess that is the gist of your argument then? Man I'm trying to keep it clean, and nice here. Call it a new leaf if you like, but the point is that I have refuted your big government argument piece by piece, and this is what you counter with? Really? If that's the case then I feel safe in claiming-game, set, match. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on May 31st, 2010 at 12:25pm
what is this thread about? I forgot........
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 31st, 2010 at 12:45pm Pdog wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 12:15pm:
Paranoia, the destroyer. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 31st, 2010 at 12:56pm
"If that's the case then I feel safe in claiming-game, set, match."
If that's a win for Riffy, it's a win for America, no? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 31st, 2010 at 12:56pm
I peed in the pool today
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 31st, 2010 at 1:16pm Some Guy wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 12:56pm:
couldn't stop the leak, could you? "top kill" didn't work, then. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 31st, 2010 at 1:52pm Starbuck wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 1:16pm:
Nobody could have predicted his blow-out protector would fail. It's unprecedented !! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 31st, 2010 at 2:10pm
I hear they are keeping the media away from areas
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on May 31st, 2010 at 2:13pm
Can anyone of the participants (or readers) of this thread recommend a political discussion site? Seriously. I would like to discuss certain topics (AZ immigration law, supreme court, desecration of the Gulf Coast, etc) with some or all of the people here without resorting to a snot-o-rama and headaches for the admins. If there is a site some of you belong to would you mind posting it here or sending me a PM?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 31st, 2010 at 2:24pm
Riffy's gonna chiil and pdog is gonna put him on ignore, we good now.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 31st, 2010 at 2:41pm Some Guy wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 2:24pm:
the likelihood of either happening is about the same as max and joey sharing and ice cream. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 31st, 2010 at 3:17pm Riffhard wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 12:25pm:
I didn't make a case for big govt. , you decided to refute a post i never made... let's see if i can get you to go off another rant, instead of regulation, how about a new word... i'll just drop in a post at another time, no need to make you type so much on a holiday. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 31st, 2010 at 6:14pm
New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) -- A fisherman who was hospitalized after becoming ill while cleaning up oil in the Gulf of Mexico has filed a temporary restraining order in federal court against oil company BP.
. . In an affidavit, Wunstell wrote he started experiencing severe headaches and nasal irritation on May 24. Over the next few days, he also developed nosebleeds, an upset stomach, and aches. . . Corexit, a dispersant, is being sprayed into the Gulf to break down the oil. The safety data information sheet from the manufacturer states that people should "avoid breathing in vapor" from Corexit, and that masks should be work when Corexit is present in certain concentrations in the air. . . According to Guidry from the shrimpers' association, BP told workers they were not allowed to wear masks. "Some of our men asked, and they were told they'd be fired if they wore masks," he said. Tony Hayward, the chief executive officer of BP, offered another explanation for the fishermen's illness: spoiled food. "Food poisoning is clearly a big issue," Hayward said Sunday. "It's something we've got to be very mindful of. It's one of the big issues of keeping the Army operating. You know, the Army marches on their stomachs." http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/31/oil.spill.order/index.html?hpt=T1 Has anybody here ever got a nose bleed from food poisoning? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 31st, 2010 at 6:20pm Pdog wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 3:17pm:
so you're purposely trying to rile him up? you should be thinking of ways to plug the leak instead. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on May 31st, 2010 at 6:30pm
may get an announcement soon they can't stop it till late August with a relief well- seems like they are prepping us.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on May 31st, 2010 at 6:32pm Some Guy wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 2:24pm:
You make the drones weep and shit liquid !!! WHY WHY WHY WHY !!! MrSDR&R™ |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 31st, 2010 at 6:49pm Some Guy wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 6:30pm:
the filet o fish i had at mcdonalds yesterday was black inside. is this a problem? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 31st, 2010 at 7:25pm Starbuck wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 6:20pm:
not competing for your job as a firestarter... that gig is yours... i'll keep my gig as resident goofball and commie subversive... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on May 31st, 2010 at 7:50pm Pdog wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 7:25pm:
Ok then. if that is how you see yourself, have at it. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on May 31st, 2010 at 8:08pm Starbuck wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 6:49pm:
No,your fine. It's the new blackened Filet O' Fish....Or as BP likes to call what they're doing to the gulf. It's Cajun style. :aimama |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on May 31st, 2010 at 8:23pm Pdog wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 3:17pm:
LOL! Hey Pdog, do you even read your posts before you hit the send button? You most certainly did make the case for big government! I even quoted the post that elicited my response. The line that really made me bite was this one right here--->Governemnt takeover, of prvt. industry... and the reform of healthcare, is the greatest legislation in 45 years... Now I'm sorry, but when you post something like that you are making a direct call for a larger more centralized government and consequently a smaller private sector. In other words, socialism. Ask Greece how that whole socialism thing is working out for them. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on May 31st, 2010 at 8:40pm Riffhard wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 8:23pm:
talk about taking someone post, dissecting a part and completely taking it out of the context it was used in... i'm really happy you feel like you won or in your words destryoed my argument that never existed... you don't realize it, but i'm not debating you... my initial response to you, that i let myself get sucked into, was that you shouldn't even bring politics here... you did suceed in doing it, even though you said you weren't... should I quote where you said that? if you want to talk with me anymore, find a thread here about music or something else, otherwise, forget my name and keep me out of this lame stuff... thx in advance. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 31st, 2010 at 9:11pm Starbuck wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 6:49pm:
In this day and age, when you eat at McDonald's you give up the right to question what it was you just ate. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on May 31st, 2010 at 9:24pm Edith Grove wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 8:54am:
This was the post of the day for me. He's absolutely right about the slow death. Loved the part about "don't tell me they, I need a name so I can put my hands around their neck". Something stinks indeed . . . |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Wild Bill on May 31st, 2010 at 10:03pm Ginda wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 8:45pm:
But Cryin'Psycho Beck wasn't elected Prez'dent. The Charlatan from Chicago's corrupt political machine was. I'm guessing Maureen Dowd is now realizing that Obammma is a one term prez'dent. |
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Title: Peggy Nails it Again Post by Wild Bill on May 31st, 2010 at 10:15pm
He Was Supposed to Be Competent
The spill is a disaster for the president and his political philosophy. May 29, 2010 I don’t see how the president’s position and popularity can survive the oil spill. This is his third political disaster in his first 18 months in office. And they were all, as they say, unforced errors, meaning they were shaped by the president’s political judgment and instincts. There was the tearing and unnecessary war over his health-care proposal and its cost. There was his day-to-day indifference to the views and hopes of the majority of voters regarding illegal immigration. And now the past almost 40 days of dodging and dithering in the face of an environmental calamity. I don’t see how you politically survive this. The president, in my view, continues to govern in a way that suggests he is chronically detached from the central and immediate concerns of his countrymen. This is a terrible thing to see in a political figure, and a startling thing in one who won so handily and shrewdly in 2008. But he has not, almost from the day he was inaugurated, been in sync with the center. The heart of the country is thinking each day about A, B and C, and he is thinking about X, Y and Z. They’re in one reality, he’s in another. The American people have spent at least two years worrying that high government spending would, in the end, undo the republic. They saw the dollars gushing night and day, and worried that while everything looked the same on the surface, our position was eroding. They have worried about a border that is in some places functionally and of course illegally open, that it too is gushing night and day with problems that states, cities and towns there cannot solve. And now we have a videotape metaphor for all the public’s fears: that clip we see every day, on every news show, of the well gushing black oil into the Gulf of Mexico and toward our shore. You actually don’t get deadlier as a metaphor for the moment than that, the monster that lives deep beneath the sea. In his news conference Thursday, President Obama made his position no better. He attempted to act out passionate engagement through the use of heightened language—“catastrophe,” etc.—but repeatedly took refuge in factual minutiae. His staff probably thought this demonstrated his command of even the most obscure facts. Instead it made him seem like someone who won’t see the big picture. The unspoken mantra in his head must have been, “I will not be defensive, I will not give them a resentful soundbite.” But his strategic problem was that he’d already lost the battle. If the well was plugged tomorrow, the damage will already have been done. The original sin in my view is that as soon as the oil rig accident happened the president tried to maintain distance between the gusher and his presidency. He wanted people to associate the disaster with BP and not him. When your most creative thoughts in the middle of a disaster revolve around protecting your position, you are summoning trouble. When you try to dodge ownership of a problem, when you try to hide from responsibility, life will give you ownership and responsibility the hard way. In any case, the strategy was always a little mad. Americans would never think an international petroleum company based in London would worry as much about American shores and wildlife as, say, Americans would. They were never going to blame only BP, or trust it. I wonder if the president knows what a disaster this is not only for him but for his political assumptions. His philosophy is that it is appropriate for the federal government to occupy a more burly, significant and powerful place in America—confronting its problems of need, injustice, inequality. But in a way, and inevitably, this is always boiled down to a promise: “Trust us here in Washington, we will prove worthy of your trust.” Then the oil spill came and government could not do the job, could not meet the need, in fact seemed faraway and incapable: “We pay so much for the government and it can’t cap an undersea oil well!” This is what happened with Katrina, and Katrina did at least two big things politically. The first was draw together everything people didn’t like about the Bush administration, everything it didn’t like about two wars and high spending and illegal immigration, and brought those strands into a heavy knot that just sat there, soggily, and came to symbolize Bushism. The second was illustrate that even though the federal government in our time has continually taken on new missions and responsibilities, the more it took on, the less it seemed capable of performing even its most essential jobs. Conservatives got this point—they know it without being told—but liberals and progressives did not. They thought Katrina was the result only of George W. Bush’s incompetence and conservatives’ failure to “believe in government.” But Mr. Obama was supposed to be competent. Remarkable too is the way both BP and the government, 40 days in, continue to act shocked, shocked that an accident like this could have happened. If you’re drilling for oil in the deep sea, of course something terrible can happen, so you have a plan on what to do when it does. How could there not have been a plan? How could it all be so ad hoc, so inadequate, so embarrassing? We’re plugging it now with tires, mud and golf balls? What continues to fascinate me is Mr. Obama’s standing with Democrats. They don’t love him. Half the party voted for Hillary Clinton, and her people have never fully reconciled themselves to him. But he is what they have. They are invested in him. In time—after the 2010 elections go badly—they are going to start to peel off. The political operative James Carville, the most vocal and influential of the president’s Gulf critics, signaled to Democrats this week that they can start to peel off. He did it through the passion of his denunciations. The disaster in the Gulf may well spell the political end of the president and his administration, and that is no cause for joy. It’s not good to have a president in this position—weakened, polarizing and lacking broad public support—less than halfway through his term. That it is his fault is no comfort. It is not good for the stability of the world, or its safety, that the leader of “the indispensable nation” be so weakened. I never until the past 10 years understood the almost moral imperative that an American president maintain a high standing in the eyes of his countrymen. Mr. Obama himself, when running for president, made much of Bush administration distraction and detachment during Katrina. Now the Republican Party will, understandably, go to town on Mr. Obama’s having gone before this week only once to the gulf, and the fund-raiser in San Francisco that seemed to take precedence, and the EPA chief who decided to cancel a New York fund-raiser only after the press reported that she planned to attend. But Republicans should beware, and even mute their mischief. We’re in the middle of an actual disaster. When they win back the presidency, they’ll probably get the big California earthquake. And they’ll probably blow it. Because, ironically enough, of a hard core of truth within their own philosophy: When you ask a government far away in Washington to handle everything, it will handle nothing well. http://peggynoonan.com/ |
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Title: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Wild Bill on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:17am
No more tingling feeling up Chris Matthews' leg regarding Supreme Leader Obamma:
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:20am Wild Bill wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:17am:
Get a life. |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by fuman on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:24am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:20am:
Thank you. |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Wild Bill on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:24am wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:20am:
Such an original expression - may I please use it someday? |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Starbuck on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:22pm fuman wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:24am:
so in your books obama is handling this crisis admirably? |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by fuman on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:34pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:22pm:
No. Not by a long shot. However, it's very out of character for him, IMO. Not quite ready to vote him out of office, or impeach just yet. I didn't watch the Matthews vid. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:53pm
British Petroleum plc Reportedly Coast Guard Admiral claims BP no longer plans to attach a 2nd blowout preventer until relief wells are finished; will instead focus on capturing flow
- reminder: this past weekend BP said that the lower marine riser package cap (LMRP) that was being moved into position was expected to capture "most" of the oil and gas from the well. Process would involve cutting off the damaged riser from which the oil and gas are leaking and replacing it with a new riser and then attaching a new blowout preventer on top of the malfunction one. - As of Saturday, the relief well being drilled was about halfway complete, with about 6,000 feet to go; forecasting relief well to be finished in early August. |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Riffhard on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:59pm fuman wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:34pm:
Yeah it's so out of character! LOL! I mean he did such a bang up job on forcing a health care pakage down the throats of an unwilling, and non-consensual public. He has completely ignored the will of those same people with his heavy (ham) handed approach to the illegal immigration problem, while at the same time slamming the state of Arizona which has the highest kidnapping rate in the US because of a border problem that Obummer would rather forget about. He's doing a brilliant job! Of destroying his party, and the USA that is! He's a bad joke, and the sad thing is that some here still haven't figured out the punch line. Some of us knew it all along. 3 out of 3! Foul up, screw up, fuck up! He's the best president ever! ROTFLMMFAO!! Riffy |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Nellcote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 1:20pm fuman wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:34pm:
In all seriousness, what Matthews is saying is dead on. From about 1:30 forward, he absolutely nails how this administration is viewing this problem-like a business deal gone bad, not like the largest catastrophe known to the US, which is what this is. I completely realize people who voted for Obama do not want to see a person such as Matthews, who was openly the largest cheerleader of Obama on every TV network in the country, skewer Obama over this crisis, but he manages to do just that. This on PMSNBC, who pulls for the Dems like no other network. Any other president would be treated in the same manner if they were not doing anything about this matter, as Obama is. |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by fuman on Jun 1st, 2010 at 1:35pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 1:20pm:
I think Obama deserves the outrage, from any newsperson/reporter. Happy that they're doing their job. This is very serious shit. "Any other president would be treated in the same manner if they were not doing anything about this matter, as Obama is." True! Not on "any" network though. Faux has proven this to me. |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Pdog on Jun 1st, 2010 at 1:50pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:59pm:
go post on a political forum... this is about the oil leak, at least stay on topic or start a new politics thread... |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Riffhard on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:10pm Pdog wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 1:50pm:
Pdog, with all due respect, funman makes the claim that it's out character for Obummer to drop the ball in a crisis situation. I just made the obvious point that not only is it not out of character for Obummer to screw up on a massive scale, but that it has been his MO for the last 18 months. That you don't like that fact is of zero consequences to me. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there is no way to take the politics out of this disaster. If for no other reason than because Barry has always inserted politics into every single action that he has ever undertaken. I just respond to the posts that I read, nothing more. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:15pm
If we agree Obama is doing a bad job.will that stop the leak?...No? You mean ranting and raving about it on a Rolling Stones message board will have no effect whatsoever on the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico? :retarded
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by fuman on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:24pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:15pm:
Thank you !! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:34pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:15pm:
Right on. Just as our ranting & raving about Macca, or Springsteen, or Peter Wolf has nothing to do with the Stones as well. Or the contstant pummeling of Ron Wood, like anything we say is ever going to change how he acts, or that what we say is even right? Or do other people care about the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc? It's a message board, some people are passionate about everthing. It's a very small world SCL, with lots of items impacting it. Do you think I enjoyed when I paid good money to hear the Boss pontificate about Bush, when much of it was not true? Or that I should vote for Obama? Shut Up & Sing is my mantra. I told Kris Kristopherson off one night in an Austin club over his blabbering about Bush being wrong & had most in the club cheering me for it. As long as there are discourse allowed over world items, I see no reason to not talk about events which effect all of us. Some of the posters here will be financially impacted by what happens in the Gulf, people are concerned. Last I checked it's a free society. So, if the admins want to limit this to music only discussions, I would completely understand & abide. |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by Pdog on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:36pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:10pm:
You're talking about healthcare and AZ politcs... you're not even on topic, and you're the one who started a poltical discusiion here. and don't tell me you respond accordingly.. .you went all foul, when no one else was... screw respect for me, respect this board, if you want poltics, go there, in a poltical thread... this was about the spill, not Obama... Ginda even asked for a political site... do you post on any, or just trying to make this place one... start a political thread... beleive it or ont, people are interested in the events and news about the leak, and not the poltics around it... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Gazza on Jun 1st, 2010 at 4:17pm
If you wanna keep this thread open, guys, keep it on topic and non-personal.
Dont even think about it being a sneaky way of resurrecting unfinished business in the old 'Obama' thread. If its going to follow the path of the last one, it'll be closed. |
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Title: Re: Obamma's Waterloo Post by texile on Jun 1st, 2010 at 5:54pm Thank you.[/quote] so in your books obama is handling this crisis admirably? [/quote] he did such a bang up job on forcing a health care pakage down the throats of an unwilling, and non-consensual public. Riffy[/quote] As opposed to forcing a war package down the throats of an unwilling, and nonconsensual public....? Since when do conservatives care about the environment anyway? That's the real question. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 1st, 2010 at 6:04pm
CNN reporting that a criminal investigation is opened regarding the leak and accident.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 1st, 2010 at 6:46pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 2:34pm:
Didn't stop you from going again though did it....And as I was at both Mansfiled shows I don't recall the pontifacating on either of those nights. Do you remember any? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 1st, 2010 at 7:05pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 6:46pm:
as far as i know, we still buying gas, oil consumption since the leak hasn't changed one bit... not one drop less... on the other hand, Bruce probably lost a dozen or so fans.... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 7:37pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 6:46pm:
Every Magic tour date I saw & every Magic tour date which was performed. Sure, I went for more shows, and I yelled at him from the front row @ Hautfud to shut up & sing. As long as the oil problem remains in the Gulf there should be those of us to stand up & ask why BP is allowed to not be made to do more & more. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 1st, 2010 at 7:45pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 7:37pm:
I whole heartedly agree that BP should be held accountable every step of the way. Thatwas the original point of this thread....Obama didn't drill the hole. Obama didn't make the fucker leak. As for the cleanup. Doesn't matter who is in office. It's a clusterfuck of epic proportions. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 7:52pm
You are correct Obama did not make the hole, nor did he cause it.
He is the President, the man in charge. He is responsible for what happens during his watch. He has not done enough. He needs to do more & fast. The perception is he is not acting fast or strong enough. He still has time to turn that perception around, for the good of all of the Gulf States, and for that matter the world. This accident did occur on US Federal Waters, which is ultimately his responsibility as President. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Kilroy on Jun 1st, 2010 at 8:11pm
Every wonder about What is filling the hole where the oil is coming from?
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Flooding-opens-up-sinkholes-Guatemala-City-Tropical-Storm/ss/events/wl/053110guatemalahole/im:/100601/ids_photos_india_wl/ra572889842.jpg/ |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 1st, 2010 at 8:55pm
so if they can't stop it, how long we got? I've heard some chilling shit. I prefer to think this will somehow work out and people will get back to work somehow.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:03pm Kilroy wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 8:11pm:
there's dinosaurs down there filling them back up with oil... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Kilroy on Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:11pm Pdog wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:03pm:
Did you see4 that sink hole, Wild talking bout a pot hole! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:18pm
I mean I know civilizations have gone extinct before, but damn we can't go out like this.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:45pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 1st, 2010 at 10:05pm
Good to see John Stewart on tonight.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 1st, 2010 at 11:23pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:18pm:
extinticide.... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Jumping Jack on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 4:50am
Nationalize all offshore platforms then give them to GM to create more union jobs!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 7:35am Jumping Jack wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 4:50am:
not far from the truth. the way this works the country pays alot of money to find the oil, watchover the obtaining and shipping, the refinnig and distribution and then the cost of clean ups and health problems from using it... the people who run these industries have it made... BP just made a ton of money and is now set to file bankruptcy, but the top people walk away free and clear and rich as hell... who do you think is getting the bill? might as well make it nationalized, since it operates like this... what other industry requires so much miltary money just to keep it working? That bill alone is immense... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 7:51am Pdog wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 7:35am:
is that realistic? and what do you mean Nationalize? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:08am Some Guy wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 7:51am:
I think he is sunig the phrase nationalized, to compare it to National Healthcare, in englad... a govt. run program... what we have here, is a subsidized industry, like automakers, with many hidden and secondary costs... making it more complex and more of a drain on our money. you pay to find the oil, you pay to have it shipped and protected around the world, you pay for accidents and clean ups and you pay to pump the gas... you don't pay $3 a gal. you pay more like $10 or $20... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:12am
Latest idea for plugging the hole:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/2c603aa.jpg?t=1275487803 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:49am Edith Grove wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:12am:
Here is an Unholy Trinity that can solve all of our problems: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbZqvMu2cQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJpDywI68o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9j_SWbpOH0 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 10:06am
SCL, maybe Bob can bring the feelings of
the majority of folks about what is not being done for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5uJtVAeHMc&feature=related |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 10:37am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Twn61-UDs
The CEO of BP actually had the nerve to say he wants his life back. In regards to the oil spill. So do the 11 guys he killed. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:37am
I viewed that last night.
He also said words to the effect that the Gulf is large & can handle this. As well that the sickness being felt by the workers was food poisoning. Where do they teach this behavior? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 12:03pm
I'd say that Morris nails it right here. He is absolutely spot on in his analysis.
Riffy _________________________________ Morris: Obama doesn’t have a clue By Dick Morris - 06/01/10 07:03 PM ET Conservatives are so enraged at Obama’s socialism and radicalism that they are increasingly surprised to learn that he is incompetent as well. The sight of his blithering and blustering while the most massive oil spill in history moves closer to America’s beaches not only reminds one of Bush’s terrible performance during Katrina, but calls to mind Jimmy Carter’s incompetence in the face of the hostage crisis. America is watching the president alternate between wringing his hands in helplessness and pointing his finger in blame when he should be solving the most pressing environmental problem America has faced in the past 50 years. We are watching generations of environmental protection swept away as marshes, fisheries, vacation spots, recreational beaches, wetlands, hatcheries and sanctuaries fall prey to the oil spill invasion. And, all the while, the president acts like a spectator, interrupting his basketball games only to excoriate BP for its failure to contain the spill. The political fallout from the oil spill will, indeed, spill across party and ideological lines. The environmentalists of America cannot take heart from a president so obviously ignorant about how to protect our shores and so obstinately arrogant that he refuses to inform himself and take any responsibility. All of this explains why the oil spill is seeping into his ratings among Democrats, dragging him down to levels we have not seen since Bush during the pit of the Iraq war. Conservatives may dislike Obama because he is a leftist. But liberals are coming to dislike him because he is not a competent progressive. Meanwhile, the nation watches nervously as the same policies Obama has brought to our nation are failing badly and publicly in Europe. When Moody’s announces that it is considering downgrading bonds issued by the government of the United States of America, we find ourselves, suddenly, in deep trouble. We have had deficits before. But never have they so freaked investors that a ratings agency considered lowering its opinion of our solvency. Not since Alexander Hamilton assumed the states’ Revolutionary War debt has America’s willingness and ability to meet its financial obligations been as seriously questioned. And the truth begins to dawn on all of us: Obama has no more idea how to work his way out of the economic mess into which his policies have plunged us than he does about how to clean up the oil spill that is destroying our southern coastline. Both the financial crisis and the oil come ever closer to our shores — one from the east and the other from the south — and, between them, they loom as a testament to the incompetence of our government and of its president. And, oddly, to his passivity as well. After pursuing a remarkably activist, if misguided and foolhardy, agenda, Obama seems not to know what to do and finds himself consigned to the roles of observer and critic. America is getting the point that its president doesn’t have a clue. He doesn’t know how to stop the oil from spilling. He is bereft of ideas about how to create jobs in the aftermath of the recession. He has no idea how to keep the European financial crisis contained. He has no program for repaying the massive debt hole into which he has dug our nation without tax increases he must know will only deepen the pit. Some presidents have failed because of their stubbornness (Johnson and Bush-43). Others because of their character flaws (Clinton and Nixon). Still others because of their insensitivity to domestic problems (Bush-41). But now we have a president who is failing because he is incompetent. It is Jimmy Carter all over again. Who would have thought that this president, so anxious to lead us and so focused on his specific agenda and ideas, would turn out not to know what he is doing? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 12:20pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 12:03pm:
Hey Riffy,good news. Tipper Gore is available again. You know you wanna tap dat ass. :areyoufuckingserious |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 1:36pm
Obama's fucking up
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Wild Bill on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 1:40pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 12:20pm:
The cunt who gave us the PMRC?!??! Hah! No freedom-loving American would want a piece of that hag unless it's to do something nasty to her face! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 1:55pm
The saw got stuck- that's all she wrote.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Joey on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 3:07pm
" Obama's fucking up "
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 3:40pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 1:36pm:
Not like he's got much to do these days. North and South Korea are on the verge of war. The middle east is about to explode,we're about to pull out of Iraq,we're fighting a war in Afghanistan. The economy was left in shambles by the previous administration....and oh yeah their got the worst environmental disaster in the country's history to deal with....How's your day going? :wtf3 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 6:52pm
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/06/bp-bars-photos-dead-wildlife-bodies-pile
BP Bars Photos of Dead Wildlife as Bodies Pile Up — By Kate Sheppard | Wed Jun. 2, 2010 10:00 AM PDT BP is apparently barring cleanup workers from sharing photos of dead animals that have washed ashore. But whether we're seeing them or not, the bodies are starting to add up. Late last week, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and other responders issued a tally of the animals collected as of Friday in oil-impacted regions of Alabama, Florida , Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas—dead and alive. Those stats are shocking: 444 dead birds, 222 dead sea turtles, and 24 mammals (including dolphins). I sent a request to the Unified Command office last week asking for data on wildlife collected over a normal time period, pre-oil-disaster, for comparison. I haven't received a reply. National Wildlife Federation senior scientist Doug Inkley has compiled some of the data on dolphins and sea turtles found stranded so far—meaning both dead and living animals that have clearly been harmed by their exposure to oil. He reports that the 244 sea turtles they found stranded by the spill is between six to nine times the average rate. The 29 stranded dolphins are between two and six times the normal rate for the region. The number of dead and dying critters, Inkley says, is "certainly higher" than usual. But even these staggering totals might not be anywhere near the real figures. For starters, they don't include the dead animals who may never be counted. Following the Exxon Valdez spill, scientists noted that many carcasses sunk and were never found, meaning the estimated deaths were probably far too low. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 7:22pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 3:40pm:
Obama ran for President. He wanted the office-he got the office. It's all under his watch now. He has more czars running his cabinet than any other President ever. He has the big boy pants on now. Remember the Democratic convention @ Mile High Stadium with the Roman Columns? He said he would take care of everything. How about Grant Park post election, same thing? No time to blame other admininstrations. For that matter, Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden five times & did not & where would we have been if he did? Bottom line=Obama wanted this office=he needs to act Presidential. Lots of balls in the air? It was he who said he could handle it. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:03pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 7:22pm:
I get the impression, you think there's a way to stop this leak, and it's not being done? You do know, there's no one on this planet, to stop it... You think some Bruce Willis character is out there, and the president is trying to sober him up, so he swim down and set the bomb that stops this or something... you're talking about Bin-laden fer chrissakes... what the hell does that have to do with this... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:26pm Pdog wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:03pm:
Hey, it's ok for SCL to bring up "The economy was left in shambles by the previous administration" I can bring up a counter true fact. Facts, dog, that's all I deal with. The facts are this oil disaster occured on Federal Land, that makes the US responsible, where Obama is President. He needs to stop attending fundraisers & get these states help. He has done nothing. There are many, many things that should be done. Why do the mayors of each of these cities have to plead their case for floating booms to protect the marshes to tv networks for weeks at time to get help? Where is Obama with the National Guard forcing action? Obama needs to stop sitting on his hands & do something. This was one of the most pristine environments on earth & he attends fund raisers, or wants to talk to people why Lebron James would look good with the Bulls? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Wild Bill on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:42pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 7:22pm:
"Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain!" (With Bobby Jindal co-starring as Toto.) |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by texile on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:54pm
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I get the impression, you think there's a way to stop this leak, and it's not being done? You do know, there's no one on this planet, to stop it... You think some Bruce Willis character is out there, and the president is trying to sober him up, so he swim down and set the bomb that stops this or something... you're talking about Bin-laden fer chrissakes... what the hell does that have to do with this...[/quote] Yeah, I don't get that. BP is responsible for this devastation - they fucked up big time. The conservatives are salivating over this..... Why? They never cared about the environment before. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:05pm texile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:54pm:
I get the impression, you think there's a way to stop this leak, and it's not being done? You do know, there's no one on this planet, to stop it... You think some Bruce Willis character is out there, and the president is trying to sober him up, so he swim down and set the bomb that stops this or something... you're talking about Bin-laden fer chrissakes... what the hell does that have to do with this...[/quote] Yeah, I don't get that. BP is responsible for this devastation - they fucked up big time. The conservatives are salivating over this..... Why? They never cared about the environment before.[/quote] Trouble is if BP left unchecked will do nothing. You've got the head of BP stating that the Gulf is a big place, the oil will dissipate. Why yesterday, he had the stones to say "I'd like my life back". What about the 11 who died? All the Gov't needs to do is force BP to do more than what they are doing. Is it really that hard? Do you like to vacation in the Gulf, or in Miami, or the Outer Shores of NC? How about some nice seafood from the Chesapeake? The oil is moving & it's going to effect all of these places. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:10pm texile wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 8:54pm:
I get the impression, you think there's a way to stop this leak, and it's not being done? You do know, there's no one on this planet, to stop it... You think some Bruce Willis character is out there, and the president is trying to sober him up, so he swim down and set the bomb that stops this or something... you're talking about Bin-laden fer chrissakes... what the hell does that have to do with this...[/quote] Yeah, I don't get that. BP is responsible for this devastation - they fucked up big time. The conservatives are salivating over this..... Why? They never cared about the environment before.[/quote] exactly, and this thread was only about the leak and the damage until "they" went political... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:17pm
I don't think that anyone here is blaming Obummer for the leak. Or, for that matter in his inability to plug the damned thing. The blame is all about his ineptitude as a leader and a seemingly nonchalant attitude about it for the first 36 days of the leak. There seemed to be a total disconnect from the president as to the real urgency of the problem. Meanwhile, as Nellie points out, he's attending fundraisers, and waxing on about LeBron James and the NBA, in between rounds of golf.
