This is my first ever post and it regards leftovers. With all the recent excitement over the new Exile songs, another album that fans have talked about forgetting the same treatment is Some Girls. We know that the Stones recorded many songs in the sessions for the album, but what do you think would be the ultimate track list for such an album?

Cool- I'm looking forward to Emotional Rescue getting the Deluxe Treatment. Where do you stand on this?

Good to see you here.

Its my understanding that if things go well with the Exile reissue, that future projects are also being considered - the two I've heard mentioned being Goats Head Soup and Some Girls.

There are about 40-50 'leftovers' from the SG sessions that we know of, available in varying states of completion.

In some ways, whilst its their best album (IMO), Exile is actually one of the Stones albums LEAST suited for an expanded reissue for the simple reason that being a double, they ended up throwing pretty much all the finished songs they had onto it, and also the chaotic way it was recorded meant that most of the songs werent finished until they went to LA and did overdubs, by which time they'd probably decided which songs were being shortlisted.

With 'Some Girls' however, there were probably a lot more unreleased songs which were completed or close enough for them to be releasable without the need for new overdubs.

Personally, I've always liked the idea of a CD length release featuring the full-length versions of the 10 songs on the album (plus 'Everything is turning to gold') as most of them were edited down to fit the length of an LP.

As for outtakes - 'Do You Think I Really Care' is the most obvious one. A lot of whats releasable depends on how finished some of the songs were - whats been circulated may not necessarily be the most finished take available. I know stuff like 'No Spare Parts' and 'You win again' are liked by many people, but the voc als on them make the versions we have absolutely unreleasable even on an archives project. 'Fiji Jim' would probably be a contender for release (apparently a new vocal was done for it in LA in '94 for release as a B-side as was the case for 'So Young'). One I would REALLY love to hear a finished take of is 'It's a Lie'. It just sounds like a loose unfinished jam, and the bootlegged copy isnt great quality but the groove is fantastic and Sugar Blue's harp playing (as is the case on quite a few other SG outtakes) is phenomenal.

Gazza wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 7:26am:

Good to see you here. Its my understanding that if things go well with the Exile reissue, that future projects are also being considered - the two I've heard mentioned being Goats Head Soup and Some Girls. There are about 40-50 'leftovers' from the SG sessions that we know of, available in varying states of completion. In some ways, whilst its their best album (IMO), Exile is actually one of the Stones albums LEAST suited for an expanded reissue for the simple reason that being a double, they ended up throwing pretty much all the finished songs they had onto it, and also the chaotic way it was recorded meant that most of the songs werent finished until they went to LA and did overdubs, by which time they'd probably decided which songs were being shortlisted. With 'Some Girls' however, there were probably a lot more unreleased songs which were completed or close enough for them to be releasable without the need for new overdubs. Personally, I've always liked the idea of a CD length release featuring the full-length versions of the 10 songs on the album (plus 'Everything is turning to gold') as most of them were edited down to fit the length of an LP. As for outtakes - 'Do You Think I Really Care' is the most obvious one. A lot of whats releasable depends on how finished some of the songs were - whats been circulated may not necessarily be the most finished take available. I know stuff like 'No Spare Parts' and 'You win again' are liked by many people, but the voc als on them make the versions we have absolutely unreleasable even on an archives project. 'Fiji Jim' would probably be a contender for release (apparently a new vocal was done for it in LA in '94 for release as a B-side as was the case for 'So Young'). One I would REALLY love to hear a finished take of is 'It's a Lie'. It just sounds like a loose unfinished jam, and the bootlegged copy isnt great quality but the groove is fantastic and Sugar Blue's harp playing (as is the case on quite a few other SG outtakes) is phenomenal.

considering all that was recorded, and all we knew about Exile, and thus being surprised but what is coming that wasn't bootlegged... I can only imagine, what we haven't heard from Some Girls sessions... i agree with your wish list too... and definitely would love to hear all the extened versions... all these songs are meant to jam forever... i'm joing the some girls deluxe fan edition fan club and have already got pre-tingles, which Cohl is exploiting as we speak.

DIRTY WORK DELUXE!!!

