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Message started by left shoe shuffle on Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:30am

Title: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by left shoe shuffle on Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:30am

Congratulations to the 2010 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees!

Today, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation announced ABBA, Genesis, Jimmy Cliff, The Hollies and The Stooges as its 2010 artist inductees. Also being inducted this year as individual recipients of the Ahmet Ertegun Award will be David Geffen and songwriters Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil, Elle Greenwich, Jeff Barry, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman and Otis Blackwell. The ceremony will take place on March 15, 2010 at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City and will air live on Fuse, Madison Square Garden’s national music television network, as part of the three-year broadcast deal between the Foundation and Fuse.

“We are very happy to present this year’s inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as they represent a great cross-section of artists that define the broad spectrum and history of rock and roll and people that have contributed immeasurably to our business” says Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation President & CEO Joel Peresman.

The performer inductees are:
ABBA
GENESIS
JIMMY CLIFF
THE HOLLIES
THE STOOGES

Ahmet Ertegun Award (nonperformers):
DAVID GEFFEN
BARRY MANN & CYNTHIA WEIL
ELLIE GREENWICH & JEFF BARRY
JESSE STONE
MORT SHUMAN
OTIS BLACKWELL

The 2010 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame performer inductees were chosen by over 500 voters of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. Artists are eligible for inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twenty-five years after their first recording is released.

All inductees are ultimately represented in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio. Through approaches as creative and diverse as the music itself, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum tells the story of rock music with its exhibits, education programs and Library and Archives, which will open to the public in downtown Cleveland in late 2010.

Presenters and performers at the induction will be announced at a later date. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will be televised live on Fuse; more information can be found at fuse.tv.

www.rockhall.com/induction2010

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Edith Grove on Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:34am
Glad to see The Stooges in there. Just wish Ron Asheton had lived long enough to see this.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Joey on Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:47am
" The performer inductees are:
ABBA
GENESIS
JIMMY CLIFF
THE HOLLIES
THE STOOGES

Ahmet Ertegun Award (nonperformers):
DAVID GEFFEN
BARRY MANN & CYNTHIA WEIL
ELLIE GREENWICH & JEFF BARRY
JESSE STONE
MORT SHUMAN
OTIS BLACKWELL  "



Cool Stuff !!!!!

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 15th, 2009 at 12:52pm
I'm glad The Stooges are in there too, I wish Alice Cooper was in there too, both bands started to get 'Known around the same time.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by texile on Dec 15th, 2009 at 1:12pm
I love me some Phil Collins baladeering, but Genesis?
must be the Peter Gabriel incarnation and i'm still slightly dumbfounded...

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Prodigal Son on Dec 15th, 2009 at 2:37pm

texile wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 1:12pm:
I love me some Phil Collins baladeering, but Genesis?
must be the Peter Gabriel incarnation and i'm still slightly dumbfounded...


It's the hall of fame, not the hall of great and that unfortunately means popular acts go in 90% of the time over critic's darlings. Tons of groups should be in there over Abba or Genesis but never will (where the fuck are the Replacements!? They've been eligible for 3 years now). Genesis would be quite the big list of inductees: 'ol pop hack Phil, Gabriel, Rutherford, Banks, Hackett and probably Anthony Phillips since he helped found the group. I doubt their first two drummers are part of the package though. Gabriel should be in as a solo artist but this will do I guess.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by SemiahmooDude on Dec 15th, 2009 at 2:39pm
Fuckin Hall of Fame is a complete farce.

A pile of Keith Richards' old teeth are more deserving than most the spackle on that list...

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by texile on Dec 15th, 2009 at 5:52pm

Prodigal Son wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 2:37pm:
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It's the hall of fame, not the hall of great and that unfortunately means popular acts go in 90% of the time over critic's darlings. Tons of groups should be in there over Abba or Genesis but never will (where the fuck are the Replacements!? They've been eligible for 3 years now). Genesis would be quite the big list of inductees: 'ol pop hack Phil, Gabriel, Rutherford, Banks, Hackett and probably Anthony Phillips since he helped found the group. I doubt their first two drummers are part of the package though. Gabriel should be in as a solo artist but this will do I guess.


True,
I don't mind popular, ABBA is fine for me because they have had an influence on artists...influence, that's the key
everything else is subjective....you can call Chic disco, but there is no doubt they influenced people too...
but when i think Genesis, i think hummable and that's not the same thing as influential, but that's just me....