When he finally does come out and speak to the severity of the problem (day #36 for those keeping score) he does nothing but slam and threaten BP. His moron Interior Sec Ken Salazar says that the Administration is going to, "keep our boot on the neck of BP!" Eric Holder is touring the area and has announced his intention of pressing federal charges on BP and prosecuting "to the fullest extent of the law." And for what?!?! We all know that BP is going to pay, and pay severely. Hell, they've already lost over $70 billion, and we're still counting. That's before all the civil, and class action suits that will certainly arise. This catastrophe may well destroy the company. We all know that. So why chase the damned ambulances now?!?! Why is Bobby Jindal still waiting for licences to build sand berms?!?! Why has he had to wait for over a month for some goddamned booms?!?!?! Could it be that Jindal is vocally critical of Obama's agenda? Cynical perhaps, but this president has made it abundantly clear that he has zero respect, and total contempt for anyone that dosen't share his socialist vision for the country. I'm just sayin'. There has been a severe lack of leadership on display since day one, and that anyone would try and deny that fact is pretty odd. I wish I could say that I was surprised by his glaring incompetence, but I always knew that Barry was nothing more than a hard left community organizer with zero real world experience. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:45pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:17pm:
a few of us here been talking about the leak for over a month, guess you're like Obama, since you just showed up and late too, and had nothing constructive or helpful either... you, like him just talk alot and try to sound all important... do you say "um" alot too? When BP lied and said it wasn't that bad in the begining... and said they could fix it... i had no idea socialists were out to destroy the envoirment... looks like fuman quit the board, does that mean you won't ever post your foul attack posts? YAY!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:46pm The conservatives are salivating over this..... Why? They never cared about the environment before.[/quote] It's the second time you have said this stupid shit. I don't think anyobody is salivating, people, including me, are scared, pissed and disgusted. I guess you can put me a little to the right, so why should I give a damn that the gulf coast is fucked? Common man enough with that crap. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Wild Bill on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:58pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:17pm:
Mr. Riffhard, you would be an honored guest at my home any day. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 10:18pm Pdog wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:45pm:
Quick and concise rebuttal if I may. Firstly, I am not the damned president. I, posting on a message board, have zero ability to stop the leak, or lead the cleanup process anymore than the people who have been posting on this thread since day one have, or Obama has, for that matter. Obummer's handling of this mess makes Bush's handling of Katrina look down right brilliant by comparison. Secondly, I am not the one making any attacks. You seem to be the one that can't let go of the anger. I am only angry that we have an incompetent boob running the show. The same people who were so quick to slam Bush for everything seem to turn a blind eye to the piss poor job that Barry has done over the last 18 months. This leak is merely the latest example of his total lack of leadership, and hands off approach to handling the nation's problems. Thirdly, your complete one sided view of funman's own attacks are pretty telling. The guy constantly slammed people of faith, and his last attack (and it was an attack), of the military was just enough to get me to call him out harshly. That I chose to kill a knat with a howitzer is of no consequence to me. I have since tuned a new leaf as I posted in an earlier post. I'd hate to see him leave (really!) but that's not a choice that I made for him. If ya can't lift your leg and piss with the big dogs then you can you sit in a puddle with the puppies for all I care. Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 10:41pm Wild Bill wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:58pm:
LOL! Why thank you Wild Bill. Likewise my brother! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:01pm Pdog wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:45pm:
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by 2000monkey on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:03pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:17pm:
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:18pm 2000monkey wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:03pm:
Funny, but I didn't vote for Obummer. Who's the stupid one now? Ya can't say I didn't try and warn you. Do you really think things are doing better now that we have had to cope with 18 months of this leftist brand of idiocy? What's better now then when Bush was POTUS? Let's see- Economy? Nope. Employment? Nope. National Security? Nope. Transparency and honest accountability from the White House? Nope. Hope? Nope. Change? Well, we certainly got that, but, is it better than what we had before? Uhh, hell Nope! Meanwhile, at least we know that Obama is gonna keep his foot on the throat of BP! Yippee! That should do wonders for the marshlands, the recreational beaches, the commercial and private fishing businesses, the estuaries, rivers, and streams, the rookeries and hatcheries, and all of the wildlife. That's leadership for you! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by 2000monkey on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 12:00am Riffhard wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:18pm:
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 12:46am
Ok,rather than get into another prolonged pissing contest with somebody and coming off as the world's biggest Obama apologist. Seriously,I think the best way to handle the cleanup. BP is still responsible for the leak. But as for the oil that's already in the gulf. Let the power's that be in the gulf states call their own shot's as to what to do about the cleanup. This is their land,their property,their livelihood. They know their territory better than anyone. If they want to build sandbar's,put boon's in a certain area. Or whatever idea they have. Let them do whatever they think is necessary and send the bill to BP. This is when the Govt needs to get the fuck out the way....Unfortunately everything is ruled by politics these days....And yes I'll admit,some of the current admins decsions are more than a little influenced by thinking ahead about how these states will go when in comes to reelection time.....But any other prez would likely act the same way.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 3:46am
pdizzle wrote- "You do know, there's no one on this planet, to stop it..."
That's some crazy shit right there. Everyone needs to try and wrap their head around that. Politics, wars, economy take a back seat to that shit right there. Did I hear Christmas maybe to stop it now? You've got to be fucking kidding me? Peace Be Still |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:48am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 12:46am:
Great idea. The problem-the Govt has not allowed these states to act on their own. There are countless roadblocks which the Govt has placed in States way. The Govt wants environmental impact studies on most every oil prevention effort the States have attempted. Little does the Govt know that the very environment which they want to protect is being destroyed by this needless red tape. This is where the Govt needs to suspend regulations & act. Don't forget, it was the Govt who granted the licenses to BP & Trans Ocean to drill in Gov't controlled water. They need to hold BP & Trans Ocean to the tenants of these licenses for the impact of this disaster. Presently, the Govt is acting like it will all just go away, where it really is going to get worse. Best thing each & every one of us can do=marshal an effort of our friends, neighbors, relatives to call your senator/congressman/White House to express how you feel & demand action. This is going to effect our economy & our way of living. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 7:32am Riffhard wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 10:18pm:
you're so rude... i'm angry, but you anger towrds him was justified... show me where I went off on anyone. Who brought hostile politics tothis thread... your posting is like the oil leak, it fould up this place. The leak exists b/c BP wasn't safe and didn't care and the people who were supposed to watchover are people appointed from the industry or end up being buddy's with them, so no oversight or safety regualtions. There's also no plan for accidents like this none. We might as well have an astroid heading towards us. Human abuse of this planet and use of oil lead to this... nothing else, it's not poltical, it's behavioral... and the only way to fix it, is for people to change, and you are not willing to change your energy use. You've made that clear before... so shut up, and enjoy the crummy dirty planet you get to have heat and AC and drive your car on... nothing there has anything to do with politics... and your ranting is just boring and not worth reading, i've read it all before... and your rudenss is just lame... you're still bitching about Fuman and he is gone... but you're not angry, it is me who is... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 7:55am
TRANSOCEAN... the people who brought you this epic disaster....
Accidents and incidents [edit]Ixtoc I oil spill Main article: Ixtoc I oil spill On 3 June 1979, an exploratory well being drilled by the semi-submersible, Sedco 135-F on lease to Pemex, blew out in the Bahia de Campeche in the Gulf of Mexico after losing drilling mud circulation. The well ignited, and the burning platform collapsed into the sea over the wellhead causing the largest peace-time oil spill by the time it was capped on 23 March 1980.[17] [edit]Transocean Leader accident On March 2 2002, a Scottish man was killed in an accident aboard the drilling rig, Transocean Leader operated for BP, located about 86 miles west of Aberdeen, Scotland.[18] [edit]Galveston Bay explosion On June 17 2003, one worker was killed, four were hospitalized and 21 were rescued after an explosion on a Transocean gas drilling rig in Galveston Bay, Texas.[19] [edit]Transocean Rather On August 24 2005, the UK Health and Safety Executive issued a notice to Transocean that it had failed to maintain its “remote blow Out preventor control panel … in an efficient state, efficient working order and in good repair.” On November 21 2005, the Transocean was found to be in compliance for this matter.[20] [edit]Bourbon Dolphin/Transocean Rather accident On April 12 2007, the Bourbon Dolphin supply boat sank off the coast of Scotland while it was servicing the Transocean Rather drilling rig, killed eight people. The Norwegian Ministry of Justice established a Commission of Inquiry to investigate the incident, and the commission’s report found a series of "unfortunate circumstances" led to the accident “with many of them linked to Bourbon Offshore and Transocean.” [21][22] [edit]2008 fatalities Two of its workers were reported killed on Transocean vessels in 2008.[23] [edit]Deepwater Horizon drilling rig explosion Main article: Deepwater Horizon drilling rig explosion On April 21, 2010, a fire was reported on a Transocean-owned semisubmersible drilling rig, Deepwater Horizon, made by Hyundai Heavy Industries in Ulsan, South Korea. Deepwater Horizon was a Reading & Bates Falcon RBS8D design, a firm that was acquired by Transocean in 2001. The fire broke out at 10:00 p.m. UTC-7 in US waters of Mississippi Canyon 252 in the Gulf of Mexico. The rig was 41 mi (66 km) off Louisiana coast. The US Coast Guard launched a rescue operation after the explosion, and of the 126 member crew aboard, 11 were killed and seven were critically injured.[24][25] Deepwater Horizon was completely destroyed, and subsequently sank. As the Deepwater Horizon sank the riser pipe that connected the well-head to the rig was severed and as a result oil began to leak into the Gulf of Mexico. Estimates of the leak were in the range of 5,000 to 19,000 barrels per day. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal declared a state of emergency Thursday April 29, as the oil slick grew and headed toward the most important and most sensitive wetlands in North America, threatening to destroy wildlife and the livelihood of thousands of fishermen. This oil slick is considered the largest offshore spill in U.S. history. The head of BP Group told CNN's Brian Todd on April 28 that the accident could have been prevented, and focused blame on rig owner Transocean.[26] On May 14, 2010 U.S. president Barack Obama stated "...executives of BP and Transocean and Halliburton falling over each other to point the finger of blame at somebody else," when referring to the congressional hearings held during the continued flow of oil in the Gulf of Mexico resulting from an oil rig platform explosion. "The American people could not have been impressed with that display, and I certainly wasn't." [edit]Industry reputation Transocean was rated as a leader in its industry for many years, however, since its merger with GlobalSantaFe in 2007, its reputation has suffered considerably, according to Energy Point Research, an independent oil service industry rating firm. From 2004 to 2007, Transocean was the leader or near the top among deep-water drillers for "job quality" and "overall satisfaction." In 2008 and 2009, surveys ranked Transocean last among deep-water drillers for "job quality" and next to last in "overall satisfaction." In 2008 and 2009, the firm ranked first for in-house safety and environmental policies, and in the middle of the pack for perceived environmental and safety record. [27] The Deepwater Horizon explosion and massive oil spill starting in April 2010, has further hurt its reputation. “Transocean is dominant, but the accident has definitely tarnished its reputation for worker safety and for being able to manage and deliver on extraordinarily complex deepwater projects,” said Christopher Ruppel, an energy expert and managing director of capital markets at Execution Noble, an investment bank. Transocean spokespeople declined to comment on the firm's reputation.[4] |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 8:01am
Transocean has also made it so ,they avoid paying their fair share of taxes, yet recieve huge amounts of money from the fed, in terms of what "we" do for them... the cost of gas, the hidden costs are huge...
ask yourself, why aren't they paying 35% tax on their earning, since they make tons of money using the federal waters for the rigs they supply? but not only that, with all the money they don't pay in taxes, they use that to hire lobbyists and hget people apointed to regulatory positions in the govt. so they help set the policies on enery and all the oversight... you want politics... there's your politcs... and the right is concerned that some poor folks somewhere are getting free healthcare... sick people, sick envoirment and a few people destroying it for profit with no one to stop them... I think your peiorities are all screwed up... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 8:11am
This was supposed to be the summer of new Stones not oil disaster.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 8:29am Some Guy wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 8:11am:
Exoiled On Gulf Coast |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 9:21am Pdog wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 8:29am:
oil's well that ends well....NOT! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 9:21am Pdog wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 8:29am:
not bad... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 11:07am Some Guy wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 9:21am:
I just heard the cut worked and a cap may get put on? BP also needs to pay these, fisherman they hired to do clean up people, NOW... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:59pm
Another heartbreaking consequence of this disaster:
Donated pet food on way to help oil spill-impacted coastal Louisiana residents care for their animals By The Times-Picayune June 03, 2010, 3:18PM A truck loaded with donated dog and cat food is scheduled to arrive in Belle Chasse this afternoon to help coastal Louisiana pet owners struggling with economic hardship due to the Gulf oil spill, the Humane Society of the United States said. The animal group coordinated the donation of 12 tons of dog and cat food from Mars Petcare U.S. and a third of a ton of dog food from The Humane Choice Company, the news release said. The food will be turned over to Plaquemines Parish's Department of Health and Animal Control, where staff members and volunteers will distrbute it to residents in areas of coastal Louisiana affected by the BP spill. "The Humane Society of the United States was saddened to hear that animals inland from the shoreline are also suffering from this disaster," said Julia Breaux, the Humane Society's Louisiana director. She said the donated food would help pet owners continue caring for their animals rather than have to give them up. Breaux said she got word from Susan Sampey of the Plaquemines Parish Animal Welfare Society that there had been an increase of owners giving their animals to area shelters because of economic hardship related to the oil spill. In the news release, Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser said the donation would be a big help to area residents suffering economic hardship due to the oil spill. http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/donated_pet_food_on_way_to_hel.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 7:51pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:59pm:
as far as I know, these animals have never worked or paid taxes, and just expect free food... sometimes these aimals will return affection to humans, so they are more like 4 legged hookers... whores looking for handouts!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 9:28pm Pdog wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 7:51pm:
I agree with you RiffDog :smilemick |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Brainbell Jangler on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 9:55pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:18pm:
Riffy, Thanks for asking. It is stupid to believe that a pragmatic, accomodationist moderate progressive like Barack Obama is a doctrinaire socialist. It is stupid to believe that human-caused global warming is a myth created to generate research funds. It is stupid to believe that Sarah Palin is qualified to be President; or even a shaky, septuagenarian heartbeat away. It is stupid to believe that Mark Levin is a constitutional scholar. Drill, baby, drill? Stupid. It is stupid to believe that Big Oil should be trusted to drill a mile below the surface. It is stupid to blame Barack for Cheney's Petro-Katrina. It is stupid to call people stupid names like "drone" (and all the worse ones) because we don't always agree with you. Intelligent people can disagree without being disagreeable. Stupid is as stupid does. Looking for a learning curve, Brainy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 11:07pm Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 9:55pm:
that is brilliant and gave me the best little (should I say smug) giggle I have had in sometime... best part, is disagreeing, without being disagreeable... this is how you can respond, without being foul or attacking... my hat is off to you brainy. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by leonid on Jun 4th, 2010 at 4:28am Starbuck wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 11:01pm:
You used to be funny. Now all you do is stir shit. Why, Why, Why, why............. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by leonid on Jun 4th, 2010 at 4:47am Pdog wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 9:45pm:
I hope Fuman didn't quit. Though if he did I would understand. You can only deal with so much white trash before you realize it's all in vain. . :areyoufuckingserious |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:28am
Now this is some funny twisted logic and warped blame... I am so glad this person isn't a politician anymore... I really like the end, where she forgot who once employed her husband, must've not noted on her hand...
ENJOY, Idiots Rule!!! n her latest note on Facebook, Sarah Palin is blaming "extreme 'environmentalists'" for causing the gulf oil disaster that has been unfolding for over a month. Her logic is that because environmentalists push for tougher drilling regulations onshore in places like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (also known as ANWR) it forces oil companies to explore deeper offshore drilling which has more risks. Palin writes: With [environmentalists'] nonsensical efforts to lock up safer drilling areas, all you're doing is outsourcing energy development, which makes us more controlled by foreign countries, less safe, and less prosperous on a dirtier planet. Your hypocrisy is showing. You're not preventing environmental hazards; you're outsourcing them and making drilling more dangerous. Extreme deep water drilling is not the preferred choice to meet our country's energy needs, but your protests and lawsuits and lies about onshore and shallow water drilling have locked up safer areas. It's catching up with you. The tragic, unprecedented deep water Gulf oil spill proves it. You can read her full note on Facebook here. http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/extreme-enviros-drill-baby-drill-in-anwr-now-do-you-get-it/395324638434 This is one of several comments about the oil spill Palin has made that has caused a stir, including a tweet in which she said we said we shouldn't trust BP because it is a foreign oil company. Palin's husband Todd worked for BP for 18 years. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:50am 2000monkey wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 12:00am:
That's great. Is that Riffy behind her? :-* |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 4th, 2010 at 11:00am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:50am:
Louisiana isn't the only place that has shrimp, said BP Rep Randy Prescott. His office number is (713) 323-4093 and his email is [email protected]. Call him or email him. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on Jun 4th, 2010 at 11:34am
The Justice Department considers criminal prosecutions related to the Gulf oil spill
By Saulius Mikalonis June 02, 2010, 10:27AM "If there were no bad people there would be no good lawyers." - Charles Dickens On June 1, 2010, the United States Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the Justice Department would begin a criminal investigation relating to the ongoing release of hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. This should come as no surprise, given the conflicting reports about how this accident occurred. In fact, one BP employee has reportedly invoked his constitutional right against self-recrimination under the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution during testimony before a federal panel investigating the environmental disaster unfolding in our southern waters. While the most pressing matter for the United States Government and BP is to stem the flow of oil into the Gulf, numerous private lawsuits have already been filed against BP and others. Enterprising attorneys have set up informational websites concerning the oil spill, like this one or this one, perhaps hoping to direct potential plaintiffs to their law firms. It is not out of the realm of possibility that BP may be facing public and private liability in the tens of billions of dollars. According to the Justice Department, its lawyers are looking at a variety of statutes to determine if criminal suits against those responsible for the explosion at the Deepwater Horizon rig and subsequent continuing release of oil are appropriate. The most obvious potential criminal prosecutions would be based on the criminal provisions of the Clean Water Act and the Oil Pollution Act of 1990. Under the Clean Water Act (and the Oil Pollution Act), criminal penalties for negligent violations bring $2,500 to $25,000 per day fines and imprisonment of up to one year. "Knowing" violations of the Act can expose a defendant to $5,000 to $50,000 per day fines and up to three years of prison. In addition, the Clean Water Act has significant penalties for "knowing endangerment", that is placing a person in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury, which carries with it fines up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to 15 years. Federal prosecutors will also look at statutes that protect wildlife for potential criminal charges, like the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Endangered Species Act. Also, while environmental statutes will likely be the basis of any future criminal enforcement efforts, recall that eleven workers on the rig died when it exploded on April 20. There are federal criminal penalties for negligent and reckless homicide that may also apply to these set of facts. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on Jun 4th, 2010 at 2:26pm
Cue pic of crying Indian.
Florida coast suffers first impact from oil spill PENSACOLA BEACH, Florida (Reuters) – Tar balls and sticky oil sheen washed ashore on a northwest Florida beach on Friday, the first apparent impact on the tourism-dependent state from the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Oil debris came ashore on Pensacola Beach, part of the Gulf Islands National Seashore which advertises "the world's whitest beaches," as the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history continued to widen. Florida, the "Sunshine State" with a $60 billion annual tourism industry, had braced for oil from the 46-day-old spill to arrive. Oil had already hit the coasts of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama to the west. Beachgoers on Pensacola Beach, many of them children, picked up rust colored tar blobs, ranging in size from a button to a table tennis ball, scattered along the sugar-white sands. Grace Vondohlen had a sticky substance on her hands from picking up the tar balls. "It's pretty sad because we go here on vacation every summer, and now we won't be able to go any more. I just can't believe it, because it used to be all just white sand," she said. Buck Lee, director of the Santa Rosa Island Authority, said he could not be sure the oil came from the spill leaking from BP Plc's undersea Gulf of Mexico well off Louisiana "but I'm 90 percent certain that it is." The oil would be analyzed to confirm the link with the oil spill, the worst in U.S. history. Of all the states affected so far, Florida has the most to lose. Tourism is its largest industry, generating $60 billion in spending from more than 80 million visitors a year, bringing in 21 percent of all state sales taxes and employing nearly 1 million people. Near Fort Pickens on Santa Rosa Island, workers scooped up tar balls with shovels along the high-water line and put them into plastic bags. "They're working in an area that's pretty sensitive and has tern nesting areas," National Park Services spokeswoman Katie Lawhon said. "I think it's horrible," said Anthony Cross, who was walking along Pensacola Beach with his three daughters, holding a child's fishing net full of tar. "You see shells and jellyfish and trash but I've never seen oil here. It's crazy," he added. 'JUST BEGINNING' Florida authorities rushed to implement contingency plans to deal with the arriving oil, sending out cleanup crews and deploying extra protective boom. "Right now, the state of Florida is seeing impact, it's time to get the game face on," said David Halstead, director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management. Florida tourism authorities are rolling out an aggressive advertising campaign, partially funded by BP, aimed at stressing that the state's beaches remain open for business, despite the pollution threat. Florida Governor Charlie Crist has asked BP executives for an additional $50 million to fight the encroaching oil, on top of $25 million already received from the company and spent. On Friday, Crist asked the British-based company for $100 million more to fund spill response efforts by the Florida Institute of Oceanography, a partnership of 21 universities and other marine science organizations. Florida tourism officials, promising "100 percent transparency", are using live video and Twitter feeds so visitors can check the situation of beaches before booking. "We're not going to sit here and say, 'the whole state of Florida is going to be shut down as a result of this', because that's just not true. There are a whole lot of things that you can do in Florida other than on the beaches," said Chris Thompson, who heads the state tourism marketing board. But he acknowledged the spill crisis was impacting tourism through cancellations and a fall in visitor inquiries. Investment analysts say that since Florida has no income tax and relies heavily on sales tax revenues, any fall-off in tourism could badly squeeze a state economy still bleeding from a housing market meltdown and the global recession. Many experts believe crude from the Gulf of Mexico spill may have already been caught up in the powerful Loop Current curling around the Florida Peninsula, which could take it into the Florida Keys and possibly up the East Coast. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 4th, 2010 at 3:07pm
I still can remember seeing those beaches as a very small child... never saw anything like it, reminded me of snow...
