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Message started by Throwaway on Feb 21st, 2010 at 6:10pm

Title: Grateful Dead
Post by Throwaway on Feb 21st, 2010 at 6:10pm
As a fan of the wonderful Jackie Greene, I have heard a few of the Dead's covers in his sets.  I've liked most of what I've heard, but this is my first real exposure to the group's material (other than maybe "Truckin").  I really like "Scarlet Begonias," "US Blues," "Sugaree," and "Peggy-O."  If there are any Deadheads out there, can you point me to some albums/songs with similar vibes as these tunes?  TIA!  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_24IV0Hv47M&feature=related

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by lotsajizz on Feb 21st, 2010 at 6:29pm
there not the best at what they do--they're the only ones that do what they do...Bill Graham, commenting on the Grateful Dead......live is where it's at....check out archives.org's selection and go for there.....key shows for starters 8/27/72, 5/8/77, 3/24/90, 3/1/69, 2/13 & 14/70, 11/1/85, 10/16/89, so many more.....

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Paranoid Android on Feb 21st, 2010 at 7:00pm
for commercial release..One From The Vaults...at the great American Music hall is AMAZING...as is Without a Net from 1989/1990...and the Cornell 1977...even the parts that Donna Jean destroys are fantastic.

As for Studio stuff...leave it alone...they were a live band w/ label obligations...

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by MrPleasant on Feb 21st, 2010 at 7:14pm
I actually like some of their studio shit. I even enjoy some tracks from Shakedown Street.  :whydontcha

I also like to masturbate.

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Throwaway on Feb 21st, 2010 at 7:51pm
Sweet.  Downloading 5/8/77 right now.  Any specific live tracks that were killers?  As in, the "Midnight Rambler" or "Happy" or "Respectable" of the Dead?

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:06pm
You can also download Jackie's 3 song EP of Dead covers for free at his site. http://jackiegreene.com/grateful_ep/index.html

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Wild Bill on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:30pm

Throwaway wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 6:10pm:
As a fan of the wonderful Jackie Greene, I have heard a few of the Dead's covers in his sets.  I've liked most of what I've heard, but this is my first real exposure to the group's material (other than maybe "Truckin").  I really like "Scarlet Begonias," "US Blues," "Sugaree," and "Peggy-O."  If there are any Deadheads out there, can you point me to some albums/songs with similar vibes as these tunes?  TIA!  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_24IV0Hv47M&feature=related

Does this mean you're a very young person?

I saw my fist Grateful Dead show 37 years ago:

http://www.dead.net/show/february-26-1973

"Tia" Quien?


Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Throwaway on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:40pm

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 10:06pm:
You can also download Jackie's 3 song EP of Dead covers for free at his site. http://jackiegreene.com/grateful_ep/index.html



Yep, it's pretty cool hearing his studio renditions of these songs, which are actually a bit different than how he does them live.  

My first ever concert was seeing the Winos when I was 5, so I'm a bit young to have seen the Dead, only really been exposed to them through artists covering them (RA+ The Cardinals, Jackie).

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by lotsajizz on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:28am

Throwaway wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 7:51pm:
Sweet.  Downloading 5/8/77 right now.  Any specific live tracks that were killers?  As in, the "Midnight Rambler" or "Happy" or "Respectable" of the Dead?



the Scarlet>Fire is to die for!  the Saint Stepehn--GDTRFB--Not Fade Away jame is awesome also!  You WILL enjoy!

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Zack on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:29am
Don't disregard the studio stuff.   Workingman's Dead, American Beauty, From the Mars Hotel, and Blues for Allah are all worth having.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by gimmekeef on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:34am
The double cd set live Europe 72 is great. Some of my fave Dead tracks live are same as yours. You might try these too:
Bertha
Deal
Althea
Playin in the Band
They Love Each Other

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Throwaway on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 9:46am
Studio stuff isn't bad, so far.  Obviously, I like the live stuff more; some jams have grown on me, while others I like from the first listen.  Downloading Europe 72 ATM.  Looking forward to their covers of songs like "You Win Again" and "It Hurts Me Too."

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Riffhard on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 9:52am

lotsajizz wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 6:29pm:
there not the best at what they do--they're the only ones that do what they do...Bill Graham, commenting on the Grateful Dead......live is where it's at....check out archives.org's selection and go for there.....key shows for starters 8/27/72, 5/8/77, 3/24/90, 3/1/69, 2/13 & 14/70, 11/1/85, 10/16/89, so many more.....