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by left shoe shuffle on Dec 15th, 2009 at 6:18pm

Sure, Genesis became a mainstream pop act, thanks in large part to MTV.
But there's a whole 'nother side to them, one which I enjoy far more than their 80's output.

Gabriel-era albums like 'Foxtrot', 'Selling England By The Pound' and 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway'
are miles from the hit makers they later became.

And imo the first couple of post-Gabriel albums, 'A Trick Of The Tail' and 'Wind & Wuthering' are excellent, as is the live 'Seconds Out'.

 

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Factory Girl on Dec 15th, 2009 at 6:35pm

Edith Grove wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:34am:
Glad to see The Stooges in there. Just wish Ron Asheton had lived long enough to see this.


Amen, EG.  But, I'm still happy that their "world's forgotten" genius is finally recognized.    

I'm so damn happy, I just might crank Funhouse.   :willya

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Edith Grove on Dec 15th, 2009 at 6:55pm

Factory Girl wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 6:35pm:
I'm so damn happy, I just might crank Funhouse.


Here, let me do it for you!

Just put up yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHC62MVaBuQ

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Sioux on Dec 15th, 2009 at 7:16pm
Wish Laura Nyro had made it. Extremely talented AND influential. Sigh...

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Dec 15th, 2009 at 9:16pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 6:18pm:
Sure, Genesis became a mainstream pop act, thanks in large part to MTV.
But there's a whole 'nother side to them, one which I enjoy far more than their 80's output.

Gabriel-era albums like 'Foxtrot', 'Selling England By The Pound' and 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway'
are miles from the hit makers they later became.

And imo the first couple of post-Gabriel albums, 'A Trick Of The Tail' and 'Wind & Wuthering' are excellent, as is the live 'Seconds Out'.

 

A Trick of the Tail is a very good album. A far cry from the popster band they would become. Check some of this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue4WLwkE3oY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_uwG79As4A

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by gimmekeef on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:06am
The freakin 2 hit wonders Hollies? and no Cooper or Skynrd yet? (least dont think Skynrd are in)  and ABBA? Lock the hall doors before these goobers waltz in

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by left shoe shuffle on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:29pm

Skynyrd is in.

Don't know what Jann Wenner's beef with The Coop is...

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Jesus Christ on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:54pm

Edith Grove wrote on Dec 15th, 2009 at 11:34am:
Glad to see The Stooges in there. Just wish Ron Asheton had lived long enough to see this.


How many years in a row did they pass over the Stooges?
Answer: 15 - they've been eligible since 1994.

In the years since the Stooges have been eligible, the following
artists have gone in  ahead of them: Elton John, Rod Stewart,
Gladys Knight & the Pips, Jefferson Airplane, the Shirelles, the
Bee Gees, Joni Mitchell, Billy Joel, Del Shannon, the Staple Singers,
Earth Wind & Fire, the Lovin' Spoonful, the Moonglows, James Taylor,
the Flamingos, Brenda Lee, Talking Heads, the Righteous Brothers,
the Dells, the O'Jays, Grandmaster Flash & the Furious 5, the Ronettes,
Leonard Cohen, Little Anthony & the Imperials, Bobby Womack, and
now Abba and Genesis. Eric Clapton went in three times.

Now, I ask you - by WHAT definition of "Rock & Roll" do ANY of the
acts mentioned here deserve to outrank the Stooges? I even LIKE
most of those people, but come ON.



The fact that they waited until Ron Asheton was dead to do it
just adds injury to the insult. I wish Iggy would tell them to
stick it deep inside.





Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by left shoe shuffle on Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:08pm

Iggy Pop on His "Emotional Reaction" to the Stooges' Hall of Fame Induction

ANDY GREENE Posted Dec 15, 2009 5:55 AM


Photo: Michael Ochs Archive/Getty

What was your first reaction to the news that the Stooges will be inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2010?
Well, very surprised. I didn't think I'd ever see the inside of that neighborhood actually. Probably because the group had a very long outsider history, going back way back before there was ever a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It took us a lot longer to get some sort of general acceptance than probably most people.

You've been eligible for about 15 years or so.
We've been rejected seven times and we would have set a record I think if it happened again. We would have been the record holders I think. The first few times I'd always hear we got nominated about a month after it happened. Then the lag time started decreasing until it'd be the day after, all these people calling me to say "congratulations." It sort of became one of those things like Charlie Brown and the football. And it's always Lucy's idea. I'd run for the damn thing. But somebody every year was nominating us and then it was like, "OK, Stooges, come on, just run and kick the ball." Whoops.