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on Jun 4th, 2010 at 3:53pm
They call it "singing sand" because it squeaks when you walk on it. It is as fine as chalk dust.
Its so beautiful. around Destin and GulfShores. The beaches are so pristine. Looks like coke!?  2596640.jpg (Attachment deleted) |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 4th, 2010 at 6:42pm
Day number 46. It only took Barry Obummer 36 days to visit the area for the first time. He spent exactly three hours in the region, but that didn't stop him from spending 5 hours on the golf course the very next day! That's leadership!
He sucks. He sucks with teeth in fact. Oh, and then there's this---> MAY: 9.7% UNEMPLOYMENT... Government Jobs Account for 95% of Job Increases... MARKETS MELT... Census Worker Claims Job Numbers Being Inflated... Census Purposely Over-Hired As 'Cost-Saving Measure'... LOL! Since day one with this regime in charge Barry has managed to average 4.7 billion dollars a day on government spending! That's four times what Bush spent, but I guess that's all Bush's fault. Right, drones? Oh, and BJ, nice strawman! Nicely played! Take everything that I ever said about the absolute myth of man made global warming and remove any context from it. Nice! I made the point that research scientists are in it for the research grants. They are. In fact I have facts on my side. It is an irrefutable fact that both Dr. Micheal Mann, and Dr. Bruce Johnson have lied repeatedly about this phoney science. The reason they lied was to get millions more in government grants, but the real villian here is the leftist freaks in the UN and the Obummer Admin. that have used faulty data to try and pass cap and trade in order to gain more and more power. Some people are fools, and those morons believe anything that makes them feel good about helping poor Mother Gia! (that's the Earth to most rational thinking people.) He's a one term chump, but some here seem willing to follow this left wing ideologue right off the cliff. 4.7 billion dollars a day! Our kid's are going to love paying that back! As will thier kids, and so on, and so on, and so on........... Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 4th, 2010 at 7:06pm
you want to start I hate Obama thread? the adults here are talking gulf oil leak and envoirmental disaster, not employment and climate change...
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Ginda on Jun 4th, 2010 at 7:09pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Brainbell Jangler on Jun 4th, 2010 at 7:43pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 6:42pm:
You want to talk about the economy? Really? Evidently you forget the mess BushCheney left for Barack to clean up. Unemployment? Howe much worse would it have been without the stimulus you douche baggers love to hate? Sure, Barack could have gotten better results if he'd invested in a bigger public works program as recommended by Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman. But Repugnicans and economically illiterate Blew Dogs prevented that. That's the beauty of the obstructionist position; you stop anything from getting done and then complain that Barack is not doing anything (when you're not busy bitching about him doing too much). And the stock market? Is it back to that? It wasn't that long ago that the stock market was rising rapidly; I recall you said that didn't matter. Before that, when the market was tanking, it was all you wanted to talk about. So much for any semblance of intellectual honesty. So, pointing out your Know Nothing position on global warming is a straw man? Howe about your support for $i$ter $arah? Drill, dummy, drill? Mark Levin? Name me one reputable constitutional scholar from any point on the spectrum (Larry Tribe to Richard Posner) who pays any attention to that Rushbot. I assume you hold the Bobby Jindal position on deep water drilling. Money--even $4.7 billion a day--can be replaced. This planet cannot. This is a good place to apply Cheney's 1% principle; if there's even a one percent chance of irreversible environmental damage, it's just not worth the risk. BP is Cheney's Katrina. The Great Recession of 2008 was the crowning achievement of the Reagan Revolution. Harry Reid is looking tough and Kendrick Meek is coming on strong. In the immortal words of Dr. Howard Dean, "yeehaaaaw!" Brainy :forfucksake |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:08pm Pdog wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 7:06pm:
ROTFLMMFAO!!!! Yeah I'm sure you felt that way when BJ made you snicker, huh? I guess his off topic post made you smile because it made you feel has if he'd "got" me, right? (Talk about snickering! I was flat out guffawing at that one!) How about the cartoon with Palin and McCain? That was on topic, right? How about that freakshow, leonid? His off topic snarky assed post was fine too, huh? Your double standards are getting tiresome. And as for any I Hate Obama thread? His complete lack of leadership is on display for all to see, thus making one of those threads rather redundant. Don't cha think? Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:11pm
yay!
the politics thread is back. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:16pm leonid wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 4:28am:
moi? you say shit stirrer, i say social commentarian. pdog? riffy? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:19pm Riffhard wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:08pm:
they responded, to you... you're an army of one pretty much, i admire your tenacity... oh wait, no i don't, i find it annoying, tenacity is an asset, you're just being stubborn... but no, i didn't like the pic of palin, thought it was rude, just like you're postal post last week... but BJ's response was a funny and a perfect hit and sink against your battleship... you started a new politics thread... i'm sure voo and gaz are wet with pleasure. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 4th, 2010 at 9:12pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:11pm:
No Bucky, I think I'm gonna bag out on this Thread of Denial. It's going to be frustrating enough just watching this unfolding disaster in the Gulf while an inept, unexperienced communnity organizer cum professorial hard left, liberal socialist, narcissistic moron plays golf and bitches about capitalism and our evil American dependency on oil. All the while continuing to spend future generations into abject poverty, and create absolutly nothing but an ever expanding government. No. I'm going to leave this one to the folks that are still smitten with an inexperienced charismatic ideologue. Oil spill, Iran nuking up, Israel being threatened on all sides, North Korea sinking a South Korean ship killing 46, continued threats from Islamic radicals both inside and outside the USA,The European economy crumbling, Unemployment at 9.7% and growing, massive deficit spending with no signs of slowing down,......what me worry? Nah! I'm sure Barry's got this shit covered. He's so historic! This is gonna be a fuckin' disaster! You blindfolded sheep can talk amongst yourselves. I'm out. Good luck to our brothers and sisters in the Gulf region. Barry's got yer back! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jun 4th, 2010 at 9:23pm
riffsmooch, come on. you won't back out. you never do.
do you not see the negativity that you espouse? other conservatives such as nankopotomus are able to convey their complete and utter contempt for the current administration and not do it in a negative way or come off as such a condescending dink. the thing is, you are right in a great many of your opinions....but when you broadcast your opinions as clear facts, and those that don't agree with you are #@$king drone simpletons, it is more insulting than bringing a bottle of jack daniel's to an AA meeting. cut the crap, OK? some of us would actually be interested in discussing politics, and you ruin it for everyone else. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:03pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 9:23pm:
No really, I'm done! :) I shan't be back on this thread, precisely for some of the reasons you have mentioned in your post, Buckster. However, I would argue that I have gotten as good as I have given. I'm an army of one, afterall! I'm taking on a whole pack of posters that have blindly fallen prey to a piss poor president, and ignored all evidence of his ineptitude since long before the election. They are so emotionally committed to this guy they can't turn back now. To do so would be to admit that they were horribly wrong about this hack. Even though in their heart of hearts they know it too ;)! I am just absolutly disgusted by this fool, and his administration full of hard left freaks. Everything that I knew would happen has happened, and worse. My kids are not going to grow up in the same country that I grew up in. They will not have the same opportunities that I had, and they will be shackled with a debt that they did not create! And for what? For some leftist freak's idea of a nanny state cradle to grave entitlement society that will bankrupt the nation?! We gotta spread it around, right?! Liberals seem to be devoid of the ability, or the modesty, to learn from history. Not all liberals, mind you. Only the far left ideological types like Barry, and those that still can't see the extreme damage that he's causing. To continue with this argument would be tantamount to pissing in the wind. Plus, as I have said in the past, real world events are proving my point anyway. He sucks. Period. The end. No hard feelings. See you in another thread. Riffy PS-Loved the bottle of Jack at the AA meeting analogy! LOL! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jun 5th, 2010 at 12:04am
riffsloops?
you say this: Quote:
...and continue with this: Quote:
you're like the drunk who says, "one more scotch before I leave. please give me six, and btw i'm staying all night." you say, "i'm leaving!" and you don't leave. if you're not going to leave, then don't say, "i'm leaving!" you dig? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by 2000monkey on Jun 5th, 2010 at 2:03am Pdog wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:19pm:
WTF..The newzes were ablaze yesterday with footage of Ms.TwiddleFace trying to back out of her "Drill Baby, Drill" comments from the Republican Presidental campaign. The same campaign we were just pissed on once again for not supporting. The pic was nether rude nor off topic. You may not like my taste in editorial humor, but no need to compare it to any of the Riffwinger's stunts. He may or may not be as stupid as he claims to be but he has far more mouth and energy than I could ever hope for to try and make that case! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 5th, 2010 at 7:41am 2000monkey wrote on Jun 5th, 2010 at 2:03am:
we are dealing with someone who flies off the handle, and he was correct in saying I gave him shit, and not you... so you got your shit too... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 5th, 2010 at 7:46am Riffhard wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 10:03pm:
in the fine print, this means at a thread and time of your choosing, you will return hijack it and post politics... so you're not really backing out, are you...? you've posted this line before, only to return with a personal attack on someone and bitching about how the america you deserve by birthright has been taken from you, bu unAmaerican commies... from my POV you don't have many options left... looks like survival mode for you and your fellow self appointed patriots to save america. for those about to rock, we salute you!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 6th, 2010 at 7:01am
Meet Ro Mayer, the founder of the Krewe of Dead Pelicans
By Doug MacCash, The Times-Picayune June 05, 2010, 5:00AM Chris Granger / The Times-Picayune Ro Mayer, a local artist, costumer and real estate agent, finds herself in the unlikely role of radical after using Facebook to organize the Krewe of Dead Pelicans, an informal, Carnival-style krewe that tonight will protest the BP oil spill. Mayer’s sculpture of a cracked earth seems to underscore her concern for the environment. An unlikely radical hopes for an impressive turnout Saturday for an impromptu oil spill protest A New Orleans real estate agent and costume-maker hopes to provide her fellow New Orleanians with a Crescent City-style catharsis as the second unimaginable manmade catastrophe in five years seizes the region. Using nothing more than an Internet social networking site, she’s invited all comers to protest the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill by joining a Carnival-style krewe and gathering for a symbolic funeral parade Saturday (June 5) at 5:30. Ro Mayer is a happily married 57-year-old real estate agent who lives on a picturesque oak-lined Uptown street. By her own account, she’s not the street protest type — at least not in the past. Mayer spent most of May simmering with anxiety as the unparalleled ecological disaster unfolded day by day on the front page of the newspaper. She said her sense of helplessness was familiar. “It made me feel like Katrina,” Mayer said recently as she sat on her breezy front porch, the sounds of bird calls and wind chimes filling the spring air. “This is happening. The thing is out there in the Gulf circulating and we don’t have any power. We’re not even able to go anywhere to get out of the way. Nobody appears to be doing anything about it, and I don’t have the power to do anything about it, and I don’t know anyone who’s stepping up, saying they have the power to do anything about it.” Chris Granger / The Times-Picayune Ro Mayer, founder of the Krewe of Dead Pelicans Mayer said that as a Realtor, she fears the cascading effect a disaster such as the BP oil spill can have on a regional economy. “A lot of people, they’ve gone and made mortgages, rebuilt their businesses; they’ve borrowed to the hilt. They believe in this city. They believe in this area. They wanted to come back, and now, to what?” “I’m not Bruce Willis,” Mayer said. So she was not able to dive to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico in a submarine like a Hollywood action hero and single-handedly staunch the geyser of crude oil erupting from the damaged well head, she explained dryly. The truth is, she said, there really was nothing she could do. But she had to do something anyway. “I just needed a place to channel my frustration,” she said, “and I felt like, ‘If I feel that way, other people must feel that way.’ ” To vent her irritation, she shifted to her creative side. Mayer, who grew up in Crowley and moved to New Orleans in 1974, studied fine art in college and has practiced her skills ever since as a watercolorist, collage maker, and, most recently, by designing elaborate Mardi Gras costumes. Splendidly adorned as Marie Antoinette, Mayer appeared in a 2006 Times-Picayune Carnival photo spread. So it’s not surprising perhaps that the oil spill protest she envisioned would take the form of a costumed Crescent City street procession held in the arts district. Once the idea struck, Mayer said, everything moved quickly. Late on May 22, she created a Facebook page inviting readers to join the Krewe of Dead Pelicans — she chose the state bird as a symbol because it once was threatened, had bounced back and now is threatened again. Krewe members will gather on Julia Street amid the art galleries during the already scheduled First Saturday Art Walk block party tonight from 6 to 9. By May 26, an astonishing 3,000 Facebook members had added the Krewe of Dead Pelicans to their lists of online friends. VIDEO: http://tribeca.vidavee.com/advance/doc/F6D89D070D130D19662483830D6F8F55?AF_deliveryChannel=play “I threw it up on the Facebook wall, and it stuck,” Mayer said. Mayer’s Facebook page describes a do-it-yourself costume, consisting of black pants and blue shirts or blouses, meant to represent the unfortunate mixing of oil and ocean, plus a blue umbrella blotted with black paint. Mayer suggests that a plush toy pelican ride atop each umbrella. “Shrimp boots will be worn,” she said. Mayer said she plans to include a cardboard coffin in the parade, with an effigy occupant representing the Gulf of Mexico. She’s heard that other krewe members plan to parade in pelican skeleton costumes. Mayer said that a week after the original Facebook posting, 400 people had confirmed that they plan to attend the event. She hopes to arrive at what she calls a “critical mass” of those critical of the BP ecological disaster. “We will either proceed or we won’t,” she said of the parade. “It just depends on what the reaction is and how many people show up.” Gallery director Zack Smith, who has volunteered his Canary Gallery on Julia Street as a Krewe of Dead Pelicans headquarters before tonight’s parade, said he discovered the loose-knit organization on Facebook. The parade, he believes, offers a creative antidote to the anger so many residents of the region are feeling. “In Katrina,” Smith said, “you could pick up a chain saw and cut a tree or drag a refrigerator out of a house.” But during this disaster there’s no way to lend a hand, he said, so people’s energies are being wasted. The parade might provide a welcome outlet. Instead of just being outraged, “Dead Pelicans incorporated art and positive energy,” Smith said. Loyola University professor Cynthia Garza said that she and five friends are finishing a set of papier-mâché pelican heads for Saturday’s procession. Like Smith, Garza said she was having trouble channeling her frustration until she spotted KoDP on Facebook. The parade, she said, will give her and her friends an opportunity to “pay homage to the pelican and make a statement about what’s being lost.” Mayer points out that although she has put herself at the forefront of a public protest, she still isn’t particularly radical in her point of view. Far from it. “I’m a comfortable, middle-class American, used to my cars and my oil,” she said. “I think we need our oil. But we need to see it better regulated.” Mayer, who refers to herself as the “Miss Manners” of political action, said she has no use for any sort of confrontation. “I’m not interested in being ugly or angry,” she said. “But I couldn’t not say something. I couldn’t not say it once I thought of it. I stuck my neck out. Remember, I was Marie Antoinette.” THE KREWE OF DEAD PELICANS What: An informal Carnival-style krewe, open to all, protests the BP oil spill during the First Saturday Art Walk on Julia Street. Where: Meet at Canary Gallery, 329 Julia St. When: Saturday (June 5), 5:30 p.m. Recommended costumes: Black pants and blue shirts or blouses, plus shrimp boots and a blue umbrella blotted with black paint. Organizer Ro Mayer suggests that a plush toy pelican ride atop each umbrella. VIDEO: http://tribeca.vidavee.com/advance/doc/982F51F15BD99494F369EDA26A33FA50?AF_deliveryChannel=play |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 6th, 2010 at 8:59am
How to boycott BP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juQdIoaISqg |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:47am
are we seeing improvements there?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 7:29am Some Guy wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:47am:
50k gals a day... how many days did it take for oil to hit the beaches? How much oil is below the surface, how many dead animals never float or wash up? How long will it take to stop the flow... then realize BP has lied about the numbers... so you can't be sure your figuring out the estimates correctly.... and you don't hear the call for alt energy... all this oney all this mess put into this... imagine if these resorces had been used to find something different. Even with failure, at least we would've tried and catastrophes like this might not happen. These oil companies do not care... health and safety isn't even a concern... they just want to pump oil as cheaply as possible, not paying their fair share of taxes in federal areas and avoiding oversight... what a gig they got... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:55am
this thread needs a relief well
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:59am
Where are all of the "Save The Gulf" concerts?
Where are the celebs such as Sean Penn, Spike Lee, Kanye West? Is this not as important as the earthquake in Haiti? Where is Michael Moore asking the hard questions about BP & their operation? Why isn't FEMA not providing disaster relief to the fisherman who have lost their jobs from this disaster on Federal land? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:12am Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:59am:
all just stunned and waiting for a miracle |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:20am Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:59am:
sean penn has been non-stop working on haiti releif... why don't you organize a concert... is your job telling other people what they should be doing? you kinda sound like one of those do as i say, not as i do'er.... as much as i feel for those who are hit economically, ecologically is where all our efforts need to be focused... there is no economics if the envoirment is not the first priority, and guitars and concerts won't do too much to save animals choking on oil right now... until the leak is stopped... what are we going to do, give money to BP? Why is your anger focused on celebs... I don't know how FEMA works to get folks money quickly, of course that is a federal clusterfuck... i think the bigger question is, why isn't BP paying the fisherman working on the clean up and why is the CEO saying people who are getting sick during the clean up may just have food poisoning... you can be angry at whoever you want, but Michael Moore and Kanye West... didn't create this and don't have to fix it... what you just said, would be like going to the eye doctor and complainnig you haven't been served any food by them... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:30am Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:59am:
I got a better idea. Let's have a send the bill to BP concert. We'll have a bunch of really good bands do a benefit for all the fisherman along the gulf coast. Except nobody has to pay for it. Just send BP a bill for another 10 mill. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:34am Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:20am:
Time out. Do not forget who granted the permits to drill to BP. That's right, the US Govt. The US Govt permitting process holds these companies liable for spills such as this. The permits also are supposed to have govt officials determine before drilling, as well as during operation if a company is operating correctly. There have been many reports since this tragedy that BP, along with Trans Ocean were operating in a substandard manner. All I am saying is why is not more being done by the likes of Michael Moore, who made millions of dollars going after companies such as GM, to investigate this? Is not what BP did more harmful than what GM ever did? All I am saying is there was widespread assistance to the people in these other tragedies almost instantly. The only one I've seen coming forward here is Kevin Costner, and he may have an ulterior motive. These are hard working Americans on our soil who have been and will be financially effected for decades to come. I find it very ironic that given the enormity of this tragedy that there is a lack of importance placed on this by the very movie stars who have wined & dined their way thru the Gulf Coast for decades. Maybe I'm missing this, maybe celebs are doing something, sorry to take up bandwidth if I have missed this. Tell you what-I'll fly there to do something the same day you fly there. In the meantime, I'm calling on friends/relatives to call your senators and congressman's to demand The White House to start acting Presidential instead of hosting parties at the White House, or worrying about which NBA team LeBron plays for, and act daily on this disaster. I would ask you consider doing the same. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:53am
if we can get that puppy under control we'll be shitting in tall cotton when it comes to oil.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 10:27am
anyone heard about a second leak?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 10:28am Pdog wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 3:07pm:
BP We drill anywhere, man. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 7th, 2010 at 10:44am Some Guy wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 10:27am:
I took a second leak this morning. ::) |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 10:46am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 10:44am:
not bad... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 7th, 2010 at 11:06am Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:59am:
"Gulf Aid" happened a couple of weekends ago in New Orleans. Lenny Kravitz headlined. This was recorded that same weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnR1BrGgRVM :wow |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 11:09am
EG, thanks for this. Again, I apologize, as I did not see this
event given such exposure as other relief events of this type. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 7th, 2010 at 11:28am Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 11:09am:
No apology needed and you're right, it didn't get much exposure. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 1:00pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:34am:
you're upset michael morre isn't doing anything, or other famous people... i have heard you yourself, just recently bitch about stars using their starpower... is only when you deem they should... are these your words or did you cut and paste that response from somewhere... looks familiar? fyi... the white house is doing what they always have done in regards to PR sports ect... do you really need the presidnet to say things to make you feel more secure, or do you just want to complain about a guy you already didn't like... i'm just saying, there's a difference... you think this is about jobs and money? it's about life and the survival of life on this planet, which is created by and sustained by oceans... without that, were dead, and then you won't need to worry about jobs! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 1:32pm Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
Go ahead & Google my words & phrases to find the articles I plagiarized. I'll save you the time as I know you are a busy man. I was fortunate enough to formulate these words on my own. I'm a bit flattered you would hold my thoughts in such high regard! Jobs & money=survival. People who rely upon fishing in the Gulf, who fish within the closed off 32% of the Gulf due to the BP spill are now out of work, where they have not been able to eat for several days. Next will come a spike in the suicide rate from this as banks & other creditors will start to bear down. So it will have a direct correlation to survival. If your not too busy, pleas consider a call to your Senator or Congressman & tell them to get Party Boy Obama's little ass out of the private theater screenings (held last night, did you know?) & down to the Gulf to do something. And to answer your question, yes, I and the majority of Americans feel he is not doing enough. New polls released today indicate 66% of the population of the US are saying the Govt is not doing enough about BP Oil spill. This compared to 62% at it's highest during Katrina. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 1:55pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 1:32pm:
i hope that got alot of govt. cheese for those folks, because i don't think they'll be fishing for another generation or so... you're now teling me that people are going to kill themselves? And they aren't getting food... because the presibet ain't doing enough... so, you're, a conservative, is calling for the feds to give people cash... okay. problem solved...i think... oh wait no, what you're talking about isn't the problem... it's the consequences of the problem... oil leak, envoirmental catastrophes is still ongoing... that is the problem... you keep on obama, that's really going to stop the leak and save the near dead ecosystem. just a sarcastic fyi... i know you're used to reactionary politicans and leaders who have great uniformed one line solutions that have no effect, but sure get people riled up... Obama isn't one of them, he is very smart and can actually multi-task... he actaully could read a book and chew gum... he's failing on many levels, no doubt... because no one did this before, and then he very unobjective critics scrutinizing things of no consequence, like what he had for lunch... what you don't know.. is who and how much he has done... like it would matter... you view is obtuse b/c you don't like him... and that doesn't stop the leak or help the envoirment. which is important to you, i hope.... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 2:19pm Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 1:55pm:
You can spin my words all you want (how did that Google search work out for ya?) I'm saying, so it will be clear: 1. Suspend all environmental restrictions on the Gulf so as to allow items such as unlimited placement of sea berm to protect the marshlands. We do not need to hear that the Gov't wants to study the impact of applying berm, or using sand as a deterrent to oil. 2. Use FEMA authority to assist those individuals who have been placed out of business to operate their business. Send all billing to BP & Trans Ocean. It's not as if FEMA assistance is a new thing. This is not a political assessment of Obama, it's not along party lines. Some people would like to view it this way, truth is any President would be in trouble on this. It's just Obama is sinking quicker than most because of the lack of leadership he's projecting. He promised he could handle everything, remember? It's getting pretty near close to a majority of Americans who feel he's not up to the task of this problem, close to the majority who elected him. It is his problem, yet he is still providing the impression it's ok to party with Macca, so I guess he knows best. All I can see it's what the country is saying, and most feel he's detached from reality. Again, let's not think I'm the only one in this country who is advocating such measures. In summary, I'm bringing forward facts. These are abundantly available to anyone. I'm not here to convince anyone, the oil & it's damage will sadly impact everyone soon enough, including you & I. So good luck to you Pdog. You can choose your learning curve on what's happening from your sources & I'll be choosing mine. Here's to you & I things get better sooner than later. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by texile on Jun 7th, 2010 at 2:35pm Starbuck wrote on Jun 4th, 2010 at 9:23pm:
I grew up in a conservative family, and many of my friends are conservative. I believe there is an inherent cynicism in their thinking, a relentless negativity that supercedes any rational thought. They, or I should say, many of them, cannot see beyond thier hatred, mistrust, disdain, contempt at anything outside of whatever it is they believe. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:03pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 2:19pm:
haha, suspend all envoirmental restrictions... that is really bad... we already know BP is ppoisoning the gulf with chemical disperments and not actually cleainng up the spill... so we give them a free pass to pollute even more... we need to suck up the spill, not more polution... worst idea ever Nellie... no irnony lost that suspending restrictions on drilling, is what go us in this mess... i do like your second idea, although, there is one problem... most of the fishing is done independently... .having been an independent contractor for a long time myseelf, you don't pay unemeployment ins. or into disabilty, unless you want to... and income fluxiates... I lost money for months and moths after september 11th... there was no business, and I didn't get a check form the govt... it was fucked, so i found another source of income and rode it out... i'm not sure how the bueacracy works on this one... it's funny seeing a conservative take the liberal throwm money at it stance... and i'm sure if or when they do, you'll complain about that as a blind spending spree and a nanny state... BP needs to cut the checks now, the assets need to be seaized and people need to be in handcuffs... in a few years, they will be filing bankruptcy and those in charge will not held accountable... and about the chemical dispersemnt going on... that is why you have people in haz mat suits on the beaches and people getting sick... the oil is bad, but these chemicals are insane... this isn't about the federal govt., this is what hasppens when you let free market and unregualted industries do what they want... you like your cheap gas? really wasn't that cheap was it... there's a secondary cost. this is why the rest of the wrold pays so much... b/c they tax the fuck out of it, conserve and don't let the industry call the shots... oh, and many decided a long toime ago, to explore alterante sources using the money from taxes... big companies, big govt... you and i are big fucked... and the envoirment, our planet is being killed... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:20pm Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:03pm:
All the interviews with the mayors of the Parishes in Louisiana cited the inability to work with the government towards approval of the various oil prevention tactics they wanted to employ. They knew how to handle the incoming oil, had the manpower to do so in unemployed fisherman,but were faced with Government impact studies to do so. Sadly for these folks most of the marshes they were looking to protect are ruined forever due to the stupid, arcane Gov't impact studies. This is fact. This did not have to be this way. So yes, for the good of what's left, assign a gov't overseer & give the parishes what they want. The ironic item is some of the tactics BP has been using for chemical treatment could be more harmful than if the berm was approved. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:33pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:20pm:
the mayors knew what to do? right... and the marshes are ruined because BP fucked up... you really want to beleive the consequences are someones fault besides the actual cause... there aren't may aspects of this, that anyone knows what to do... the only thing, i know can be done, is have tankers sucking up oil off the surface... that would mean diverting oil trade.... oh look, there an pink elephant in the room with an 800 lb gorrila... how about BP suspend its ad campaing and just pay the fishermen, and not have the govt. do it, and wait to get paid back? BP isn't even paying for the work being done, that you just mentioned... they are already trying to avoid that... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:44pm
Dog, there are countless videos & interviews
with these folks on all Cable networks showing these mayors pleading for this assistance. Documenting these very denials by the govt. This is all fact, this has happened. It's all there for the eyes to see. This is what James Carville, Obama's leading cheerleader before this happened has also said. This is not some fiction story. Scientists have proven more needed to be done & fast. I'm going away now, as there really is no furthering this topic with you. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:53pm
James Carville from twelve days ago, 2:15 is where he really slams Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P693DaOeQL8
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:40pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:44pm:
allo ver the news, like how they covered the benefit concert, you wanted but didn't know about... from the getgo, i said... no one knows what to do, and everyone is gooing to be retro-experts as we learn what is actually happening... bottom line is, our oil consumption and desire for cheap oil, came squarely into conflict with the oil industries greed and haste at getting to the oil... the billions they make monthly, and they weren't prepared for something like this... think about how much oil has hit the coast, and how long it has been coming out... and when it came ashore... i understand you're worried about fishing jobs and some beaches... these areas are going to be gone, and the fish may never return for generations... not only do i think your focus is in the wrong place, i don't think you really understand how bad this is... what's sad, is your gripe is that the president isn't micro managing the consequences of the worst thing to ever happen to this planet in modern human history. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:43pm
save it for Riffy P
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:50pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:53pm:
You think he slammed Obama, have you heard his views on BP and Trans Ocean? His gripe is Obama hasn't gone after them and shut them down... let's not lose focus and who caused this... this is wholesale murder they are getting away with... imagine if you went to the grocery store and they sent a a team to blow up your house... you think they'd be free and still doing business, or would they be in jail? Can the president even do anything to them besides some words, these guys are like the mafia... untouchable???? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:43pm:
i wake up everyday, sick to my stomach over this catastrophe... i get the same sad feeling seeing this, as i do seeing holocaust images or when the wtc was attacked... Obama should be holding a magaphone screaming we're going to get those who did this, and then we should shut down Cheveron!!! People seem so lost... no one is driving less or talking about energy alternatives... I bet right now, people are trying to figure out how to salvage the oil leaked out and refine it and sell it... there's no solution oriented discussions... just talk of ineefective federal govt??? when were they ever effective to begin with? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:57pm Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
we'll cap it, clean it and then it will be Summer of Stones oh Ten again! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 5:42pm Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:40pm:
Look, I am not personally attacking you, you need to get past that. I do not care who you side with politically, you need to get past that as well. I am watching ABC right now, who was the 1st network in the White House, who serves Obama up on a silver platter each & every-time. The lead headline is how 69% are against the President. I am only reporting what the country is saying. You choose not to believe it, well that's your choice. I choose to look at five or more news broadcasts to determine if there is a bias. So far, it's all the same-validating what the officials on the scene are saying. Obama is not doing enough.why we are here. On alternative energy-great idea. Only problem is The Dems are against it. A wind farm off of Mass has been blocked for years by Kennedy & Kerry. Last time I looked, they were both Dems. In addition, both parties will never do what you want-shut down the oil companies. They both receive too much funding. Obama received more money from BP than any other oil company. The country needs to deal with these firms smarter, that's all. You have an alternative to oil, which will run each vehicle in this country, fire our electric grid? You will be a gazillionaire, never having to squabble on a internet board again. Call your Senator or Congressman today & tell them! Frankly speaking, and given your replies, you will not like to hear this, however, you really need to have the sunshine of reality wake you up. I will apologize to you for saying this, however, I will tell you that I say the same thing to clients who want everything & want to pay nothing for it. I do not care who would be in charge, if the reaction from govt was anything similar to what Obama is doing, the outcry would be as large. The fact is Obama is President, it's on his watch, he's doing little or nothing to bring this matter to a halt. Until such time he turns this around, his entire presidency is in peril. In fact, if it was Bush, the outcry would be five times as loud. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 5:52pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 5:42pm:
can I get the gist of this, I'm a very busy man. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 5:59pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 5:52pm:
apparently i was attacked by ABC News with a silver platter ,b/c 69% (heehee) feel i'm to big to fail on a wind farm. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:01pm
on a serious note.. nelli one wind farm, blocked by a dead guy and frankenstiens long winded brother, do not make dems blocking all alt. energy... did you type that with a straight face? i don't know if you know this, but in west texas they are famring tons of wind... no blocking... just making clean electricity... i'm not judging... but wtf are you talking about...