Love the Dead! Well, I should preface that. I used to love the Dead, but once Jerry died I lost interest in the crapolla that has followed. I went to the first Further Fest as Liberty State Park. Watching them perform in the shadow of Lady Liberty was great, but all I could think about was how much better it would have been had Jerry been there. Plus the scene changed so much after 1987 with the release of In The Dark, and the single Touch Of Grey that I started to get a little weary of the patcholli reeking "new" Dead Heads looking for "a miracle". Not to mention that my 1967 pop top VW mirco bus was broken into at a Chaple Hill, NC. show, and I was robbed of a Samsonite suitcase with about 400 soundboard tapes, and about 75 tie dye shirts that I was selling to cover the cost of that particular jaunt of the tour. Kinda left me with a bad taste in my mouth for all these new acolytes to the band.


Jizzy, is that '77 show you mention the Cornell show? I seem to remember that date. Anyway, if that's the show I think than that is the best Scarlett/Fire that I have ever heard! The whole show is stunning, as were so many of those 77 shows.


I saw the Dead over 100 times, and wish that they still brought me the kind of excitment they did all those years ago. I still listen to them on ocassion, but I have no desire to be a part of the scene anymore. As Holden Caulfield would say, they're all phonies.



Riffy

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by mojoman on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 10:11am
love the 68 releases 2/14/68 road trips and the dicks picks 2/23/24/68 sheer psych firepower
overall the 72-74 era is my favorite.....

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Paranoid Android on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 10:46am

Zack wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:29am:
Don't disregard the studio stuff.   Workingman's Dead, American Beauty, From the Mars Hotel, and Blues for Allah are all worth having.

I retract what i said...thinking back...Blues, Workingman and American Beauty were fantastic......thanks for reminding me...the 3 nites in Miami in spring 1994 were amazing...i was at thse shows and the first two nites brought tears to my eyes at times...

btw...The Last Time has /was a staple in the Dead set list for a long time...just trying to remain RS related...I believe they played it in Tampa just before the miami Shows...w/ the Black Crowes opening

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by lotsajizz on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 10:49am
yes riffy, 5/8/77 is the Cornell show....65 and sunny when the crowd entered....8 inches of snow on the ground when it ended!

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Riffhard on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:01am

lotsajizz wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 10:49am:
yes riffy, 5/8/77 is the Cornell show....65 and sunny when the crowd entered....8 inches of snow on the ground when it ended!



Wow! I didn't know the weather details. Crazy. That tape is an absolute must have though. I never really made any of the West Coast shows. The furthest west I ever traveled for the band was Red Rocks in Co. Great shows there, and man what a cool venue.

Oh, and Paranoid Android, I was at those Miami shows as well. They were great! I think it was night 2 when Jerry laid down a brilliant Standing On The Moon. I was also at the Orlando show that year. Quite a riot outside of the venue that night. We left the show with clouds of tear gas in the air! Kinda sucked really. Not to mention that Bill's father had passed away that week, so the first show was canceled.



Riffy

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Paranoid Android on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 4:32pm

Riffhard wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 11:01am:

lotsajizz wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 10:49am:
yes riffy, 5/8/77 is the Cornell show....65 and sunny when the crowd entered....8 inches of snow on the ground when it ended!



Wow! I didn't know the weather details. Crazy. That tape is an absolute must have though. I never really made any of the West Coast shows. The furthest west I ever traveled for the band was Red Rocks in Co. Great shows there, and man what a cool venue.

Oh, and Paranoid Android, I was at those Miami shows as well. They were great! I think it was night 2 when Jerry laid down a brilliant Standing On The Moon. I was also at the Orlando show that year. Quite a riot outside of the venue that night. We left the show with clouds of tear gas in the air! Kinda sucked really. Not to mention that Bill's father had passed away that week, so the first show was canceled.



Riffy


Don't get me started...that Standing on the Moon iss where I lost it !!! It was actually the first nite...the 2nd nite had the just as beautiful Stella Blue...
I also thought the weather at Cornell was a myth...but who knows.
I totally forgot about the riots at Orlando...I was not there.but recall hearing the stories...

The Drums of that Miami show were amazing as well...they did the whole surround sound thing and the Mothership Blasting off (ok...maybe the acid was really , really good) was the best!!!


Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by platter on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 5:10pm
come to new paltz in about 1 months time throwaway and you will see jerry and jim and bob walking up and down main street.

owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

:wtf1

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Bitch on Feb 25th, 2010 at 7:54pm
I got a ticket for FURTHER this weekend in AC, a 'comp' ticket at the Taj Mahal and REALLY looking forward to it! It's been completely sold out for months! They ALWAYS sell their tickets at very reasonable prices, usually under $50, even at The Beacon.  That band is considerate of their fan's wallets, unlike OUR band who rips us off with outrageous ticket prices. I'm sure Further can get more money, but they dont want to beat up the fans. I appreciate that!

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 25th, 2010 at 8:07pm

I saw Furthur in December.

Loved seeing Phil and Bobby, but had a hard time wrapping my head around  the "Jerry" guy from Dark Star Orchestra.
He sounded and played a bit too much like the real Jerry.  

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by mojoman on Feb 26th, 2010 at 10:48am
a full show from 71 is gonna be the next road trip :booze

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 26th, 2010 at 11:16am


Austin TX, 11/15/71
Bonus disc is from TCU in Ft. Worth the night before.  


Furthur announced Summer Tour dates today:

6.25 Highland Bowl Amphitheater Rochester, NY
6.26 MCU Park Brooklyn, NY
6.27 MCU Park Brooklyn, NY
6.29 Penn's Peak Jim Thorpe, PA
6.30 LeLacheur Park Lowell, MA
7.03 Gelston Castle Estate Herkimer, NY
7.04 Nateva Music & Arts Festival Oxford, ME
7.05 The Green @ Shelburne Museum Shelburne, VT
7.08 ArtPark Buffalo, NY
7.09 Allgood Music Festival Masontown, WV
7.10 Mann Center for the Performing Arts Philadelphia, PA
     
www.furthur.net

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by mojoman on Feb 26th, 2010 at 11:26am

left shoe shuffle wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 11:16am:

Austin TX, 11/15/71
Bonus disc is from TCU in Ft. Worth the night before.  


Furthur announced Summer Tour dates today:

6.25 Highland Bowl Amphitheater Rochester, NY
6.26 MCU Park Brooklyn, NY
6.27 MCU Park Brooklyn, NY
6.29 Penn's Peak Jim Thorpe, PA
6.30 LeLacheur Park Lowell, MA
7.03 Gelston Castle Estate Herkimer, NY
7.04 Nateva Music & Arts Festival Oxford, ME
7.05 The Green @ Shelburne Museum Shelburne, VT
7.08 ArtPark Buffalo, NY
7.09 Allgood Music Festival Masontown, WV
7.10 Mann Center for the Performing Arts Philadelphia, PA
     
www.furthur.net


f'in Mann center- most beautiful venue in Philly!!! Awesome!!! you gonna make it Lefty?

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 26th, 2010 at 11:33am

If I go anywhere, it'll be Penn's Peak.
Love that place!

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by mojoman on Feb 26th, 2010 at 11:48am

left shoe shuffle wrote on Feb 26th, 2010 at 11:33am:
If I go anywhere, it'll be Penn's Peak.
Love that place!



peekin at the peak!!!

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Bitch on Feb 26th, 2010 at 9:14pm
I've never been to Penn's Peak! That sounds cool, is it in the Poconos?

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 26th, 2010 at 10:27pm

Yep.  On top of a hill in Jim Thorpe.

Beautiful room, great sound, 1600 capacity.

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by GotToRollMe on Feb 26th, 2010 at 11:13pm

Zack wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 7:29am:
Don't disregard the studio stuff.   Workingman's Dead, American Beauty, From the Mars Hotel, and Blues for Allah are all worth having.


Absolutely. This is a great place to start:



And "Garcia" by the Jerry Garcia Band is great stuff too:



Have fun...these boys have a LOT of music floating around.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Zack on Feb 27th, 2010 at 12:58am
Too true, GTRM.  American Beauty is one of my favorite albums ever, by any group.  Not less than stellar song anywhere to be found, even Pigpen's.

Glad you pointed out "Garcia," which is a true lost classic.  Despite the fact that more than half the album became staples of the Dead's set, the other half is so darn weird an experimental, a lot of great stuff got lost especially The Wheel at the end.  I have to correct you though (being a pedantic poophead) by saying that the JGB wasn't formed yet, and on the contrary, Jerry played every instrument himself on the album, even piano which he had little previous experience, except for bringing in Billy the K on drums.  