After I got over my sort of "Really? — Yeah really!" I had about two hours of a strong emotional reaction. The same sort I started getting when our group reformed and we started going out and starting playing positive gigs for five, eight, ten thousand people. I don't know what sort of thoughts go into that — I don't know if it's vindication or what. But I went through a couple hours of that and then I kind of scratched my head and thought, "Am I still cool? Or is that over now?" And I'm only successful. But there is the whole angle. There are all these great, great musicians. Everyone I've looked up to was included in that. It's a game and then when all these greats are included and you're not, it sort of says "You're not ...whatever." And then when you are included it's like, "Hey! You're all right. You made something good. You made some good stuff." So I think all that is just very human.

How do you think Ron Asheton, who we lost earlier this year, would feel about it?

It would have meant a lot of him, the Hall of Fame. He waited longer for his success than I did. More than anyone in the group, he was a very stalwart Michigan boy. He was a regular guy and he enjoyed the extent to which some regular folks were getting to know him and his music. And I know his brother too, Scott. I think the last time we got ix-nayed they were telling me, "Oh, we don't give a shit. We don't care." But they do. And I do.

What was it like performing for Madonna two years ago at the induction ceremony?

That was a tough sell with the brothers. More Ron. Ron was like, "What?" I was like, "Listen man, look, if nothing else, 15 percent of the people who see that performance are going to think we got inducted." 'Cause they don't really follow music. Sure enough, on the plane on the way home, one of the stewardesses congratulated me. But mainly I thought it was a chance to play in case we didn't get in ourselves. It also occurred to me that it was a chance to show some of the people that do that thing that we don't have horns. We're not going to bite you.

It's strange to visualize you guys wearing tuxedos and being applauded by the entire industry.

Do they wear tuxedos?

Some people do.
I don't think that's going to happen. I've got one. I can probably drag it out. I've got these things. I'm at the time of life where people sort of kick my up by the collar and exhibit me on various occasions. And when they do they have to give me clothes and then I keep the clothes. So I have a very nice Dior tux.

www.rollingstone.com/news

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by mojoman on Dec 16th, 2009 at 3:46pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:29pm:
Skynyrd is in.

Don't know what Jann Wenner's beef with The Coop is...



politics?

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Factory Girl on Dec 16th, 2009 at 4:46pm
I'm listening To Iggy's Naughty Little Doggy.  

"I'm deeper than the shit I'm in, and I don't really give a damn..."  ( I WANNA LIVE by Iggy Pop/Whitey Kirst)


Btw, I love the Bee Gees...always have.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 16th, 2009 at 5:11pm

mojoman wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 3:46pm:

left shoe shuffle wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:29pm:
Skynyrd is in.

Don't know what Jann Wenner's beef with The Coop is...



politics?


Don't even know if there is a beef, Alice Cooper in their beginning, was in Rollin' Stone magazine & through out their fame, I'm talking about the group, not Vince Furnier, if he does get inducted, then the rest of the members who grew up & made that band happen should be there too, they all worked hard to make that group successful.
Another group from the late 60's/early 70's that never got inducted was Grand Funk, & at one time they were the biggest group around in Rock, in fact they broke the record that The Beatles had for selling out Shea Stadium in the early 70's, The MC5 never got inducted, I don't know if Bob Seger or Ted Nugent ever made it either, their all from Detroit, that was happening when The Stooges were starting out.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by left shoe shuffle on Dec 16th, 2009 at 5:24pm

Seger's in, The Nuge isn't.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Factory Girl on Dec 16th, 2009 at 5:28pm
Nugey is a HUGE NRA supporter.  Possible cause?  

Plus, "Cat Scratch Fever" was his only notable contribution.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Edith Grove on Dec 16th, 2009 at 6:37pm

Factory Girl wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 4:46pm:
I'm listening To Iggy's Naughty Little Doggy.  

"I'm deeper than the shit I'm in, and I don't really give a damn..."  ( I WANNA LIVE by Iggy Pop/Whitey Kirst)


See how many time Iggy sings "pussy" in this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BRmBKab0KE

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by SemiahmooDude on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:02pm
Nugent should be in there but he does not fit the left-leaning diversity-friendly to all except those who don't tow that line crowd that runs the RRHF.

Tens of millions of albums sold and one of the top touring acts for nearly a decade, with emphasis on crunchy guitar leads and high flying stage antics.