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:07pm
this ain't bringing moonspicket back :weed :P:booze
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:18pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:07pm:
I don't think he shares in the belief that a black man aka negro male, forceably thrust anything into his mouth and throat region... the sodomification will be podcast! did he really say that, ronnie? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:20pm Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:18pm:
dude |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:55pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:20pm:
a think a cool tee shirt would be one that said; "hey babe, can i spill my oil in your gulf". the trucker mudflap chick image would be a nice touch... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:55pm Pdog wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
Me too, I'm just sick man. The lack of fucking urgency ON Every LEVEL is driving me fucking insane!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 8th, 2010 at 7:34am StPeteStone wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 9:55pm:
In some cases there's definitely a lack of urgency... but for most of this, regarding the leak and the oil moving and washing up, it's so big and the magnitude is so large, people are frozen like deers in the headlights... we're pissing on a forrest fire... the complaints are we ain't pissing enough... yea, sure... it's so big, so bad... we're really just pissing on ourselves... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jun 8th, 2010 at 10:25am
A classic text book case of the failures of big corporations and big government. Put an average Joe or Jill in charge and we'd have better results.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 8th, 2010 at 11:11am gimmekeef wrote on Jun 8th, 2010 at 10:25am:
Couldn't be much worse that's for sure. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 8th, 2010 at 11:25am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 8th, 2010 at 11:11am:
Kevin Costner to the rescue! http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/kevin-costner-machine-bp-oil-clean/story?id=10689928 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 8th, 2010 at 11:43am Edith Grove wrote on Jun 8th, 2010 at 11:25am:
Well they turned James Cameron down. Who's next George Lucas,Steven Spielberg? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on Jun 8th, 2010 at 12:06pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on Jun 8th, 2010 at 1:25pm
BOYCOTT BP
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 8th, 2010 at 1:28pm Nice one, Monkey Man! Mind if I put it up on another board? :areyoufuckingserious |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 8th, 2010 at 1:43pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 8th, 2010 at 11:25am:
where is bruce willis and that bad actor from boston who is friends with that good actor from boston... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bitch on Jun 9th, 2010 at 9:36am
Sorry I didnt read every post on this thread but I think the main reason people arent doing anything to help out is because we are expecting BP to clean up everything and pay for it all! Yeah right! They will be bankrupt by then and we will end up cleaning up the mess ourselves eventually. I feel so bad, living on the coast, if this ever comes up the east coast all the real estate values will go down the toilet bowl, as I am sure this is happening already in the gulf states. Waterfront properties always have the highest values, but now these values will go down to zero. Thats a damn shame since the real estate market was just coming up from an all time low! This just made it worse and it will continue to destroy values all along the water. Anyone who lives on the water that may become contaminated, you better sell and get out now while you still can! Head for the mountains, thats what I'm thinking.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 9th, 2010 at 10:37am
that much gas and oil coming from a hole a mile down in the ocean that shouldn't be there, can't be good for any of us.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 9th, 2010 at 11:06am
This thread needs a theme song:
Will all your money Buy you forgiveness Keep you from sickness Or keep you from cold? Will all your money Keep you from madness Keep you from sadness When you're down in the hole? 'cause you'll be down in the gutter You'll be bummin' for cigarettes Bummin' for nylons In the american zone You'll be down in the hole Yeah, down in the hole No escape from trouble Nowhere to go Down in the gutter Beggin' for cigarettes Beggin' forgiveness All that you know Down in the hole After diggin' the trenches Looking for cover and findin' out there ain't nowhere nowhere to go Nowhere nowhere nowhere to go None of your money Will buy you forgiveness None of your jewelry None of your gold Your black market cigarettes Your american nightclubs Ah, they've got nowhere left Something for nothing All of your friends gone Something for nothing That's all that you know There's something down in the hole Down down down in the hole There's something down down down down in the hole |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Factory Girl on Jun 9th, 2010 at 11:12am
This is oil industry's Chernobyl. The repercussions from the spill will be with us for generations to come.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 9th, 2010 at 11:20am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 11:06am:
He Man Emotional Rescue Lovers Appreciation Society approved. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:07pm
I just love the song, figured it was as good a place to post as any.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnjV8IKe66g |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 9th, 2010 at 2:22pm StPeteStone wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:07pm:
some phat ass won't even help |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on Jun 9th, 2010 at 5:37pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 2:22pm:
That alone makes the Indian cry. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on Jun 10th, 2010 at 7:01pm
Here's a question I would like answered. When BP decided to go to Plan B instead of Plan A, how much was the monetary savings?
Who much money was The Gulf of Mexico sold out for? 1 million? 25 million? ?? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 10th, 2010 at 9:20pm Bingo wrote on Jun 10th, 2010 at 7:01pm:
good question, and I have no answer. Just more questions. Like why was the scientist BP had a contact in case of an envoirmental disaster deceased? I'm also sick of hearing from certain extreme media outlets, how envoirmentalists are to blame and contributed to this accident. When the energy policy was put into place, the people present were energy company CEO's, people from the industry and zero people from any envoirmental groups...and in 2008 when people from the MMS and BP were doing lines of each others tits and dicks, no one blinked an eye and checked to see what they didn't do to protect us!!! Once again, zero envoirmentalists involved!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 11th, 2010 at 2:35am
It's deja vu all over again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9A36A3GTcY
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 11th, 2010 at 7:34am Edith Grove wrote on Jun 11th, 2010 at 2:35am:
it's fucking creepy... i find people do better when you tell them there;s a conspiracy, like the vice president is going to start a war or the president has a secret agenda to take over prvt. industry, then people do something... but when you have the planet being destroyed by something we do... can't be real, just some pics on TV. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on Jun 11th, 2010 at 12:29pm
The oil spill could be the seventh sign of the hopi prophecy (4th world)
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html [The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left. "This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder. "This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies." "This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle." "This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron." "This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web." "This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun." "This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it." "This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom. "And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease. ] |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 11th, 2010 at 2:06pm BP now says spill just a drill By Rudy M. Vorkapic The Levee crude writer In the wake of the failed “top kill” method to plug the Gulf oil spill, BP has announced the entire spectacle is actually a “long-planned” disaster drill designed to help the company respond effectively to catastrophes. “Oh, now I see why all you Yanks were so cheesed off,” BP CEO Tony Hayward said. “You silly people thought we had you by the short and curlies, didn’t you you little buggers. “No, just a little training exercise so we are sharp as tacks in case something like this ever did happen. Good lord, what sort of company would we be if we didn’t plan for even the most remote catastrophes, with so much at stake.” Hayward said the company has spent nearly a billion dollars staging the disaster drill. “I don’t know how you didn’t know it wasn’t a drill,” Hayward said. “No company would actually respond that badly. No way. We kept throwing monkey wrenches in our engineers' responses, just to see how bollockesd up we could make the thing. Make them earn those Christmas bonuses, wot?” Hayward said the now infamous image of the spill spewing crude into the Gulf from a mile below the surface was actually set up in his son’s fish tank. He said oil-covered birds are all intricately delicate electronic replicas and he insisted not one bird had been injured. He said the discoloration of the Gulf water is simply food die and should fade away in 20 to 30 years or so. Heyward encouraged those “who fell for our little charade” to drop lawsuits and “enjoy the black water.” http://www.nolevee.com/index.php |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 11th, 2010 at 2:11pm President reflects on Grand Isle Money no object for Obama's visit By Damian Tatum The Levee gushing writer BP officials have enthusiastically declared the ambitious “top kill” attempt to plug the Gulf of Mexico oil leak completely successful for the approximately half-day period during which President Barack Obama was in the area. The method, which involved plugging up the failed blow-out preventer with mud and debris, was started hours before Obama arrived, and was structured such that it would be 24 to 48 hours before any bad news could feasibly be reported. “As of the five-hour mark of the president’s visit, we have succeeded in filling the well with heavy drilling mud, completely displacing the flow of oil. Everything is going according to our plan. Although we cannot speculate on the final outcome of these efforts, we will be able to make further comments as soon as Air Force One leaves the state of Louisiana,” BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles said during the procedure. The half-day success of the top kill was mirrored on land by a massive spike in Gulf Coast clean-up operations, which dramatically improved the appearance of local beaches, marshes, and barrier islands in the vicinity of the president’s helicopter. “About two hours before the president’s flyover, several bus loads of workers arrived on the shore with shovels. They covered all the oil with clean sand just before noon and then waved when as his helicopter flew by,” Grand Isle resident Will Marchal said. “It was beautiful, like the spill never happened. They were all gone after lunch.” However, LSU environmental engineer Nick Nitopulous said the light dusting of clean sand would be washed away by the next high tide, leaving the oil-dabbled beach back in its contaminated condition. When asked whether the sand shoveling was meant to be a permanent solution, Suttles replied no solution is perfect, but “our workers have provided several hours of remediation, which we think was extremely significant.” Suttles then glanced over a copy of Obama's itinerary and smiled. Other BP efforts coordinated with the president’s appearance include injecting large tendrils of oil with blue dyes to "visually disperse” them, making sure all clean-up vessels prominently featured a BP logo, and removing oily build-up from the miles of sorbent boom girding the Louisiana coast so it will be “highly visible from helicopter level, for safety reasons.” Meanwhile, BP-hired workers dropped hay bales into marshes, covering up dead and dying grasses and oil puddles so the wetlands would be “less visually jarring” to birds and other airborne observers. “We’ve spent close to $200 million in the last three days alone preparing for our ‘Executive Push,’ as we call it. We promise local leaders that they will see a huge difference in our commitment over the coming hours,” Suttles said. Upon Obama’s return to Washington D.C. on Friday evening and with most media outlets shutting down for the Memorial Day weekend, BP announced the top kill had completely failed, the flow from the broken wellhead had nearly doubled, new oil had washed ashore in Plaquemines, Terrebonne and Jefferson Parishes, while the BP PLC stock price had closed up nearly 7 percent. http://www.nolevee.com/index.php |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 11th, 2010 at 2:16pm
BP quickly contains lawsuits
Company has been field-testing legal response for years By Helen Cox The Levee slippery writer The growing slick of lawsuits seeping toward BP since “that whole Deepwater Horizon thing” is being effectively contained, a company spokesperson insists. (LEVEE illustration/Folwell Dunbar)The company’s success is due to the wide array of techniques BP has been field-testing for years in case such a disastrous quantity of suits were leveled at it simultaneously, BP spokesperson Cassius McFarlow assured reporters. McFarlow said a 560,000-foot boom of BP lawyers quickly surrounded the company’s headquarters after the disaster began in a desperate effort to protect the company’s fiscal environment. More than 670,000 barrels of toxically worded, lawsuit-dispersing warning letters to potential litigants were quickly released into the churning sea of claims. The EPA demanded BP use less-toxic lawsuit dispersants, but the company insisted on using its most toxic attorneys first. BP officials initially estimated 1,000 lawsuits per day were spewing toward them, but independent legal groups have indicated the rate is easily five times that, judging from careful studies of angry blogs describing litigious intentions. Seventeen BP-attorney staging areas have been put into place in coastal locations where fishermen are threatening to sue over potential loss of livelihood. According to McFarlow, fishermen are being told not to worry because “oil doesn’t really taste that bad on fish anyway and people probably won’t notice” and “those white shrimp boots will go great with your new, fully subsidized HAZMAT suits.” One of BP’s most successful methods of combating the flow of oil has been hiring Halliburton to “do something” in the Gulf because when things go horribly awry, “who can resist just assuming it was all Halliburton’s fault?” Halliburton blame operations manager Dennis Frank said. “Halliburton is the world leader in being right smack dab in the middle of colossal screw ups. We took an enormous amount of flak for the Bush Administration in Iraq, and we’re going to apply those lessons to this disaster as well,” Frank said. Legal analysts marveled at BP’s ability to continually minimize the disaster, dissipating the impact of possible legal assaults. “Every time someone compulsively calls a 1-800 lawyer after hearing one of BP’s low-ball environmental impact statements, or reading about our billions in profits last quarter, they’re more likely to file a weak, poorly thought out ‘tar ball’ complaint,” Tulane environmental law professor Hucaire A. Boutchafish said. Such lawsuits are expected to be much easier to deal with than large slicks of gooey class-action litigation, which could seriously erode BP’s stock ecosystem. McFarlow defended the company’s legal-containment effort. “Given the inherent danger of deep-water drilling, we’ve spent years putting everything in place to deal with a flood of lawsuits exactly like this,” McFarlow said. But McFarlow insisted BP is not resting on its laurels and will seek innovative new ways to deal with the lawsuit threat as it evolves “over the coming months, years, and probably, decades.” Asked if he expects BP to fare better than Exxon, which was able to reduce its damages in the Exxon Valdez lawsuit spill to under $15,000 per litigant after two decades in the courts, McFarlow was optimistic. “Legal technology has come a very long way since then,” he said. “We expect to have this entire situation under control in a fraction of the time, and at a fraction of the cost.” “Many executive careers were destroyed in that tragic incident. We’ve made a commitment not to allow that to happen to our Gulf Coast Business Unit.” |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 11th, 2010 at 2:40pm
BP claims it owns 'blackened'
Trademark battle comes after NFL's fumbled effort to take 'Who Dat' By Mike Smith The Levee flavored-not-spicy writer (LEVEE illustration/Michael DiBari) Attorneys for oil conglomerate BP have filed for a cease-and-desist order to keep restaurants in New Orleans from using the phrase “blackened” in describing any seafood menu item. “BP now owns the trademark on blackened seafood.” said Nigel Toothe, vice president of marketing for BP-USA. “Our trademark rights were retroactively effective the day the rig blew up and we blackened all the gulf seafood and wildlife.” Toothe said BP also plans to stop Daiquiri shops in the area from selling their popular “Dead Dolphin” and “Petro-Pelican” daiquiris. Some restaurants have already altered their menus, crossing out “blackened” to read “Redfish Scrubbed with Dawn dishwashing detergent.” Some restaurateurs are up in arms about the move, but others say they’re too tired to fight. “If there ain’t no effin fish to blacken, what the eff does it matter?” Hal Peno of Peno Brothers Bar and Grill said. The claim comes on the heels of the National Football League trying to claim the trademark to the local phrase, “Who Dat?” as New Orleans Saints fans propelled team merchandise sales to league-best status buying everything with “Who Dat?” on it during the team’s first Super Bowl season, “It’s simple economics,” BP’s Toothe said. “BP is losing billions of dollars in oil revenue from this spill. Not to mention we’ll have to pay thousands of dollars to the families of those who died, provided they waive their rights to future litigation. We need these trademark revenues so we can help the people.” Toothe and other BP execs have claimed the Gulf catastrophe will cause minimal environmental damage. “Even if Grand Isle is a total loss, the damage could only be pennies when considering it in the grand immenseness of the universe.” “We don’t mean to sound insensitive to the residents of the Gulf Coast.” he said. “This unfortunate Act of God slash Natural Disaster slash No Fault Accident has affected all of us.” Already, the chief executive officers of BP are bracing for annual bonus reductions of 3 to 5 percent the first year. Combined with likely gains in selling their BP stock and repurchasing it at a low cost and seeing it build after the company cuts short it disaster obligations, they may make only six to seven times what they would have made had the oil spill not occurred. “You’re talking a loss of $5 million to $10 million in Christmas shopping money,” Toothe said. “So yes, we feel your pain.” State and local officials expressed outrage at BP’s latest action. Gov. Bobby Jindal said, “I’m outraged.” U.S. Sen. David Vitter said, “I’m really angry.” Jindal and Vitter promised to reiterate their outrage and anger in the next few weeks. President Obama said he was disappointed by BP’s actions, sternly adding he will not hesitate to again express his disappointment in a month or so if necessary. He promised to form a committee to study how disappointed everyone is in BP. http://www.nolevee.com/index.php |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 11th, 2010 at 3:08pm
BP is using its google...
did you see the quote off BP's homepage? They had no idea why their stock prices have fallen... What? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 11th, 2010 at 3:52pm
Great motivation for the US the real football team tomorrow when they play the brits. The coach just needs to point towards the English players and tell his team.Those are the same guys who fucked up the Gulf. Now go win this for Louisiana. :-?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 13th, 2010 at 4:01pm
Sunday afternoon at the Cajun-Zydeco Festival in New Orleans:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/IMG_0707.jpg?t=1276462713 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:17pm
Man, the calls for Obama's impeachment are growing strong in the blogs. Maybe Riffy was right all along.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:31pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:17pm:
You might want to rethink that idea. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:33pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:31pm:
Richard Branson has moved to the space station. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 14th, 2010 at 7:12am Some Guy wrote on Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:33pm:
after tuesday nights speech, they will return... and the thread will be like it was... oily and yucky and not fun to be in... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 14th, 2010 at 7:14am
community organizer skills will not help here.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 14th, 2010 at 7:52am Some Guy wrote on Jun 14th, 2010 at 7:14am:
if he can organize a fish fry, we're fine... otherwise, only the league of super heros can fix this mess... Aquaman is in rehab with doctor drew, seems he likes to smoke alot of speed and drink scotch... we're fucked! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 16th, 2010 at 7:18am
weak speech last night. Damn, I'm a drone.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 16th, 2010 at 10:52am Some Guy wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 7:18am:
it was a good speech, just too bad speeches are powerless, they do nothing unless followed by substantial action. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 16th, 2010 at 10:57am Pdog wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 10:52am:
It is what it is....and that's all it is. :interestingstuffronnie |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 16th, 2010 at 11:04am
What is likely to happen now?
Well...none of what is likely to happen is good, in fact...it's about as bad as it gets. I am convinced the erosion and compromising of the entire system is accelerating and attacking more key structural areas of the well, the blow out preventer and surrounding strata holding it all up and together. This is evidenced by the tilt of the blow out preventer and the erosion which has exposed the well head connection. What eventually will happen is that the blow out preventer will literally tip over if they do not run supports to it as the currents push on it. I suspect they will run those supports as cables tied to anchors very soon, if they don't, they are inviting disaster that much sooner. Eventually even that will be futile as the well casings cannot support the weight of the massive system above with out the cement bond to the earth and that bond is being eroded away. When enough is eroded away the casings will buckle and the BOP will collapse the well. If and when you begin to see oil and gas coming up around the well area from under the BOP? or the area around the well head connection and casing sinking more and more rapidly? ...it won't be too long after that the entire system fails. BP must be aware of this, they are mapping the sea floor sonically and that is not a mere exercise. Our Gov't must be well aware too, they just are not telling us. All of these things lead to only one place, a fully wide open well bore directly to the oil deposit...after that, it goes into the realm of "the worst things you can think of" The well may come completely apart as the inner liners fail. There is still a very long drill string in the well, that could literally come flying out...as I said...all the worst things you can think of are a possibility, but the very least damaging outcome as bad as it is, is that we are stuck with a wide open gusher blowing out 150,000 barrels a day of raw oil or more. There isn't any "cap dome" or any other suck fixer device on earth that exists or could be built that will stop it from gushing out and doing more and more damage to the gulf. While at the same time also doing more damage to the well, making the chance of halting it with a kill from the bottom up less and less likely to work, which as it stands now?....is the only real chance we have left to stop it all. It's a race now...a race to drill the relief wells and take our last chance at killing this monster before the whole weakened, wore out, blown out, leaking and failing system gives up it's last gasp in a horrific crescendo. We are not even 2 months into it, barely half way by even optimistic estimates. The damage done by the leaked oil now is virtually immeasurable already and it will not get better, it can only get worse. No matter how much they can collect, there will still be thousands and thousands of gallons leaking out every minute, every hour of every day. We have 2 months left before the relief wells are even near in position and set up to take a kill shot and that is being optimistic as I said. Over the next 2 months the mechanical situation also cannot improve, it can only get worse, getting better is an impossibility. While they may make some gains on collecting the leaked oil, the structural situation cannot heal itself. It will continue to erode and flow out more oil and eventually the inevitable collapse which cannot be stopped will happen. It is only a simple matter of who can "get there first"...us or the well. We can only hope the race against that eventuality is one we can win, but my assessment I am sad to say is that we will not. The system will collapse or fail substantially before we reach the finish line ahead of the well and the worst is yet to come. Sorry to bring you that news, I know it is grim, but that is the way I see it....I sincerely hope I am wrong. We need to prepare for the possibility of this blow out sending more oil into the gulf per week then what we already have now, because that is what a collapse of the system will cause. All the collection efforts that have captured oil will be erased in short order. The magnitude of this disaster will increase exponentially by the time we can do anything to halt it and our odds of actually even being able to halt it will go down. The magnitude and impact of this disaster will eclipse anything we have known in our life times if the worst or even near worst happens... We are seeing the puny forces of man vs the awesome forces of nature. We are going to need some luck and a lot of effort to win... and if nature decides we ought to lose, we will.... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 16th, 2010 at 11:26am
Exxon Valdez.....every four days, according to CBS news this morning. :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 16th, 2010 at 11:46am
this is biblical
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on Jun 16th, 2010 at 11:58am
We did it to ourselves. for lack of caring to prevent this. Once again GREED fucks us up.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jun 16th, 2010 at 2:29pm
BP pledges 20 billion for victim aid. A start at giving those folks some hope anyway..........