Dirty Work Deluxe would remove Back To Zero and Don't Hold Back and replace them with two Barry Manilow tunes.

:wow

nankerphelge wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 9:19am:

Dirty Work Deluxe would remove Back To Zero and Don't Hold Back and replace them with two Barry Manilow tunes.

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Tattoo You Deluxe for me

buddhabone wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 9:29am:

Tattoo You Deluxe for me

wasnt it originally released like that...left overs?

I think with all the reworking on the Exile tracks they maybe should have released stand alone albums of different periods with new vocals,guitars, whatever :

"The VAULTS SERIES" ?
VOL.1 1970 - 1976 2CD
VOL.2 1977- 1986 2CD
VOL.3 1986- 2005 2CD

WOULD IT WORK?

straycatuk wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 10:03am:

I think with all the reworking on the Exile tracks they maybe should have released stand alone albums of different periods with new vocals,guitars, whatever : "The VAULTS SERIES" ? VOL.1 1970 - 1976 2CD VOL.2 1977- 1986 2CD VOL.3 1986- 2005 2CD WOULD IT WORK?

I think they could do a series of 2-CD sets quite easily, WITHOUT the need for overdubs. I also dont think they'd want to do overdubs for a series of future projects. Mick has already basically stated that its a one off. They should appoint an archivist (or team) to do the dirty work for them a la Jeff Rosen (Dylan), Joel Bernstein (Young),  or Dick Latvala/David Lemieux (Grateful Dead).

Vol. 1 - 1961 - 1968  - Little Boy & The Blue Boys (hard to listen to but essential in tracing the band's evolution) through to 'Beggars Banquet' and the end of the Brian Jones era. Historically a hugely important era and a lot of material was recorded then, but the songs were a lot shorter and should fit onto two Cds.

Vol. 2 - 1969 - 1974 - Let It Bleed through to IORR (effectively the era featuring Taylor). Covers five albums.

Vol. 3 - 1975 - 1983  - Black and Blue through to Undercover - again covering five albums.

Vol. 4 - 1985 - to date - Dirty Work to A Bigger Bang - 5 albums, plus the studio material recorded for 'Stripped' and '40 Licks'.

Might sound like two Cds covering the less culturally and musically significant era with Woody is a lot, but his time in the band is twice as long as the Brian and Mick Taylor eras combined, although the band have been far less prolific in the second half of their career (a period which has only produced FOUR studio albums)

A fifth 2-CD volume could cover the BBC radio sessions from 1963-65, several songs of which have never been bootlegged.

Release one volume a year as well as occasional live shows/compilations from the archives in between, and this should keep people satisfied for many years.

Has to be done soon though, while they have enough fans left who still GIVE a fuck. Their fanbase isnt getting younger and isnt being replenished.

They priced themselves out of reach for any new young fans. Do they care ? They don't give a fuck IMHO.

That's why they will never drop the warhor....................................................NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I've started a rant MUST STOP .

SC UK

The Some Girls outtakes are amazing!
I've always thought that SG was Mick's baby and he was just on fire during those sessions, song after song after song, most of which never released.
After Exile, SG is it for me.

texile wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 2:12pm:

The Some Girls outtakes are amazing! I've always thought that SG was Mick's baby and he was just on fire during those sessions

It is and he was. Mick wrote pretty much all the lyrics and a lot of the music for that album. Before They Make Me Run was Keith's, obviously and he wrote part of Beast of Burden, but its probably the most 'Mick-dominant' Stones album ever. Apart maybe from Bigger Bang.

Gazza wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 2:32pm:

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It is and he was. Mick wrote pretty much all the lyrics and a lot of the music for that album. Before They Make Me Run was Keith's, obviously and he wrote part of Beast of Burden, but its probably the most 'Mick-dominant' Stones album ever. Apart maybe from Bigger Bang. [/quote]


I don't think Jagger gets enough credit for this though...
Even ronnie has said that the album's "punky" vibe came from Jagger's rather sloppy and raucous guitar playing....
The SG-era sound, like Exile's, is something they never achieved again. It's all so spontaneous and urgent and nasty.