Double Live Gonzo alone sold several million copies.

And the Nugent sound is tough to replicate - very underrated guitarist.  The guy could flat out rip it.

...and I'm not a big Nugent fan - but give props where they are due.  The guy is a Hall of Famer...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRCw1lFF3PQ&feature=related

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Heart Of Stone on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:14pm

SemiahmooDude wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:02pm:
Nugent should be in there but he does not fit the left-leaning diversity-friendly to all except those who don't tow that line crowd that runs the RRHF.

Tens of millions of albums sold and one of the top touring acts for nearly a decade, with emphasis on crunchy guitar leads and high flying stage antics.

Double Live Gonzo alone sold several million copies.

And the Nugent sound is tough to replicate - very underrated guitarist.  The guy could flat out rip it.

...and I'm not a big Nugent fan - but give props where they are due.  The guy is a Hall of Famer...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRCw1lFF3PQ&feature=related


Plus he's been around since the psychedelic 60's when his group "The Amboy Dukes" had their hit "Journey To The Centre of your Mind" & "Baby, Please Don't Go" which had really great guitar, even if he added Hendrix's "Third Stone From The Sun" guitar parts.
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi8h9_KgFpc"

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2VNFpiGWo"

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by stonedinaustralia on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:31pm
If you think Nugent deserves it what about about Roky Erikson?

For me Nugent is fairly unimaginative lumpen - rock - record sales and guitar technique have nothing to do with it (imho) -

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by SemiahmooDude on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:12pm

stonedinaustralia wrote on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:31pm:
If you think Nugent deserves it what about about Roky Erikson?

For me Nugent is fairly unimaginative lumpen - rock - record sales and guitar technique have nothing to do with it (imho) -



I wouldn't argue that - and would tend to agree, but the absolute moronic inductions that HAVE gotten in over a figure like Nugent is a sign the entire process is fatally flawed.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Jumping Jack on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:21am
Iggy said last year if he got in he would have Coop induct him.  We'll see, Wenner would shit his pants, LOL!

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Teiz on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:29am
Stooges is the only obvious pick. Adding Abba is like the pope announcing the president of Iran is the catholic of the year: it's ridiculous. But the HOF is making a habit of being a silly place. Shame, for I loved the idea at first.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by stonedinaustralia on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:46am
i've never been keen on the idea - halls of fame are for sports people

rock and roll and museums are antithetical

and this is likely still the best response to the whole thing


Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Teiz on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:13am
Now I'm wondering: is that note a part of the HOF collection? For a band like Sex Pistols, it was the only thing they could do. As for your point of rock and museums don't match: I don't agree with it. There's some very cool museums that are totally rock n roll IMO. More importantly, I think it's kinda cool to have a good collection of rock memorabilia (did I spell that right?). Of course the true power is in the music. But still: it started out as a good idea, but unforunately it has been turned into a joke.

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by stonedinaustralia on Dec 17th, 2009 at 6:12am

Teiz wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:13am:
Now I'm wondering: is that note a part of the HOF collection? For a band like Sex Pistols, it was the only thing they could do. As for your point of rock and museums don't match: I don't agree with it. There's some very cool museums that are totally rock n roll IMO. More importantly, I think it's kinda cool to have a good collection of rock memorabilia (did I spell that right?). Of course the true power is in the music. But still: it started out as a good idea, but unforunately it has been turned into a joke.


ha ha, yes could be the note is in the collection - apparently Wenner read it out on the night so he likely had the original

i don't mind the memorabilia thing so much (tho it has it's limits ) - it's just that  something as subjective as the worth of music and musicians does not fit with orders of merit  based on Jann Wenner's point of view

i suppose you could, as with sports, rely on objective data - i.e. statistics - on that basis the hall of famest bands should be those who made the most money and sold the most records and concert tickets - this has possibilities, tho gathering credible evidence would be problematic  - awards for the most sex had and drugs talk (both quantity and variety) and the like...

and the award for the most suicides in one band goes to.. Badfinger!! (cue Baby Blue)

Title: Re: 2010 RRHOF Inductees (nsc)
Post by Edith Grove on Dec 17th, 2009 at 6:18am

Jumping Jack wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:21am:
Iggy said last year if he got in he would have Coop induct him.  We'll see, Wenner would shit his pants, LOL!


I will watch the inductions for the first time ever if this happens.

Do they even televise this live?

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