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on Jun 16th, 2010 at 3:32pm
How is this newspaper regarded in England? Legit?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7804922/BP-chief-Tony-Hayward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 16th, 2010 at 4:10pm
what's that peak oil thingy?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 17th, 2010 at 4:53pm
Tony Hayward is officially a smug piece of crap... anyone disagree? please describe what you like about this effin' asshole... does you car run on oil soaked shrimp and dead birds? I would join the firing squad and take him out in a second!!! This man is guilty of crimes against all ife, not just humanity!!!
any other Republicans here feel the need to apologize to him... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by lotsajizz on Jun 18th, 2010 at 3:32am
the Republicans showed their true colors yesterday, unpatriotic scum willing to sell this country out for a quick buck....they've been the bane of American politics for a half-century now....
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 2:44pm lotsajizz wrote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 3:32am:
Now, now my fine friend to the South of me. While what this chap said is indeed wrong, whom did he offend? Did he offend people who have mental challenges, like The Observer In Chief Pres. Obama did? You do recall a little over a year ago on Jay Leno, when he famously said "Obama joked to Leno that his average score of 129 "was like the Special Olympics or something." The moral here is don't think the GOP is alone in the use of bad lines. As Jimy Durante once said, and I'll alter this some, "They've got a million of them" |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:50am Nellcote wrote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 2:44pm:
isn't the douchebag who apologized the same fag hating, male prostitute using when in Europe piece of shit... you can call liberal and dems every effin name in the book, make fun of us for days... but one thing, I know to be true... a Republican or Conservative by defintion, is someone who doesn't want change.. .which is fine, until something happens that represents change, then there's this weird twisted behavior, especially with sex and marriage... but it doesn't end there,and isn't exclusive... just seems to be the one glaring moral point you guys have loved... I know you guys like to be rigid in your stances.... hahaha... sometimes a boner is just a boner! you still think that if we had a different president, one with an (R) next to their name, the oil wouldn't have hit the shores? if you beleive that to be true, i totally get how you must think rentboy.com is a place you hire baggage handlers... Republicans are going after all this peripheral meaninless bullshit... truth is, a negligent company, that avoided paying taxes, avoided safety regulations is resposible... and you guys don't want to upset the free markets at the risk of killing of entire eco-systems... yet you complain about how this has hurt the local economies... seems that your policies have collided and the only thing to do when that happens is distract and blame...Obama is at fault b/c he turned down 4 skimmers... unlike natural disasters, which end, and usually don't last long, this isn't even stopped... and BP lied to us from day one... do you go to your doctor, and lie to them about symptooms? No, that would be stupid, you tell them what is wrong and treat it... otherwise you can't treat it correctly... it's real nice that Republican leaders say, Obama should have done this on day 8... on day 8 BP was lying to us, and misleading us!!!! it is a crime to mislead or prevent the police from colelcting evidence in a criminal investigation, it should also be a crime to do the same in a catastrophic envoirmental disaster you caused!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 7:13am Pdog wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:50am:
Meds? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 19th, 2010 at 7:32am Nellcote wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 7:13am:
i understand you have no argument, b/c a fail is a fail, and you just need to blame a democrat, and can't seem to muster it up to go after the company that caused it... great personal response to me, when none was directed at you... you and others here, flip the fuck out, if someone does a reply like that at you... and flip the fuck out like immature children. Makes my point you're contradiction based on not wanting to change, and you're only responses are of blame and attacks... zero solutions... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 8:51am Pdog wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 7:32am:
All I was doing was pointing out that what Barton did was not as offensive as the Observer In Chief disparaging a large portion of the population who has mental challenges. Nothing more-nothing less. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by jostorm on Jun 19th, 2010 at 1:14pm Bingo wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 3:32pm:
It's a serious newspaper, Bingo. It's probably a little on the right side of the middle, which makes it slightly conservative in values. I don't think for a second that the oil-tragedy had anything to do with his decision to sell, I suppose that it is simple "financial serendipity" for him, but I still wouldn't want to walk in his shoes right now.... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on Jun 19th, 2010 at 2:08pm
Anyone think the mini-nuke option should be tried? I was dead against it at first, but I am starting to reconsider that stance, there seams to be no end in sight to stopping the leak...
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 19th, 2010 at 4:23pm Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 2:08pm:
explosives i'm open too, but a nuke... would just cause more problems to an already severly damaged eco-system... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 19th, 2010 at 5:00pm Pdog wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 4:23pm:
Has anyone actually demonstrated how explosives (nuclear or conventional) would seal the leak? Just seems to me that explosives could very easily create a bigger leak. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 19th, 2010 at 5:31pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 5:00pm:
I have heard talk, but no one who actually knows the reality of setting of an explsion that deep. On land explosive were used to seal or cap off oil gushers, but this deep down, I'm not sure how it could be delivered and set off and still get the effect needed to stop the leak... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 19th, 2010 at 9:44pm Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 2:08pm:
Any chance of the fucking thing just running out of oil? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 10:18pm
Looks like someone @ BP is getting their life back....
Gulf residents outraged by BP CEO's yacht outing Jun 19, 4:09 PM (ET) By RAPHAEL SATTER and HOLBROOK MOHR VENICE, La. (AP) - Just when it seemed Gulf residents couldn't get any more outraged about the massive oil spill fouling their coastline, word came Saturday that BP's CEO was taking time off to attend a glitzy yacht race in England. Tony Hayward's latest public relations gaffe didn't sit well with people in the U.S. who have seen their livelihoods ruined by the massive two-month oil spill. "Man, that ain't right. None of us can even go out fishing, and he's at the yacht races," said Bobby Pitre, 33, who runs a tattoo shop in Larose, La. "I wish we could get a day off from the oil, too." As social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook lit up with anger, BP spokespeople rushed to defend Hayward, who has drawn withering criticism as the public face of his company's halting efforts to stop the worst oil spill in U.S. history. Robert Wine, a BP spokesman at the company's Houston headquarters, said it's the first break Hayward has had since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded April 20, killing 11 workers and setting off the undersea gusher. "He's spending a few hours with his family at a weekend," Wine said Saturday. "I'm sure that everyone would understand that." Not Mike Strohmeyer, who owns the Lighthouse Lodge in Venice, on Louisiana's southern tip, who said Hayward was "just numb." "I don't think he has any feelings," he said. "If I was in his position, I think I'd be in a more responsible place. I think he should be with someone out trying to plug the leak." Wine said Hayward is known to be keenly interested in the annual race around the Isle of Wight, one of the world's largest. It attracts more than 1,700 boats and 16,000 sailors as famous yachtsmen compete with wealthy amateurs in the 50-nautical mile course around the island. Hayward was watching his 52-foot (16-meter) yacht "Bob," made by the Annapolis, Md.-based boatbuilder Farr Yacht Design. It has a list price of nearly $700,000. The outing is one of a series of missteps by Hayward in recent weeks. He suggested to the Times of London that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims over the spill, then later told residents of Louisiana that no one wanted to resolve the crisis as badly as he did because "I'd like my life back." Even the British press, much more sympathetic to the company's plight, has expressed disbelief at its media strategy. "It is hard to recall a more catastrophically mishandled public relations response to a crisis than the one we are witnessing," the Daily Telegraph's Jeremy Warner wrote Friday. That was before news about the yacht race broke but after the chief executive made his appearance before a U.S. House investigations panel in which he dodged question after question, claiming he was out of the loop on decisions surrounding the well that blew when the Deepwater Horizon exploded. President Barack Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, called Hayward's decision to attend the yacht race a public relations fiasco and told ABC's "This Week," that Hayward had "got his life back." "I think we can all conclude that Tony Hayward is not going to have a second career in PR consulting," he said in an interview taped Saturday. Obama has also struggled to counter criticism of how his administration has handled the disaster. Up to 120 million gallons of oil has already gushed into the Gulf. Crude has been washing up from Louisiana to Florida, killing birds and fish, coating delicate marshes and wetlands and covering pristine beaches with tar balls. A pair of relief wells that won't be done until August is the best bet to stop the massive spill. By late June, BP hopes a newly expanded containment system can keep nearly 90 percent of the flow from the broken pipe from hitting the ocean. But the buzz Saturday on social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook was all about Hayward's yacht outing, with many noting that Gulf residents want their lives back too. It was not clear whether Hayward took part in the race, which he attended with son, or was just a spectator. His boat finished fourth in its class. It often costs tens of thousands of dollars (pounds) to equip a yacht for a race as competitive as the Isle of Wight. Meanwhile, environmentalists and local officials along the Gulf were infuriated by Hayward's weekend plans. "I'm glad Mr. Hayward is on a yacht, because he certainly hasn't been helping us," said Robert Craft, the mayor of Gulf Shores, Ala. Officials on the Alabama coast estimate tourism is down about 50 percent because of the spill. Questions remained about whether Hayward is still in charge of the cleanup effort. BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg seemed to suggest Friday that he was being withdrawn from the front line of the response. "It is clear that Tony has made remarks that have upset people," Svanberg told Sky News television, adding that Hayward was "now handing over" daily operations to BP Managing Director Bob Dudley. But BP spokeswoman Sheila Williams said Svanberg was misunderstood and that only a transition to Dudley, an American with 30 years in the oil business, had begun. "Hayward is very much in charge until we've stopped the leak," she told the AP on Saturday. BP, Britain's largest company before the oil rig exploded, has lost about 45 percent of its value since then - a drop has alarmed millions of British retirees whose pension funds hold BP stock. Just this week, BP announced that it was canceling its quarterly dividend. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Mr. Sex Drugs Rock n Roll on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:09am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 9:44pm:
You tell me... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:07am
you can't tell me that all this heat in the Southeast has nothing to do with all that oil and gas in the Gulf. That's some toxic shit eminating from the depths of Earth. Damn it's hot!! I'm woozy.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:18am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 9:44pm:
this is a huge oil reserve... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:20am Pdog wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:18am:
I saw this- Clean up solution: Put a $2,000 per barrel "BOUNTY" on the recovered oil. BP is paying $4300 per barrel (EPA fine) and the balance could be used to make economic, land and wildlife restorations. (You would have manpower & equipment come from everywhere in the world and this could be cleaned up in a jiffy). Problems are: The Jones act (Unions) All Oil Supertankers were leased by the Bankers last fall (do some research) and are full to the brim with oil. (There is a "Super Glut" right now in the oil market) The only reason oil is going up is because all fiat currencies are falling in value in relation to "Real Assets" and the Arabs want Gold/Silver not FRN's or fiat currency for payment. If they do get the supertankers to suck up the oil - the next question is are they going to put the 100's of millions of recovered Oil barrels on the market ? (The oil market would crash) So you see why they will not clean it up ? (rock and a hardplace) You better pray that the boys drilling these relief wells are successful. BP's estimate is that the oil could spew for 4 years at the same rate (saying 2 billion gallons of oil) The real experts are saying that that is a lie (they have the strata data) and there is 50 Billion Gallons of Oil in the reserve not to mention what everone keeps forgetting is that they are getting a 3000 to 1 ratio of "Gas to Oil" so the methane gas pollution could end up being worse than the oil itself. I also emplore you to do some research about the "Abiotic Oil" theory. It explains that the earth makes oil through the forces deep within the earth and not fossils as we have been taught. (just do some research !) I promise it will open your eyes. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:32am Pdog wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:18am:
Yeah I was being somewhat facetious. But looks like the best hope is a relief well. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 21st, 2010 at 12:34pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:20am:
if you build it, they will come. if you destroy it, will they leave? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 21st, 2010 at 12:43pm
wouldn't it be great, if we could make our own fuel, if we could grow it, so it may never run out... and if it could burn clean while still gving power to combustion engines... then we not only could be energy efficient, and reduce pollution, we could end our dependance on foreign oil... if only we had some sort of bio-fuel, made from something, like... oh i don't know vegetable oil... that would be really awesome... too bad no one has thought anything up... that's about as stupid as using wind and air too, since sometimes the wind doesn't blow and it gets cloudy... not to mention the eye sore of turbines and cleaning solar panels... wouldn't it be great if the people who bitch about how the govt. isn't doing enough right now, actually stopped being sticks in the mud who refuse change and decides to do something to create a real changer, that would actually help restore things to a way they once were in the envoirment... and really take something back... you fucking assholes!!! god you piss me off!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 21st, 2010 at 12:59pm
is that part of a manifesto?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 21st, 2010 at 4:38pm Some Guy wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 12:59pm:
no, i could just smell willie nelson's bong, and got inspired. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 8:08pm
Bob's take on the Gulf Disaster is dead correct. as usual with his offerings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baoUTXDfTvo&playnext_from=TL&videos=yGMtvBMI7Dg&feature=sub |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 8:05am
atching Barton apologize to the BP CEO, reminded me of the scene in the Godfather, where the corrupt Senator gives his rant on the mafia then excuses himself...truth is stranger...!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:05pm
Obama's knee-jerk reaction in regards to drilling has just been overridden by a Federal judge.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:09pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:05pm:
Outstanding news. Get those folks back to work! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:40pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:05pm:
Where's the picture of the guy saying aw geez not this shit again? How knee jerk will it be if another rig blows up? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:15pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:40pm:
Well, you don't ground the whole fleet when a 737 goes down. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:28pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:15pm:
Exactly the correct point. Thousands of people out of work, BP is not paying them. The owners of the oil rigs are starting to move the rigs to Brazil. This type of departure will be devastating, effecting the the people who work the rigs all the way to the convenience store owner. Until there is either a comparable source of non petroleum energy, oil rigs are here to stay. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:46pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:15pm:
actually they do, do that... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:47pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:09pm:
I thought they stopped drilling, not pumping oil... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:50pm Pdog wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:46pm:
You have a good point. An airline would determine the problem, cycle the affected planes in for repair, then cycle them back to service. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 3:20pm
For those that have access to HBO, I highly recommend the documentary about natural gas drilling, "Gasland." This industry is about as regulated as the deepwater drilling industry is. Trailer for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by monkey_man on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 3:29pm Edith Grove wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:15pm:
Really? You can't think of a single instance where a fleet of planes were grounded after planes crashed? Maybe to review safety procedures? Bueller? Bueller? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 3:38pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:50pm:
So have they figured out exactly why the deep water horizon well failed? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 3:58pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 3:38pm:
It looks like they know why the oil flow wasn't stopped: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6604707n&tag=api |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 4:37pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 3:38pm:
the fire and explosion destroyed the rig, which is really a ship... then all the back-up systems and flow preventers failed. I'm not sure what caused the original explosion and fire... From what I've heard and seen, it may have been preventable, since all inspection and safety regualtions were a joke... as Colbert said, inspections on something like this, should last longer than a Phish concert. Did you know the rig aka ship, which it officially is, was flagged out of the Marshall Islands? Literally an offshore status for an offshore operation... one of the reasons safety regualtions are minimal. Whoever wrote this energy policy and safety procedures must've been connected to the industry... oh wait, they were.... thx Bush/Cheney!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 4:48pm
Yes knee jerk reactions are bad. Much better to act like W did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR_rFXXz_44
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 7:35pm
I have a feeling that the dispersants used will do more damage then the oil. They have pumped in over 1 million gallons of that stuff. If they are admitting to 1 milllion, then it's probably 10-50 million gallons of poison . Say good bye to the Coral Reefs and God knows how many species we don't even know about.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 24th, 2010 at 5:36am
Here's something almost anyone can do to support the gulf coast:
Abita Beer brews new beer to help save Louisiana's coast and to benefit those impacted by the oil spill. Abita beer is launching a nationwide effort to raise money for our coast and those impacted by the oil spill. Abita is brewing a new beer called S-O-S or "Save our Shores." "It's unfiltered, a little cloudy, the mouth fill on it, the head , it will blow your socks off," said David Blossman, President of Abita beer. For every bottle of S-O-S sold, Abita will donate $0.75 to the rescue and restoration of the environment, industry and individuals fighting to survive this disastrous oil spill. Abita did a similar fund raiser right after Katrina with "Restoration Pale Ale." That effort according the brewery raised more than a half million dollars. S-O-S will be sold in 41 states. Click here to see a video about the beer: http://www.neworleans.com/news/local-news/421455.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Lazy Bones on Jun 24th, 2010 at 9:32am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 24th, 2010 at 10:23am Lazy Bones wrote on Jun 24th, 2010 at 9:32am:
saw that before... sad... not only have we not made a sincere effort to find alternatives and use them... we haven't done much to be safer... it's funny to hear certain people, talk of the sacrafices of others so we can be free and live these great lives... you have to weonder, will that be said of us in 200 years, regarding the last 50 years? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by StPeteStone on Jun 24th, 2010 at 4:33pm
Pensacola Beach, Florida
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 26th, 2010 at 8:26am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 28th, 2010 at 6:51am
I saw this-
BP has not capped the well because they are terrified of a problem they have not yet discussed in public. Namely that the rig explosion cracked and damaged the sea floor around the well head, and that besides the broken pipe there are other, more fragile leaks of oil coming up from the sea floor itself. This is why they are so cagey with information, and why they are keeping everyone not directly involved with the repair out of the area. They have not capped the well because they are afraid if that if they totally capped the pipe closed, the pressure would back up into the damaged well bore and cause a blow out of the damaged sea floor around the well head. This would be a much much MUCH bigger disaster than what is happening now; with little or no hope of us being able to control it. They are purposely letting the leak run in order to keep the pressure low in the well and minimize any further pressure damage to the well bore. A 20 inch pipe leaking into a containment cap is much better than a 75 foot wide crack or hole in the sea floor rocketing an enormous unstoppable geyser of oil into the Gulf. If that happens, it's goodbye Charlie. The Gulf would be overwhelmed in a short period. They have to do this, no matter how frustrating it is. This is also why they are capping it in increments, so they can carefully observe what each change in well pressure does to the damaged area. This is why it was unacceptable when the first cap iced over, because it was blocking the oil flow, and again the pressure would back up into the well and might cause a catastrophic sea floor blow out. When viewed in this context, what they are doing makes sense. They are trying their best to avoid the worst case scenario, and it definitely can get worse than what is happening now. They are not letting the pipe leak just for their health or negligence, or for financial gain. Barack Obama did not cause this, and he is trying as much as possible to stay out of their way so that they can think and work without government hassle in order to try and get this extremely dangerous situation under control. The US government is not an oil company and does not have the expertise to handle this, although it's obvious BP doesn't really have it either. There is a distinct possibility that if the government shoved their hand in there to get things going, it would end up making it far worse. What is happening now is a disaster. If the sea floor blew out at 5,000 feet, it would be a holocaust. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 28th, 2010 at 9:03am Some Guy wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 6:51am:
I haven't heard that theory before. But if it's true,why don't they just come out and say it. Seems like they can't get any worse publicity then they already are. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jun 28th, 2010 at 9:50am
they wont just come out and say it because it would cause a panic...
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jun 28th, 2010 at 9:51am
dear god in heaven we are all sooooooooooooooo fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeddddddddddddddd
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 28th, 2010 at 10:25am Some Guy wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 6:51am:
I'm no expert on this, but I see a problem with this theory. First off, the explosion and resulting fire caused the rig to sink and that's what damaged the pipe from the sea floor. The pipe was damaged when it seperated from the rig several hours after the explosion. It's also my understanding that this oil field lies several hundred, perhaps thousands of feet below the sea floor. I can imagine the weight of a sinking rig pulling on that pipe and the resulting damage to the immediate area on the sea floor, but to think that it could cause damage several hundred or thousand feet below the sea floor in a way this article describes seems a bit outlandish. I'd like to know who wrote & published this article. :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 28th, 2010 at 10:37am Edith Grove wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 10:25am:
I saw it on a blog at Yahoo- there was more- I can't find it now- I'll try later. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jun 28th, 2010 at 10:42am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 28th, 2010 at 10:49am Edith Grove wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 10:25am:
a dude named Chris on Yahoo on the oil subject. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 28th, 2010 at 5:09pm
I read that blog... it would explain why just pinching and sealing the pipe didn't work... imagine a garden hose, with lots of holes, you turn on the hose, you don't see alot of the holes, you stop the flow at the end of the hose, and water comes out all over... Let's remember, how much BP lied from the begining, they need to make arrests starting with Hayward.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 28th, 2010 at 6:50pm Pdog wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 5:09pm:
If only acting like an insensitive little bitch was a crime, he'd be behind bars already. Go to Google, just type in Tony and "Tony Hayward" pops up #1! ;D |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jun 29th, 2010 at 6:20am
Hey! We get a visit from our Vice President today!
I wonder who he is going to call a "smart ass" today? Better not let him get close to Billy Nungesser! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUj7fDohdo |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jun 29th, 2010 at 6:55am
I don't know how many of you are on Facebook or not, but this morning around 1am they shut down the main Boycott BP page. This page was started by a resident of the Gulf Bayoulee and had over 800,000 people following it. I joined when it had around 30,000 people and was interviewed by CNN American Morning, this was about a month or so ago. The founder of the page was interviewed by Diane Sawyer a few weeks ago. The page was not offensive, it was not full of crazy people spouting violent revolution or posting links to conspiracy theory scare mongering websites, it was just a good place to go for all kinds of information that we are not getting from the established media. There were alot of people from the gulf states posting their own videos on what is really going on down there. There was no explanation, nothing, the page was just gone.
If this is not proof about who is really running this country, then I dont know what is. The two party system is BROKEN, our government is useless, and our laws mean NOTHING....when i woke up yesterday i was pretty sure I was living in America... not North Korea or China. Here is the link to info on the page shut down. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-466703 And here is the new Facebook page if anyone wants to join. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Boycott-bpARCO/138332356184294?ref=mf I am very afraid for this world... :( |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:01am Edith Grove wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 6:50pm:
Type in asshole and he should pop up as well.......... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:15am
http://www.facebook.com/Jusmeceecee#!/BoycottBP?v=wall
original page is back... rumour is FBI... who knows, i wouldnt doubt it... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:15am gimmekeef wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:01am:
postin above the rim |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 29th, 2010 at 1:39pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:01am:
No,then you get George Bush. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:22pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 1:39pm:
How has GW been insensitive in this issue SCL? Me thinks you have a touch of "Blame Bush" syndrome which is so associated with the present administration. I would find the definition to fit this administration more. After all, it's been over 70 days the poor people of the gulf have been held hostage by President Inaction, The Observer in Chief. This debacle will sink the ever cautious lawyer president quicker than Monica went down on Clinton. I always like to think the glass is 1/2 full, there's still time for him to rescue this, however, with each passing day of in-action, it gets tougher. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jun 29th, 2010 at 8:42pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
this is exactly what they're saying about the twins's starting rotation. when will cliff lee get here, nellepoof? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Paranoid Android on Jun 29th, 2010 at 8:52pm
This is some of the saddest shit i have heard yet about this mess:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/06/23/bp-burning-sea-turtles-alive-says-gulf-captain/ |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 29th, 2010 at 9:08pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
he was talking about Tony Hayward being insensitive... wow, you are quick to defend Bush, even when he isn't being blamed... he called George Bush an asshole... didn't blame him or say he was insensitive... you're about as fair and balanced as a certain media outlet... the only thing messed up here, is you think Obama is to blame because there's oil spewing from a hole in the earth... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jun 29th, 2010 at 10:17pm
I saw this shit, it just keeps getting stranger.
Gulf state emergency preparedness agencies confirm mass evacuation plans Wayne Madsen Report – June 28, 2010 A well-placed source in California told WMR that the California Emergency Management Agency (CEMA) has been briefed by its counterpart agencies in the Gulf coast states that there are plans to conduct a mass evacuation of millions of Gulf coast residents due to the catastrophic environmental and public health effects of the BP oil disaster. CEMA officials have been briefed on the planned evacuations by counterparts in the Louisiana Governor’s Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, the Alabama Emergency Management Agency, the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency, and the Florida Division of Emergency Management. The Gulf states’ emergency planners stressed to their California counterparts that they are dealing with a disaster of unprecedented proportions and that contingency plans are being constantly updated and revised on ways to deal with the transformation of the Gulf of Mexico into a deadly “toxic soup” of oil and Corexit 9500 oil dispersants and the atmosphere into a dangerous mixture of hydrocarbon gases. CEMA was briefed on the impending mass evacuation since California would be expected to absorb a large number of evacuees from the Gulf states . CEMA officials did not say how the state of California , which is virtually bankrupt, would pay for the influx of hundreds of thousands and perhaps greater numbers of evacuees from the Gulf coastal region. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 29th, 2010 at 10:49pm Nellcote wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
Ahh Nellie. I was just trying to make a joke. You know,the same way the Pubs like to throw our current commander in the chief under the bus just for snicks. The same way that everything from the gulf oil leak to the global economy to immigration to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping to the Hindenburg disaster seems to be blamed on the current occupant of 1600.....So let's do things your way. What if....McCain was elected president? What would he do different? Invade Britain? Hell Sarah Palin can't even spell BP. Would they waterboard Tony Hayward?....Not a bad idea....But perhaps instead,you can give me one name. Just one is all I ask. Of someone who can waltz down 1600,take occupancy in the big round office and stop the oil from leaking and while they're at it. Go ahead and create world peace,a thriving world economy and the end to all of the world's evil's.....I anxiously await the mention of that magical name. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:06pm
Here is a taste of one future presidential candidate in action.