They should appoint an archivist (or team) to do the dirty work for them a la Jeff Rosen (Dylan), Joel Bernstein (Young),  or Dick Latvala/David Lemieux (Grateful Dead).



I volunteer.  They can utilize my expertise free of charge.

eric wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 5:45pm:

They should appoint an archivist (or team) to do the dirty work for them a la Jeff Rosen (Dylan), Joel Bernstein (Young),  or Dick Latvala/David Lemieux (Grateful Dead). I volunteer.  They can utilize my expertise free of charge.

they'd work you ike a pack mule, you'd soon regret doing it for free... but god, i do hope they do it...

An extended SF is what i want.

corgi37 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 5:03am:

An extended SF is what i want.

The only thing is, any Sticky Fingers outtakes would be considered as being from the Exile era and would therefore be released on the Exile duluxe. Are there many well known outakes from the Sticky Fingers recordings?

some girls and exile, thats a fucking tour in it self.

TomL wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 4:04pm:

some girls and exile, thats a fucking tour in it self.

tommy didnt you reshoot the some girls cover?

Why did they record so many tracks for Some Girls?

Was it Paris?

Are they worthy of release?

buddhabone wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 7:54pm:

Why did they record so many tracks for Some Girls? Was it Paris? Are they worthy of release?

That's hard to answer for me because alot of the stuff that didn't make it was, IMO, incredible.
But lots of Jagger singing over chords, shouting chord progressions etc...
But I'd say at least a album's worth of material could be culled, maybe cleaned up a bit, but not too much. As in Exile, the sound is distinctive to that one album and it was that messiness that made SG just scream.
There are a shitload of boots of outtakes and Gazza would be a better source for which ones are the most complete, but some of that stuff, like I said, is phenomenal. Jagger at his second best after Exile.
Maybe best ever because SG was primarily Jagger's baby.
Jagger was getting divorced and doing coke so you can imagine the frenetic pace of these sessions....that's my gues as to why so many. Turmoil will do that to you.

buddhabone wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 7:54pm:

Why did they record so many tracks for Some Girls? Are they worthy of release?

Keith was facing serious jail time for his Toronto bust.

And yes, many of the songs are worthy of release.
Check out the 5 disc 'Girls, Pills & Powders'...

left shoe shuffle wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 8:49pm:

buddhabone wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 7:54pm: Why did they record so many tracks for Some Girls? Are they worthy of release? Keith was facing serious jail time for his Toronto bust. And yes, many of the songs are worthy of release. Check out the 5 disc 'Girls, Pills & Powders'...

Yeah, the Stones were under the gun in so many ways....the punks were making the Stones look outdated and the times were changing.....
Another thing about a reissue, ala Exile is that while SG is seminal, it doesn't have the mythic status of Exile.......and as for a revisitation, going back and reliving it etc..., this seems to have been an unpleasant time for both Mick and Keith.

texile wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 9:10pm:

Yeah, the Stones were under the gun in so many ways....

They had to have thought Keef was going away.

After the tour they went right back into the studio and cranked out more tunes...

left shoe shuffle wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 9:15pm:

texile wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 9:10pm: Yeah, the Stones were under the gun in so many ways.... They had to have thought Keef was going away. After the tour they went right back into the studio and cranked out even more tunes...

Its hard to imagine now, but the threat to Keith's liberty was very real then. The fate of the Stones was truly dire....Jagger was under some serious pressure to hold it together and he did because SG was one of greatest Stones' resurgence ever. They simultaneously shut the the punks up with relevant, gritty and nasty rock and roll and out-discoed disco ....what other band could have done that with so much self-assurance?

On the 78 tour they are playing with an incredible urgency that hasn't been matched since.

I love 4 disc set Handsome Girls.

I'll have to check out the outtakes .

Jagger seemed to be bleeding on stage, his vocals spitting out lyrics, wimpering, yelling all in tune..Keith playing like his life depended on it.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wosg9WLmVg&feature=related

Tumbled wrote on Apr 25^th, 2010 at 8:08pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wosg9WLmVg&feature=related

That was from 1981.