I'd also like to point out Weir's Ace, which WAS mostly a Dead album in disguise, from the next year.  Again, a half dozen keepers in the midst, including a version of Playing in the Band that is thought by many the group's best-ever effort at achieving "Dead-ness" in the studio.

:keithpunky
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Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Paranoid Android on Feb 27th, 2010 at 1:00am
JGB is whole different story...I always was a bigger fan of garcia Band than the Dead...ever since they played at school...I have NEVER been disappointed when seeing the Jerry Garcia Band...his B'Way stint was magical!!!

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by GotToRollMe on Feb 27th, 2010 at 1:29pm

Zack wrote on Feb 27th, 2010 at 12:58am:
Too true, GTRM.  American Beauty is one of my favorite albums ever, by any group.  Not less than stellar song anywhere to be found, even Pigpen's.

Glad you pointed out "Garcia," which is a true lost classic.  Despite the fact that more than half the album became staples of the Dead's set, the other half is so darn weird an experimental, a lot of great stuff got lost especially The Wheel at the end.  I have to correct you though (being a pedantic poophead) by saying that the JGB wasn't formed yet, and on the contrary, Jerry played every instrument himself on the album, even piano which he had little previous experience, except for bringing in Billy the K on drums.  

I'd also like to point out Weir's Ace, which WAS mostly a Dead album in disguise, from the next year.  Again, a half dozen keepers in the midst, including a version of Playing in the Band that is thought by many the group's best-ever effort at achieving "Dead-ness" in the studio.

:keithpunky


Thanks for the info, Zack. I'd also recommend Robert Hunter's "Tiger Rose."  The song "Rose of Sharon" has always been a favorite of mine. It's downright beautiful. As you no doubt know, Robert Hunter was an early member of the Dead and wrote some of their most well-known songs. Jerry Garcia, as well as other band members, play on this album.



And I can't forget a personal favorite, "Old And In The Way," one of Garcia's projects with David Grisman and other notable musicians. I'd highly recommend this as well.  



Throwaway, you have your work cut out for you, that's for sure!

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 27th, 2010 at 1:39pm

Robert Hunter was the Dead's lyricist until the end.

He was inducted into the RRHOF as a band member - the only non-performer to be awarded that honor.

 

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by StPeteStone on Feb 27th, 2010 at 1:50pm
I also love this one.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by GotToRollMe on Feb 27th, 2010 at 2:03pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Feb 27th, 2010 at 1:39pm:
Robert Hunter was the Dead's lyricist until the end.

He was inducted into the RRHOF as a band member - the only non-performer to be awarded that honor.

 


I had no idea, Lefty. I'm very pleased to hear that.


Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 27th, 2010 at 2:11pm

This is a great album:


Wolfgang's Vault has a coupla Nicky Hopkins-era JGB shows:
12.19.75
12.20.75  

The 12.20 show includes a cover of 'Let's Spend The Night Together'...  

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by Zack on Feb 28th, 2010 at 7:48am
And this!  Kind of like classic Cream on valium.  First bit - long jam - end bit.   Wonderful laid back, jazzy vibe and eclectic song choice.  Covers range from Dylan, Los Lobos, Peter Tosh, Beatles, and perhaps the high point, Bruce Cockburn's Waiting for a Miracle.  I saw Cockburn as an opening act for someone in the 90s, and when he introduced the song, it was clear that Jerry putting that tune on his album was the greatest honor anyone had ever bestowed on him.  (Probably made him a few bucks, too!)
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Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by GotToRollMe on Feb 28th, 2010 at 12:49pm

Here's one for ya. Imagine being stuck on a ferry boat circling Manhattan for hours with the Grateful Dead, Bo Diddley - and the Hell's Angels for security. And Jerry Garcia walking around in a clown suit. I must have thought I was indestructible back then.




Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by left shoe shuffle on Feb 28th, 2010 at 1:05pm

GTRM -
Didja ever see 'Hells Angels Forever'?

It's got performance clips from the Pirates Ball...

Title: Re: Grateful Dead
Post by GotToRollMe on Feb 28th, 2010 at 10:24pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Feb 28th, 2010 at 1:05pm:
GTRM -
Didja ever see 'Hells Angels Forever'?

It's got performance clips from the Pirates Ball...


Holy shit, now THIS I gotta see! I'd love to see the performance clips, considering the memories I have of events I witnessed on that little excursion aren't even fit to repeat here. God, was I a ballsy little fucker back then...


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