Following in others' grand tradition of demonstrating gaps in knowledge while addressing a university, Sarah Palin told a crowd at a fundraiser at California State University in Stanislaus last weekend that Ronald Reagan, personal hero and inspiration, was a California college graduate. She told the cheering crowd: "This is Reagan country, and perhaps it was destiny that the man who went to California's Eureka College would become so woven within and interlinked to the Golden State." There's just one problem here: Reagan went to Eureka College in Illinois from 1928 to 1932, the Alaska Dispatch reports. He didn't move to California until five years after his graduation. There's no Eureka College in California (though there's a town of Eureka that has a College of the Redwoods nearby). Immediately after her speech, a live microphone caught voices in the press area trashing the former Alaska governor, Mediate reported. "The dumbness doesn’t just come from soundbites," one complained. The Fox affiliate owned the microphone but says their reporters did not make the comments. Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports on a more serious recent mistake of Palin's political organization. Administrators for her legal defense fund accidentally sent out a rough draft of an email to thousands of supporters that falsely claimed she faced "millions of dollars" in legal fees because of "frivolous" ethics suits against her. The corrected version of the email said the fees numbered in the hundreds of thousands, not millions. Critics say several more claims in the email were not true. The email said 26 of 27 ethics violations against Palin were dismissed outright, which is false: Three moved into the investigative phase. One inquiry resulted in a cash settlement; another found that ethics had been abridged but declined to recommend legal proceedings because the charge involved the dismissal of the head of the Alaska state trooper force, who was an at-will employee of the governor. The email also alleged that the Democratic National Committee created a website whose goal is to keep Palin out of public office — a charge that the organization says is untrue. Last week, the earlier incarnation of Palin's defense fund was ruled illegal because it used the word "official." The decision forced the fund's administrators to pay back the $400,000 in donations they raised, and to launch the newer version of the fund. Drill baby drill :smilestu |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jun 30th, 2010 at 2:24pm
I've seen boxes of rocks with more brains than Sara Palin.......now back to our regularly scheduled bitch session......
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jun 30th, 2010 at 3:22pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 10:49pm:
Keith Richards!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jun 30th, 2010 at 9:30pm gimmekeef wrote on Jun 30th, 2010 at 2:24pm:
You are describing Joe Biden when he asked the quadriplegic to "stand up & take a bow".... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 1st, 2010 at 6:53am
Let me break this down for you in simple terms, as people just don't seem to understand...
1 gallon of water weighs approx 8.5 lbs. The oil geyser is 1 mile below the surface. Assuming that you were only taking a section of water that was one inch across but one mile deep, you would still have approx. 4,344,685.7 gallons of water, or 36,929,828.45 lbs of water. Observe how the oil is SPEWING out, indicitive of the fact that the pressure coming out is far greater than 36 million psi... Do you know of any materials, short of the earth itself that can withstand and contain those kind of pressures? Obama doesn't, and neither does BP... Long story short, that's why it isn't fixed yet. Longer story shorter, that's why it should have never been allowed to be done in the first place. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jul 1st, 2010 at 7:25am Pdog wrote on Jun 30th, 2010 at 3:22pm:
Maybe his time has come!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:02am Some Guy wrote on Jul 1st, 2010 at 6:53am:
When you're flying high on cocaine and partying with the MMS, they signed off on everything... Just remember all the people who had no problem with the energy policy written behind closed doors... and they are the same ones who bitched about healthcare being done behind closed doors... this is what happens when special interests and big business takeover govt. and then dicvide the people with bullshit political distractions, you get two impotent parties, pretending to be a govt being run behind closed doors by greedy corrupt and unnacountable groups. Let's revise, economy fucked, envoirment fucked, endless wars.... hmmm...? ask yourself, who should I blame? When did this start? It started long before you were born, and it really took off after WWII, but the banks took over about 25 years before that... enjoy the ride while it lasts... at least we have food and electricity and somewhat clean water to drink!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:13am Pdog wrote on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:02am:
Jesse Ventura does a show on that :weed |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:24am Some Guy wrote on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:13am:
i like alot about him... straight shooter, if we had a congress with types like him, we would get past alot of bullshit. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:48am
I saw this-
Something is very wrong with the oil well "cap"! Google "Skandi ROV2" and the first link is BP's Skandi ROV2 live camera feed ... The "cap" is rocking back and forth ... It's never done this before ... And the oil is GUSHING OUT like never before! ... Could the "rocking" be from the hurricane? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 1st, 2010 at 4:47pm
Grand Isle concert to take place of 2010 Tarpon Rodeo
Published: Thursday, July 01, 2010, 1:11 PM Updated: Thursday, July 01, 2010, 1:44 PM The Times-Picayune Grand Isle Island Aid Concert will be held Saturday, July 24, from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m., officials announced today. It will take place on the beach directly across from the Community Center, 3811 Highway 1. The concert will take the place of this year's Tarpon Rodeo, which has been cancelled because of the BP oil spill. Admission is $10 per person for the all-day concert. Revenue from ticket sales will go to the Grand Isle Alive Promotion Fund to raise money to aid in rebuilding the fishing and tourism industry in Grand Isle. The event will feature two entertainment stages, food, crafts, clothing, commemorative Island Aid Concert memorabilia and more. The lineup includes Three Dog Night, Little River Band, Doug Kershaw, Lorrie Morgan, Amanda Shaw, Top Cats and the Wise Guys. For information, check the Tarpon Rodeo website: http://www.tarponrodeo.org/GITR/Home.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:08pm Some Guy wrote on Jul 1st, 2010 at 8:48am:
Hurricane and storms like that do not do anything under the sea, only the surface... after you down a few feet in the water, even in a cat 5, you wouldn't know anything was going on above... FYI... in deep sea water, not shallow near the coast. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by stonedinaustralia on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 9:24am
while i can understand it is no particular individual's fault i feel like somebody should go to jail over all this if for no other reason but as a lesson to the others...
it is certainly a crime against nature in particular |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 9:25am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 9:27am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by stonedinaustralia on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 9:28am
well this the price we pay i guess
bring on the nuclear age or we all go back to subsistance farming |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 9:29am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 9:44am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 11:29am Testimony before a Senate investigative panel this week is expected to reveal what many have suspected about BP all along; they don’t care about the environment, the animals that are dying, and the lives that are being destroyed by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. In a shocking interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper on June 29th, Allegiance Capitol Corporation V.P. Fred McCallister said that BP is deliberately sinking oil with the toxic chemical disbursant Corexit, to hide the size of the oil spill. By sinking the oil before it can be collected, BP won’t have to pay fines on it. McCallister said, “Everybody in Europe, where the standard practice is to raise the oil and collect it, is scratching their heads, and quite honestly laughing at what’s happening in the Gulf.” He added, “Everyone is looking at us and wondering why we’re allowing this to happen.” McCallister is set to appear before a Senate investigative panel on Thursday and testify that BP’s only interests regarding the Deepwater Horizon spill is protectimg their own financial interests. His statements explained why BP has been refusing offers of help from additional foreign skimmers. BP’s fear is that independent skimmers would be able to count the number of gallons collected, and thus provide the US government with data to assess spill rate financial penalties against BP, according to McCallister. “BP is in control of this situation and they are doing what’s in the best interests of BP and their shareholders,” McCallister said. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by keefchik on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 12:35pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 1:35pm Pdog wrote on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 11:29am:
Gee, what a shocker. [smiley=angry.gif] |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 5th, 2010 at 7:18pm
Saw this-
The bottom line is this. We have been and are being lied to since the very beginning of this disaster. The Government signed off on this disaster long before April 20. The Republicans and Democrats have had their chance time and time again only to fail us all miserably. They very well may be failing the Human Race as well. They are still not telling us the truth of the magnitude of this disaster. There is a horrible report from a well respected Russian scientist (The only man to go down and see first hand the Deep Water Horizon site) saying the seafloor is cracked and beyond any and all repair. According to his reports there are 18 leaks coming directly from the seafloor. The largest being 7 miles away from the leak we are being shown on television. I really hope this man is wrong, that would be Castrophic to say the least. However, Remember the first few days? There were 3 leaks. Why are they only talking about a 22 inch leaking pipe 74 days later. What's going on with the other 2 leaks? Way too much damage has been done already. I really hope I'm wrong. There's an awful lot of oil out there. It seems impossible that this much oil can be leaking from one location. I tried several times to give the website address so you all can read this report. Yahoo is censoring the truth and letting everything else get posted. Google scientists warn gulf of mexico sea flloor fractured beyond repair and judge for yourself. Who knows what the truth really is at this point except for the fact this a crime of unimaginable consequencs to every last living thing on this Planet. Why hasn't this DISASTER been the Governments number one priority 73 days ago? WE NEEDED ALL HANDS ON DECK A LONG TIME AGO! It's a horrible thought. But here it goes any way. The Human Race might very well be into it's 74th day of a War for it's right to live. I just received a phone call 2 minutes ago from a childhood friend of mine who happens to be a Marine Biologist. He has been working with other scientists almost from the beginning of this disaster. I can't name him yet but he advised me that some of his colleages will be coming clean on information in the coming days. I asked if the report from the Russian scientists were true. He paused for a few seconds and confirmed the story. He actually knows this scientist personally and has worked with him in the past. Whether you believe this or not it's up to you. I have nothing to gain and my friend has everything to lose by confiding in me. He has already moved his family out of the Gulf region and advised me to do the same. Good luck to all of you. Listen to the scientists. They are the only ones telling the truth. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 5th, 2010 at 7:21pm
then saw this-
A News of Interest for all.As an Engineer discussing with a Retired Oil Well Engineer: • Step 1. BP with all its cutting edge instrumentation and search experience of 80 years found a massive mind boggling huge oil lake under the sea bed of Gulf of Mexico • Step 2. In order to put its finger in the cream rather fast, it ignored normal “Technical Manners” and provided weak and faulty Blow Out Preventor (BOP). BP’s Rig Contractor vouched and proved to Congress Hearing Committee that Blow Out Preventor pictures under sea are different than their Drawings. And wrongly placed in hurry inspite of Warnings by to BP by Supervisors.. • Step 3. Both BP and Government Geologists know that it’s an enormous lake of oil they have found. Only BP’s greed and hurry blew up the gold mine in to a disaster. • Step 4. In spite of pressure by media and by independent scientists BP is not coming out with the quantity in the reservoir they have hit. They expect to plug 100,000 barrels/day spilling by August. Also brought a "Skimmer Ship" white elephant in the circus to calm the uproar. By then 60m barrels of oil will be mixed in the Gulf. Cap was another gimmick to digress public attention • Step 5. Destruction of fish, pelicans, and destruction beaches is a small price for Obama to pay, who is looking for Oil and Alternate energy. • Step 6. $20B from BP is peanut to calm the yelling kids…BP will be happy paying $500B in claims because the reservoir has billions and billions of tons of oil to last 50 years… Advisory: Nation has to get some pelicans and fish sacrificed…and dirty its hands at blackened beaches for a once in life time Oil wind-fall. Americans…have patience….its a small sacrifice to kick out the Arabs and their oil. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by texile on Jul 5th, 2010 at 7:43pm
This mammoth fiasco has officially reached the Texas Gulf Coast, on the beaches of Galveston Island, about 20 minutes where I grew up. It's pretty sickening.
BP will somehow reap what they sow. http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-gulf-oil-spill-galveston-tarballs-story,0,5896522.story |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 5th, 2010 at 7:58pm
espite all the envoirmental damafge, it's just shows how crappy people are, when you hit the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world, and don't even put the time into getting the oil out correctly... Thids is like building a house of your dreams, and not putting a roof on it... fucking lazy and stupid... and if you go to an ER anywhere in ther wrold, you'll see how many people die everyday b/c they are lazy and stupid!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 5th, 2010 at 8:15pm Some Guy wrote on Jul 5th, 2010 at 7:18pm:
Yeah, I saw an e-mail going around that contained most of this "information." The e-mail said that the information was made public in Russia, but that journalists were not allowed to broadcast that info outside of Russia. WTF, as if anything made publicly available in Russia can't be seen anywhere else? I thought about posting that e-mail here, but it seemed like so much bullshit that I didn't want to embarrass myself with it. I wish I had saved that e-mail now. And this thing about a sinking rig causing an irreparable crack in the ocean floor, one mile deep and seven miles away? I ain't buying it until we get something more than rumors and hearsay. :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:48am
This was supposed to be the Summer of Starbuck.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 6th, 2010 at 8:12am Edith Grove wrote on Jul 5th, 2010 at 8:15pm:
One thing is certain, they can't close the main leak because the pressure behind it is so powerful and when they tried to contain it, they found oil is coming from other leaks stronger... this means this is way worse than they are telling us, and that we've not only been lied to, that real scientific information is being withheld. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 12th, 2010 at 7:23am
NATO Orders 7,000 US Marines To Costa Rica As Gulf Oil Disaster Quake Fears Grow
Posted by EU Times on Jul 8th, 2010 // 8 Comments Russian foreign military intelligence directorate (GRU) sources are reporting in the Kremlin today that NATO has ordered over 7,000 US Marines to begin deploying in the Central American Nation of Costa Rica [map 2nd photo left] over fears the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is about to rupture the fracture zone lying between the North American and Caribbean Plates and potentially unleashing upon the America’s a catastrophic earthquake. As we had previously reported on in our July 4th report titled “NATO Orders All “Critical Assets” Moved 100 Miles Inland From Gulf Oil Spill Region”, NATO’s current Chairman of the Military Committee Admiral Giampaolo Di Paola has taken defacto control over the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster from President Obama who continues to this day leaving this unprecedented catastrophe in the hands of his intelligence services and BP. Admiral Di Paola’s fears, this report continues, lies in the massive amount of abiogenic oil and methane gases being released from the Gulf of Mexico which many experts are warning could destabilize an already weakened earthquake zone and which Russian scientists are holding responsible for the 5.0 magnitude trembler that hit the Great Lakes region barely a fortnight ago and the 4.6 Virgin Island and 4.7 Guatemala quakes occurring during the past 24 hours. Equally potentially catastrophic for this region is this massive oil spill occurring during a predicted above average hurricane season as another storm begins churning these troubled waters, it occurring during a time of a total solar eclipse due to occur on July 11th, and as our Sun begins throwing off a number of massive flares, all long associated with earthquakes in both modern and ancient lore. The connection with catastrophic earthquakes upon our Earth and their association with solar eclipses have long been known and was last evidenced by the January 12, 2010 7.0 magnitude quake that destroyed the Caribbean Island of Haiti killing over 250,000 and occurring 3 days before the January 15, 2010 solar eclipse. Hurricane type storms are also said to be cause of earthquakes by scientists as well as solar flares. Admiral Di Paola’s decision to move these 7,000 US Marines from their American base in North Carolina to Costa Rica, this report continues, is based upon his need to have “viable forces” positioned on either side of the North American and Caribbean Plate Zones should disaster strike. Under pressure from NATO, Costa Rica this week granted the US military a six-month window to bring the 7,000 Marines, five planes and 46 warships into its territory by a vote of 31-8 vote by its Legislative Assembly with some lawmakers warning that their Nation was giving up its sovereignty. And in what could possibly be one of the greatest ironies of all time, (and we’re not making this up, check the links) the American government is saying that its rapid movement of these 7,000 US Marines to Costa Rica is to help this Central American Nation “fight drugs”, while at the exact same time it not only refuses to protect its own drug infested border with Mexico, it has actually sued one of its own States for trying to protect it themselves. Though the US government continues to blackout nearly all the news of this historic catastrophe from reaching the American people, the same cannot be said of the hundreds, if not thousands of this beleaguered Nations citizens who continue their brave mission to inform their fellow citizens of the dire straight they are all facing, such as: The New Orleans families that traveled at great peril to the Gulf dodging roadblocks to gather their own samples of the water which show the waters are totally poisoned. A small, but very brave, American woman named Marguerite Cravatt who at 4’11” stood up to a 6’4” police officer trying to stop her from filming one of the many workers falling ill and having to be taken to hospital. The Sea Shepherd environmental group whose pilots have braved flying over the Gulf in fear of being shot down to document the catastrophic extent of this spill from the air. The Archangel Project which has documented the thousands of buses being secreted into the Gulf region for possible evacuations when the true extent of this disaster becomes known. The Florida Oil Spill Law website that has documented the hundreds of BP oil spill workers falling ill as well as reporting on the deaths occurring there too. The anonymous BP contract worker who agreed to be interviewed and explained the meaning of the “red flags” and “black flags” being used by cleanup crews. Though these are but a few of those seeking to tell the truth of these events, there are so many more doing the same thing that it perhaps signals that the power of the propaganda American media that exists only to serve the elite classes of the United States may, in fact, be crumbling as viewership levels have hit record lows among the United States top network newscasts. But be warned, and as history has proven time and time again, these elite classes will not go down without a fight and care not at all how millions have to die to protect their lives of wealth and privilege. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:39am
NATO orders U.S. Marines ?
They can do that, as if the U.S. military has no say in this? :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 12th, 2010 at 3:53pm
" . . . between January and March of 2001, incoming Vice President Dick Cheney conducted secret meetings with over 100 oil industry officials allowing them to draft a wish list of industry demands to be implemented by the oil friendly administration. Cheney also used that time to re-staff the Minerals Management Service with oil industry toadies including a cabal of his Wyoming carbon cronies. In 2003, newly reconstituted Minerals Management Service genuflected to the oil cartel by recommending the removal of the proposed requirement for acoustic switches. The Minerals Management Service's 2003 study concluded that 'acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly.'" -- MMS is now "the poster child for 'agency capture phenomena,'" Kennedy said. -- "[T]he real culprit in this villainy is a negligent industry, the festering ethics of the Bush Administration and poor oversight by an agency corrupted by eight years of grotesque subservience to Big Oil." ...
Huffington Post May 5, 2010 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 12th, 2010 at 7:08pm
BP may have stopped the leak that Obama didn't!!! That they created that was his fault!!!!
All BS aside, I hope it is stopped!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jul 12th, 2010 at 11:34pm
if this containment cap works, can we try another one on the JB birthday thread? that sucker's been oozing puss for friggin' ever.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 13th, 2010 at 7:34am Starbuck wrote on Jul 12th, 2010 at 11:34pm:
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:21am Starbuck wrote on Jul 12th, 2010 at 11:34pm:
speaks volumes for his posting abilties and strength of personal character. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jul 13th, 2010 at 6:06pm
Gee, color me shocked! LOL! Not really. I knew all along this prick was as useless as tits on a bull. Seems like most of the rest of the nation is starting to figure it out too. 'Bout time.
Riffy ------------------------------------------------------- Obama faces growing credibility crisis By Edward Luce in Washington Published: July 13 2010 18:51 | Last updated: July 13 2010 18:51 Robert Gibbs, Barack Obama’s chief spokesman, got into hot water this week for daring to speak the truth – that the Democrats could lose control of the House of Representatives in November. But it could be even worse than that. Contrary to pretty much every projection until now, Democratic control of the Senate is also starting to coming into question. While Mr Obama’s approval ratings have continued to fall, and now hover at dangerously close to 40 per cent according an ABC-Washington Post poll published on Tuesday, the fate of his former colleagues in the Senate looks even worse. In the past few days polls have shown Republican challengers taking the lead over previously safe Democratic incumbents, such as Barbara Boxer in California and Russ Feingold in Wisconsin. Indeed, given the uniformly negative direction in the numbers, it is now quite possible the Republicans could win the Senate seats formerly held by both President Obama in Illinois, and Joe Biden, vice-president, in Delaware. Add to that the continuing woes of Harry Reid, the Senate Democratic majority leader, in Nevada, where the Republican party’s recent nomination of Sharron Angle, a far-right and highly eccentric Tea Party supporter, appear to have had no positive effect on Mr Reid’s prospects, and the Grand Old party has a good shot at taking control of both houses of Congress. Worse for Mr Obama, political scientists say that at this stage in the calendar, there is almost nothing he can do about it. “If you ask me where the silver lining is for President Obama, I have to say I cannot see one,” says Bill Galston, a former Clinton official, who has been predicting for months the Democrats could lose the House. “Just as BP’s failure to cap the well has been so damaging, Obama’s failure to cap unemployment will be his undoing. There is nothing he can do to affect the jobless rate before November.” The direction of the data could hardly be worse. According to Democracy Corps, a group headed by Stanley Greenberg, a liberal pollster who is a close friend of Rahm Emanuel, Mr Obama’s chief of staff, a majority of US citizens see Mr Obama as “too liberal”. Astonishingly, 55 per cent of citizens think Mr Obama is a “socialist” against only 39 per cent who do not share that diagnosis. The same poll shows 48 per cent support for Republicans against just 42 per cent for Democrats. The numbers are eerily similar to 2006, except that it was George W. Bush’s Republicans who were on the receiving end four years ago. “The bottom line here is that Americans don’t believe in President Obama’s leadership,” says Rob Shapiro, another former Clinton official and a supporter of Mr Obama. “He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can’t think of how he could do that.” In private, informal advisors to Mr Obama are almost as negative. According to one, the US public’s loss of confidence in Mr Obama’s leadership is a factor above and beyond their dissatisfaction over the state of the real economy, which continues to slow as last year’s $787bn stimulus starts to run dry. The adviser, who asked to remain anonymous, said the public did not know what Mr Obama really believed. Examples include his lukewarm support last year for a public option in the healthcare bill and his equally lukewarm support today for a Senate bill that would extend unemployment insurance and aid state governments to keep teachers in their jobs. In both cases, Mr Obama has offered only token, negotiable, support. “I never thought I would say this, but even I’m unsure what President Obama really believes,” says the adviser. “Instead of outsourcing decisions to Congress, he should spell out his bottom line. That is what leaders are for.” Next week, Mr Obama is likely to sign a historic Wall Street re-regulation bill into law. Earlier this year he did the same for healthcare. But polls show the public either does not care, or even opposes these otherwise big reforms. “The longer this goes on, the more it looks like Obama wasted his first year on healthcare,” said the outside adviser. “It’s still the economy, stupid.” |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:38am
Obamas fucking up
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:49am Some Guy wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:38am:
when you have impotent dems and cock blocking repubs, you have oil and water and inneffective lawmaking. pun inteneded, let's get the gulf cleaned... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:57am Pdog wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:49am:
this ain't bringing jc and brainey back. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 14th, 2010 at 12:48pm
By TOM BREEN and HARRY R. WEBER, Associated Press Writers Tom Breen And Harry R. Weber, Associated Press Writers – 34 mins ago
NEW ORLEANS – BP's work on capping the Gulf of Mexico gusher was frozen Wednesday after the federal government raised concerns the operation could put damaging pressure on the busted well that could make the leak worse. An administration official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the talks with BP, said the government was acting out of "abundance of caution" and didn't want potentially dangerous pressure tests on a tighter containment cap that has been placed over the well to go ahead until BP answers questions about possible risks. At the same time, BP on its own halted the drilling of two relief wells that are designed to be a more permanent solution to plug the well. The delays were a stunning setback after the oil giant finally seemed to be on track following nearly three months of failed attempts to stop the spill, which has sullied beaches from Florida to Texas and decimated the multibillion dollar fishing industry. The administration official said Energy Secretary Steven Chu, U.S. Geological Survey chief Marcia McNutt and other government scientists met with BP Tuesday in Houston and had a number of questions about the plan to test the integrity of the well. Chu and other officials want to ensure that putting downward pressure on the well will not cause further leaks, the official said. "Our basic position was, if you can give us the answers we need ... then go ahead," the official said. Until then, "they can't go forward." The official stressed that the government was acting out of "an abundance of caution" and still hopes the temporary cap can be placed on the well. The new, temporary well cap had been seen as the best hope since April of stopping the geyser. Work on a permanent fix, relief wells that will plug the spill from below with mud and cement, also was halted. Oil continued to spew nearly unimpeded into the water, with no clear timeline on when it would stop. BP shares were down 2.5 percent in afternoon trading in London after recouping some of their oil spill losses earlier this week, when the cap project seemed to be moving ahead. "We want to move forward with this as soon as we are ready to do it," said Kent Wells, a BP senior vice president. BP had zipped through weekend preparations for getting the 75-ton cap in place and undersea robots locked it smoothly into place Monday atop the well, raising hopes the gusher could be checked for the first time since the Deepwater Horizon rig leased by BP exploded April 20, killing 11 workers. Wells said that it was the government's call late Tuesday to re-evaluate plans for testing the new cap, and that plans were on hold for at least 24 hours. Federal officials and the company will re-evaluate the best path forward after that time period. The run-up to the now-delayed testing process was closely monitored from Washington. Allen, who came to BP's U.S. offices in Houston on Tuesday, also met with Chu and McNutt along with BP and industry representatives. President Obama has been receiving multiple daily briefings on the work's progress, his adviser David Axelrod said. Wells did not commit with certainty to going forward with the testing, which would shut off the leak by closing valves on the cap and watching to see if it could hold the pressure from oil and gas in the well. Wells suggested other oil collection options might be redeployed. Work on a permanent fix, a relief well that would plug the leak with heavy drilling mud and cement, was halted for up to 48 hours as a precaution because it's not yet clear what effect the testing of the new cap could have on it. BP said on Tuesday that it halted work on a second relief well, but that holdup was expected. The company is drilling the second well as a backup in case the first doesn't work. The relief well's timeframe has always been hazy, with company and federal officials giving estimates ranging from the end of July to the middle of August before it can be completed. The surprise delay jarred Gulf Coast residents already weary of unending gloom. On the Alabama coast, Joyce Nelson said every bit of news from the spill site increases her stress and sparks a new round of telephone calls between friends and relatives in Bayou La Batre, where the seafood industry is virtually shut down because of the spill. The slowdown at the rig site just made things worse. "Everybody's calling everybody. It's hectic," said Nelson. "Everybody is worried about them blowing the whole thing out. If that happens, there's nothing they can do but let it drain out." Roger N. Anderson, a marine geologist at Columbia University, said he believes BP and government scientists are just being very cautious and he's not worried. Freezing work on the relief well may mean scientists are worried that clamping down the cap will push new pressure all the way down to the depths of the broken well, he said. "So I wouldn't panic, is the answer. They're going to be very, very deliberate about this," Anderson said. Assuming BP gets the green light to do the cap testing after the extra analysis is finished, engineers need to shut off lines already funneling some oil to ships to see how the cap handles the pressure of the crude coming up from the ground. Finally, they would shut the openings in the 75-ton metal stack of pipes and valves gradually, one at a time, while watching pressure gauges to see if the cap would hold or if any new leaks erupted. The operation could last anywhere from six to 48 hours, once it gets started. Scientists will be looking for high pressure readings of 8,000 to 9,000 pounds per square inch. Anything lower than 6,000 might indicate previously unidentified leaks in the well. As of Wednesday, the 85th day of the disaster, between 92 million and 182 million gallons of oil had spewed into the Gulf. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:03pm Pdog wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:49am:
LOL! Cock blocking Repubs?! Pray tell what exactly have the Republicans blocked? What have they been able to stop? Your Demoshit fuckups have run everything since day one of Obummer's Admin. Repubs couldn't stop the absolute destruction of our health care industry. Even when the American public strongly denounced this abortion of a bill, Obummer and his shit stain Democrats passed it into law. Against the will of the American people! Face it, you put your faith in a man that cares for nothing more than his own ideology, and power. On January 1, 2011 the single largest tax increase in human history will take place, and all of it because that is exactly what Obummer wants to do. He will kill millions more jobs, and the economy will further tank. That's what he wants to happen. He wants America to redistribute our wealth to the rest of the world, and he wants to keep all the power for himself. How very fucking Marxist of him. I remember full well telling everyone here what would happen should this Marxist bastard become president. Everything that I said would happen has happened. EVERYTHING!!!!! And now it's only going to get worse in 2011. I also said repeatedly that "It's coming hard and fast!" Come November that prediction is going to happen too. Anyone want to place a significant wager on the outcome of the November elections? I'll bet anyone here a thousand bucks that I was right and all the moron drones were, and always will be wrong! Any takers? HARD AND FAST!!!! I hope that the Republicans, once in power again, file multiple charges against Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. I want massive investigations, and convictions. I am praying for indictments, and even Obummer's impeachment. He's a fucking disgrace folks! Anyone that still defends this fuckstick is an ignorant fool. I tried in vain to tell all of the drones to wake up. Nobody bothered to read what this fool was really all about. The Bush hatred was so great that nobody bothered to study what this asshole was all about. His ties to Saul Alinsky? No big deal. His ties to William Ayers? No biggie. His ties to Tony Rezko? No big deal. His ties to Black Liberation Theology? No biggie. His ties to Rev. Wright? No biggie. His ties to several Socialist and Marxist groups? No biggie. Well, a whole hell of a lot of drones are waking up now. Gee, welcome to reality folks. Bush was a million times better than this fucking hack. He's the worst president ever. EVER! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:19pm
Saw this- WTF?
BP, Illusion of a False Spill June 20, 2010 The 'disaster' in the Gulf of Mexico is beyond a false flag; it's an illusion. What I'm about to reveal will more than likely go by the wayside, and the charade will continue. The reason for writing this is not for attention, games, or folly, but to expose the biggest scam in the 21st century, and to relieve some aching hearts. There is no need for fear as this is a staged event. I cannot reveal my sources, they do go straight to the top, but hopefully what I write will echo inside of each person reading this as the truth. Much of the information I present here cannot be easily verified, fast checked, or ever presented as anything, but hearsay, as they are just words of an anonymous online entity. The Government, corporations, and the people behind them have pulled out all the stops to insure the truth doesn't come out. They are the reason why the beaches have private security contractors, insuring no one is able to gain access to the oil on shore. They are the reason the Gulf of Mexico is a no fly zone. They are the reason why the gulf states are being locked down by military. They are the reason why the well head you see is different in many videos that BP releases. Without this measure of control the illusion would fail. In this post, what I can do is provide leading evidence, or give clues to the truth; from there you can use something that has gone by the way side, common sense. The large oil spills washing up on the shores are not from BP Deep Horizon. They are indeed from surrounding wells, that were already leaking by design. These wells can be verified through a simple online search. You'll notice that much of the oil is actually in the form of tar. Usually tar balls; sizes of these have reached 2000+ pounds. From the start, BP, Halliburton, and co-conspirators knew where they were drilling. Using specific equipment, such as the German ship RV Sonne, they had detailed maps of the ocean bottom. The ship, and a specific college study from 2005, in the Gulf of Mexico, are your starting points to what's really happening in the gulf. Here's a link to what the study synopses http://geology.about.com/cs/volcanology/a/aa051604a.htm What BP, Halliburton, and other co-conspirators intentionally drilled into was an Asphalt Volcano. Sounds scary doesn't it? It really is not. In fact, after you read the above link you'll know that the Gulf of Mexico is literally coated in oil, tar, and methane hydrate at the bottom. The study went on to find that massive aquatic life has specifically adapted to living off of the hydrocarbons. That in fact these asphalt volcanoes are a natural part of the ocean ecology, and their eruptions actually benefit the sea life over the long duration of time. Another aspect to what I was directly told is that BP, Halliburton, and other co-conspirators drilled intentionally into the 'mid side' of this particular asphalt volcano. Basically from what I understand, it is a soda bottle effect. If they had drilled into the top of the volcano, then all the gas would rise out, and explode as would bottled carbonated liquid. The effect of drilling into the side permits a safely controlled release of gas, tar, liquefied asphalt, and other related gases. What was done is a more or less controlled release; almost natural in fact! The Asphalt volcano was a win-win situation for this false flag: as it presented the best illusion to all outside parties. Not only do the conspirators need to fool the general public, but also the oil industry, and scientific community. The public is easy to fool, but the latter two groups take a little more effort; this is the main reason why the Gulf is being isolated by security contractors, and military. Anyone well versed on this giant debacle in the Gulf knows that it is surrounded with stories, and claims of negligence. This was the first purposeful aspect to make the story seem credible to all outside parties; as the story is more easily believed, when it is chalked up to human error, or incompetence. Besides using inferior, shoddy, or flat out negligent craftsmanship, as the well was intended to fail from the onset, the conspirators knew that the pressure produced from the volcano would blow out even better equipment. This was the second mechanism to fool other industry experts. All experts, and scientific communities only know what they are told, and that is the well tapped into a large high pressure hydrocarbon pocket. To even a trained eye, what they are being told appears to be a massive oil gusher, when in fact it's a controlled event. In watching the videos, or live feeds looks horrible, and very ominous, but upon closer examination the tell tale signs of what it really is shows through, what you are actually viewing is a man made(well bore) large "Black Smoker". You should take note, as the evidence has built, the live feed appears to have been tampered with. I suspect it is because of the video below. The man narrating the video has it correct, it is a volcano! But those aren't flames. From the link provided above, they are a combination of gases; specifically Sulfur, and Iron are what create the flame effect. Since the airing of that video, several of the live feeds have been proven to be tampered footage, or faked. http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Den9CoYb0OHs You need to realize that an illusion is only as good as it's weakest link. All scientific evidence on paper coming from the government, and corporations is being fudged. In the case of this staged, and controlled event that weak link is the oil, or more specifically the tangible tar that can be collected. As I mentioned much of the oil that has been seen, or noticed is tar rather than heavy crude oil. Out at sea closest to the Deep Horizon site, "shrimpers" have been hired to boom the oil/tar together, and set it ablaze. There are several huge fires right now out in the Gulf. The reason is for this is to hide the evidence. The distinct asphalt volcano tar, is actually coated with naturally produced oil eating microbes, and other natural safe guards produced by Mother Earth; these types of organisms are not present in a regular oil well, but commonly in the Asphalt Volcanoes, and large tar flows at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. To continue with why the asphalt volcano was a win-win to drill into, is the heaviness of the tar. Read the linked article provided above, the tar will cling to lighter oil, and fall to the bottom of the Gulf at some point, near in the future. Also, the microbes, and other organisms that naturally occur from this will multiply. They will not only eat the tar, but the other control released oil that they are pumping into the Gulf. We've all seen the videos of beaches not lined so much with oil, but with tar balls of varying sizes. Also, we've all noticed BP's overall lack of concern for cleanup. We've seen booms which aren't tied together. We've heard first hand account of staged clean ups on the beaches. As soon as a press conference, or media event is done BP stops work. The reason is simple, it's not that they don't care, but that they already know what's gonna happen. The oil will start naturally being cleaned up via decomposition, oil eating organisms, and falling to the already naturally tar covered bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. What's the benefit of this scam? MONEY, and population control. Read this article http://theintelhub.com/2010/06/18/gulf-spill-disaster-or-a-well-org.... If you're still reading this article, and even beginning to grasp the sinister nature of the fraud being perpetrated, then you'll realize that the Corexit 9500, and other dispersant's are not needed. They are purposely being sprayed by Evergreen Air/CIA to cull the population along the Gulf Coast. Also, explained to me, is the large amount of useless eaters, pond scum, or undesirables living along the gulf coast. These would be the Americans living off of the government. I will not beat around the bush with pleasantries, or politically correct statements here. This coastal area from Texas to Florida has the highest, or most dense population of targets of elimination by the US Govt., and corporations. These are the populations living on welfare(in this area dominated by African Americans), and the older population living on Social Security(mainly Florida). These people are going to start dropping like flies over the next few years, and greatly reduce the burden to government coffers. In this respect, this is a doomsday event, but it's not the end of the food chain, death of the oceans, or as some have warned an extinction level event. It's only bad for the targeted populations. To cover the money aspects of this fraudulent event, are somewhat self evident. Primarily, as President Obama (note he's not very worried, think about it) has just pointed out, they are using this false flag to move forward with the Carbon Tax, followed by Cap, and Trade. Another aspect of profit is the clean up of this disaster; those boats aren't running around for free in the Gulf. From there, is the very real aspect of banks calling their notes on the remaining mortgaged properties along the Gulf, and peninsula of Florida. Remember Katrina? They never gave the land back, but sold it to casinos, and other businesses. Almost all beach front property will end up in the hands of the banks, and government. They'll play this disaster off for a few years, and explain the mysterious disappearance of oil on kindness from mother nature. The side effects of this scam are negligible; in the eyes of the perpetrators, they've done nature a favor. They've opened up an asphalt volcano from the side, and will shut it down in the next few months by equalizing the pressure. The equalization of pressure will come by way of the two relief wells; which are not wells, but vents. when they do this, I have no clue what excuse they'll use, but the current gusher will stop. I said stop, it will not slow down, but literally stop. Remember, all they have done is aided nature in something that is a very common, and naturally occurring event at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. That's about all I have to say. I will pop in to answer any ...questions. The reason I came forward with this information is that I myself was worried about the level of this event. Honestly, knowing the reasoning of what, why, and how has given me peace. Anyone who has family anywhere near where they are spraying these chemicals need to alert their family to leave; they are the target of this false flag. To anyone who finds credence, or a shred of truth in what I've written, please pass this on; as we all are the target on the grand scale. The target by way of the coming carbon tax, cap, and trade. God Bless |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:51pm Riffhard wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:03pm:
wan't talking to you. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 14th, 2010 at 1:53pm Some Guy wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 6:57am:
I think they got to them... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 14th, 2010 at 2:44pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 12:48pm:
So BP has been allowed to remove the old cap and put a new one in place that may stop the oil, only for the government to say "maybe we should think about this a little bit more?" Here is a great example of the ass-backwards leadership we have in Washington right now. Whatever happened to thinking things through before getting started? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 14th, 2010 at 4:31pm
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Former Vice President Dick Cheney, who has a long history of heart problems, said on Wednesday he has had a new heart pump implanted.
"A few weeks ago, it became clear that I was entering a new phase of the disease when I began to experience increasing congestive heart failure," Cheney, 69, said in a statement. "After a series of recent tests and discussions with my doctors, I decided to take advantage of one of the new technologies available and have a Left Ventricular Assist Device (LVAD) implanted," he said. "The LVAD is a small implantable pump that improves heart function and will enable me to resume an active life." Cheney, who has had five heart attacks, the latest in February, said the surgery went well and he was recuperating. LVADs helps maintain the pumping ability of a heart that cannot work effectively on its own. They are usually implanted only in patients with severe heart failure and are nicknamed a "bridge to transplant", according to the American Heart Association. Congestive heart failure is a chronic condition that develops as the heart loses its ability to pump properly and gradually enlarges. Cheney previously had a defibrillator implanted to monitor his heart and shock it back into a normal rhythm if abnormal beating occurred. It was replaced in 2007 because of a low battery. Studies have shown LVADs reduce the risk of death in end-stage heart failure patients by 50 percent, extending the average life span from 3.1 months to more than 10 months. Cheney, a Republican, has been a vocal critic of Democratic President Barack Obama's policies. Dick Cheney has a heart? Why don't they just stick an oil well in there. Let BP do it. It's pefectly safe right? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:32pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:58pm Pdog wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:32pm: None....they just sit around and blame Obama....Did you know he was also responsible for the Hindenburg, the Lindbergh baby kidnapping and global warming.....Oh it's true....Just ask a Pubelican. :pukey |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jul 15th, 2010 at 1:20am Pdog wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:21am:
and you used to be funny before you started calling people's bosses and trying to convert riffy to your way of thinking. howe's that worked out for you? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:49am Starbuck wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 1:20am:
sounds like your problem not mine. notice no one calls the women hear cunts and makes racially charged comments about the first lady. you could definiyely use these dredging abilties to go clean up the gulf. I have no idea how you think I'm converting anyone, that is so lame. I really want to know, why you need to start shit, when nothing was there. If you got a problem with me, fine... Argue for yourself, you think doing it other peoples names somehow means your not doing it. Do you have a problem with me, or do you have a problem with me and other people? One you need to either reconcile and settle and move on, the other is none of your business. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:01am
I see Hope & Change coming right around the corner.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:16am Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:01am:
the impeachment drums are beating loud |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:19am Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:01am:
what's it look like? Do you miss those good old days... are we going to be able to stop all this change and progress, and maybe we can restore things to some make pretend past... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:26am Some Guy wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:16am:
Sadly, I was referring to the fact that the Observer In Chief & family is bringing his oil slick to our state for an 11 day vacation. Bush, Clinton now O always choose Maine or Mass. Don't they know there are 48 other states (or 52 as someone once said) to bring their circus to? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:31am Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:26am:
it's coming hard and deep |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:47am Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:26am:
you think it is a fact, he created the oil slick? and is causing pollution. there is a reason why they go there, the security and logistic for a presidfent to be there are in place... if you'd like, we spend alot of money to set up airports, intel and safety networks so he can somewhere else, then you can complain about how mucgh he spent, like when he went to a show in NYC... anything you don't get a saggy leaky diaper over? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:48am Some Guy wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:31am:
this never scares me, just gets me horny! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 15th, 2010 at 9:31am Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:26am:
Would you rather have BP drill a new oil well on Martha's Vineyard? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 10:29am Pdog wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:47am:
Meds? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 10:31am sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 9:31am:
No, as there is no oil here. Took over a decade to get approval for a wind farm. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 11:16am Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 10:29am:
nice reply... i won't grace you with a return personal insult... at least you're not offensive like some people. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 11:29am Pdog wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 11:16am:
Say what you want, it's all good for a laugh! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 1:03pm Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 11:29am:
thanks for the permission to speak what I choose, I was holding myself back... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 2:09pm Pdog wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 1:03pm:
Just encouragement, not permission. Thanks for placing me in such a lofty position. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 15th, 2010 at 3:34pm
By COLLEEN LONG and HARRY R. WEBER, Associated Press Writers Colleen Long And Harry R. Weber, Associated Press Writers – 22 mins ago
NEW ORLEANS – A tightly fitted cap was successfully keeping oil from gushing into the Gulf of Mexico for the first time in three months, BP said Thursday. The victory — long awaited by weary residents along the coast — is the most significant milestone yet in BP's effort to control one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history. Kent Wells, a BP PLC vice president, said at a news briefing that oil stopped flowing into the water at 2:25 p.m. CDT after engineers gradually dialed down the amount of crude escaping through the last of three valves in the 75-ton cap. "I am very pleased that there's no oil going into the Gulf of Mexico. In fact, I'm really excited there's no oil going into the Gulf of Mexico," Wells said. The stoppage came 85 days, 16 hours and 25 minutes after the first report April 20 of an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig that killed 11 workers and triggered the spill. Now begins a waiting period to see if the cap can hold the oil without blowing a new leak in the well. Engineers will monitor pressure readings incrementally for up to 48 hours before reopening the cap while they decide what to do. Though not a permanent fix, the solution has been the only one that has worked to stem the flow of oil since April. BP is drilling two relief wells so it can pump mud and cement into the leaking well in hopes of plugging it for good by mid-August. BP has struggled to contain the spill and had so far been successful only in reducing the flow, not stopping it. The company removed an old, leaky cap and installed the new one Monday. Between 93.5 million and 184.3 million have already spilled into the Gulf, according to federal estimates. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 5:37pm Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 2:09pm:
but sir, you put yourself in the position, twas not I. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 5:39pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 3:34pm:
I'm crossing my fingers hoping it works and crossing my legs as a personal blowout preventer! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 15th, 2010 at 5:45pm
well allright! lot of oil up in that mug, gas should be a buck a gallon. Abiotic oil reserve!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:09pm Some Guy wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 5:45pm:
only cost me 2.68 gal. to buy super premium, when I left SF 2 years ago it was just under $5.00 a gal for reg. if i knew we were taxing it in a way, to not only put every possible effort into safety and researching alternative, I would be more than willing to pay those costs again. Especially knowing, all those profits go to mid-east govts and multi-national companies that avoid paying taxes through offshore companies and some of the lowest forms of humanity western civilazation has ever produced. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:19pm Some Guy wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 5:45pm:
If they really wanted some good pr,BP would put a huge discount on gas in the gulf states. Hell give those people free gas. After the hell they're going through,they could'nt do enough for them. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:30pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:19pm:
I'd be happy with just the chance of putting my foot up Tony Hayward's little bitch ass. :wtf2 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:44pm Edith Grove wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:30pm:
taking the rock to the rim |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:53pm Edith Grove wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 6:30pm:
as they say on facebook " i like this" |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 7:24pm
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-461896
The above link will take you to the video... This story was broke hear already, and is making its way into the media... Scientists Warn Gulf Of Mexico Sea Floor Fractured Beyond Repair Video confirms it June 18, 2010 | Vetting explained Posted by: BruceRubin Viewed 56,862 times Shared 1,198 times iReport — A dire report circulating in the Kremlin today that was prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Anatoly Sagalevich of Russia's Shirshov Institute of Oceanology warns that the Gulf of Mexico sea floor has been fractured “beyond all repair” and our World should begin preparing for an ecological disaster “beyond comprehension” unless “extraordinary measures” are undertaken to stop the massive flow of oil into our Planet’s eleventh largest body of water. Most important to note about Sagalevich’s warning is that he and his fellow scientists from theRussian Academy of Sciences are the only human beings to have actually been to the Gulf of Mexico oil leak site after their being called to the disaster scene by British oil giant BP shortly after the April 22nd sinking of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform. BP’s calling on Sagalevich after this catastrophe began is due to his being the holder of the World’s record for the deepest freshwater dive and his expertise with Russia’s two Deep Submergence Vehicles MIR 1 and MIR 2 [photo below] which are able to take their crews to the depth of 6,000 meters (19,685 ft). According to Sagalevich’s report, the oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico is not just coming from the 22 inch well bore site being shown on American television, but from at least 18 other sites on the “fractured seafloor” with the largest being nearly 11 kilometers (7 miles) from where the Deepwater Horizon sank and is spewing into these precious waters an estimated 2 million gallons of oil a day. Interesting to note in this report is Sagalevich stating that he and the other Russian scientists were required by the United States to sign documents forbidding them to report their findings to either the American public or media, and which they had to do in order to legally operate in US territorial waters. However, Sagalevich says that he and the other scientists gave nearly hourly updates to both US government and BP officials about what they were seeing on the sea floor, including the US Senator from their State of Florida Bill Nelson who after one such briefing stated to the MSNBC news service“Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.” Though not directly stated in Sagalevich’s report, Russian scientists findings on the true state of the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster are beyond doubt being leaked to his longtime friend, and former US President George W. Bush’s top energy advisor Matthew Simmons, who US media reports state has openly said: “Matthew Simmons is sticking by his story that there's another giant leak in the Gulf of Mexico blowing massive amounts of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. On CNBC's Fast Money, he says he'd be surprised if BP lasted this summer, saying this is disaster is entirely BP's fault.” As a prominent oil-industry insider, and one of the World's leading experts on peak oil, Simmons further warns that the US has only two options, “let the well run dry (taking 30 years, and probably ruining the Atlantic ocean) or nuking the well.” Obama’s government, on the other hand, has stated that a nuclear option for ending this catastrophe is not being discussed, but which brings him into conflict with both Russian and American experts advocating such an extreme measure before all is lost, and as we can read as reported by Britain’s Telegraph News Service: “The former Soviet Union (U.S.S.R.) used nuclear weapons on five separate occasions between 1966 and 1981 to successfully cap blown-out gas and oil surface wells (there was also one attempt that failed), which have been documented in a U.S. Department of Energy report on the U.S.S.R.'s peaceful uses of nuclear explosions. Russia is now urging the United States to consider doing the same. Komsomoloskaya Pravda, the best-selling Russian daily newspaper, asserts that although based on Soviet experience there's a one-in-five chance a nuke might not seal the well, it's "a gamble the Americans could certainly risk." Reportedly, the U.S.S.R. developed special nuclear devices explicitly for closing blown-out gas wells, theorizing that the blast from a nuclear detonation would plug any hole within 25 to 50 meters, depending on the device's power. Much as I had idly imagined, massive explosions can be employed to collapse a runaway well on itself, thus plugging, or at least substantially stanching, the flow of oil. “Seafloor nuclear detonation is starting to sound surprisingly feasible and appropriate," University of Texas at Austin mechanical engineer Michael E. Webber is quoted observing, while Columbia University visiting scholar on nuclear policy and former naval officer Christopher Brownfield wrote in the Daily Beast: "We should have demolished this well with explosives over a month ago. And yet we watch in excruciating suspense while BP fumbles through plan after plan to recover its oil and cover its asset.” As to the reason for Obama’s government refusing to consider nuking this oil well, Sagalevich states in this report that the American’s “main concern” is not the environmental catastrophe this disaster is causing, but rather what the impact of using a nuclear weapon to stop this leak would have on the continued production of oil from the Gulf of Mexico, and which in an energy starved World’s remains the Planet’s only oil producing region able to increase its production. On top of the environmental catastrophe currently unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico the situation may about to get even worse as new reports from the US are confirming the grim predictions of Russian scientists regarding the oil dispersement poisons being used by BP which are being swept up into the clouds and falling as toxic rain destroying every living plant it touches, and as we had detailed in our May 23rd report titled “Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America” To what the final outcome of this catastrophe will be it is not in our knowing other than to state the obvious that the choice facing the American’s today is to either stop this disaster now, by any means, or pay dearly for it later. After all, is cheap petrol really worth the cost of destroying our own Earth? BP surely thinks so, let’s keep hoping Obama doesn’t. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 7:30pm
Oil industry expert Bob Cavnar isn't buying the official story. He told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann on Wednesday that the repeated missteps cast doubt on BP's explanation for why the cap was necessary in the first place.
"I don't understand this whole operation," Cavnar stated. "Sunday was the first time I heard the words 'well integrity test.' There's never been any discussion about this in their public disclosure or in anything else that I've seen. ... So I'm completely confused as to why they're taking this risk of damaging the well further. ... They didn't have all these steps worked out." "They shouldn't be doing this at all," he suggested. "They should be continuing with the relief well to get this thing killed." Cavnar believes that BP's true goal is to make it harder to measure the flow of oil from the damaged well, because under the Clean Water Act, it will be liable for civil penalties of up to $4300 for every barrel spilled. "While they have every incentive to get the well killed, BP also has every incentive to not capture 100% of the well flow until they do," Cavnar wrote last week at Huffington Post. "As soon as they do capture all the flow, then a real, measurable number will be in front of the public, and that's the last thing BP wants, since that number will then be used to extrapolate environmental damage, hence per barrel fines that will likely run to the tens of billions anyway." "The whole [original] reason for this cap was to allow two more outlets to produce to four ships so they could capture between sixty and eighty thousand barrels a day," Cavnar told Olbermann "This whole business of shutting in -- and shutting down the relief well -- just doesn't make any sense to me at this point. ... My guess is that they're hoping to be able to shut down at least some of the production from the well so once they open it back up to the surface ... it will be producing at a rate less than what it was 'open flow.' So it'll be harder to measure what the total flow was from the well when it was completely uncontrolled." This "test" is probably a good political and public relations bet for both the Obama administration and BP. It's really not a test at all and has no chance of actually testing anything about the well, except their ability to shut it in with no surface leaks. They want to shut in the well and get it off the nightly news. They want that so badly they're willing to risk anything for it. That's both BP and Our Government. They shut in the well and Thad Allen is a hero. They fail and he's no more of a moron than he has been for the last three months. If they succeed in shutting it in or not, any damage they've done in the "test" that makes the kill operation more difficult, or even impossible, will be a matter of opinion. This bet is against the citizens of the United States of America being smart enough to figure any of this out. It's not a bet on actual physical outcomes. It has nothing at all to do with what's the best plan for stopping this disaster. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Nellcote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:39pm Pdog wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 5:37pm:
Au contraire mon frere', for it was not I who brought the diaper comment to the fore. I am bowing to your endless diatribe of wisdom. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:53pm Nellcote wrote on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:39pm:
a metaphorical description of how I percieved the tone, not the same as a a rhetorical one words question alluding to my well being and need for medical/chemical help... but I see your point... if you felt as if I was making the comment to attack you personaly, it wasn't meant that way, it was to describe the complaining tone, no more than that... |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jul 15th, 2010 at 9:29pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 16th, 2010 at 4:56am
If you need another reason to say FU-BP, have a look at this: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6680872n&tag=mncol;lst;1 :whydontcha
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by MrPleasant on Jul 16th, 2010 at 5:22am
Maybe if people didn't talk too much, especially all those wonderful politicians, the world would be a better place.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 16th, 2010 at 5:26am MrPleasant wrote on Jul 16th, 2010 at 5:22am:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s209/leepullen/head-in-the-sand.gif?t=1279275986 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by MrPleasant on Jul 16th, 2010 at 6:31am Alcohol is good. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by MrPleasant on Jul 16th, 2010 at 6:51am
Fucking shit. FUCK YOU (not 'you', but the people behind you)..
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 16th, 2010 at 10:17am |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 18th, 2010 at 4:23pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 19th, 2010 at 5:59am
Seismic photometry indicated a moderate weakness in some limestone deposits about 300 meters below the wellhead surface. The present concern is that the pressure should be at least 7000 psi, if it stays below that level there is a very real possibility that methane could be forcing the oil laterally into some fractured Carboniferous shale that is at about 200 meters below and about 10 kilometers east. If that were to happen it would not be a good thing!
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 20th, 2010 at 12:09am
DALLAS, TX – Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, announced the White House’s plan to deport 15 million Republicans to Mexico.
Many in Washington were stunned by President Obama’s decision, the first time in U.S. history that a sitting President has moved to deport legal U.S. Citizens. Senior Adviser David Axelrod spoke to Keith Olbermann, who thought the idea was “genius, you should have done this a year ago.” Axelrod explained the decision, “It is difficult for the President to get his agenda through with all these Republicans standing in his way. When we won the election we thought they would just shut up and let us clean up the mess. We’re left with no choice but to deport these Republicans, so that we can run the country the way we want.” Napolitano said that mass deportations will start immediately and would not be limited to Arizona Republicans – though they would be the first rounded up. Governor Jan Brewer was picked up last night and driven across the border in an armored car. She was taken to Rosarito on the West Coast of Mexico – where she will be set up with a taco stand. Homeland Security has streamlined the system by seizing the records of Republican Party offices throughout the country. They will begin going door to door, randomly picking those Republican individuals (and families) that “have to go.” Glenn Beck was taken this morning to an adobe hut in Campeche where he will continue broadcasting his show – to himself. Once they hit the 15 million mark, the Obama Administration plans to grant citizenship to the 15 million illegal immigrants in this country. Axelrod said, “these new citizens will be registered Democrats and that will make it a lot easier for us to get our agenda passed.” When asked about the deportations James Carville told CNN that if they came for his wife, Republican Mary Matalin, ICE was going to have some trouble. “I’ll open some cajun whoopass on those bastards.” He was also upset that he’d be out of a job. “If there’s only one party in the country, who’s gonna need political consultants?” As of 2004 there were 55 million registered Republicans in the country. After the deportations, there still will 40 million left. “This is just the first phase of Operation So-Long-Suckers. If it goes as smoothly as we predict, we can deport another 15 million by the end of the year,” President Obama told Katie Couric, who wept with joy. “There is no other President in the history of our great nation that would the courage and strength to take the necessary steps to bring us all together. You are a God, Mr. President,” Couric told Obama. “I know,” President Obama replied. As you would expect, most Republicans were outraged at the deportations, but Axelrod reminded them that “you smashed the car into the tree and we’ve been trying to get the car back on the road, and you want us to give you the keys back to the car, so you can smash another tree. Well, you’re not getting the keys back, you’re being sent to your room. Mexico.” Washington insiders were not surprised that several Republicans supported the deportations: Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts and Senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine. But even though they spoke in favor of the plan, President Obama is still having them deported. “They’re still Republicans. One and elephant, always an elephant.” So,if you are a Republican, how do you protect yourself against being deported? RUN!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 20th, 2010 at 6:49am
VOTE today
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 20th, 2010 at 7:02am Some Guy wrote on Jul 20th, 2010 at 6:49am:
Most importantly, vote in November for the candidate you truly feel will do the best job for ALL the people, regardless of party lines, etc. Study the individual candidates, visit their websites, pay attention to their interviews and the debates. You may actually find a candidate who most closely resembles your personal beliefs, who you may not have thought of considering before. For that matter, we should all be doing this for each and every election, regardless of how much is at stake. :whydontcha |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jul 20th, 2010 at 12:01pm Some Guy wrote on Jul 20th, 2010 at 6:49am:
waste of time and gas.....a choice between more of the same?......guys up here spending 40k running for commission jobs that pay 6 k a year? gee wonder what motivated em to do that?..yeah right.......a place at the trough |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on Jul 20th, 2010 at 6:53pm Some Guy wrote on Jul 20th, 2010 at 6:49am:
History says, if you really want a change, violent revolution is the only way. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:01am gimmekeef wrote on Jul 20th, 2010 at 12:01pm:
best roy barnes ever |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:55am Some Guy wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:01am:
we're doomed if that good ole boy gets back in....at least John Assinine lost his bid........ |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jul 21st, 2010 at 11:41am
Hard and Fast!
POLL: ANY REPUBLICAN WOULD BEAT OBAMA IN '12... http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1478 Just a quick poll of my own, if I may? Is there anyone here that is still stupid enough to support this assclown in the White House? Have all the drones snapped out of it yet? Anyone ready to cop to the fact that you are still stupid enough to praise this community organizing Marxist America hating fuckstick?! And one more, where the hell is BJ?! Hey BJ, he sucks! He sucks really really really bad! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 21st, 2010 at 11:44am Riffhard wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 11:41am:
I guess if thier is still people stupid enough to read your posts than anything is possible. :whatapostronnie |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:01pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 11:44am:
Ahh, very good SCL!!!! You see when I was telling the whole wide world that Barack Obama was an incompetent ideological fool, and that he was totally unacceptable as president because of these, and a myriad of other reasons, I was called every name in the book. Bush Geek really stands out. Which is particularly funny because I was plenty critical of Bush when it was warranted. However, I made it a point to say loud and clear that I would be back when I was proven right, and that I would rub it into the faces of all the morons that voted for this piece of shit. That time is now. I was 100% right regarding this fucking disaster of a president. All those who voted for him were complete fools who decided that they would assuage their collective liberal white guilt and vote for the cool smooth talking black guy. That is racist as hell, but liberals are too damned stupid and shallow to understand that form of racism, so whatever..... None of you that voted for this clown did any damned reading or studying of him, his past, or of his beliefs. You just hated Bush so much that figured let's give Barry a try. Well gee thanks! You helped fuck our country. So, you'll pardon me SCL, if I could give two flying fucks what you think about my posts! It's your idiotic vote that really needs to be explained! Please tell me that you did not vote for Obummer?! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 21st, 2010 at 1:27pm NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:49pm
Obama To Louisiana: Drop Dead
by Jeff Crouere (excerpt) BAYOU BUZZ The administration is not content to stop all deep water drilling in the Gulf. For all practical purposes, all new drilling in the Gulf has been brought to a standstill. Industry officials report that the permitting process for all drilling has been made so cumbersome that there is no new oil and gas activity in the Gulf. Reports are that major oil and gas employers in Louisiana are getting ready to cut massive numbers of jobs in the days ahead unless this moratorium is lifted and the permitting process is changed. Does the President care that his decisions are causing major economic harm to Louisiana? It seems the goal of the administration is to inflict economic harm on the red state of Louisiana. Yesterday, it was announced that a major shipyard, Avondale, located right outside of New Orleans will be closing in 2013, which will result in the loss of 5,000 direct jobs and 7,000 indirect jobs. These are high paying positions that will not be replaced anytime soon. Next to Tulane University, this shipyard is the largest private sector employer in the New Orleans, so the blow to the local economy is major. The defense contractor Northrop Grumman which manages the shipyard announced that they will be closing the shipyard and moving the jobs to another site. This was caused by an overall decline in the administration’s ship building budget. Coupled with the drilling moratorium and the cancellation of NASA’s Constellation program and the loss of 2,000 aerospace jobs at the Michoud facility in New Orleans East, the policies of the Obama administration are costing the State of Louisiana approximately 60,000 top quality jobs. When Lafourche Parish President Charlotte Randolph complained to the President that his actions are costing Louisiana thousands of good jobs, he recommended that the newly displaced workers apply for unemployment benefits. The revealing response was an insight into the mind of Obama. Obviously, in his view, seeking government assistance is a viable answer, not a last resort. Yet, his response is an insult to the hard working people of Louisiana, who want to provide for their families, not become dependent on government. Sadly, Obama’s polices are negatively impacting the state, which delivered 59 percent of its vote to John McCain in 2008, In that election, Louisiana voters were smart enough to understand that the Obama agenda was misguided and would be detrimental to our state and national economy. Everyday the wisdom of Louisiana voters to reject Obama is becoming more apparent. It is a real tragedy that the voters in the blue states did not possess the foresight of the voters in Louisiana. http://www.lanewslink.com/archives.php?id=18608 |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Bingo on Jul 21st, 2010 at 7:31pm |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:32pm
[quote author=Edith Grove link=1272828470/625#644 date=1279756188]Obama To Louisiana: Drop Dead
by Jeff Crouere (excerpt) BAYOU BUZZ The administration is not content to stop all deep water drilling in the Gulf. For all practical purposes, all new drilling in the Gulf has been brought to a standstill. Industry officials report that the permitting process for all drilling has been made so cumbersome that there is no new oil and gas activity in the Gulf. Reports are that major oil and gas employers in Louisiana are getting ready to cut massive numbers of jobs in the days ahead unless this moratorium is lifted and the permitting process is changed. Does the President care that his decisions are causing major economic harm to Louisiana? It seems the goal of the administration is to inflict economic harm on the red state of Louisiana. Yesterday, it was announced that a major shipyard, Avondale, located right outside of New Orleans will be closing in 2013, which will result in the loss of 5,000 direct jobs and 7,000 indirect jobs. These are high paying positions that will not be replaced anytime soon. Next to Tulane University, this shipyard is the largest private sector employer in the New Orleans, so the blow to the local economy is major. The defense contractor Northrop Grumman which manages the shipyard announced that they will be closing the shipyard and moving the jobs to another site. This was caused by an overall decline in the administration’s ship building budget. Coupled with the drilling moratorium and the cancellation of NASA’s Constellation program and the loss of 2,000 aerospace jobs at the Michoud facility in New Orleans East, the policies of the Obama administration are costing the State of Louisiana approximately 60,000 top quality jobs. When Lafourche Parish President Charlotte Randolph complained to the President that his actions are costing Louisiana thousands of good jobs, he recommended that the newly displaced workers apply for unemployment benefits. The revealing response was an insight into the mind of Obama. Obviously, in his view, seeking government assistance is a viable answer, not a last resort. Yet, his response is an insult to the hard working people of Louisiana, who want to provide for their families, not become dependent on government. Sadly, Obama’s polices are negatively impacting the state, which delivered 59 percent of its vote to John McCain in 2008, In that election, Louisiana voters were smart enough to understand that the Obama agenda was misguided and would be detrimental to our state and national economy. Everyday the wisdom of Louisiana voters to reject Obama is becoming more apparent. It is a real tragedy that the voters in the blue states did not possess the foresight of the voters in Louisiana. Republicans suck because they lie. I want to get one thing straight; not all Republicans lie. Some of them are just incredibly wrong. Not all Republican’ts are conservatives and not all conservatives are part of the new neo-conservative movement. It is these people, these neo-cons that are the problem. It is this group of “patriots” that is destroying our economy and creating an atmosphere of fear, hate and bigotry in our country. And, by and large, the leaders of this movement create this atmosphere by lying to their audience. Since these lies often appeal to the conservatives’ deepest fears and basest emotions, they almost always go unchallenged or investigated by the right-wing voters. The neo-cons can be broken down into types: the voters and the leadership. I’ll start with the average citizens who vote along the neo-conservative ideological lines. 1. The Religious Right. This is the group of conservative voters who vote primarily on social/moral issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. They don’t let little things like the national economy get in the way of Jerry Falwellushering in the Nation of God. They don’t pay too much attention to history however. In spite of what conservative candidates say, they seldom, if ever, make any change in these issues if elected. Despite having control of the three branches of government for the majority of the Reagan/Bush I/Bush II administration, Republicans have not overturned Roe v. Wade, have lost ground in same-sex marriage and gay and lesbian rights and were responsible for The Brady Bill, which is the largest gun control legislation in US history. 2. The Self-Interested. These are the voters who care nothing for the national economy, the plight of their fellow Americans or anything other than their own personal wealth. They vote Republican because Republicans favor business, lower taxes for the wealthy and disfavor social programs. Despite all historic evidence to the contrary, they may pretend, or even believe, that supply-side economics works for the nation as a whole, but even if they don’t believe it, they know what is good for them; screw everyone else. 3. The Frightened. These people are afraid of everything: big government taking their money, minorities, homosexuality, foreigners, and change – especially change. They vote for the man who tells them everything will be alright as long as those evil progressives don’t get into power. The more powerful the candidate seems, the safer they feel. A candidate who says with great vigor they are going to “hunt down” all the terrorists, is much more likely to get this vote than a candidate who expresses any interest in diplomacy, even when brute force is demonstrably making the situation worse. Of course, many conservative voters don’t fit neatly into only one of these categories, but share attributes of any combination of the three. Now the politicians and the pundits can easily be sorted into the same three categories, and sometimes are. However, the overwhelming majority belong to the Self-Interested. Why? It’s all about the bottom line, and not yours. It is obvious to anyone who looks at the relationship between the Bush family and oil, with gold, and with big money in general, where their personal interests lie. Cheney and Halliburton, anyone associated with Jack Abramoff, Enron, Carl Brizi and Tim Durham, the list goes on and on. And on and on. Are there any democrats with ties to big business? You bet there are. The difference is that democrats, as a body, don’t seek to exploit their elected positions by introducing and voting for legislation to enhance their personal finances and power. Cons romance the voters in the religious right, and then do next to nothing to advance that agenda. They appeal to the fears of the frightened, even going so far as to manufacture fear in order to do so. They court the angry disenfranchised middle class white voters with tales of welfare fraud and reverse racism. They lie to those that are self-interested, but not completely without a sense of patriotism or concern for their fellow citizens – they help them to believe that lowering taxes for the rich, deregulating business and cutting social programs is good for our economy. Would Rush Limbaugh, a multi-millionaire, have any reason to have voters believe that the rich should have a lower tax burden? Would Dick Cheney, who is a major stockholder in many corporations and sits on the board for several, have any reason whatsoever to have the voting public believe that business should be free of regulations, thereby increasing profit shares? Consider the source, and then investigate the evidence, check the historic precedence and then ask yourself who stands to gain? Read this book to find example after example of Republicans lying to you: “State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration” by James Risen James Risen, a New York Times writer exposes some of the most serious and concerning facts about what Bush knew before and after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Were we committed to Iraq from the moment W was elected? Were the attacks preventable? |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Starbuck on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:21pm
riffnupt....
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Riffhard on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 11:27am Starbuck wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:21pm:
Yeah, I'm afraid you're right Bucky. Once it was proven that I was 100% right and, more importantly, that the drones and, the personal friends of Barack's, were 100% wrong, I had a funny feeling that this political thread would dry up. I suppose me trying to fan the flames is almost as hopeless as the Dipshitocrats winning in 2010 and 2012. I now happily bow out of this thread (again), and look forward to the day when actual intelligent adults regain the reins of power, and start, once again, defending the rights of the individual as opposed to this collective salvation Marxist claptrap that this stupid fuckstick has been spewing since day one. I must say that I am stunned that so many people fell for this idiocy, but there you go. Obummer has shit the bed, and so too have the morons running Congress these days. Fear not Buckster! The day of the new conservatives is close at hand! The ghosts of Reagan and Goldwater (and yes, even JFK!) are smiling down upon us all now, and come November we shall be singing Happy Days Are Here Again! Obummer has rendered the Democrat Party dead for the foreseeable future. It will take at least a decade to undo the damage that that ideologue has done. Time to purge this once great party of useless hacks like Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Schumer, etc., etc., etc............ The country needs a strong Democrat Party. We just must purge it of the far left hacks that have taken it over and driven the country to the cusp of insolvency! All for the people, mind you! LOL!!!!!! Just like I said it would be! Hard and Fast! Riffy |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Unholy Trinity on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:28pm Starbuck wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:21pm:
Some of us dont. Try and get it back on topic or it closes. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 2:27pm
One of the logistical difficulties in combating the Gulf oil disaster has been finding housing for the thousands of workers brought in by BP and its contractors to work on cleanup and containment operations. Many of the coastal communities, especially in oil-soaked Louisiana, are sparsely populated and don't have the ability to accommodate a sudden influx of people. Enter "flotels."
Many workers have been housed in floating hotel/motels — structures similar to trailers or shipping containers stacked on top of each other on a barge. BP told a New Orleans Fox affiliate that the flotels were useful for keeping workers close to cleanup sites, thereby eliminating travel time. But some aren't happy about it. In fact, a group of fishermen decided to go on strike in protest of their accommodations, and some workers have expressed concerns about safety. "We're on strike, so we're not going to work," Jules Dag told WDSU, an NBC affiliate in New Orleans. "I'm not living on no quarterboat," Dag said. "When I signed up, the agreement was we lived at a motel or somewhere they supplied us to live." Dag said that some workers have no choice but to accept lodging at a flotel because they've yet to be paid and have depleted whatever savings they had as a result. "We ain't been paid yet," Dag said. "We've used almost everything we got to live out here already. Forty days, we ain't seen nothing yet. What we supposed to do for money?" One worker compared the living conditions to jail, saying, "If I wanted to be in prison, I would break the law and go to jail." Privacy is scant, typically limited to little more than a retractable curtain, with common areas for showers, eating and leisure activities. The flotels are powered by generators, with each pod holding 12 bunks. The close quarters made another worker concerned about disease. A fire even broke out inside a flotel in Plaquemines Parish on Tuesday night, injuring five cleanup workers. A spokesman for the local sheriff's office said the injuries were minor, though — mostly smoke inhalation. BP did not respond to The Upshot's requests for comment on the latest developments. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 2:53pm
once the Chinese are done cleaning up their mess with chopstix maybe we can junk them over here to finish BP's job?
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 3:34pm gimmekeef wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 2:53pm:
Just don't ask Nigeria for help. They've had an oil leak for like the last 20 years. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 4:02pm
"President Barack Obama, who has been under pressure over the spill, will spend the August 14 weekend along the hard-hit Florida Gulf Coast, the White House announced."
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Jumping Jack on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 4:31am
He has promised to play golf in every state along the gulf coast before the election to demonstrate leadership and empathy! His secret service caddy will be checking the sand traps for oil clumps before raking.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 6:58pm Jumping Jack wrote on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 4:31am:
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Jul 27th, 2010 at 5:39am
See 'ya later, bitch !
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by gimmekeef on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:25am
so one would think that BP would have suffered in sales with all the bad publicity etc? Revenue was up 34% as just reported along with the Heyward firing. Amazing........
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 27th, 2010 at 2:18pm
Oops,just when it looks like BP has their stuff together,somebody else fucks up:
NEW ORLEANS – Oil is spewing from a damaged well north of a bay where officials have been fighting the spill from the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. The Coast Guard says a tow boat called Pere Ana C. hit the wellhead near Mud Lake early Tuesday. No injuries were reported. The Coast Guard did not know who owns the small well or how much oil has leaked. But a sheen has been spotted in the lake. Jefferson Parish Councilman Chris Roberts says oil is spewing from the wellhead. Coast Guard Lt. Brian Sattler says a helicopter has been dispatched to survey the area, which is accessible only by boat. Mud Lake is part of a network of bayous and lakes north of Barataria Bay, an ecologically sensitive coastal estuary where authorities have been fighting waves of oil from the Gulf spill. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Tumbled on Jul 29th, 2010 at 12:55pm
Gulf Coast Residents File Personal Injury Suit Over Oil Dispersant
Tresa Baldas 07-29-2010 The first personal injury lawsuit involving the chemical dispersant Corexit 9500 has surfaced in Alabama, where two Gulf Coast residents and property owners allege that BP PLC's use of the product is causing people to get sick. In Wright v. BP, filed July 26 in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Alabama, the plaintiffs claim BP has dumped millions of gallons of toxic chemicals into the Gulf of Mexico to disperse and sink crude oil to the bottom of the ocean. The plaintiffs allege that one method by which the company has applied Corexit 9500 -- spraying it from airplanes in the middle of the night -- has caused Gulf Coast residents to suffer breathing and gastrointestinal problems, as well as property damage. According to plaintiffs attorney Jere Beasley of Montgomery, Ala.'s Beasley, Allen, Crow, Methvin, Portis & Miles, whose firm filed the suit, more than 100 people in recent months have received emergency room treatments for nausea, dizziness, shortness of breath and extreme headaches. Those problems, he alleges, are the result of exposure to Corexit. Hundreds more have visited their personal doctors for similar problems, he said. "It's our judgment that the oil is extremely, extremely bad, but the chemicals could be worse in the scheme of things," Beasley said. "They're spraying it from the air and ... it's not supposed to be on shore." In the complaint, the plaintiffs allege that BP has used Corexit "to lessen the public reaction to the oil spill by forcing the oil to the bottom of the Gulf ... and to hide the massive amounts of oil at the bottom of the Gulf." The lawsuit also names Nalco Co., which manufactures Corexit 9500. The suit, which seeks class action status, is asking for compensatory and punitive damages for bodily injury, emotional distress and property damage as well as "all appropriate medical monitoring relief." The personal injury suit comes one month after a group of Louisiana oystermen filed a federal class action against BP and Nalco claiming that Corexit 9500 "is four times more toxic than the oil itself." In that lawsuit, Parker v. Nalco Co., the plaintiffs do not allege personal injuries. According to both suits, Corexit 9500 has been illegal in the United Kingdom since 1998, when it was found to be harmful to the food chain.BP declined comment on the suit, but a BP spokesman noted the company has not used any dispersant since the oil well was capped on July 15. Nalco officials were unavailable for comment, but the company defends the use of Corexit on its website: "COREXIT 9500, the only dispersant Nalco is manufacturing to help break up the oil spilling into the Gulf of Mexico, is a simple blend of six well-established, safe ingredients that biodegrade, do not bioaccumulate and are commonly found in popular household products. The COREXIT products do not contain carcinogens or reproductive toxins. All the ingredients have been extensively studied for many years and have been determined safe and effective by the EPA." In May, however, the EPA urged BP to stop using Corexit 9500 because of its toxicity. |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Aug 2nd, 2010 at 4:26pm
Pamela Anderson, PETA, rescue orphaned Gulf dogs
August 2, 4:06 Popular television personality and animal rights activist Pamela Anderson gets a kiss today in NOLA. Today, the media was present when the ever-ebullient former Dancing with the Stars contestant and notorious animal rights activist Pamela Anderson was in New Orleans. Anderson, PETA's honorary director, paid all the expenses to have some dogs relocated to Virginia. The transportation of the pooches is reminiscent of what occurred after Katrina, but on a smaller scale. Sadly, with so much devastation in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina hit nearly five years ago, thousands of domestic animals were abandoned and or orphaned. But today was for celebrating because Anderson was in NOLA to support PETA as it transports the dogs -- ]most of which are homeless due to their former masters' post-BP-oil-spill impoverishment -- from overcrowded conditions there to safer havens in Virginia. A notorious softie, Anderson said she'd adopt two of the dogs on the spot and name them Gina Lollobrigida and Bardot! The rest of the dogs-almost 50 adult dogs and puppies-are en route to PETA headquarters for adoption. No word yet on whether the actress will have a similar fondness for the local wildlife - dolphins, sea turtles and the like! http://www.examiner.com/x-60149-Oil-Spill-Wildlife-Examiner~y2010m8d2-Pamela-Anderson-PETA-rescue-abandoned-Gulf-dogs |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Pdog on Aug 2nd, 2010 at 5:55pm gimmekeef wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:25am:
the same reason drug laws don't stop people from buying and using drugs... Bush was correect, when he said we have an addiction to oil. This spill is proof positive for me, people don't give a fuck, and ev en this didn't scare us straight... SAD! |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Edith Grove on Aug 4th, 2010 at 11:04am
New Report Says New Orleans Is Ready For a Transformation
Written by WGNO ABC26 News New Orleans is on a path to transformation. That's according to a new report slated to be released Wednesday morning by Mayor Mitch Landrieu. The report, called the New Orleans Index at Five, says after Katrina, we are poised to rebuild a city that is safer, more sustainable and more resilient than ever before. The nearly 200 page document has been compiled by the Brookings Institute and The Greater New Orleans Community Data Center. One of the things that will help our city succeed....the new master plan, which the report says promotes economic opportunity and shows us ways to "live with water." It also praises the sweeping changes being made to the criminal justice system. But it wasn't all good news. The report does point out that many troubling trends were made worse after Katrina....the educated workforce has shrunk and we have more poor people living in the suburbs than ever before. But bottom line, local leaders have plans in place to shape up New Orleans and make it a better community than what it was before 2005. The report also notes that this area has had three major "shocks" in five years....Katrina, the recession and now the oil spill and while it would be hard for any community to recover, New Orleanians are incredibly resilient. http://www.neworleans.com/news/local-news/447946.html |
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by Some Guy on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:04pm
I just heard another oil rig has exploded off the coast of Louisiana today.
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Title: Re: OT - Gulf Coast Disaster Post by sweetcharmedlife on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:26pm Some Guy wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:04pm:
Drill baby drill. |
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